PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Mase on May 03, 2016, 05:43:40 PM
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"Suspending" his campaign.
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That should about do it for the Republican nomination. Kasich is technically still in but obviously doesn't have a shot unless there's a contested convention. He may be holding out for the VP nod.
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That should about do it for the Republican nomination. Kasich is technically still in but obviously doesn't have a shot unless there's a contested convention. He may be holding out for the VP nod.
With Cruz out, I can't see any way of Kasich preventing Trump from getting the required number of delegates.
It's time to mend fences and go after Hillary.
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With Cruz out, I can't see any way of Kasich preventing Trump from getting the required number of delegates.
It's time to mend fences and go after Hillary.
Trump has a lot of work to do to mend fences and unite the party. I said in another thread that if Trump became the nominee we'd have to see how many people will switch their support to Trump vs. stay on the #NeverTrump campaign. Now we'll see how that plays out.
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Trump has a lot of work to do to mend fences and unite the party. I said in another thread that if Trump became the nominee we'd have to see how many people will switch their support to Trump vs. stay on the #NeverTrump campaign. Now we'll see how that plays out.
Except for the rigid ideologues and the hard core establishment, now that the focus can be on November and defeating Hillary I think a change will be seen.
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Trump has a lot of work to do to mend fences and unite the party. I said in another thread that if Trump became the nominee we'd have to see how many people will switch their support to Trump vs. stay on the #NeverTrump campaign. Now we'll see how that plays out.
True. I know many Rs that left the party because McCain selected Palin for VP. Talk about an over-reaction!!! But some people really will cut off their noses to spite their face. (Do young people still know remember that or know what it means)?
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True. I know many Rs that left the party because McCain selected Palin for VP. Talk about an over-reaction!!! But some people really will cut off their noses to spite their face. (Do young people still know remember that or know what it means)?
If some Republicans choose not to vote for Trump, that doesn't mean they're sell outs or what have you, they may be standing on principle. Some people genuinely don't think that Trump is a conservative and don't want to vote for him because of that. These are the people that Trump now has to win over and attacking them isn't a good way to do it. It will likely only strengthen their resolve to not vote for him.
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Just came home from dinner with WifeyGimp and DaughterGimp and saw the news - want to say that Cruz's decision to suspend is a very mature thing to have done and I am actually surprised he did it. I fully expected him to lose today but I did not in any way foresee him suspending even with a humiliating loss - I suspect that the potential damage to the Party and the process as well as his political future was becoming too clear to ignore.
This is the best course of action for the Republican Party based on where things are/have gone and especially given the voice of the voter in this cycle.
Now Trump has to work to reach out to all those who doubt his bonafides, the other guys (including the Right media) have to solidify behind him, and everyone needs to forgive the negativity and mend fences to build a campaign to defeat Hillary since the FBI's probably won't be done with their investigation until after she would be able to pardon herself, coincidentally of course.
I realize there will be folks who can't/won't support him, and I understand and accept that.
'Gimp
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Just came home from dinner with WifeyGimp and DaughterGimp and saw the news - want to say that Cruz's decision to suspend is a very mature thing to have done and I am actually surprised he did it. I fully expected him to lose today but I did not in any way foresee him suspending even with a humiliating loss - I suspect that the potential damage to the Party and the process as well as his political future was becoming too clear to ignore.
This is the best course of action for the Republican Party based on where things are/have gone and especially given the voice of the voter in this cycle.
Now Trump has to work to reach out to all those who doubt his bonafides, the other guys (including the Right media) have to solidify behind him, and everyone needs to forgive the negativity and mend fences to build a campaign to defeat Hillary since the FBI's probably won't be done with their investigation until after she would be able to pardon herself, coincidentally of course.
I realize there will be folks who can't/won't support him, and I understand and accept that.
'Gimp
Nice sentiment. "...everyone needs to forgive the negativity and mend fences..." Really.
Is accusing Cruz' father of being involved in JFK's assassination, on the morning of the Indiana Primary, just "negativity?" Is this just a big joke, and something to be laughed off so Trump can expect the 60% of the GOP voters who DIDN'T vote for him to just fall in line like good Hitler youth?
Trump has ripped the entrails out of my former party. Whatever happens now will be on him. And you. And the rest of his supporters.
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Nice sentiment. "...everyone needs to forgive the negativity and mend fences..." Really.
Is accusing Cruz' father of being involved in JFK's assassination, on the morning of the Indiana Primary, just "negativity?" Is this just a big joke, and something to be laughed off so Trump can expect the 60% of the GOP voters who DIDN'T vote for him to just fall in line like good Hitler youth?
Trump has ripped the entrails out of my former party. Whatever happens now will be on him. And you. And the rest of his supporters.
Stan I get the disappointment, I do.
