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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on August 16, 2017, 06:17:09 AM
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So last night on CNN they were running a banner across the bottom of the screen that said "Trump Sides with Neo Nazi's and White Supremacist".
Unreal.
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Prez interrupted during press conference/inquisition:
"I'm not finished, Fake News."
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So last night on CNN they were running a banner across the bottom of the screen that said "Trump Sides with Neo Nazi's and White Supremacist".
Unreal.
I think it's unfair to depict him that way, but when you don't take a side you get thrown to a side. His reluctant comments further enflamed the suspicion that he's one of the "Good Ole' Boys" by minimizing and even justifying the criminal actions and violence as an unspoken 'self-defense' isn't the Presidential thing to do. He should have left it at a statement of letting the FBI do their jobs and be done with it.
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I don't think it's unfair at all. The idiot brought it on himself. And then said he can see where there's fault on both sides. He's the worst thing to have ever happened to the Republican Party, ever.
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Ever.
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I don't think it's unfair at all. The idiot brought it on himself. And then said he can see where there's fault on both sides. He's the worst thing to have ever happened to the Republican Party, ever.
The white supremacist that ran his crowd into the crowd deserves anything and everything the justice system can throw at him. His actions were indefensible, cowardly and stupid.
But can you honestly say there was no fault on both sides?
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The white supremacist that ran his crowd into the crowd deserves anything and everything the justice system can throw at him. His actions were indefensible, cowardly and stupid.
But can you honestly say there was no fault on both sides?
It's clear you agree with Trump's statement to that effect. I viewed the event causally. What occurred that makes you believe that 'the other side' had some blame?
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I think it's unfair to depict him that way, but when you don't take a side you get thrown to a side.
What kind of convoluted bullshit thought process is that? "You don't take a side you get thrown to a side"? Do you even have a clue to the parties involved? Who says anyone has to take a side with the White Supremacist or ANTIFA? They are both on the same side and use essentially the same thought process.
His reluctant comments further enflamed the suspicion that he's one of the "Good Ole' Boys" by minimizing and even justifying the criminal actions and violence as an unspoken 'self-defense' isn't the Presidential thing to do. He should have left it at a statement of letting the FBI do their jobs and be done with it.
WTF? Reluctant comments?? He gave a comment on saturday that was well thought out. Again on Monday he expanded on his comments after he had factual data on hand.
You are just spouting liberal talking points and eating the bullshit the media is feeding you. Is obvious you don't even have a clue as to the events or parties involved.
That last comment makes you look like an ignorant fool.
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It's clear you agree with Trump's statement to that effect. I viewed the event causally. What occurred that makes you believe that 'the other side' had some blame?
Translation: "I don't even have a clue what really took place".
Oh, and BTW, are you telling us ANTIFA is blameless in this?
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Translation: "I don't even have a clue what really took place".
Oh, and BTW, are you telling us ANTIFA is blameless in this?
No, I don't know the details. I know someone was killed and 19 injured with a car. Otherwise it's the drama of a story for which I already know the plot.
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No, I don't know the details. I know someone was killed and 19 injured with a car. Otherwise it's the drama of a story for which I already know the plot.
And yet you are commenting on it as if you do. In other words, you'll just make it up as you go.
Got it.
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First of all, welcome back Jaybird.
Now for questions.
Why did it suddenly become a thing to start becoming a thIng to start taking these statues down?
The White Supremicists, New Nazis and KKK decided to protest the removal of the statute and obtained a permit to do so, which the ACLU fought for their right to do.
Why did Antifa find it necessary that show up?
Why did the police suddenly decide to clear out the park by pushing the Alt-right group into the streets where the Antifa folks were?
Just a few of the questions I have.
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Why did it suddenly become a thing to start becoming a thIng to start taking these statues down?
Why did it suddenly become a thing to desecrate memorials to US veterans that honorably served?
