Post by: Little Joe on January 09, 2018, 12:32:35 PM
This year I am going to go about it differently. We go out to eat quite a bit, and we travel as much as we can. Everywhere we go we see hard working, friendly people that make very little money. I usually tip these people rather generously already. But instead of donating to organized charities this year, I am going to boost my tip amounts. Many of those waiters, waitresses, FBO line guys, valets, etc are trying to raise kids and pay for education. And while most of them are very hard working, they generally get very little respect. I watched some asshole at a restaurant chew out the waitress for every little imagined failure or shortcoming until she was almost it tears and she was shaking when she came to my table. I doubled my $20 tip to $40 on our $100 meal. As we were leaving she followed us out to the car to offer it back as she was sure we made a mistake. When I assured her it was for her, I could see the joy in her eyes. It made both My wife and I as happy as it made her.
I'd much rather do this than give to the people standing on the street corner with cardboard signs asking for money while talking on their cell phones, or give to charities run by people driving a Mercedes.
I even give good tips to the rude service people (at least once or twice). Who knows, maybe they are rude because they are broke and have just been stiffed, or they are late with their rent payment.
Try it; you'll like it! And so will the hard working people that serve you.
Post by: Anthony on January 09, 2018, 01:06:07 PM
Seriously, that is a nice idea. Good for you.
Post by: Mr Pou on January 09, 2018, 01:29:30 PM
Post by: nddons on January 09, 2018, 04:11:04 PM
Post by: Rush on January 09, 2018, 05:27:07 PM
I tip the ladies in the restrooms at airports. I don't know if the men's rooms have them but some airports have "attendants" in the ladies rooms who stay there and direct you to an open stall and keep them clean and supplied with paper. Some rest stops have them too. I always tip, I cannot imagine the job of cleaning up after people's piss and shit - no wait - I did that too when I was in college, I was a janitor at a bar for many years, cleaning all the disgusting stuff in urinals and toilets.
Kids today should work waiting tables and cleaning public bathrooms to pay their way through college instead of taking big student loans and then wanting the government to forgive them at the cost to the taxpayer. Would teach these self entitled generations respect and work ethic and appreciation for their education and appreciation the rest of their lives for people who do these jobs.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 09, 2018, 05:39:47 PM
Post by: invflatspin on January 09, 2018, 06:03:40 PM
We went to Vegas about 5 years ago. Came in almost late for a show, asked the doorman for something up front and gave him a $50. We sat next to the stage. I heckled the guy unmercifully, and we were rolling with laughter.
Hosted some of my techs at work for a dinner for 11. The service was marginal. No water until asked, entrees came out with no planning, timing. Some of them were cool, cold. Missed some of the side dishes, waiter wasn't very helpful. Some of the silverware was pretty grungy. I got up about mid-meal and talked to the manager, and told him if he charged me the mandatory 15% after this, I was gonna complain to corp. Things got better very, very quick. I still had to tip 15%, and it wasn't a problem.
Taxi driver in Seattle knew the best way around, got us where we needed real quick, and picked us up, held the door etc. Had two old folks with me. He got a very nice tip at the end of the day. It's about service, not being poor, or having a bum job.
Post by: Number7 on January 09, 2018, 07:44:10 PM
I have a long, embarrassing history with tipping. I tip for good service. I know - that makes me an anachronism. Sorry - I guess.
We went to Vegas about 5 years ago. Came in almost late for a show, asked the doorman for something up front and gave him a $50. We sat next to the stage. I heckled the guy unmercifully, and we were rolling with laughter.
Hosted some of my techs at work for a dinner for 11. The service was marginal. No water until asked, entrees came out with no planning, timing. Some of them were cool, cold. Missed some of the side dishes, waiter wasn't very helpful. Some of the silverware was pretty grungy. I got up about mid-meal and talked to the manager, and told him if he charged me the mandatory 15% after this, I was gonna complain to corp. Things got better very, very quick. I still had to tip 15%, and it wasn't a problem.
Taxi driver in Seattle knew the best way around, got us where we needed real quick, and picked us up, held the door etc. Had two old folks with me. He got a very nice tip at the end of the day. It's about service, not being poor, or having a bum job.
Every word of that is just as I see it.
It’s been my experience that democrats are crappy tippers, crappy about demanding extra/special service and rarely cognizant of how hard server should have it. Baptists ware just as bad IMO
Post by: Username on January 09, 2018, 07:48:20 PM
Post by: Anthony on January 10, 2018, 04:29:30 AM
Post by: Mr Pou on January 10, 2018, 05:49:27 AM
I cannot imagine the job of cleaning up after people's piss and shit - no wait - I did that too when I was in college, I was a janitor at a bar for many years, cleaning all the disgusting stuff in urinals and toilets.
One of my summer jobs was working at a local amusement park, remember those? Anyway, I thought it would be cool, working the rides, looking at all the young pretty girls, etc. NO. My job was to clean the picnic pavilions and restrooms after the unions and companies would have their summer parties. Same as you, Rushie, cleaning a piss/shit/beer/vomit combination in the hot summer sun was very illuminating on what I did and did not want to do in life. That stuff would gag a maggot.
