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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on January 13, 2022, 03:09:40 PM

Title: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 13, 2022, 03:09:40 PM
Not the truth that democrats and other types of communists want to hear but the truth is bleeding out day by day, showing the moron and his cabinet of corrupt pigs to be lying assholes we expected.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-01-12-uk-government-vaccinated-dying-286-percent-higher-unvaccinated.html
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: nddons on January 13, 2022, 03:29:09 PM
This article echos that. Seems like the boosters damage the body’s natural immunity, not support it.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/01/booster_bust_medical_establishment_changes_its_mind.html
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Lucifer on January 13, 2022, 03:36:24 PM
This article echos that. Seems like the boosters damage the body’s natural immunity, not support it.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/01/booster_bust_medical_establishment_changes_its_mind.html

 Yep.  This was being discussed a year ago, but then it was labeled "conspiracy theory".   ::)
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 13, 2022, 03:41:21 PM
This article echos that. Seems like the boosters damage the body’s natural immunity, not support it.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/01/booster_bust_medical_establishment_changes_its_mind.html

good thing the vaccine providers don't have any liability...

Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 13, 2022, 05:04:25 PM
Not the truth that democrats and other types of communists want to hear but the truth is bleeding out day by day, showing the moron and his cabinet of corrupt pigs to be lying assholes we expected.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-01-12-uk-government-vaccinated-dying-286-percent-higher-unvaccinated.html (https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-01-12-uk-government-vaccinated-dying-286-percent-higher-unvaccinated.html)
You are not allowed to post this link on FB or Twitter. They are now acting on the Presidents order to censor.

Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: bflynn on January 14, 2022, 08:31:48 AM
Not the truth that democrats and other types of communists want to hear but the truth is bleeding out day by day, showing the moron and his cabinet of corrupt pigs to be lying assholes we expected.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-01-12-uk-government-vaccinated-dying-286-percent-higher-unvaccinated.html

Good grief.  Did everyone fail 4th grade math?

Trace this back to the source.  They compared data of the raw number of deaths in a subset to each other, not as a rate among the population.. 

The actual UK data from January:
The vaccination rate is 77.1%.
There are 67.22 million people in the UK
There were 24,366 unvaccinated deaths out of 15.39 million people, a rate of 158 per 100,000.
There were 3404 death of vaccinated people out of 58.17 million people, a rate of 6.58 per 100,000

Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

No, vaccinated people are not dying at a faster rate than unvaccinated people.  And perhaps more significantly, there were only 11 deaths of fully vaccinated people who were more than 21 days after their vaccination.  Think through that, 11 out of over 50,000,000.

What does it say that 1) they have to lie to you to get you to act a certain way and 2) you are actively agreeing to be lied to.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 14, 2022, 08:39:09 AM
It's a good thing the communists have people like biden, michael weinstein and flynn to carry their water.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: bflynn on January 14, 2022, 08:43:50 AM
It's a good thing the communists have people like biden, michael weinstein and flynn to carry their water.

Bullshit.  I'm not carrying anyone's water.  I'm pointing out that you're a piece of crap who has shit for brains and you can't even recognize when you're being led around by the nose.  They are using and controlling you and you don't care, in fact you seem to like it.  You actively participate in being their bitch.

Shit, I bet your wife cucks you too...

Go on, ask me how I really feel...
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 14, 2022, 09:13:11 AM
Good grief.  Did everyone fail 4th grade math?


pretty much, yup.  but they got their participation award.



Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 14, 2022, 09:15:18 AM
Bullshit.  I'm not carrying anyone's water.  I'm pointing out that you're a piece of crap who has shit for brains and you can't even recognize when you're being led around by the nose.  They are using and controlling you and you don't care, in fact you seem to like it.  You actively participate in being their bitch.

Shit, I bet your wife cucks you too...

Go on, ask me how I really feel...

It is so cute to see one of the left’s bitches losing it when they get called out.

How truly precious.

Faggot
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 14, 2022, 09:37:28 AM
Good grief.  Did everyone fail 4th grade math?

What does it say that 1) they have to lie to you to get you to act a certain way and 2) you are actively agreeing to be lied to.
Flynn, what's wrong with you.  They had a very good lie going there and here you are, carrying the Left's water by exposing it with facts.  That's not the job of a good blind partisan.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: bflynn on January 14, 2022, 10:16:57 AM
Flynn, what's wrong with you.  They had a very good lie going there and here you are, carrying the Left's water by exposing it with facts.  That's not the job of a good blind partisan.

Exactly.  I am neither blind nor partisan. 

Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 14, 2022, 05:00:35 PM
Very shortly after Number7 started this thread I was going to post something similar to what Flynn eventually posted but I was interrupted before I could compose a response. I'm glad he got around to it. (I did eventually get around to posting a quickly composed counter-argument on the purple board.)

