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Pilot Zone => Accident Review/Never Again (I hope..) => Topic started by: Anthony on May 09, 2020, 06:21:50 AM

Title: Was Scott Crossfield's death a SUICIDE?
Post by: Anthony on May 09, 2020, 06:21:50 AM
This "crash" has always bothered me all these years.  He died in 2006, so 14 years ago.  As pilots we always look for logical answers to accidents and deaths in aviation.  Partly, I think, to quell our fears that it could "happen to us". 

Crossfield was one of the best pilots the U.S. has ever produced.  The guy had an impeccable record, but did his ego get the better of him, or was his flight in IMC into severe, convective activity a blunder, or the purposeful act of an 84 year old man wanting to go out "on top".   Or could it been his advanced age?  Embedded thunderstorms are one of my greatest fears, and I was relieved when flying out West due to the 100 mile visibility and the ability to see thunderstorms from far away.  Now back in the East, same old crap with haze, clouds, overcast and towering cumulus.  Ugh.  What say you?

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The airplane flew into an area of severe thunderstorms identified as a mesoscale convective system (or "MCS") with intense to extreme intensities during cruise flight at 11,000 feet then descended rapidly and impacted the terrain. The on-scene investigation revealed no preimpact mechanical malfunctions or anomalies that would have prevented the normal operation of the airplane or its systems.

The airplane entered the severe convective weather; the pilot then requested and received clearance from the air traffic controller to initiate a turn to escape the weather. The airplane was lost from radar about 30 seconds after the pilot initiated the turn. Before the airplane entered the weather, the controller's radar scope depicted a band of moderate to extreme weather along the accident airplane's projected flightpath that was consistent with an embedded, heavy-precipitation, supercell-type thunderstorm; however, the controller did not provide the pilot with any severe weather advisories and did not advise the pilot of the weather depicted on his radar scope.

Although Federal Aviation Administration directives state that controllers should give first priority to separating aircraft and issuing safety alerts, the directives further state that controllers should use good judgment and first perform the action that is most critical from a safety standpoint. Review of air traffic communications and radar data identified no air traffic control (ATC) radar limitations, no excessive traffic, no radio frequency congestion, and no controller workload issues that would have prevented the controller from issuing pertinent weather information to the accident pilot. On the basis of the controller's workload and available resources, he should have recognized that the adverse weather represented an immediate safety hazard to the accident flight and should have provided appropriate advisories to the pilot.

The pilot obtained several weather briefings before departure. At that time, the current weather along the route of flight showed significant convective activity and a moving squall line, and the forecast predicted significant thunderstorm activity along the planned route of flight. The pilot also discussed the weather with an acquaintance, mentioning that he might need to work his way around some weather. On the basis of the weather information obtained by the pilot and his comments regarding the weather, the pilot was aware before departure that he would likely encounter adverse weather along the planned route of flight; however, by the time the airplane encountered the weather, the pilot had been airborne for over an hour and had not requested any updated weather information from air traffic controllers. The airplane was equipped with a BF Goodrich WX-950 Stormscope, which has some ability to depict the location and frequency of lightning strikes in the vicinity of the airplane; however, the investigation could not determine if and how this equipment may have been used during the flight. The airplane was not configured to display satellite weather information on its global positioning systems.

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Title: Re: Was Scott Crossfield's death a SUICIDE?
Post by: TimRB on May 09, 2020, 09:07:20 AM
I doubt that it was a suicide.  According to the NTSB report, he got five weather briefings just prior to the accident flight and discussed the weather with a friend.  In that conversation he evidently indicated that he thought the weather was manageable.  During the flight he was talking to ATC all the way, right up until a few minutes before he disappeared from radar.  He specifically requested a deviation for weather, and in the time from 1101 to 1109 apparently went from 11,000 feet to 1,500 feet.  He was not advised of the extremely severe weather by ATC, nor did he request updates enroute. 

To me, it appears to be a case where a pilot flew into adverse weather that turned out to be much worse than he anticipated.

Tim
Title: Re: Was Scott Crossfield's death a SUICIDE?
Post by: Little Joe on May 09, 2020, 09:16:38 AM
What did he have on the Clinton's?

(sorry, this wasn't funny, but that was the first thing I thought of when I read the thread title).
Title: Re: Was Scott Crossfield's death a SUICIDE?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 09, 2020, 09:50:45 AM
What did he have on the Clinton's?

(sorry, this wasn't funny, but that was the first thing I thought of when I read the thread title).

metoo

sadly...
Title: Re: Was Scott Crossfield's death a SUICIDE?
Post by: Anthony on May 09, 2020, 01:48:03 PM
I doubt that it was a suicide.  According to the NTSB report, he got five weather briefings just prior to the accident flight and discussed the weather with a friend.  In that conversation he evidently indicated that he thought the weather was manageable.  During the flight he was talking to ATC all the way, right up until a few minutes before he disappeared from radar.  He specifically requested a deviation for weather, and in the time from 1101 to 1109 apparently went from 11,000 feet to 1,500 feet.  He was not advised of the extremely severe weather by ATC, nor did he request updates enroute. 

To me, it appears to be a case where a pilot flew into adverse weather that turned out to be much worse than he anticipated.

Tim

I agree.  Maybe he just got complacent.  When I first heard about this, I've always wondered how such a good pilot could allow himself to get into weather like that.  Such a tragedy.  However, the guy that wrote the Mountain Flying bible, Sparky Imeson, died mountain flying.  Of course he did it for years and years without killing himself, but that is how he died.

Was Sparky Imeson's death a suicide?     Just kidding!   
Title: Re: Was Scott Crossfield's death a SUICIDE?
Post by: Steingar on May 11, 2020, 06:40:54 AM
What I recall hearing (from Rod Machado no less) was he had some get-there-itis.  Somewhere he wanted to be, don't recall the where or what.
Title: Re: Was Scott Crossfield's death a SUICIDE?
Post by: nddons on May 13, 2020, 08:26:05 AM
That happened 5 months after I got my ASEL in North Carolina. Scared the crap out of me, and I stayed on the ground if there were broken clouds at 10,000’.  (Ok, slight exaggeration.)

I got my IR in 2010 and learned a lot more about weather during that training.
Title: Re: Was Scott Crossfield's death a SUICIDE?
Post by: Anthony on May 13, 2020, 10:15:27 AM
That happened 5 months after I got my ASEL in North Carolina. Scared the crap out of me, and I stayed on the ground if there were broken clouds at 10,000’.  (Ok, slight exaggeration.)

I got my IR in 2010 and learned a lot more about weather during that training.

Sparky Imeson died not long after I took the Colorado Pilots Association Mountain Flying Course and started mountain flying by myself.  I had read his book also.  It thought if HE could kill himself in the mountains, I was probably a dead man just by looking at them from by back deck.  I got over it too. 
Title: Re: Was Scott Crossfield's death a SUICIDE?
Post by: Jaybird180 on August 07, 2021, 11:10:18 AM
What I recall hearing (from Rod Machado no less) was he had some get-there-itis.  Somewhere he wanted to be, don't recall the where or what.
I read that he was going to pickup his wife.