Post by: Little Joe on January 10, 2018, 05:59:41 AM
I have a long, embarrassing history with tipping. I tip for good service. I know - that makes me an anachronism. Sorry - I guess.Generally, that is the way I have always seen it and acted too.
We went to Vegas about 5 years ago. Came in almost late for a show, asked the doorman for something up front and gave him a $50. We sat next to the stage. I heckled the guy unmercifully, and we were rolling with laughter.
Hosted some of my techs at work for a dinner for 11. The service was marginal. No water until asked, entrees came out with no planning, timing. Some of them were cool, cold. Missed some of the side dishes, waiter wasn't very helpful. Some of the silverware was pretty grungy. I got up about mid-meal and talked to the manager, and told him if he charged me the mandatory 15% after this, I was gonna complain to corp. Things got better very, very quick. I still had to tip 15%, and it wasn't a problem.
Taxi driver in Seattle knew the best way around, got us where we needed real quick, and picked us up, held the door etc. Had two old folks with me. He got a very nice tip at the end of the day. It's about service, not being poor, or having a bum job.
But let me ask you this? Do you believe in sharing and helping those that are trying to help themselves? Do you give to other charities?
I have just decided that I personally want to give some of the money that I would give away anyway, to people I deal with; people that help me and provide me a service; people that need the money but work for it instead of begging for it.
And I'll even admit to a bit of selfishness. I get greater personal satisfaction out of giving it to someone I can see and talk to rather than some faceless statistic.
If your tipping methods are satisfactory to you, keep it up. It sounds like you are a better tipper than most. It is just that these are the people I choose to help and this is the way I have chosen to do so.
Post by: Little Joe on January 10, 2018, 06:06:01 AM
It’s been my experience that democrats are crappy tippers, crappy about demanding extra/special service and rarely cognizant of how hard server should have it. Baptists ware just as bad IMOObviously, there are always exceptions and generalizations like this are not going to apply universally.
But I too know many democrats that are lousy tippers. Usually, these are the same ones that say the employers should be paying a "living wage", even if the value they receive from the work is not worth the wage paid. These people are also the ones that complain loudest about the prices they are charged. If those people are not willing to cough up more to help provide that "living wage" then why do they expect someone else to do so?
I choose to help with my own money. Not yours.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on January 10, 2018, 07:41:23 AM
One of my summer jobs was working at a local amusement park, remember those? Anyway, I thought it would be cool, working the rides, looking at all the young pretty girls, etc. NO. My job was to clean the picnic pavilions and restrooms after the unions and companies would have their summer parties. Same as you, Rushie, cleaning a piss/shit/beer/vomit combination in the hot summer sun was very illuminating on what I did and did not want to do in life. That stuff would gag a maggot.
And that's how you became Mr Pou.
Post by: invflatspin on January 10, 2018, 07:52:42 AM
Generally, that is the way I have always seen it and acted too.
But let me ask you this? Do you believe in sharing and helping those that are trying to help themselves? Do you give to other charities?
I have just decided that I personally want to give some of the money that I would give away anyway, to people I deal with; people that help me and provide me a service; people that need the money but work for it instead of begging for it.
And I'll even admit to a bit of selfishness. I get greater personal satisfaction out of giving it to someone I can see and talk to rather than some faceless statistic.
If your tipping methods are satisfactory to you, keep it up. It sounds like you are a better tipper than most. It is just that these are the people I choose to help and this is the way I have chosen to do so.
Hehe, you really have no idea what I give, or my history. Really, no - idea. And I will not be sharing that publicly.
As for giving money away, by your thread and this post it seems that your means and reasoning is to make someone feel better. So, I'll ask you - is your reasoning to make them better, or to make you feel better about yourself? I'm not mocking your efforts, but I'd ask you to do some searching of your reasoning if there may be other forces at work. There are a lot of people who need help, and do want to work. I assist them, and treat them well provided they are doing the job well. Beyond that, my charity efforts will remain private(for very strategic reasons). ;)
edit; Just saw this topical discussion news item: http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2018/01/09/red-robin-eliminates-bus-boys-as-restaurants-combat-minimum-wage-hikes.amp.html
This is how democrats 'help' the poor working class.
Post by: asechrest on January 10, 2018, 08:18:56 AM
Post by: nddons on January 10, 2018, 11:40:29 AM
A restaurant I just visited had a note on the bill that said all tips are pooled and shared with all the staff. As someone who started out washing dishes at a seafood restaurant, I really liked that and made sure that the management knew it. It's great to tip the waitstaff, but there are also the unseen workers that could use a little appreciation somehow.Aren’t servers being paid a lower hourly wage than, say, dishwashers and other back room staff, as they are eligible for tip income? I know it used to be something like when the minimum wage was $3.35/hr, servers made $2.01/hr. Don’t hold me on those numbers, but I know there at least used to be a differential.