The claim of the UK publishing stats of three times greater death rates in vaccinated is sufficiently incredible that even the biggest skeptic of vaccines should have had their Spidey sense kick in and look into the actual source of the claimed data.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 14, 2022, 05:50:48 PM
Unfortunately with the plethora of lies surrounding the scam vaccines and the remarkable number of breakthrough Covid cases, it is very hard to believe any defense of its veracity.

The scam is so ingrained in liberals minds that they can’t even see the insanity of giving billions to illegally unvaccinated aliens while firing doctors and nurses for refusing take a failed experimental drug.

The sheer idiocy surrounding those of you defending the scam vaccine amazes me.

Not a single. Deck or argument can be made for the scam vaccines especially with proof that the fucking government suppressed data proving that readily available far less risky and much more effective drugs were already available and easily sourced.

This entire charade is about shredding the constitution, making obscene profits for drug companies to insure obscene bribes to fuck bag politicians and weakening the working class.

Anyone denying this is a fucking idiot, a communist, or both.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Rush on January 14, 2022, 06:09:09 PM



This entire charade is about shredding the constitution, making obscene profits for drug companies to insure obscene bribes to fuck bag politicians and weakening the working class.



This is certainly true whether or not the vaccinated are dying at three times the rate of the unvaccinated.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 14, 2022, 07:11:15 PM
This is certainly true whether or not the vaccinated are dying at three times the rate of the unvaccinated.

The sheer volume of what you are required to believe to have any faith in this scam-demic is staggering, but liberals are so fucking blind they just stagger along with their heads up their asses.
Title: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 14, 2022, 08:00:22 PM

The claim of the UK publishing stats of three times greater death rates in vaccinated is sufficiently incredible that even the biggest skeptic of vaccines should have had their Spidey sense kick in and look into the actual source of the claimed data.

Exactly. One really has to look at the original data and analyses when something doesn’t pass the smell test.

Was this published in a peer-reviewed article? Or even a pre-print intended for same?

And yes, I suspect that the writers at naturalnews either did fail 4th grade math or have forgotten what they learned. It is a highly biased publication which often gets scientific facts and analyses wrong.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 14, 2022, 08:18:40 PM
Unfortunately with the plethora of lies surrounding the scam vaccines and the remarkable number of breakthrough Covid cases, it is very hard to believe any defense of its veracity.
Agreed.
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The scam is so ingrained in liberals minds that they can’t even see the insanity of giving billions to illegally unvaccinated aliens while firing doctors and nurses for refusing take a failed experimental drug.
Agreed.
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The sheer idiocy surrounding those of you defending the scam vaccine amazes me.
Disagree. Our goals, opposing authoritarians and preserving individual liberty, are the same but it is clear we disagree on strategy and tactics. The vaccines did more good than harm, IMHO. I make a distinction between the good people who worked on the vaccines from the bad people who use them to control whole populations.
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Not a single. Deck or argument can be made for the scam vaccines especially with proof that the fucking government suppressed data proving that readily available far less risky and much more effective drugs were already available and easily sourced.
Agreed.
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This entire charade is about shredding the constitution, making obscene profits for drug companies to insure obscene bribes to fuck bag politicians and weakening the working class.

Anyone denying this is a fucking idiot, a communist, or both.
Agreed - to the extent your last sentence refers just to the sentence above it.
You may continue to disbelieve it but neither I, nor Flynn I think (I can't speak for him of course) are liberals in the colloquial meaning. I consider myself a libertarian or possibly a "rational anarchist" as described by Robert Heinlein: "A rational anarchist believes that concepts such as ‘state’ and ‘society’ and ‘government’ have no existence save as physically exemplified in the acts of self-responsible individuals. He believes that it is impossible to shift blame, share blame, distribute blame . . . as blame, guilt, responsibility are matters taking place inside human beings singly and nowhere else. But being rational, he knows that not all individuals hold his evaluations, so he tries to live perfectly in an imperfect world . . . aware that his effort will be less than perfect yet undismayed by self-knowledge of self-failure.”
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 14, 2022, 08:35:59 PM
The facts murder the narrative.

fauci's own emails from years ago, where praises ivermectin as a drug against corona viruses, bury any justification for supporting the vaccine regime.

Using big tech to censor anyone who dares to disagree and using government to bully doctors into silence is the smoking gun for anyone but the most irrational of adults.

If the fucking vaccine was in any way a positive step the government in conjunction with the communist chinese would not be so adamantly against freedom to debate it on its merits. That alone negates any reason to believe the vaccine is either safe, useful, effective, or appropriate.

