PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on June 28, 2023, 02:06:15 PM
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Becky suggested I start this thread to prove we can have a legitimate and rational discussion about Climate Change.
My statements were:
Climate change is real.
People contribute to climate change.
Does that mean we should kill all the people?
I am convinced climate change is happening. I don't really understand how anyone can deny that. Thirty years ago, my dock on the intracoastal waterway was never under water. In the past 6 years it gets submerged at least once a year and has had to be rebuild three times due to hurricanes.
I found a catfish on my front lawn after hurricane Matthew.
If you think CC is not happening, feel free to say so, but my thinking goes more along the lines of what do we do about it?
And before someone asks "Well, what is the right temperature", don't bother it is useless question. The best answer to that is 42.
So, what can we do about it? Very little.But how do we deal with it?
I have a concrete block house on a slab. I can't do much to raise it up. I put up Hurricane rated impact windows, PLUS I installed hurricane shutters on the front of the house that faces the intracoastal. Soon I will replace my 7 yr old shingle roof with a steel roof.
I also think we need to stop paying people to rebuild their houses and businesses in hurricane prone areas, like along the beach. And we should stop subsidizing insurance that pays people to rebuild those houses and let the market determine insurance rates.
Legislatively, I don't have an answer. The government does things like mandating EVs, which improves nothing and in the long run may even be worse. But I do think we could do more to reduce pollution.
Ok, let's hear that legitimate and rational discussion that Becky thinks we can have.
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You say not to ask what the right temperature should be.
You say you want a rational discussion.
I believe that we have to look at what the right temperature is. If we don't know what the correct temp is, how can we talk about whether or not getting warmer (or colder) is bad or good?
In any case, of course climate change happens. Of course Man can contribute to it. But what people don't know is how much that contribution is.
How many ice ages have there been?
Who on PS is living on land that once was covered with glaciers? multiple time covered.
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Our big lib daughter is a mmgw devotee.
When she starts screaming about the ocean rising, or the poles melting I point her to the articles showing that the attic sea ice has increased every year for over a decade.
When she starts babbling about gasoline powered cars I show her photos of the lithium disposal areas and how those batteries destroy everything they touch.
When she starts shrieking about the weather I remind her that the place she is standing used to be under 1500 feet of ice.
Case closed.
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I can show picture after picture of boat houses along the intercostal that were built in the 30’s, and pictures of them today that show the same mean water levels.
Tides vary depending on many factors. Joe’s dock flooding is due to tides, not rising sea levels.
Weather is the motion of air, and the driving forces behind it are heating and cooling of the oceans. This has been happening for thousands upon thousands of years, and will continue to happen for thousands more. Man plays a very small if not insignificant part.
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I am convinced climate change is happening. I don't really understand how anyone can deny that. Thirty years ago, my dock on the intracoastal waterway was never under water. In the past 6 years it gets submerged at least once a year and has had to be rebuild three times due to hurricanes.
I found a catfish on my front lawn after hurricane Matthew.
Is the water level rising or is the land sinking or both?
Seriously, land can sink. I admit I'm not a geologist, but I'm pretty sure land does not have constant elevation.
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I can show picture after picture of boat houses along the intercostal that were built in the 30’s, and pictures of them today that show the same mean water levels.
Tides vary depending on many factors. Joe’s dock flooding is due to tides, not rising sea levels.
Weather is the motion of air, and the driving forces behind it are heating and cooling of the oceans. This has been happening for thousands upon thousands of years, and will continue to happen for thousands more. Man plays a very small if not insignificant part.
^^^^^^This.
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Greta Thunberg this week deleted her 2018 tweet saying we’d all be dead in five years if we didn’t stop driving cars.
Today the mayor of London and King Charles started a new climate clock that shows we will perish by 2030 if we don’t do something that costs large amounts of money but actually does nothing. Seven years gives them and their handlers a long time to stoke fear and grift money.
Gas stoves weren’t enough, I’m sure you’ve seen now that they’re coming for wood-fired pizza ovens.
WEF wants to reduce car ownership by 75% but it’s for the climate, not to control your movement. Right. Everything that somehow isn’t due to racism is due to climate change and must be curtailed and controlled and eliminated.