But Trump is a symptom not the cause, IMO. The RNC and the Establishment brought this on themselves through their mismanagement of the last several campaigns and a complete failure to do anything positive with recent historic electoral victories. Boehner, McConnell, now even Ryan - they have failed to effectively oppose Obama and the Dem's - and the average Joe and Jill Six-pack have simply had enough. That is why I left the party a year or so ago, spineless weenies. So I get the aggravation and disappointment.
Whatever happens now will be on all of us, what we do or don't do, what we say or don't say - just like it was yesterday, and the day before that - and that includes you, Jihad Jeff and everyone else. If you stay home, or vote 3rd party it is just as much on you as if you voted for Hillary, same as if I stayed at home if your guy had won the nomination and I wasn't happy - or when I (and millions of others) voted Perot the 1st time. And you know if Cruz stayed in and somehow managed to pull ahead on the 3rd or 4th vote in a contested convention you and others would make the same demand of Trump's supporters. Since I have plainly stated I might stay home if Cruz were to 'steal' the nomination I get it, and I am not passing judgement, we each have to act in accordance with our conscience.
Make no mistake though, your guy failed to close the deal with enough Primary voters to secure the nomination or even have any direct legitimate path to the nomination, and that is in the party that by any measure is the best match to Cruz's strengths - that is on him and his campaign and they'll have ample time to conduct a post-mortem.
The only thing I would urge you or others is to not lash out at the voters themselves, they made their choices based on the information they had and in the context of their beliefs, hopes and aspirations - the failure or success, such as it is, is on the campaigns for being able to recognize and speak to those beliefs, hopes and aspirations, or not.
'Gimp
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The only thing I would urge you or others is to not lash out at the voters themselves, they made their choices based on the information they had and in the context of their beliefs, hopes and aspirations - the failure or success, such as it is, is on the campaigns for being able to recognize and speak to those beliefs, hopes and aspirations, or not.
No, the voters who went for Trump had no information. They voted purely out of spite, and now the entire concept of conservatism in the US is doomed.
Early in January, Schumer and Pelosi will take over Congress. Later in the month, Clinton will be sworn in. And I blame Trump's voters for that. Don't like being blamed for it? I don't much give a shit. If you don't do stupid things, you won't be blamed for it.
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No, the voters who went for Trump had no information. They voted purely out of spite, and now the entire concept of conservatism in the US is doomed.
Early in January, Schumer and Pelosi will take over Congress. Later in the month, Clinton will be sworn in. And I blame Trump's voters for that. Don't like being blamed for it? I don't much give a shit. If you don't do stupid things, you won't be blamed for it.
Sour grapes. I predict a landslide for the Rs such that it will be too much of a good thing. You know, when the pendulum swings too far in one direction or the other.
We will see. 187 days and counting . . .
https://days.to/election-day-in-us/2016
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My guy didn't win so I'm going to take my ball and go home. ::)
Is it not possible that people just don't like Cruz? If his message was so good wouldn't more people have voted for him? He got plenty of exposure. I can remember where Hannity had his staff add up the amount of exposure he gave each candidate and Cruz was on top. Rush has been pushing Cruz for weeks now, he might as well have endorsed him although we know he doesn't do endorsements ::)
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Is accusing Cruz' father of being involved in JFK's assassination, on the morning of the Indiana Primary, just "negativity?" Is this just a big joke, and something to be laughed off so Trump can expect the 60% of the GOP voters who DIDN'T vote for him to just fall in line like good Hitler youth?
Trump has ripped the entrails out of my former party. Whatever happens now will be on him. And you. And the rest of his supporters.
I could never bring myself to vote for someone who thinks we need to "take out" the families of terrorists, or seems to revel in the telling of a story summary execution of prisoners in the most humiliating manner. Or when asked if he thinks he could get get officers to follow illegal orders, says "Don't worry - they'll follow my orders."
What worries me is that it seems a significant chuck of the voting populace might actually favor all of the above.
We've seen this movie before, and it turned out horribly. Cue Santayana.
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Trump has ripped the entrails out of my former party. Whatever happens now will be on him. And you. And the rest of his supporters.
It was already emasculated. It needs to be torn down then rebuilt with some big balls.
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My guy didn't win so I'm going to take my ball and go home. ::)
Is it not possible that people just don't like Cruz? If his message was so good wouldn't more people have voted for him? He got plenty of exposure. I can remember where Hannity had his staff add up the amount of exposure he gave each candidate and Cruz was on top. Rush has been pushing Cruz for weeks now, he might as well have endorsed him although we know he doesn't do endorsements ::)
Cruz was ineligible to be President by virtue of his country of birth.
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Cruz was ineligible to be President by virtue of his country of birth.
His dad being on the grassy knoll on that day in Dallas certainly didn't help, either!