What's next, take a bulldozer into a national cemetery and push down all the markers with "CSA" on them?
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First of all, welcome back Jaybird.
Now for questions.
Why did it suddenly become a thing to start becoming a thIng to start taking these statues down?
The White Supremicists, New Nazis and KKK decided to protest the removal of the statute and obtained a permit to do so, which the ACLU fought for their right to do.
Why did Antifa find it necessary that show up?
Why did the police suddenly decide to clear out the park by pushing the Alt-right group into the streets where the Antifa folks were?
Just a few of the questions I have.
"The police acted stupidly."
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Why did it suddenly become a thing to desecrate memorials to US veterans that honorably served?
Damn! You remind me of someone from SZ. Is that you FC? I'm going to step right over that BS.
First of all, welcome back Jaybird.Now for questions.Why did it suddenly become a thing to start becoming a thIng to start taking these statues down?Just a few of the questions I have.
Thanks for the notice
Just a guess:
Any actions to change or steer society take time to mature. I've proposed things in the past that were good to do, but ill timed and therefore was unable to garner the support for it. Interestingly, the people to whom I've proposed things are slowly beginning to see things that I foresaw years ago. Maybe I was too early, maybe they're too late- I dunno.
I don't think the statue issue is new. I've heard about it for years, just took time to ripen I suppose.
A friend once told me that 'anything done too rapidly is destructive.' We were speaking about change for good. I think my friend is wiser than I. However I, like the Late Dr. ML King do not believe that it's appropriate for an oppressor to prescribe a timetable for the liberty of those they subjugate.
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Jay bird, you seem to be intent upon imposing blame onto your perceived enemies for things you feel.
Your feelings are incidental to the event, but like the vast majority of the butt hurt bunch you've chosen to simply invent motive and intent where ever you choose, without serious investigation, or any intention of reason, what so ever.
The idea that somehow Donald Trump was required to ignore that ANTIFA advertised in Charlotte, on Craig's List for protesters to go to Charlottesville, with the express intent of denying a legal exercise of the first amendment, is typical of those who are best described as low information. Once the inevitable happened, and the crowd of paid troublemakers attacked the car in question, a bad outcome was also inevitable.
It's as if this particular outcome was orchestrated for the express purpose of framing the narrative.
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I don't think it's unfair at all. The idiot brought it on himself. And then said he can see where there's fault on both sides. He's the worst thing to have ever happened to the Republican Party, ever.
You are so disturbed that intelligent discourse is impossible. In fact, you're acting like a robot incapable of a scintilla of rational thought.
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The white supremacist that ran his crowd into the crowd deserves anything and everything the justice system can throw at him. His actions were indefensible, cowardly and stupid.
But can you honestly say there was no fault on both sides?
Somehow it's the dead woman's fault to any extent that some lunatic ran her down with his car? You, Lucy and number semen and trump are crazy.
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Damn! You remind me of someone from SZ. Is that you FC? I'm going to step right over that BS.
So are you obfuscating here because you were unaware that soldiers of the CSA are considered (by law) US veterans?
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Somehow it's the dead woman's fault to any extent that some lunatic ran her down with his car? You, Lucy and number semen and trump are crazy.
So you tune into CNN, get your "news" and now this is how you respond?
Guess facts are meaningless when a subversive narrative must be advanced, even if that narrative in no way, shape or form resembles reality.
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Somehow it's the dead woman's fault to any extent that some lunatic ran her down with his car? You, Lucy and number semen and trump are crazy.
Are you aware of the video showing the dudes car being hit by objects and that police believe he may have panicked and hit the accelerator? Not dismissing what happened, just that there might be other explanations to what happened?
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Are you aware of the video showing the dudes car being hit by objects and that police believe he may have panicked and hit the accelerator? Not dismissing what happened, just that there might be other explanations to what happened?
CNN will not show or discuss facts in this. They have a narrative to advance.