Hell, the weather map on my phone is hot orange with warnings for temperatures that are normal here and completely survivable…I did just fine here in these exact temperatures growing up and we had no AC most of that time.
This is just a small sampling of the push to use climate change as the thin end of the wedge of totalitarianism. It’s a cult. It’s fear stoking and it’s making a lot of people miserable and a few people rich.
I could go on and on. The climate is changing and always will do so as others have noted here. Believing humans are a major factor affecting the climate is not provable. It has not been proven, only ginned up as a flimsy thesis for political and grifting purposes. See various alarms raised by “science” since 70s … first it’s cold that will kill us, then heat, what next? Cold again? Climate fear is a religion and a way for people to have a little bit of identity they crave and to virtue signal. And of course suck money from public coffers.
If we perish it will NOT be because of the climate but rather of despots and bombs and sickness and power grid attacks and food supply attacks. See Dutch farms being seized and shut down for “climate change.” Farms. Food.
Finally, anyone having lived through the last three years paying attention will NEVER AGAIN just trust “science.” Science has blown its wad.
We have much more to fear from cold than heat. If we survive, history will record that there was a time when people feared the very climate that allowed them to live and kept their world functioning.
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Ask the chief climate grifter that bought ocean front homes in Hawaii and Martha’s Vineyard.
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As with Covid, so goes “climate change.” The very programs the corrupt government enacts “for our benefit,” will destroy us.
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As with Covid, so goes “climate change.” The very programs the corrupt government enacts “for our benefit,” will destroy us.
It's all a scam to subjugate us. Covid, MAN made climate change, EVs, More gun control, etc.
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Is the water level rising or is the land sinking or both?
Seriously, land can sink. I admit I'm not a geologist, but I'm pretty sure land does not have constant elevation.
Land does indeed rise and fall, but very slowly. People around here were concerned about the water level of the great lakes falling over time. Turned out that the land was rising due to millions of tons of ice not being there after the last ice age. Many other areas are sinking due to the aquifers being drained. And sometimes quickly showing up as sink holes. The Himalayas are growing about 1cm per year. Pretty amazing that something as solid as solid ground isn't.
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I'm on the motorcycle today (just came back from an Epic three week motorcycle trip in Eastern Canada!). Why not walk? The air quality is dangerous, unprecedented where I live. Why? Fires in Alberta. Since when does Alberta burn? Now. I saw the areas burned in Nova Scotia. How does a wet place like Nova Scotia burn?
I hoped things wouldn't get this bad in my lifetime. They're going to get worse. Way worse.
And you will all still be in active denial. What the fuck ever.
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the sky is falling!
the sky is falling!
the sky is falling!
no wildfires in Canada ever before this year, eh?
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I'm on the motorcycle today (just came back from an Epic three week motorcycle trip in Eastern Canada!). Why not walk? The air quality is dangerous, unprecedented where I live. Why? Fires in Alberta. Since when does Alberta burn? Now. I saw the areas burned in Nova Scotia. How does a wet place like Nova Scotia burn?
I hoped things wouldn't get this bad in my lifetime. They're going to get worse. Way worse.
And you will all still be in active denial. What the fuck ever.
Active denial of what? That the fires intentionally are being set? We have a rain forest in my state and every time I’ve visited it has been dry as dust. No rain for a month will do that. Can the government make it rain, and should it? How much money would it take to make rain? And what damage would such actions, primitive, temporary and possibly toxic that they would be, inflict on the balance of nature?
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I'm on the motorcycle today (just came back from an Epic three week motorcycle trip in Eastern Canada!). Why not walk? The air quality is dangerous, unprecedented where I live. Why? Fires in Alberta. Since when does Alberta burn? Now. I saw the areas burned in Nova Scotia. How does a wet place like Nova Scotia burn?
I hoped things wouldn't get this bad in my lifetime. They're going to get worse. Way worse.
And you will all still be in active denial. What the fuck ever.
Fires are needed for a healthy forest. It's stupid enviromentalists that cause these massive fires. Instead of letting loggers and such clear out dead debris that fuel these fires, they fooled politicians to make it so forests can't be touched. This allowed too much deadfall and dry fuel to pile up, so when it catches fire, bam large uncontrollable fires. And massive forest fires have been happening since the beginning of time, and the planet not only survived, but thrived. So stop with this false MMGW will doom the planet narrative.