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His dad being on the grassy knoll on that day in Dallas certainly didn't help, either!
I think Rafael Cruz was the one who planted the charges in the twin towers for 9/11.
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My guy didn't win so I'm going to take my ball and go home. ::)
Is it not possible that people just don't like Cruz? If his message was so good wouldn't more people have voted for him? He got plenty of exposure. I can remember where Hannity had his staff add up the amount of exposure he gave each candidate and Cruz was on top. Rush has been pushing Cruz for weeks now, he might as well have endorsed him although we know he doesn't do endorsements ::)
I saw that segment on Hannity, and it was an utter and complete lie. As a former heavy duty Fox watcher, I saw with my own eyes the massive amount of coverage give to Trump compared to anyone else. Did Cruz have Fox cameras trained in his airplane whenever he got off the plane? No. But Trump did.
Rush never challenged the lack of conservative bonafides of Trump which aided Trump into becoming the front runner. For Rush to find religion in the top of the 9th inning is pathetic. The damage is done.
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My guy didn't win so I'm going to take my ball and go home. ::)
There may be some of this but I think it's more that conservatives are not sold on Trump, who is certainly not conservative, and are hesitant to vote for him. Trump has a lot of work to do to unite the party.
Is it not possible that people just don't like Cruz? If his message was so good wouldn't more people have voted for him? He got plenty of exposure. I can remember where Hannity had his staff add up the amount of exposure he gave each candidate and Cruz was on top. Rush has been pushing Cruz for weeks now, he might as well have endorsed him although we know he doesn't do endorsements ::)
I'm not sure if it's that people don't like him or they are just so sick of the political class as a whole that Cruz, being a politician (conservative or not), got lumped in with the rest of them. Trump isn't an elected official and that went a long way to helping him, combined with the fact that he was able to successfully tap into the discontent and anger of many of the voters. Clearly not enough liked Cruz's message to vote for him.
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Cruz was ineligible to be President by virtue of his country of birth.
That's incorrect and has been argued at length by legal scholars already, the vast majority of whom do believe he is eligible.
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There may be some of this but I think it's more that conservatives are not sold on Trump, who is certainly not conservative, and are hesitant to vote for him. Trump has a lot of work to do to unite the party.
I'm not sure if it's that people don't like him or they are just so sick of the political class as a whole that Cruz, being a politician (conservative or not), got lumped in with the rest of them. Trump isn't an elected official and that went a long way to helping him, combined with the fact that he was able to successfully tap into the discontent and anger of many of the voters. Clearly not enough liked Cruz's message to vote for him.
^^^ This.
Trump is going to have conduct a lot of outreach since he clearly can not take any support from the Conservative wing for granted or as a given regardless of the stakes with SCOTUS, Executive overreach , etc. I am hopeful that he can and will make this effort and that it will be at least somewhat successful since it will take all hands on deck to beat Hillary by the margin of fraud.
But there will be folks who standing on their principles won't vote for him, that's their prerogative and everyone needs to recognize and respect that too, regardless of the cost.
'Gimp
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If we get Hillary we are screwed on every level, so if you don't vote for Trump, we will get:
Four, far left radical anti 1A, and anti 2A SCOTUS judges.
More PC fascism.
No economic growth, possible recession, or depression, and more job killing policies
More taxes
Less freedom, and liberty due to more government regulations and fees.
More bogus man made climate change schemes, regulations, and fees.
Higher energy costs
More divisive rhetoric, and pressure to further divide us along racial, gender, ethnic, economic, and religious lines.
MORE OBAMA.
Less influence worldwide.
Failing military, and foreign policy. (Think Benghazi, and Russian reset)
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Kind of funny.....
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If we get Hillary we are screwed on every level, so if you don't vote for Trump, we will get:
Four, far left radical anti 1A, and anti 2A SCOTUS judges.
As opposed to Trump, who wants to make it easier to sue people for libel (ie. 1A) and ban "assault weapons" (2A)
More PC fascism.
Trump is on the same side of the PC issues as Hillary. He has no issue with men hanging out in women's washrooms.
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No economic growth, possible recession, or depression, and more job killing policies
Trump is a big supporter of taking people's property away for his personal benefit.
[/size]More taxes
Trump has said that taxes should be increased on those who create jobs (ie. the filthy rich)
[/size]Less freedom, and liberty due to more government regulations and fees.
Trump loves regulation.
[/size]More bogus man made climate change schemes, regulations, and fees.
Trump has come out as a believer in AGW
[/size]Higher energy costs
Trump will do nothing to prevent, but his aggressive stance towards other countries will result in more expensive energy.
[/size]More divisive rhetoric, and pressure to further divide us along racial, gender, ethnic, economic, and religious lines.