With the willing cooperation of the educational cabal, and big tech, the senile imposter has silenced a huge population of medical professionals bullied, threatened and damaged for speaking why they feel is in the best interest of their patients. The government is speaking only about what is 8n the best interests of money and power.

bill gates is a megalomaniac on the order of the lying, scum bag fauci. His own previous interviews speak volumes about his devotion to using vaccines to reduce world population.

fauci is a blithering imbecile, who can't hold his own arguments together for more than a few weeks. His every pronouncement has become another ina long line of lies that paint him as a modern day mengele.

To pretend the vaccines have any merit is to accept the lies and the outright fraud.

The simple fact that there is an enormous population of 'fully' vaccinated people clogging hospitals, suffering from the scamdemic, should be enough, but a huge population of blind followers refuse to question anything.

Pretending that flynn is being reasonable, or conservative in his devotion to the scam vaccines just ruins any integrity in your argument. The vaccines have done nothing natural immunity didn't do faster and better, and everyone is pretending that it is not true, because it might upset the liberal narrative and enormous bribe taking.

The media has become the fifth column right beside the democrat communists in congress and the senate. Their devotion to fascism and censorship alone should exclude them from anyone giving their positions any credibility.

It is impossible for me to believe an actual libertarian could stand by and see the facts, but still be so comfortable with by the lies.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: bflynn on January 16, 2022, 05:26:19 AM
Exactly. One really has to look at the original data and analyses when something doesn’t pass the smell test.

Was this published in a peer-reviewed article? Or even a pre-print intended for same?

And yes, I suspect that the writers at naturalnews either did fail 4th grade math or have forgotten what they learned. It is a highly biased publication which often gets scientific facts and analyses wrong.

It was a government daily data report.  The people pushing the false "vaccines are deadly" narrative cherry picked two numbers from the report and produced a lie. 
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Lucifer on January 16, 2022, 06:21:19 AM
Yea, no one is pushing a false "vaccines are safe and effective" narrative using fake data............................   ::)
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 16, 2022, 06:45:25 AM
Yea, no one is pushing a false "vaccines are safe and effective" narrative using fake data............................   ::)
Yes, too many people are pushing that narrative.

The response should be to dispute that; not to make up fake arguments the other way.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 16, 2022, 07:19:24 AM
+1
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 16, 2022, 07:28:58 AM
It was a government daily data report.  The people pushing the false "vaccines are deadly" narrative cherry picked two numbers from the report and produced a lie.
Strikes me as worse than cherry-picking, which is normally using a subset of the data. In this case they completely mis-interpreted the data. It is as though they simply don’t understand the difference between a rate of something occurring and the raw number of occurrences. This level of mathematical illiteracy does not surprise me at naturalnews at all.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: elwood blues on January 16, 2022, 03:13:51 PM
Strikes me as worse than cherry-picking, which is normally using a subset of the data. In this case they completely mis-interpreted the data. It is as though they simply don’t understand the difference between a rate of something occurring and the raw number of occurrences. This level of mathematical illiteracy does not surprise me at naturalnews at all.

To be fair (because our side is fair), these are the same people who do not/cannot, will not understand why Trump was/is/and will remain so popular.

It must be exhausting to live their lives.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 16, 2022, 05:21:28 PM
Yes, too many people are pushing that narrative.

The response should be to dispute that; not to make up fake arguments the other way.

I love the way liberals blindly cling to the vaccine is good for you narrative without the slightest shred of proof that there is any real benefit to it.
Brainwashing is strong with you libs.

(https://media.gettr.com/group3/getter/2022/01/16/22/4f495474-cb79-cdfe-a12b-07b64de4937d/d64217c91f44be7d207801c21beccf5a_500x0.jpg)
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 16, 2022, 05:53:52 PM
I love the way liberals blindly cling to the vaccine is good for you narrative without the slightest shred of proof that there is any real benefit to it.
Brainwashing is strong with you libs.
YOU LIBS?   Huh?  You are such an idiot with reading comprehension even worse than your typing skills.

The only time I consider myself a liberal is when I read the stupid bullshit you say and I can't stand being on your side.  No wonder your kids hate you.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 16, 2022, 06:00:12 PM
YOU LIBS?   Huh?  You are such an idiot with reading comprehension even worse than your typing skills.

The only time I consider myself a liberal is when I read the stupid bullshit you say and I can't stand being on your side.  No wonder your kids hate you.

I love owning real estate in both your head and flynnee's.
You two are so dependable.

Your devotion to the vaccine scam is deplorable.

Your fucking ego makes you go insane whenever you're challenged because you know you are brainwashed and protecting a failed narrative.

flynnee is just as dependable.

I LOVE having the power to make you two lose your fucking minds.

So.

You still want to defend your vaccine scam lies???

We can do this all night, but you will probably give yourself a heart attack.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 16, 2022, 06:21:00 PM
I love owning real estate in both your head and flynnee's.
You two are so dependable.