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Why won't the LEFT acknowledge that Trump denounced the KKK, and neo Nazis? He was very adamant, yet the LEFT, and their Media stooges lie, and say he didn't. Why does the LEFT have to LIE if their arguments are sound?
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Why won't the LEFT acknowledge that Trump denounced the KKK, and neo Nazis? He was very adamant, yet the LEFT, and their Media stooges lie, and say he didn't. Why does the LEFT have to LIE if their arguments are sound?
Cloward and Piven, and Saul Alinsky.
The narrative must be controlled, propaganda is a useful tool.
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Cloward and Piven, and Saul Alinsky.
As we've said before, Goebbels would be envious.
The narrative must be controlled, propaganda is a useful tool.
So is my AR-15.
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A friend once told me that 'anything done too rapidly is destructive.' We were speaking about change for good. I think my friend is wiser than I. However I, like the Late Dr. ML King do not believe that it's appropriate for an oppressor to prescribe a timetable for the liberty of those they subjugate.
What "liberty" are you advancing with the destruction of our civil war statues? As a nation, we fought an internal war. The forces for liberty won, and were respectful of those that were defeated. Is it advancing the countries liberty to remove artifacts that represent the loss by the confederates?
Maybe you can advise on the motivation? Could it be .... racially motivated? hmmmmmm
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Somehow it's the dead woman's fault to any extent that some lunatic ran her down with his car? You, Lucy and number semen and trump are crazy.
Get help.
You are seriously and maybe dangerously demented.
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I don't think it's unfair at all. The idiot brought it on himself. And then said he can see where there's fault on both sides. He's the worst thing to have ever happened to the Republican Party, ever.
Care to comment on the Clinton - Gore use of these insulting and racist images?
Or are you such a pathetic hypocrite that you can't?
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So are you obfuscating here because you were unaware that soldiers of the CSA are considered (by law) US veterans?
I know that their treason was forgiven to "preserve the union".
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Jay bird, you seem to be intent upon imposing blame onto your perceived enemies for things you feel.
Your feelings are incidental to the event, but like the vast majority of the butt hurt bunch you've chosen to simply invent motive and intent where ever you choose, without serious investigation, or any intention of reason, what so ever.
The idea that somehow Donald Trump was required to ignore that ANTIFA advertised in Charlotte, on Craig's List for protesters to go to Charlottesville, with the express intent of denying a legal exercise of the first amendment, is typical of those who are best described as low information. Once the inevitable happened, and the crowd of paid troublemakers attacked the car in question, a bad outcome was also inevitable.
It's as if this particular outcome was orchestrated for the express purpose of framing the narrative.
Granted.
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I know that their treason was forgiven to "preserve the union".
What "treason"? Can you please cite a credible reference that members of the CSA were "treasonous"?
Have you actually ever studied the Civil War?
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Care to comment on the Clinton - Gore use of these insulting and racist images?
It's not racist unless a republican does it.
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Only here would Robert E. Lee be held up as a model of a patriotic American.
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Only here would Robert E. Lee be held up as a model of a patriotic American.
Did you ever study the civil war, outside of the influence of a liberal progressive university?
Also, have you ever read about Robert E. Lee and his history?
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Somehow it's the dead woman's fault to any extent that some lunatic ran her down with his car? You, Lucy and number semen and trump are crazy.
No. I said nothing of the sort.
I said there was fault on BOTH sides (of the protest). I don't know if that woman was one of the one's swinging a club or not. But she was definitely there as a "counter protester" with the goal of causing trouble. She just got more than she bargained for, or even deserved.
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Did you ever study the civil war, outside of the influence of a liberal progressive university?
Also, have you ever read about Robert E. Lee and his history?
Yeah, I even read books I couldn't color in, unlike some people. But the fact that he was the de facto leader of a revolt agains the United States of America does somewhat obviate him from being a paragon.