Saying that anyone will be more divisive that Trump shows a rather severe case of wilfull blindness.
[/size]MORE OBAMA.
Less influence worldwide.
Trumps bomb and torture policy will kill whatever influence remains rather rapidly.
[/size]Failing military, and foreign policy. (Think Benghazi, and Russian reset)
Yep, bomb everyone, that'll certainly make relations better.
So, tell me, why is Trump better than Hillary? On all of these issues, he's at least as bad.
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All I can say is, nice going all you guys that actually got to vote in primaries, real nice going! Now we have nothing. >:( Seriously, out of all those candidates, Cruz and Trump were the most attractive??!! We are so screwed. Either Hillary or Trump and we're screwed. I'm going to have to unplug all my media inputs until 2020 if I want to keep my sanity.
Come on surprise brokered convention, come on!! You can do it!!
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All I can say is, nice going all you guys that actually got to vote in primaries, real nice going! Now we have nothing. >:( Seriously, out of all those candidates, Cruz and Trump were the most attractive??!! We are so screwed. Either Hillary or Trump and we're screwed. I'm going to have to unplug all my media inputs until 2020 if I want to keep my sanity.
Come on surprise brokered convention, come on!! You can do it!!
At this point, a brokered or contested convention would do more harm than good. I'm not a fan of Trump but with Cruz and Kasich both dropping out, Trump has won the primaries and is the presumptive nominee. If that's taken away from him by the RNC, the Republicans will not win the White House in November.
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All I can say is, nice going all you guys that actually got to vote in primaries, real nice going! Now we have nothing. >:( Seriously, out of all those candidates, Cruz and Trump were the most attractive??!! We are so screwed. Either Hillary or Trump and we're screwed. I'm going to have to unplug all my media inputs until 2020 if I want to keep my sanity.
Come on surprise brokered convention, come on!! You can do it!!
https://youtu.be/uFN_tBT-xZE
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At this point, a brokered or contested convention would do more harm than good. I'm not a fan of Trump but with Cruz and Kasich both dropping out, Trump has won the primaries and is the presumptive nominee. If that's taken away from him by the RNC, the Republicans will not win the White House in November.
At this point, I'm not sure who I want to win. With Hillary Clinton, she is an open book. I pretty much know exactly what I'm going to get. Another four years of what we've had. Advancement towards becoming an EU member state and further reduction of the constitution and the way America was. With Trump who the hell knows??
The man makes the narcism in Obama look amateur. Trump does what is best for Trump's agenda... whatever that is. Trump does not really know the Constitution and really couldn't care less. He knows he can either get around it, or thinks he can have it changed if need be. Who knows what he really wants? Who knows what a great America looks like to him? He will say and do whatever it takes to get what he wants.
That's the "art of the deal". Do what it takes to get what you want. Of course it won't be what he wants because he will have the Democrats and half the Republicans against him, but with a cellphone and a pen, he might be able to change that. Trump might be just regular political chaos and stagnation like we've had, or he could be WWIII. Guys like him have been known to think big picture, perhaps bigger than his supporters imagine.
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As this unfolds over the next few months, we will come to know Trump much better. We already know everything we need to know about Hillary.
We will able to tell a lot about the Donald by who he chooses for advisors, who will be in his cabinet, who he announces he will wants for the Court, who he wants for VP. He may just not be the loose cannon many fear.
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As this unfolds over the next few months, we will come to know Trump much better. We already know everything we need to know about Hillary.
We will able to tell a lot about the Donald by who he chooses for advisors, who will be in his cabinet, who he announces he will wants for the Court, who he wants for VP. He may just not be the loose cannon many fear.
It's 1980 all over again. Reagan was stupid, enept and didn't know anything, he was an actor for god's sake! Reagan will be another Hitler. Reagan will start WW3. Doom and Gloom.
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It's 1980 all over again. Reagan was stupid, enept and didn't know anything, he was an actor for god's sake! Reagan will be another Hitler. Reagan will start WW3. Doom and Gloom.
Exactly. My wife thinks Trump will start WWIII and we will all die in a nuclear holocaust. She is not old enough to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis. I was very, very young, but barely remember the bomb shelter conversations with my parents, and their friends at dinner parties. MAD saved us, and hopefully will save us again, but we are battling an adversary that doesn't even value their own lives, so my wife may be correct.
I hope Trump does not allow his emotions to run his decisions should he be elected. If Hillary is President, I just think she will get steam rolled by our enemies. Trump will be the opposite, but maybe to our detriment also. He is a good businessman, and good business is not done with emotion.
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It's 1980 all over again. Reagan was stupid, enept and didn't know anything, he was an actor for god's sake! Reagan will be another Hitler. Reagan will start WW3. Doom and Gloom.
Reagan was also a governor.