Post by: asechrest on January 10, 2018, 12:52:58 PM
Aren’t servers being paid a lower hourly wage than, say, dishwashers and other back room staff, as they are eligible for tip income? I know it used to be something like when the minimum wage was $3.35/hr, servers made $2.01/hr. Don’t hold me on those numbers, but I know there at least used to be a differential.
That's what it was when I worked restaurants, which was 15 years ago or so. IIRC, I was paid $2.13 an hour plus tips in a fine dining establishment.
Post by: nddons on January 10, 2018, 12:54:39 PM
That's what it was when I worked restaurants, which was 15 years ago or so. IIRC, I was paid $2.13 an hour plus tips in a fine dining establishment.And you were worth it, damnit!
But on a serious note, would you be pissed if your tips were shared by management with others who were paid more per hour?
Post by: Username on January 10, 2018, 01:01:43 PM
Aren’t servers being paid a lower hourly wage than, say, dishwashers and other back room staff, as they are eligible for tip income? I know it used to be something like when the minimum wage was $3.35/hr, servers made $2.01/hr. Don’t hold me on those numbers, but I know there at least used to be a differential.Good question! When I worked as a dishwasher in California (Bay Area) I got minimum wage, the busboys more, and the waitstaff more than that plus tips. Not sure what the cooks earned but I suspect a similar ranking by skill level. The "spread the tips evenly" was in Hawaii and I don't know whether spreading the tips was hurting the waitstaff or not. It seemed to be a nice thing to do for the back office, but on reflection it did not do anything to reward exemplary service. Ah, Hawaii... socialism!!
Post by: asechrest on January 10, 2018, 01:19:43 PM
And you were worth it, damnit!
But on a serious note, would you be pissed if your tips were shared by management with others who were paid more per hour?
No. As Reagan once said - "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".
Haha, kidding. Had ya' there, huh?
I'd be alright with pooling tips if on a team, including a busser because I know the faster they bus my tables the faster they can be seated. Not to keen on pooling tips with the back of the house.
Post by: Username on January 10, 2018, 01:45:39 PM
I'd be alright with pooling tips if on a team, including a busser because I know the faster they bus my tables the faster they can be seated. Not to keen on pooling tips with the back of the house.I did get a really cool "attaboy" after spending an hour with my head in a 20 gallon pot of burned clam chowder while the cooks were yelling if I was done cleaning it out yet. It took a couple of months for my fingerprints to grow back after all the caustic soap. But it built character, dammit!
Post by: Ron22 on January 10, 2018, 01:48:28 PM
Aren’t servers being paid a lower hourly wage than, say, dishwashers and other back room staff, as they are eligible for tip income? I know it used to be something like when the minimum wage was $3.35/hr, servers made $2.01/hr. Don’t hold me on those numbers, but I know there at least used to be a differential.
Depends on the state. In Minnesota it use to be that way, not any more have to pay at least minimum wage.
http://www.dli.mn.gov/ls/TipsCredit.asp
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Minimum wage rates apply to all hours worked, whether part time or full time. No employer may take a tip credit against either the state or federal set minimum wage, whichever applies to the employee.
Tips are the property of the direct service employee. Employers cannot require employees to share their tips with indirect service employees -- see Minnesota Statutes 177.24, subd. 3, and Minnesota Rules 5200.0080.
Post by: Little Joe on January 11, 2018, 05:01:02 AM
Hehe, you really have no idea what I give, or my history. Really, no - idea. And I will not be sharing that publicly.I am sorry that you took me wrong. I was not trying to insinuate that you are not a good tipper or that you don't donate to charity. You seemed to take issue with what I was doing, so I was trying to find out why.
As for giving money away, by your thread and this post it seems that your means and reasoning is to make someone feel better.By rewarding people for their services and I feel that I am not only making them feel better, but I hope I am incentivising and motivating them to continue to work. Liberals prefer to motivate people to NOT work.
So, I'll ask you - is your reasoning to make them better, or to make you feel better about yourself? I'm not mocking your efforts, but I'd ask you to do some searching of your reasoning if there may be other forces at work.I have already answered that. I have no problem stating that part of my motivation is to make me (and my wife) feel better, and I already admitted that I know that is a selfish reason. But I like feeling better while making other people feel better.
I have no problem with that.
There are a lot of people who need help, and do want to work. I assist them, and treat them well provided they are doing the job well. Beyond that, my charity efforts will remain private(for very strategic reasons). ;)
edit; Just saw this topical discussion news item: http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2018/01/09/red-robin-eliminates-bus-boys-as-restaurants-combat-minimum-wage-hikes.amp.htmlExactly. And I don't think I am contributing to that. In fact, I think I am helping to reverse that trend.
This is how democrats 'help' the poor working class.
I am contributing a little of MY money to those workers. I am not demanding that YOU contribute yours or the employers pay more than they think appropriate.
BUT if everyone tipped more, then employees would not have to demand higher wages thus putting their jobs at higher risk.