Your devotion to the vaccine scam is deplorable.

Your fucking ego makes you go insane whenever you're challenged because you know you are brainwashed and protecting a failed narrative.

flynnee is just as dependable.

I LOVE having the power to make you two lose your fucking minds.

So.

You still want to defend your vaccine scam lies???

We can do this all night, but you will probably give yourself a heart attack.
Yes, we could do this all night, but it would be ridiculous.  You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.  You are about as one dimensional as a period.
I'm not about to defend a position you mistakenly think I have.  But what I will keep doing is pointing out when you distribute lies.  Your lies are just as counter productive as those on the left.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 16, 2022, 07:27:15 PM
Yes, we could do this all night, but it would be ridiculous.  You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.  You are about as one dimensional as a period.
I'm not about to defend a position you mistakenly think I have.  But what I will keep doing is pointing out when you distribute lies.  Your lies are just as counter productive as those on the left.

You flynnee, and steingar share the same pathetic lack of originality.

Like all libs you have no clue how to insult your opponent so fall back on repeating other people, pretending, and acting childish.

Maybe you need another vaccine booster…

By the way, if you are so distressed over my posts, why are you obsessed with babbling back constantly?

no one is making you constantly post to me. just grow a set and stop if it is so distressing to you.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Rush on January 16, 2022, 08:29:50 PM
You flynnee, and steingar share the same pathetic lack of originality.

Like all libs you have no clue how to insult your opponent so fall back on repeating other people, pretending, and acting childish.

Maybe you need another vaccine booster…

By the way, if you are so distressed over my posts, why are you obsessed with babbling back constantly?

no one is making you constantly post to me. just grow a set and stop if it is so distressing to you.

I’ll only believe Little Joe and Flynn are liberals if they voted for Biden. I’m SURE Steingar voted for Biden.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 16, 2022, 08:40:05 PM
I’ll only believe Little Joe and Flynn are liberals if they voted for Biden. I’m SURE Steingar voted for Biden.

Remember back in 2016 flynnee was urging everyone to vote for a 'moderate' democrat. That was either the crook from NM or biden. I can't really remember but he was insistent we should all vote for a democrat.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2022, 04:40:53 AM
You flynnee, and steingar share the same pathetic lack of originality.

Like all libs you have no clue how to insult your opponent so fall back on repeating other people, pretending, and acting childish.

You are right.  I am not very good at insulting people.  I don't get much practice.  Since I don't usually TRY to be an asshole, most people don't elicit insults from me.  I save my insults for true assholes, but I admit I don't get too much practice.  Of course though, that doesn't include what I say in my head to most other drivers on the road.

How about this:  At least I can form a sentence without using the words "pussy" or "pathetic" or saying "liberals are stupid".
No, that's not good enough either.

How about this:  "I'm truly sorry for you with your Little Man complex".
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 17, 2022, 05:10:04 AM
You are right.  I am not very good at insulting people.  I don't get much practice.  Since I don't usually TRY to be an asshole, most people don't elicit insults from me.  I save my insults for true assholes, but I admit I don't get too much practice.  Of course though, that doesn't include what I say in my head to most other drivers on the road.

How about this:  At least I can form a sentence without using the words "pussy" or "pathetic" or saying "liberals are stupid".
No, that's not good enough either.

How about this:  "I'm truly sorry for you with your Little Man complex".

How about this.... stop pretending and man up.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 17, 2022, 07:01:20 AM
Ah, gotta love the irony.

Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Rush on January 17, 2022, 07:05:59 AM
Remember back in 2016 flynnee was urging everyone to vote for a 'moderate' democrat. That was either the crook from NM or biden. I can't really remember but he was insistent we should all vote for a democrat.

If true that is a suspicious data point. On the other hand if he is truly part of the independent swing vote, they’re the ones who are seeing the light and moving away from the Democrats right now. Basically, the Dems have become fascists, period. Whatever good things liberal Democrats believed in, such as being against censorship, they have reversed and become the evil they used to be against. The Democrat party is now a soulless power machine. Anyone who supports them is either evil or a mindless fool, the majority being the latter.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 17, 2022, 08:58:33 AM
If true that is a suspicious data point. On the other hand if he is truly part of the independent swing vote, they’re the ones who are seeing the light and moving away from the Democrats right now. Basically, the Dems have become fascists, period. Whatever good things liberal Democrats believed in, such as being against censorship, they have reversed and become the evil they used to be against. The Democrat party is now a soulless power machine. Anyone who supports them is either evil or a mindless fool, the majority being the latter.

democrats are so damned myopic that most of them are not good at examining the facts and moving off their narratives.
That is a big part of the reason democrats go straight to hate, violence, cancellation and stupidity whenever someone disagrees with their narratives.