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It's 1980 all over again. Reagan was stupid, enept and didn't know anything, he was an actor for god's sake! Reagan will be another Hitler. Reagan will start WW3. Doom and Gloom.
Trump is no Reagan.
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I hope Trump does not allow his emotions to run his decisions should he be elected.
And how has he demonstrated in any way his ability to do this?
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And how has he demonstrated in any way his ability to do this?
By making solid, calculated, logical business decisions worldwide.
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By making solid, calculated, logical business decisions worldwide.
Like buying the Taj Mahal?
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Reagan was also a governor.
Reasonable people knew that and saw that, but we were bombarded daily with all the bad things that would happen with Reagan. "He's too old, he's senile" was another mantra.
And we even heard the same BS "Well, at least with Carter we know what we will get".
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Like buying the Taj Mahal?
For every Taj Mahal he has hundreds of successful properties. I am in the commercial real estate development/management business. Not every property works out even with the best analysis possible. They are still just projections based on the best assumptions you can use, but sometimes it doesn't work out, just like in every other business.
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At this point, I'm not sure who I want to win. With Hillary Clinton, she is an open book. I pretty much know exactly what I'm going to get. Another four years of what we've had. Advancement towards becoming an EU member state and further reduction of the constitution and the way America was.
So you will vote for someone that you KNOW the stagnant (at best) economy -as a key part of "Fundamental Transformation"- will accelerate under Clinton is the "best" choice?
What a fool.
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Like buying the Taj Mahal?
What has Hitlery accomplished?
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By making solid, calculated, logical business decisions worldwide.
Yep, his performance has almost matched the S&P 500 with what he was given by his daddy.
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Yep, his performance has almost matched the S&P 500 with what he was given by his daddy.
And along the way how many jobs has he created. What does he pay in property taxes? I guess you believe he should have just sat on the money, invested it and lived happily ever after. What a dumb argument.
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What has Hitlery accomplished?
In fairness, she and Bill have put together a remarkably effective money laundering scam, err, I mean Clinton Family Foundation and have accumulated a substantial amount of wealth as a result. Pales in comparison to Trump but nothing to sneeze at.
And she did turn $10K into $100K on pork belly futures or some other nonsense. ;^)
'Gimp
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And along the way how many jobs has he created. What does he pay in property taxes? I guess you believe he should have just sat on the money, invested it and lived happily ever after. What a dumb argument.
Consider the source.
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And along the way how many jobs has he created. What does he pay in property taxes? I guess you believe he should have just sat on the money, invested it and lived happily ever after. What a dumb argument.
He'd be farther ahead, and have created more jobs, if he'd invested in an S&P 500 index fund. That's not "success".
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In fairness, she and Bill have put together a remarkably effective money laundering scam, err, I mean Clinton Family Foundation and have accumulated a substantial amount of wealth as a result. Pales in comparison to Trump but nothing to sneeze at.
And she did turn $10K into $100K on pork belly futures or some other nonsense. ;^)
'Gimp
She has shown considerably better Return on Investment than Trump has.
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I get it, y'alls fucking guy lost so you'll now just spend all of your time finding anything you can about Trump. At the rate we're going here I'll soon be not checking this site as it will become the "anti-Trump because our guy wasn't able to get enough votes to compete board".
Let me put this to you, "your fucking guy lost, get over it"
Why did he drop out? Didn't he just get done the day before telling some interviewer that he intended to be the nominee of the party? I guess he didn't really believe it after all. Must have just been trying to scam us. I'm sure he felt he was entitled to the nomination, God's chosen conservative. Guess what he got beat, in fact ever since Wisconsin he got slaughtered.
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In fairness, she and Bill have put together a remarkably effective money laundering scam, err, I mean Clinton Family Foundation and have accumulated a substantial amount of wealth as a result. Pales in comparison to Trump but nothing to sneeze at.
And she did turn $10K into $100K on pork belly futures or some other nonsense. ;^)
'Gimp
Winning!
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I get it, y'alls fucking guy lost so you'll now just spend all of your time finding anything you can about Trump. At the rate we're going here I'll soon be not checking this site as it will become the "anti-Trump because our guy wasn't able to get enough votes to compete board".
Let me put this to you, "your fucking guy lost, get over it"
Why did he drop out? Didn't he just get done the day before telling some interviewer that he intended to be the nominee of the party? I guess he didn't really believe it after all. Must have just been trying to scam us. I'm sure he felt he was entitled to the nomination, God's chosen conservative. Guess what he got beat, in fact ever since Wisconsin he got slaughtered.
It would be nice if Trump supporters acknowledged his flip flops so I didn't have to. Certainly the democrats will.
I keep hearing about how high the stakes are and why I need to get on the Trump wagon. Do you really think none of this matters?