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Yeah, I even read books I couldn't color in, unlike some people. But the fact that he was the de facto leader of a revolt agains the United States of America does somewhat obviate him from being a paragon.
OK, you just stated you have studied the Civil War. And you paint Robert E. Lee as a "leader of a revolt against the United States"......
This tells me you really have no knowledge on this subject by making that first statement.
Please go find some real history books, not those revisionist ones put out by liberal professors and do some reading on what brought about the civil war (hint: it wasn't slavery) and the people on both sides that were instrumental in starting and executing the war. You will be shocked at just how little you know about this part in history.
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Yeah, I even read books I couldn't color in, unlike some people. But the fact that he was the de facto leader of a revolt agains the United States of America does somewhat obviate him from being a paragon.
I guess he was incensed that the president had the temerity to PROCLAIM something in a Republic. It would have and does get me riled up too. There are ways to do things in a republic. And we don't go around having a king make a proclamation in absence of legislation, endorsement(signature) by the exec, and review by the high court. The fact that the matter at hand(emancipation proclamation) was just, and good, the avenues that a republic takes to resolve internal conflict were not followed, or even allowed to be entertained. Ergo - revolt.
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Yeah, I even read books I couldn't color in, unlike some people. But the fact that he was the de facto leader of a revolt agains the United States of America does somewhat obviate him from being a paragon.
Maybe you did read books that paid serious historical attention to the many and varied facts about the genesis of the civil war, but as an progressive academic,and your tendency to ignore the balance of facts in favor of shallow talking points, it is your conclusions that lead me to seriously doubt it.
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Are you aware of the video showing the dudes car being hit by objects and that police believe he may have panicked and hit the accelerator? Not dismissing what happened, just that there might be other explanations to what happened?
Talk about a room full of lunatic fringe. At first, I thought your group of nuts was somewhat in jest. Now I see you seriously believe some of the crap you espouse.
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Talk about a room full of lunatic fringe. Unreal.
That is a pathetic failure at projection, it was probably worth a try.
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Talk about a room full of lunatic fringe. At first, I thought your group of nuts was somewhat in jest. Now I see you seriously believe some of the crap you espouse.
Pot, meet Kettle.......
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Back to the progressive playbook, this is just more of what's to come:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article167756842.html
Gee, wonder what affiliation those inmates that were going to stir up violence has?
Social media has been advertising a “Millions for Prisoners’ Human Rights” rally on Saturday in Washington, but it’s not clear who is spearheading the movement. Postings advertise the effort as a way to raise awareness about mass incarceration and human rights violations in prisons across the country.
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Maybe you did read books that paid serious historical attention to the many and varied facts about the genesis of the civil war, but as an progressive academic,and your tendency to ignore the balance of facts in favor of shallow talking points, it is your conclusions that lead me to seriously doubt it.
Robert E Lee was a good man. He lead the army because he didn't want to go to war with his home state. That said, he did run the army that revolted against the United States. Sorry, that does not make him a hero of the United States. Get over it.
Something I admit I don't know. Who wanted that statue removed? If it was outsiders causing a local monument to be taken down, then I see the point of the why folks didn't like it. If it was the people in that city, then thats different. You have outsiders telling people what to do in their own community. If its a matter of obeying the law, that's one thing. But if it concerns what people want or don't want as a local monument, that's another.
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Robert E Lee was a good man. He lead the army because he didn't want to go to war with his home state. That said, he did run the army that revolted against the United States. .
Glad to see you left the forum to go google and read about Robert E. Lee. ::)
Sorry, that does not make him a hero of the United States. Get over it.
Where is the post proclaiming him as a hero of the United States?
But since you're scrambling to Wiki about him, perhaps you did miss the parts about his 30+ year military career (in the US Army) and how he served honorably and with distinction. Whether you like it or not, Gen Lee was an accomplished soldier and very highly regarded by those in the military.