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Fires in Alberta. Since when does Alberta burn? Now. I saw the areas burned in Nova Scotia. How does a wet place like Nova Scotia burn?
"Largest recorded single fire in North American history": 1950, Northern British Columbia and Alberta.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fires_in_Canada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fires_in_Canada)
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Michael literally can not see the forest from the trees. How much climate change is natural and how much is man made? When someone can answer that I'll consider doing more research but until then this is OBVIOUSLY a scam by government and corporations to further control and subjugate the general populace.
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Michael literally can not see the forest from the trees. How much climate change is natural and how much is man made? When someone can answer that I'll consider doing more research but until then this is OBVIOUSLY a scam by government and corporations to further control and subjugate the general populace.
It takes knowledge of history and science, something your average academic cannot grasp.
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Michael literally can not see the forest from the trees. How much climate change is natural and how much is man made? When someone can answer that I'll consider doing more research
I don't think anyone will ever be able to answer that to everyone's satisfaction.
But it's enough for me to realize that man contributes to some extent, and we should try to diminish that amount.
I love the outdoors. I love swimming in the river and the ocean. I love mountain hiking. But everywhere I go I see litter and pollution. I was hiking a remote trail in Alaska three years ago and I saw plastic water bottles and plastic shopping bags thrown around.
When the Intracoastal waterway has a particularly high tide, I pick up all kinds of plastic from the banks when it recedes.
Why can't people do something about that?
When I was a kid living in South Philly (around 60 years ago) we would go over the Penrose and the Walt Whitman bridges to and from New Jersey. Even as a kid I watched all of those smoke stack along the river belching black smoke and I wondered how long it would take to fill the whole sky with that shit.
When I was in my '20s living in South Georgia I worked at the Pulp & Paper mill. Boy that job stunk. Literally. We had a new director of operations come in began a drive to clean up our smoke stacks. One of the processes involved filtering the smoke and recovering chemicals that had been being pumped into the air. I don't have details but I do remember a headline in the local paper saying that the Pulp Mill was saving thousands of dollars by recovering those chemicals, and the stink improved and our cars didn't need washing every day any more. More like that could be done.
I know it's true that the climate has been changing for as long as there has been a climate. Change isn't the real problem. It is rapid change that kills. And I have no doubt that man is speeding up that change, even though I have no idea how much.
How much poison would you take knowing that enough will kill you, but you don't know how much that is? Would you keep taking that poison until someone could tell you exactly? (Bacon fat doesn't count).
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Yet China and India pollute on massive levels, and we don’t see the first concerns of that by the enviro whackos.
Just like slavery. China has slaves, the US doesn’t. But the US must pay the price for slavery.
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I don't think anyone will ever be able to answer that to everyone's satisfaction.
But it's enough for me to realize that man contributes to some extent, and we should try to diminish that amount.
I love the outdoors. I love swimming in the river and the ocean. I love mountain hiking. But everywhere I go I see litter and pollution. I was hiking a remote trail in Alaska three years ago and I saw plastic water bottles and plastic shopping bags thrown around.
When the Intracoastal waterway has a particularly high tide, I pick up all kinds of plastic from the banks when it recedes.
Why can't people do something about that?
When I was a kid living in South Philly (around 60 years ago) we would go over the Penrose and the Walt Whitman bridges to and from New Jersey. Even as a kid I watched all of those smoke stack along the river belching black smoke and I wondered how long it would take to fill the whole sky with that shit.
When I was in my '20s living in South Georgia I worked at the Pulp & Paper mill. Boy that job stunk. Literally. We had a new director of operations come in began a drive to clean up our smoke stacks. One of the processes involved filtering the smoke and recovering chemicals that had been being pumped into the air. I don't have details but I do remember a headline in the local paper saying that the Pulp Mill was saving thousands of dollars by recovering those chemicals, and the stink improved and our cars didn't need washing every day any more. More like that could be done.
I know it's true that the climate has been changing for as long as there has been a climate. Change isn't the real problem. It is rapid change that kills. And I have no doubt that man is speeding up that change, even though I have no idea how much.
How much poison would you take knowing that enough will kill you, but you don't know how much that is? Would you keep taking that poison until someone could tell you exactly? (Bacon fat doesn't count).