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So you will vote for someone that you KNOW the stagnant (at best) economy -as a key part of "Fundamental Transformation"- will accelerate under Clinton is the "best" choice?
What a fool.
No, I pretty clearly stated that I would not be voting for Clinton. I also won't be voting for Trump. It is for the people in swing states to decide. My vote doesn't matter here in California. I was stating that I was not sure who I would like to see win. I'm still not sure. It's tragic either way.
The fools are the ones that helped Trump get where he is now. The ones that blindly supported him based on terrible speeches and ridiculous rhetoric, then asked no questions about specifics. Even when his claims were examined and proven to be horse crap, like how he would balance the budget, they said "I don't care. He's not establishment." and here we are now, with two terrible options for president.
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What has Hitlery accomplished?
Nothing good. Point being??
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And she did turn $10K into $100K on pork belly futures or some other nonsense. ;^)
'Gimp
That was some crooked 'investment' deal between the (former) carpetbagger-senator from NY with the (now) carpetbagger-governor of VA.
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It would be nice if Trump supporters acknowledged his flip flops so I didn't have to. Certainly the democrats will.
I keep hearing about how high the stakes are and why I need to get on the Trump wagon. Do you really think none of this matters?
This is the part I really don't get at all. When push comes to shove, conservatives keep saying the most important thing in this election is the Supreme Court nominees. Yet they did not vote that way in the primaries. It was all about a Mexican wall, "Make America great", anti-estabishment, a BS scheme to balance the budget, keep the Syrians out, blow up ISIS somehow and a load of wurgunna, wurgunna and yuuuge.
Given the choices we are now facing in November, clearly the potential Supreme Court nominees are not as dire as conservatives make it out to be. If it were, they would have voted otherwise.
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No, I pretty clearly stated that I would not be voting for Clinton. I also won't be voting for Trump. It is for the people in swing states to decide. My vote doesn't matter here in California. I was stating that I was not sure who I would like to see win. I'm still not sure. It's tragic either way.
The fools are the ones that helped Trump get where he is now. The ones that blindly supported him based on terrible speeches and ridiculous rhetoric, then asked no questions about specifics. Even when his claims were examined and proven to be horse crap, like how he would balance the budget, they said "I don't care. He's not establishment." and here we are now, with two terrible options for president.
Abraham Lincoln would lose to Hillary. Hillary believes that this is her turn, the rightful heiress to the Crown. As I've said, I'd vote for Bozo Schultz before letting her park her fat pantsuit in the Oval Office. I am convinced that a Hillary presidency will result in civil war. Trump might be the ultimate showman, but he's gotten the attention of the electorate and he has solid accomplishments in life. His positions over his life have been remarkably stable (check out old interviews). He's a pragmatist, just what we need to counter the ideologues of the Left.
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This is the part I really don't get at all. When push comes to shove, conservatives keep saying the most important thing in this election is the Supreme Court nominees. Yet they did not vote that way in the primaries. It was all about a Mexican wall, "Make America great", anti-estabishment, a BS scheme to balance the budget, keep the Syrians out, blow up ISIS somehow and a load of wurgunna, wurgunna and yuuuge.
Given the choices we are now facing in November, clearly the potential Supreme Court nominees are not as dire as conservatives make it out to be. If it were, they would have voted otherwise.
NO ONE in the republican field stood a chance of defeating Hillary on the purity of their conservative bona fides. This country has spun too far to the Left to elect a "true" conservative. Cruz may have passed some litmus test, but ultimately he didn't have the pizzazz to overcome the Clinton Machine. If he couldn't overcome Trump, what chance would he have against Cankles? She'll get the female vote just because she has (purportedly) a vagina. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
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It would be nice if Trump supporters acknowledged his flip flops so I didn't have to. Certainly the democrats will.
I keep hearing about how high the stakes are and why I need to get on the Trump wagon. Do you really think none of this matters?
I acknowledge his "weaknesses". He is further left than I like. But at least he is to the right of Hillary. And he is (very surprisingly) electable, as opposed to the rest of the GOP pretenders.
And at least most of his flips have been to the right rather than to the left.
You and Jeff keep referring to the "Trumpkins" as blind followers. But you just refuse to see the truth. Most of us, at least as far as I can tell, merely prefer him over the other candidates. And most of what you call "blind support" is merely us refuting your ad-nauseous hyper criticisms of anything Trump. You say he is the Devil and we disagree and you say we are blind followers. Think about it honestly and you will see I am right.
I do have hope for you Stan. Think about what I said.
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This is the part I really don't get at all. When push comes to shove, conservatives keep saying the most important thing in this election is the Supreme Court nominees. Yet they did not vote that way in the primaries. It was all about a Mexican wall, "Make America great", anti-estabishment, a BS scheme to balance the budget, keep the Syrians out, blow up ISIS somehow and a load of wurgunna, wurgunna and yuuuge.