Something I admit I don't know. Who wanted that statue removed? If it was outsiders causing a local monument to be taken down, then I see the point of the why folks didn't like it. If it was the people in that city, then thats different. You have outsiders telling people what to do in their own community. If its a matter of obeying the law, that's one thing. But if it concerns what people want or don't want as a local monument, that's another.
But you've already lambasted posters here on the subject, yet you come back with the above?
How about this, next time. When a national story happens, do some research (outside of the MSM) then come here and give some thoughtful commentary and engage in a meaningful debate, rather than your typical drive by slurs.
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Talk about a room full of lunatic fringe. At first, I thought your group of nuts was somewhat in jest. Now I see you seriously believe some of the crap you espouse.
So you just reject that out of hand. I guess we'll see what comes out of the investigation.
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Talk about a room full of lunatic fringe. At first, I thought your group of nuts was somewhat in jest. Now I see you seriously believe some of the crap you espouse.
What, you think you're talking to some panel on CNN or MSNBC?
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Latest affront from CNN. Now the 'Chickenshit Non-News'.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/opinions/north-korea-us-guam-choice-adam-mount/index.html
The gist of it is - we should reduce or eliminate our existing policy of flights of the Bone, and reduce the scope of our joint US/SK military exercises. All because some tinpot idiot rattles his tiny saber.
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Latest affront from CNN. Now the 'Chickenshit Non-News'.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/opinions/north-korea-us-guam-choice-adam-mount/index.html
The gist of it is - we should reduce or eliminate our existing policy of flights of the Bone, and reduce the scope of our joint US/SK military exercises. All because some tinpot idiot rattles his tiny saber.
What's new?
Consider this, when Lil' Kim was throwing his tantrum CNN and their ilk were running negative story after negative story about Trump, but rarely if ever they would make any negative comments about Kim.
Oh, and the MSM also forgot to report on when Lil' Kim stood down his threats.
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Damn! You remind me of someone from SZ. Is that you FC? I'm going to step right over that BS.
Are you really that unaware that, through multiple Acts of Congress, Civil War soldiers that fought under the CSA have been given equal status, rights, and honor bestowed upon every other veteran of the United States of America? That includes their graves.
Rock Island Arsenal is an Island in the Mississippi River, and is a working arsenal to this day. Many of the buildings were built by Confederate prisoners, and there is a large Confederate cemetery immediately next to the National Cemetery on the Island.
When I lived there, every Memorial Day I, along with many others, placed flags on the graves of the dead in both the National and Confederate cemeteries, without distinction between the two.
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Just out of curiosity, tell me you didn't place the current American flag on the confederate soldiers' graves.
Personally, I think it's a bunch of nothing, but seems goofy to give equal rights to confederate soldiers since they were indeed the enemy of the U.S.
But really, tearing down statues and getting upset about the rebel flag...those are people with too much time on their hands. People in the south who enjoy seeing the rebel flag and references to Lee aren't pro-slavery, they're just having some fun and enjoy their ties to the southern states. Yes, there's some pride to be from the south because things are different there.
And most of the people are embarrassed that the KKK and neo-nazis are embracing their old flag.
Times have changed. I have friends in several southern states and they really don't take the ties to the south seriously. Some have the old flag license plates, etc. But they also have close friends and family who are black and Hispanic and want no part of any prejudice. We all know it exists, but we're just not close to anyone who feels that way, so it seems odd that something like this can get so out of hand.
I live just a few miles from the Mizzou campus where all the cameras were last year. The damage the protesters did to our state, city and university won't be undone for decades. Enrollment is down in the double digits thanks to the protesters who got their fifteen minutes and disappeared. The name has been tarnished and it was amazing how often people I've known forever emailed me asking about the danger in town. I LIVE HERE and never saw anything - nothing, except what was on the news. One thing I can say is that every town has idiots, racists (of every color), big mouths and wannabes.