It is far more about ego than reality.

When little joe loses his shit because i called out his vaccination bullshit, it is about his precious ego, not the facts. He, like most intellectual liberals, hates having
his sacred opinions questioned.

Look how fast POS michael weinstein goes nuclear whenever the precious narratives he has been brainwashed into believing are challenged. He often
goes straight to 'Go ahead and don't have the vaccine, I hope you die and reduce the population of troglodytes,' or whatever other bullshit he is slinging that day.
little joe and flynn never find that a problem...

The new polls indicate liberals are perfectly fine with the state seizing people's children for not getting the scam vaccines, even though the bullshit lies protecting the scam vaccines are collapsing all around them.

People have become frightened about standing up tot heir bullshit because the price can get too high. When people like me tell liberals to go fuck themselves, I'm not pretending that you are making a valid point. What you are pushing is pure bullshit and corrupt bullshit at that, they are not prepared for push back and lose their shit, like little joe and flynnee.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2022, 09:12:10 AM
It has been suggested that I just put #7 on ignore.
Actually, I have already done that, but I just can't help clicking on the "show me the post" button just for amusement anyway, just to see how he is going to make a fool out of himself again.

He doesn't really bother me too much, but I have received PMs from about 4 people telling me that #7 is the main reason they don't post here any more.  If 4 people contacted me, then there must be more that left because of him and didn't confide in me.

I guess if you like a small, echo-chamber forum then you can look at #7 as guarding the gates and keeping anyone with a different POV out.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Lucifer on January 17, 2022, 09:17:01 AM
It has been suggested that I just put #7 on ignore.
Actually, I have already done that, but I just can't help clicking on the "show me the post" button just for amusement anyway, just to see how he is going to make a fool out of himself again.

He doesn't really bother me too much, but I have received PMs from about 4 people telling me that #7 is the main reason they don't post here any more.  If 4 people contacted me, then there must be more that left because of him and didn't confide in me.

I guess if you like a small, echo-chamber forum then you can look at #7 as guarding the gates and keeping anyone with a different POV out.

Yes.   Yes.  Let’s start censoring post and banning people!     ::)
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 17, 2022, 09:22:17 AM
Yes.   Yes.  Let’s start censoring post and banning people!     ::)

Liberals LOVE censorship.

It's what keeps their sacred bullshit protected from challenges.

What is hysterical here is that little joe doesn't address the substance, only how his precious feelings got hurt. Then he rants on about the value of censorship, presumably to protect his precious feelings.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2022, 09:35:10 AM
Yes.   Yes.  Let’s start censoring post and banning people!     ::)
Who said anything like that?
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Rush on January 17, 2022, 09:52:13 AM
It has been suggested that I just put #7 on ignore.
Actually, I have already done that, but I just can't help clicking on the "show me the post" button just for amusement anyway, just to see how he is going to make a fool out of himself again.

He doesn't really bother me too much, but I have received PMs from about 4 people telling me that #7 is the main reason they don't post here any more.  If 4 people contacted me, then there must be more that left because of him and didn't confide in me.

I guess if you like a small, echo-chamber forum then you can look at #7 as guarding the gates and keeping anyone with a different POV out.

People leave the board because of a single poster?  I’ll never understand that. Why don’t they just put him on ignore if they don’t like his posts?
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 17, 2022, 10:04:42 AM
People leave the board because of a single poster?  I’ll never understand that. Why don’t they just put him on ignore if they don’t like his posts?

Because liberals believe they have a right not to be offended no matter how that affects the rights of others.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2022, 10:22:26 AM
People leave the board because of a single poster?  I’ll never understand that. Why don’t they just put him on ignore if they don’t like his posts?
For one thing, he isn't the only one; just the loudest and most obnoxious.  Also, when he starts ranting name-calling at someone with a different point of view, almost everyone else joins in or defends him.  It is very rare for anyone to come to the defense of an outsider with a different pov.

But in actuality, I can't really answer your question about why others do things.  I can just relate what they tell me.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Lucifer on January 17, 2022, 10:50:17 AM
People leave the board because of a single poster?  I’ll never understand that. Why don’t they just put him on ignore if they don’t like his posts?

  It's BS, pure and simple.

  It's a technique called "seed of doubt".  Joe is planting a seed of doubt in order to sway an opinion.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Anthony on January 17, 2022, 10:55:50 AM
For one thing, he isn't the only one; just the loudest and most obnoxious.  Also, when he starts ranting name-calling at someone with a different point of view, almost everyone else joins in or defends him.  It is very rare for anyone to come to the defense of an outsider with a different pov.

But in actuality, I can't really answer your question about why others do things.  I can just relate what they tell me.