Given the choices we are now facing in November, clearly the potential Supreme Court nominees are not as dire as conservatives make it out to be. If it were, they would have voted otherwise.
Almost completely correct. The only thing to note is that not all Republicans are conservatives, and not all conservatives are Republicans. Ergo, many who voted for Trump as the GOP nominee were NOT conservatives.
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I acknowledge his "weaknesses". He is further left than I like. But at least he is to the right of Hillary. And he is (very surprisingly) electable, as opposed to the rest of the GOP pretenders.
And at least most of his flips have been to the right rather than to the left.
You and Jeff keep referring to the "Trumpkins" as blind followers. But you just refuse to see the truth. Most of us, at least as far as I can tell, merely prefer him over the other candidates. And most of what you call "blind support" is merely us refuting your ad-nauseous hyper criticisms of anything Trump. You say he is the Devil and we disagree and you say we are blind followers. Think about it honestly and you will see I am right.
I do have hope for you Stan. Think about what I said.
For the record, I don't believe that I have used the Trumpkins term, as I understand it's a pejorative, even though I would have been fine on using it for one Trump fan in particular.
As I said, I don't have a dog in the fight any more. But I do have a strong vested interest in what happens to my country, my party (if it still exists) and the Conservative movement. I have paid too much money, logged too many phone bank hours, and attended too many rallies to shit that all away. And I have a 28-year old daughter and I'm worried what will be left of this country once I'm gone.
So I'm more than a little concerned when I see people simply abandon principles, decorum, facts, and what is right and wrong just to log a win in November.
Sometimes you have to eat a shit sandwich in your support of "your" candidate. I get that. I should have abandoned GWB in his second election when it turned out that "Compassionate Conservative" meant "Big Government Conservative."
I didn't like what Cruz did in Iowa, but I was willing to live with it because he was the most conservative candidate that we've put up since Ronald Reagan.
But had he accused Trump's dad of being involved with Lee Harvey Oswald, or accused Melania Trump of being a serial philanderer (he couldn't shame Donald as he's proud of it), or done a fraction of the personal destruction that Trump used in this campaign, I would have dropped him in a second. Why? Because that shit is flat out wrong. As a human being, trying to destroy your opponent's marriage and family, ESPECIALLY when you are already the "presumptive nominee," is just blood sport. I could never support someone who went that far. Obviously, many can. And we are poorer for it.
You and others may want me to sit in the corner and not say anything when I see lies being committed by Trump, in his hope to fool the voters. As I hope you understand, I can't do that.
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You and others may want me to sit in the corner and not say anything when I see lies being committed by Trump, in his hope to fool the voters. As I hope you understand, I can't do that.
Yesterday I heard him tell Wolf Blitzer that Hillary questioned Obama's birth status before he did.
Apparently also made up out of whole cloth.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/)
It's like he just says stuff.
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Yesterday I heard him tell Wolf Blitzer that Hillary questioned Obama's birth status before he did.
Apparently also made up out of whole cloth.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/)
It's like he just says stuff.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/26/washington-post-confirms-hillary-clinton-started-the-birther-movement/
'Gimp
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/26/washington-post-confirms-hillary-clinton-started-the-birther-movement/
'Gimp
Interesting the different slant different sources can put on a story.
Hard to weed out the real story.
If Breitbart is correct, I stand corrected.
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Interesting the different slant different sources can put on a story.
Hard to weed out the real story.
If Breitbart is correct, I stand corrected.
I had heard that too, so it wasn't Trump making things up on his own.
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Interesting the different slant different sources can put on a story.
Hard to weed out the real story.
If Breitbart is correct, I stand corrected.
Understood. The issue is that polished politicians like Hillary go to great lengths to obfuscate their involvement in things like the birther story, especially if it fails to achieve the desired effect - always going to be hard to 'prove'.
However, there are very clearly stories about this subject, dating back some time, and if Trump said he remembered reading something, even if that particular story were later retracted, corrected, etc., he is not lying if he said he remembers the story.
THAT is is the real problem with the current crop of attacks on the guy, in my opinion, they are themselves poorly or half-formed from half-truths and innuendo and only serve to perpetuate demonstrably false or at least arguably false storylines - unfortunately they are not coming from the usual suspects, that is, the activist LeftMedia complex or the Demcrats, but from erstwhile Republicans/big 'C" conservatives who are, it seems, more interested in continuing a failed jihad and lashing out than in attempting to bridge the gap with the presumed nominee for the party.
I get it since as I said I had to spend a lot of time considering what I would do depending on the outcome of the process, and it is still not over BTW, but I would expect and prefer a bit more maturity and rational fact-based discussion than this kind of stuff.