The current situation got out of hand because of one idiot who wanted attention and thought it would be cool to mow down a crowd. I know most of you will say he was attacked, etc, but anyone with even one functioning brain cell knows that's not what happened. He was an idiot with too much time on his hands, not enough real worries, and found a group of morons to associate with. To fuel the flames was the group of counter-protesters. To be fair, another group of people with too much free time, but by and large most, but not all of them, were peaceful.
I used to say that people crying racism were out of touch and looking for attention. And then I come here and see a lot of the crap being said and it's obvious I'm out of touch. People like that do exist, and apparently in numbers big enough to warrant more attention. Because it obviously is a problem. Whodathunk, in this day and age.
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The current situation got out of hand because of one idiot who wanted attention and thought it would be cool to mow down a crowd. I know most of you will say he was attacked, etc, but anyone with even one functioning brain cell knows that's not what happened.
How do you know that to be a fact? Because FakeNews said so? That's a serious question.
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Just out of curiosity, tell me you didn't place the current American flag on the confederate soldiers' graves.
Personally, I think it's a bunch of nothing, but seems goofy to give equal rights to confederate soldiers since they were indeed the enemy of the U.S.
But really, tearing down statues and getting upset about the rebel flag...those are people with too much time on their hands. People in the south who enjoy seeing the rebel flag and references to Lee aren't pro-slavery, they're just having some fun and enjoy their ties to the southern states. Yes, there's some pride to be from the south because things are different there.
And most of the people are embarrassed that the KKK and neo-nazis are embracing their old flag.
Times have changed. I have friends in several southern states and they really don't take the ties to the south seriously. Some have the old flag license plates, etc. But they also have close friends and family who are black and Hispanic and want no part of any prejudice. We all know it exists, but we're just not close to anyone who feels that way, so it seems odd that something like this can get so out of hand.
I live just a few miles from the Mizzou campus where all the cameras were last year. The damage the protesters did to our state, city and university won't be undone for decades. Enrollment is down in the double digits thanks to the protesters who got their fifteen minutes and disappeared. The name has been tarnished and it was amazing how often people I've known forever emailed me asking about the danger in town. I LIVE HERE and never saw anything - nothing, except what was on the news. One thing I can say is that every town has idiots, racists (of every color), big mouths and wannabes.
The current situation got out of hand because of one idiot who wanted attention and thought it would be cool to mow down a crowd. I know most of you will say he was attacked, etc, but anyone with even one functioning brain cell knows that's not what happened. He was an idiot with too much time on his hands, not enough real worries, and found a group of morons to associate with. To fuel the flames was the group of counter-protesters. To be fair, another group of people with too much free time, but by and large most, but not all of them, were peaceful.
I used to say that people crying racism were out of touch and looking for attention. And then I come here and see a lot of the crap being said and it's obvious I'm out of touch. People like that do exist, and apparently in numbers big enough to warrant more attention. Because it obviously is a problem. Whodathunk, in this day and age.
Of course it was a US flag. Public Law 85-425, A 1958 law requires that the term "veteran" includes those who served in the CSA.
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How do you know that to be a fact? Because FakeNews said so? That's a serious question.
How does he know that the guy who drove the car into the crowd wasn't attacked? Well, unless you were there and tracking every person then nobody KNOWS, but there is no evidence of it. To,assert otherwise then is irresponsible.
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Of course it was a US flag. Public Law 85-425, A 1958 law requires that the term "veteran" includes those who served in the CSA.
See 14th Amendment Section 3
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See 14th Amendment Section 3
What's your point?
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The Civil War was not just about slavery. It was about the unfair Federal Import/Export Tariffs that were raping the Southern economy. It was also about state's rights. Lincoln, in many ways acted CRIMINALLY. The Civil War started our great decline towards Collectivism, and central, ruling authority, just like the USSR.