I don't think you are being accurate here at all.  In addition today's Democrats/Leftists etc are really indefensible.  They're not Liberal.  They are Big Government/Big Corporation control freak Fascists.  They want to control others and make them subjugated.  Maybe you're OK with their brand of slavery.   I'm not and their different POV is just plain W-R-O-N-G. 
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 17, 2022, 10:56:33 AM
  It's BS, pure and simple.

  It's a technique called "seed of doubt".  Joe is planting a seed of doubt in order to sway an opinion.

Now you've done it.

You will be on the censor at all costs list.

They will be private messaging each other about you hurting his feelings now.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2022, 11:02:05 AM
I don't think you are being accurate here at all.  In addition today's Democrats/Leftists etc are really indefensible.  They're not Liberal.  The are Big Government/Big Corporation control freak Fascists.  They want to control others and make them subjugated.  Maybe you're OK with their brand of slavery.   I'm not and their different POV is just plain W-R-O-N-G. 
Well then I guess you think of me that way too.  Oh well.  I've been called worse for no reason before.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 17, 2022, 11:08:01 AM
Now you've done it.

You will be on the censor at all costs list.

They will be private messaging each other about you hurting his feelings now.

Just curious - who is "they"?
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 17, 2022, 11:34:05 AM
Just curious - who is "they"?

Playing the concerned citizen of the board, now?

That would the real, or imagined people little joe is talking too - about, or not... as the case may be.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 17, 2022, 11:51:29 AM
Oh for goodness’ sake.

Joe blocks Seven but “can’t resist” clicking to see what he said. 

There will always be a Seven, and there will always be a Joe. To stop posting here because of one person who easily is blocked is quite … fragile.

Name calling and ranting instantly label one as immature and defensive rather than able to engage in dialogue.

I read assiduously the posts from people whose opinions and insights have proven to be valuable, and that includes those whose opinions differ from mine. For me, this is not an echo chamber.

Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 17, 2022, 11:54:13 AM
Playing the concerned citizen of the board, now?

That would the real, or imagined people little joe is talking too - about, or not... as the case may be.

Thanks. Good to have you posting here to clear these matters up.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 17, 2022, 12:04:19 PM
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There will always be a Seven, and there will always be a Joe. To stop posting here because of one person who easily is blocked is quite … fragile.
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agree absolutely

(agree with the rest of your post, but wanted to emphasize that particular point.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 17, 2022, 12:20:01 PM
Thanks. Good to have you posting here to clear these matters up.

Always happy to provide public service...  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Rush on January 17, 2022, 12:21:44 PM
I don't think you are being accurate here at all.  In addition today's Democrats/Leftists etc are really indefensible.  They're not Liberal. The are Big Government/Big Corporation control freak Fascists.  They want to control others and make them subjugated.  Maybe you're OK with their brand of slavery.   I'm not and their different POV is just plain W-R-O-N-G.

This, the bold part. Yesterday’s liberal, like back in the 60s/70s was:

*against censorship
*against the Vietnam war
*my body my choice in all things (drugs, abortion, vaccines, etc.)
*colorblind, accepting of all races and lifestyles
*celebrated femininity, like in the Sheena movie; strong, capable and sexy

Today’s so-called liberal (leftist Democrat) is now the opposite of all these:

*pro censorship
*support politicians that continue war for profit
*my body is now owned by the state and “my choice” applies only to specific allowances
*we must discriminate based on skin color, gender, and sexual preferences
*celebrating femininity is now “exploitation”

Unless I’m misremembering, I don’t think Flynn and Joe support the second group nor do I recall them saying vaccines should be mandated. I haven’t paid that much attention but I believe they only have said they are effective at least to some extent or maybe that you should get one. I know Flynn resists the idea Biden stole the election. But again, does that mean he supports the entire fascist Democrat leftist communist agenda?
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Anthony on January 17, 2022, 12:34:39 PM
Well then I guess you think of me that way too.  Oh well.  I've been called worse for no reason before.

No, I wasn't calling you that at all and that's not how I view your perspective.  It seems you want to view yourself as tolerant.  That's fine. I'm just stating that i will not tolerate being subjugated by Leftists which is exactly what they are trying to do.  So yes I am intolerant of enslavement and trying to play nice, nice just gets you more of the same.
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Post by: nddons on January 17, 2022, 12:49:06 PM
Oh for goodness’ sake.

Joe blocks Seven but “can’t resist” clicking to see what he said. 

There will always be a Seven, and there will always be a Joe. To stop posting here because of one person who easily is blocked is quite … fragile.

Name calling and ranting instantly label one as immature and defensive rather than able to engage in dialogue.