Certainly wouldn't be the first time that we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, sometimes seems as if many actually prefer it to be a minority party.
'Gimp
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I had heard that too, so it wasn't Trump making things up on his own.
So, Cruz's campaign, based on a published from CNN report that Ben Carson was going home, relayed that report: Liar.
Trump makes up some BS, and because BreitTrumpbart says it, he's absolutely justified.
Have I got that right?
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However, there are very clearly stories about this subject, dating back some time, and if Trump said he remembered reading something, even if that particular story were later retracted, corrected, etc., he is not lying if he said he remembers the story.
Like he remembered stories about thousands of Muslims on the streets on 9/11 cheering? Yet another made-up lie from Trump.
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So, Cruz's campaign, based on a published from CNN report that Ben Carson was going home, relayed that report: Liar.
Trump makes up some BS, and because BreitTrumpbart says it, he's absolutely justified.
Have I got that right?
What are you talking about?
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I knew Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was a friend of mine. Trump is no Reagan.
But he is a darn sight better than Hillary.
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But he is a darn sight better than Hillary.
low bar.
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low bar.
It is the only bar that will count, in November.
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I knew Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was a friend of mine. Trump is no Reagan.
But he is a darn sight better than Hillary.
You knew the Gipper?
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You knew the Gipper?
I believe that was a reference to this:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ5CIkSlUFI
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I believe that was a reference to this:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ5CIkSlUFI
Yeah, I know without looking. But I thought he really knew Dutch.
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So, Cruz's campaign, based on a published from CNN report that Ben Carson was going home, relayed that report: Liar.
Trump makes up some BS, and because BreitTrumpbart says it, he's absolutely justified.
Have I got that right?
“Last night when our political team saw the CNN post saying Dr. Carson was not carrying on to New Hampshire and South Carolina, our campaign updated the grassroots leaders just as we would with any breaking news story. That’s fair game,” Cruz said in a statement. “What the team should have done is send around the follow-up statement from the Carson campaign clarifying that he was indeed staying in the race when that came out. That was a mistake from our end, and for that I apologize to Dr. Carson.”
Why did Cruz apologize to Carson then including the highlighted portion?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/04/cruz-carson-email-trump-iowa-cnn/
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NO ONE in the republican field stood a chance of defeating Hillary on the purity of their conservative bona fides. This country has spun too far to the Left to elect a "true" conservative. Cruz may have passed some litmus test, but ultimately he didn't have the pizzazz to overcome the Clinton Machine. If he couldn't overcome Trump, what chance would he have against Cankles? She'll get the female vote just because she has (purportedly) a vagina. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Like I said, pizzaz ultimately was more important than the Supreme Court nominees to the republicans voting in the primaries. Also it seemed to me that protesting the "establishment" was a pretty high priority too. Now we have the pizzaz and the protest. I hope it all works out for the best somehow. I think Trump has a 50/50 chance of winning at this point. I personally think we a screwed either way, but one is a devil with an agenda I know and the other is devil that I have no idea what he's going to do, or try to do. I do know that he isn't likely to get much help from congress, so likely he will end up a "cellphone and pen" kind of president too.
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Precisely:
I would love to have met the Gipper in person, but it was not to be. But I did follow his career, he did things that were beneficial to me and my family, and I did consider him a friend of us ordinary folks.
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Like I said, pizzaz ultimately was more important than the Supreme Court nominees to the republicans voting in the primaries. Also it seemed to me that protesting the "establishment" was a pretty high priority too. Now we have the pizzaz and the protest. I hope it all works out for the best somehow. I think Trump has a 50/50 chance of winning at this point. I personally think we a screwed either way, but one is a devil with an agenda I know and the other is devil that I have no idea what he's going to do, or try to do. I do know that he isn't likely to get much help from congress, so likely he will end up a "cellphone and pen" kind of president too.
Let's wait and see. Between now and the election is his time to unite the party, reach out to conservatives and begin to work with congress. I don't hold a lot of confidence that he'll do any of those, but it's up to him to do that.
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One liners are great and all, but Benson and Dukakis got DESTROYED by Bush/Quail.
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Still wondering why Cruz dropped out? I thought he was amassing a great number of second ballot delegates so he could take this thing and that he had good states coming up?
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Still wondering why Cruz dropped out? I thought he was amassing a great number of second ballot delegates so he could take this thing and that he had good states coming up?
Look at the delegate map, and look at the polling. Even if Trump did average or slightly under performed, he would still get 1237 by June 7.
Cruz campaign had done extensive polling and statistical data and kept coming up with the same results. Cruz didn't want to get to June 7th and lose, so he dropped out.
I believe it was done to salvage his political career as his negatives were climbing and his advisors told him it was time to go.