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The Civil War was not just about slavery. It was about the unfair Federal Import/Export Tariffs that were raping the Southern economy. It was also about state's rights. Lincoln, in many ways acted CRIMINALLY. The Civil War started our great decline towards Collectivism, and central, ruling authority, just like the USSR.
I don't think Old Abe was quite the hero he's been made out to be.
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How does he know that the guy who drove the car into the crowd wasn't attacked? Well, unless you were there and tracking every person then nobody KNOWS, but there is no evidence of it. To,assert otherwise then is irresponsible.
Why? I heard one report that the guy had rocks thrown at his car. I'd suggest he panicked, but then I'd be a racist...
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I don't think Old Abe was quite the hero he's been made out to be.
All part of people wanting to rewrite history. When you look at all the events that led up to the civil war (the actual events) then you look at the actions Lincoln and the north took (again the actual events) the story is quite different than what's been accepted.
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All part of people wanting to rewrite history. When you look at all the events that led up to the civil war (the actual events) then you look at the actions Lincoln and the north took (again the actual events) the story is quite different than what's been accepted.
I remember learning in high school, and then college that the Civil War was about several issues, many economic. However, today they teach it was ALL ABOUT SLAVERY brainwashing our kids with LIES. This has been going on for decades.
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I wish I could find the article on it about how schools were wanting to stop teaching any US history prior to reconstruction.
The alt left progressives hate US history (the actual history) and want it scrubbed. Perhaps a large part of this is because in actual history the democrats were pro slavery, anti civil rights and connected with hate groups such as the KKK, among others.
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I wish I could find the article on it about how schools were wanting to stop teaching any US history prior to reconstruction.
The alt left progressives hate US history (the actual history) and want it scrubbed. Perhaps a large part of this is because in actual history the democrats were pro slavery, anti civil rights and connected with hate groups such as the KKK, among others.
Political "correctness."
http://nypost.com/2017/01/22/why-schools-have-stopped-teaching-american-history/
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I wish I could find the article on it about how schools were wanting to stop teaching any US history prior to reconstruction.
The alt left progressives hate US history (the actual history) and want it scrubbed. Perhaps a large part of this is because in actual history the democrats were pro slavery, anti civil rights and connected with hate groups such as the KKK, among others.
I wish I could find the picture I took in a Civil War museum. It was a letter hand written by Lincoln describing how he had no intention of freeing the slaves, and he would not push to give the black man the vote, or equal civil rights. All those positions came later when they became popular.
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I wish I could find the picture I took in a Civil War museum. It was a letter hand written by Lincoln describing how he had no intention of freeing the slaves, and he would not push to give the black man the vote, or equal civil rights. All those positions came later when they became popular.
Kinda like how the Emancipation Proclamation only covered slaves in the Southern states?
And yes, at that time there were northern states that held slaves. Odd that Lincoln didn't care about freeing them as well. ( that came later)
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I remember learning in high school, and then college that the Civil War was about several issues, many economic. However, today they teach it was ALL ABOUT SLAVERY brainwashing our kids with LIES. This has been going on for decades.
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it
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Later in the war, slavery became a nice excuse the Feds could use for their over reach.
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Later in the war, slavery became a nice excuse the Feds could use for their over reach.
Exactly. Lincoln "freed the slaves" but only actually in the states he didn't have control over at the time. What the emancipation proclamation actually meant was that if those southern slaves escaped and made it to the north, then they were free. Lincoln didn't want to free the slaves being held in the northern states as not to piss off the land owners there. That didn't happen till much later.
But you won't hear that and other parts of the actual Civil War (War of Northern Aggression) being taught in our schools today. They won't tell the students about how Lincoln ignored the constitution and other atrocities.
All students will hear (if it's taught at all) is that the southerners were hateful treasonous racist slave owners and that Lincoln was a saint and all he wanted was free slaves and to preserve the union.
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See 14th Amendment Section 3
What about it?
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What about it?
Maybe he will answer on his next drive by. (Don't hold your breath)