I read assiduously the posts from people whose opinions and insights have proven to be valuable, and that includes those whose opinions differ from mine. For me, this is not an echo chamber.
Thank you. For God’s sake, for those of us who come in here briefly, read unread threads, maybe a quick comment, and then back to work don’t have the time or patience to Wade through the fog. I tune those threads out as quickly as I tuned out Obama’s SOTU shows. Click.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 17, 2022, 12:52:45 PM
No, I wasn't calling you that at all and that's not how I view your perspective.  It seems you want to view yourself as tolerant.  That's fine. I'm just stating that i will not tolerate being subjugated by Leftists which is exactly what they are trying to do.  So yes I am intolerant of enslavement and trying to play nice, nice just gets you more of the same.

Playing nice got us forced vaccinations. People jailed for refusing to allow the government to inject them with a failed experimental drug and lefties all over the country loudly and softly supporting those policies by their frightened silence and brutal demands for subjugation.

Playing nice got us a fucking senile imposter in the White House, obviously being used as a front man for the fucking communist chinese, but lefties all over the country push back because speaking up isn't nice.

Playing nice has a government trying force people to pretend that pedophilia is normal and that there are at least 32 genders, when that is a moronic lie without the need for examination.

Playing nice has emasculated people like some here who whine like fucking children because someone said something mean. Those same losers hate President Trump because he told the truth instead of pretending to play nice.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2022, 12:58:03 PM
No, I wasn't calling you that at all and that's not how I view your perspective. 
That's good to hear.
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It seems you want to view yourself as tolerant.
That's not exactly right though. I don't want to view myself as tolerant.  I want to view myself as honest.
I am intolerant of the left's lies and deceit.  That is pretty much their whole platform.
But I am also intolerant when those on the right lie too.  I'm not one of those that say the right is as bad as the left, but when those on the right lie and deceive, I will call that out too.  If that ruffles some right leaning feathers, tough.  Don't like it?  Then don't lie and don't defend those that do.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 17, 2022, 01:51:10 PM
Oh for goodness’ sake.

Joe blocks Seven but “can’t resist” clicking to see what he said. 

There will always be a Seven, and there will always be a Joe. To stop posting here because of one person who easily is blocked is quite … fragile.

Name calling and ranting instantly label one as immature and defensive rather than able to engage in dialogue.

I read assiduously the posts from people whose opinions and insights have proven to be valuable, and that includes those whose opinions differ from mine. For me, this is not an echo chamber.

I'm really shocked that little joe admits he is the implement of his anger, but too weak to take control of himself. I guess, it is a liberal tendency to expect everyone else to subjugate their will to his because of his weak mind and needy personality.

If little joe is that enraged to have someone call him out, but too weak to avoid clicking on my posts, he has only himself to blame, which is just another point of outrage for liberals the world over.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2022, 02:20:14 PM
Oh for goodness’ sake.

Joe blocks Seven but “can’t resist” clicking to see what he said. 

There will always be a Seven, and there will always be a Joe. To stop posting here because of one person who easily is blocked is quite … fragile.
Well, I'm obviously not the fragile one you are referring to because I am still here posting.

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Name calling and ranting instantly label one as immature and defensive rather than able to engage in dialogue.
And who do YOU think is the one that is the champion name-caller on this site?
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2022, 02:29:55 PM
Out of respect for people like Stan and Rush and a few others, I will cease posting on this subject.
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Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 17, 2022, 02:46:23 PM
Well, I'm obviously not the fragile one you are referring to because I am still here posting.
And who do YOU think is the one that is the champion name-caller on this site?

Never said you had stopped posting. Was referring to the four people you mentioned earlier earlier in this thread who PM’d you that they stopped posting largely because of Seven.

Champion name caller here? Number Seven, hands down.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Lucifer on January 17, 2022, 02:57:56 PM
Out of respect for people like Stan and Rush and a few others, I will cease posting on this subject.

 ::)
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: bflynn on January 17, 2022, 04:40:26 PM
Wow, I take a few days off and suddenly it's teen drama central.  Who kissed who, so and so is dating Jack, and who was talking behind everyone else's back?

Relax.  Jeez, I've seen high schools with less drama than this.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 17, 2022, 05:54:55 PM
Wow, I take a few days off and suddenly it's teen drama central.  Who kissed who, so and so is dating Jack, and who was talking behind everyone else's back?

Relax.  Jeez, I've seen high schools with less drama than this.

Comrade Flynn - I think we've been outed!
Fearless Leader, what is plan to get rid of pesky Number7, moose, and squirrel?
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Anthony on January 17, 2022, 05:55:06 PM
That's good to hear.That's not exactly right though. I don't want to view myself as tolerant.  I want to view myself as honest.
I am intolerant of the left's lies and deceit.  That is pretty much their whole platform.
But I am also intolerant when those on the right lie too.  I'm not one of those that say the right is as bad as the left, but when those on the right lie and deceive, I will call that out too.  If that ruffles some right leaning feathers, tough.  Don't like it?  Then don't lie and don't defend those that do.

There are very, very few lies from the Right. Most of us just want honesty which is not coming from the Left at all.  All they have are lies and propaganda which are just lies repeated and repeated and repeated.  By the MEDIA, Government,  Democrats, Big Tech, Big Corp, et AL. Over and over and over. 

I'm sick of being lied to and them trying to manipulate me. It's time to fight now.  Yes, now.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2022, 05:58:27 PM
There are very, very few lies from the Right. Most of us just want honesty which is not coming from the Left at all.  All they have are lies and propaganda which are just lies repeated and repeated and repeated.  By the MEDIA, Government,  Democrats, Big Tech, Big Corp, et AL. Over and over and over. 

I'm sick of being lied to and them trying to manipulate me. It's time to fight now.  Yes, now.
I agree that there are very few lies, relatively speaking, from the right.  But, . . .
never mind.
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Post by: bflynn on January 17, 2022, 06:07:02 PM
There are very, very few lies from the Right. Most of us just want honesty which is not coming from the Left at all.  All they have are lies and propaganda which are just lies repeated and repeated and repeated.  By the MEDIA, Government,  Democrats, Big Tech, Big Corp, et AL. Over and over and over. 

I'm sick of being lied to and them trying to manipulate me. It's time to fight now.  Yes, now.

Weird, that's almost identical to what I hear people from the left saying.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Anthony on January 17, 2022, 06:07:57 PM
I agree that there are very few lies, relatively speaking, from the right.  But, . . .
never mind.

Here's some honesty. IMHO I think you've allowed your wife and her family to give credence to Leftist principles that intend to subjugate us all, including you.  In the name of keeping the peace and having an air of tolerance and open mindedness. 
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Post by: Anthony on January 17, 2022, 06:10:22 PM
Weird, that's almost identical to what I hear people from the left saying.

Then you must ask yourself what is right and what is wrong.  They exist. Good and evil exist.  What do YOU believe?

Does the Right control every facet of society?  Fuck no. The Left does.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2022, 06:15:28 PM
Here's some honesty. IMHO I think you've allowed your wife and her family to give credence to Leftist principles that intend to subjugate us all, including you.  In the name of keeping the peace and having an air of tolerance and open mindedness.
I have allowed my wife and her family to convince me that not all liberals are stupid, but that's it.

Can you actually say that you believe that NOBODY on the right ever lies?
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Anthony on January 17, 2022, 06:30:01 PM
I have allowed my wife and her family to convince me that not all liberals are stupid, but that's it.

Can you actually say that you believe that NOBODY on the right ever lies?

Never said that.   However, the Right doesn't have the megaphone of MEDIA, Tech, Government, Corporate, etc. So their lies become reality to many if not most today.

It's Fascist Germany all over again without the Jews in cattle cars. We're the new Jews.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2022, 06:41:12 PM
Never said that.   However, the Right doesn't have the megaphone of MEDIA, Tech, Government, Corporate, etc. So their lies become reality to many if not most today.

It's Fascist Germany all over again without the Jews in cattle cars. We're the new Jews.
None of anything I said had to do with the media, tech, government, corporate etc.  I think you and I agree on those things.  This whole discussion was about something else and I'm not going to rehash it online. I'm not going to go chasing my tail responding to every misconception.   You can PM me if you want to discuss it further.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Number7 on January 17, 2022, 06:57:47 PM
None of anything I said had to do with the media, tech, government, corporate etc.  I think you and I agree on those things.  This whole discussion was about something else and I'm not going to rehash it online. I'm not going to go chasing my tail responding to every misconception.   You can PM me if you want to discuss it further.

Hahahahahahaha....
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: nddons on January 17, 2022, 07:03:40 PM
I agree that there are very few lies, relatively speaking, from the right.  But, . . .
never mind.
Wow, that was frighteningly Bidenesque.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2022, 07:07:27 PM
Wow, that was frighteningly Bidenesque.
Not really.  As I was typing, I remembered that I said I was not going to discuss this topic anymore.  But like I said to Anthony, if you want to discuss it further, you can PM me.
Title: Re: Vaccinated Dying at Roughly Three TimesThe Rate of Unvaxed…
Post by: nddons on January 17, 2022, 07:36:27 PM
Not really.  As I was typing, I remembered that I said I was not going to discuss this topic anymore.  But like I said to Anthony, if you want to discuss it further, you can PM me.
I don’t care what you have to say about that. I can probably guess. But my point is your delivery of that line, with a pause and a “never mind,” is a very frequent verbal crutch that Biden uses when he catches himself about to criticize Trump, or say something stupid, or forgets what he’s trying to say.