I thought you wanted to discuss climate change? You’ve now pivoted to pollution.
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Michael literally can not see the forest from the trees. How much climate change is natural and how much is man made? When someone can answer that I'll consider doing more research but until then this is OBVIOUSLY a scam by government and corporations to further control and subjugate the general populace.
Exactly. And so what? Climate is going to change whether we like it or not. Climate is going to change whether we "do something!" or not. Things are getting warmer in places. All that means is that it will be hotter in the south, and crops that are currently being grown in the central / northern US will now be grown in the northern US / southern Canada. The coast will move inland. Deal with it. Take the money being used to try to stop the tide from coming in and spend it on relocating the most vulnerable.
But there is NO WAY we can stop the climate from changing.
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Mikey is of the opinion that everything is whatever his masters say it is, no matter how idiotic, dishonest, selfish, or greedy.
It has to be because he was told what he believes and hates us for not bowing and obeying.
It really is that simple.
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I thought you wanted to discuss climate change? You’ve now pivoted to pollution.
Sorta true. But they are related. Especially the parts about pumping shit into the air, which were two of my main points.
The part about litter and plastic are just two of my other triggers. There is no reason to toss that trash around.
BTW, I don't recall you telling others to stay on point, but you have done it to me a couple of times. If I were number 7 I would claim that I must have touched a nerve to trigger you like that.
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Exactly. And so what? Climate is going to change whether we like it or not. Climate is going to change whether we "do something!" or not. Things are getting warmer in places. All that means is that it will be hotter in the south, and crops that are currently being grown in the central / northern US will now be grown in the northern US / southern Canada. The coast will move inland. Deal with it. Take the money being used to try to stop the tide from coming in and spend it on relocating the most vulnerable.
But there is NO WAY we can stop the climate from changing.
THIS. If the global climate is warming, it doesn't matter how much of it is man made. The only way to stop man's contribution is to kill millions of humans. If not directly, then by driving them into poverty and starvation by mandating expenses "green" solutions that deny millions of people affordable food and energy.
If the climate is warming, we can deal with the changes, such as moving inland if the sea rises. But warming has a huge benefit in opening up new land for food cultivation. There are pluses as well as minuses.
There is undeniable evidence that the human population is headed for a reversal. So if we are contributing to global climate change, that contribution is going to lessen anyway pretty soon.
The whole man made climate change hysteria is a money and power grift. It has nothing to do with fighting "climate change". If the elite pushing MMCC on us actually believed it, they'd not buy beachfront property or fly around in private jets. They would be eating bugs instead of beef.
But if the globe really is warming, best to adjust to it, rather than implement policies that are ineffective but cause MASSIVE economic harm and human suffering.
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I don't think anyone will ever be able to answer that to everyone's satisfaction.
But it's enough for me to realize that man contributes to some extent, and we should try to diminish that amount.
I love the outdoors. I love swimming in the river and the ocean. I love mountain hiking. But everywhere I go I see litter and pollution. I was hiking a remote trail in Alaska three years ago and I saw plastic water bottles and plastic shopping bags thrown around.
When the Intracoastal waterway has a particularly high tide, I pick up all kinds of plastic from the banks when it recedes.
Why can't people do something about that?
When I was a kid living in South Philly (around 60 years ago) we would go over the Penrose and the Walt Whitman bridges to and from New Jersey. Even as a kid I watched all of those smoke stack along the river belching black smoke and I wondered how long it would take to fill the whole sky with that shit.
When I was in my '20s living in South Georgia I worked at the Pulp & Paper mill. Boy that job stunk. Literally. We had a new director of operations come in began a drive to clean up our smoke stacks. One of the processes involved filtering the smoke and recovering chemicals that had been being pumped into the air. I don't have details but I do remember a headline in the local paper saying that the Pulp Mill was saving thousands of dollars by recovering those chemicals, and the stink improved and our cars didn't need washing every day any more. More like that could be done.
I know it's true that the climate has been changing for as long as there has been a climate. Change isn't the real problem. It is rapid change that kills. And I have no doubt that man is speeding up that change, even though I have no idea how much.
How much poison would you take knowing that enough will kill you, but you don't know how much that is? Would you keep taking that poison until someone could tell you exactly? (Bacon fat doesn't count).
I agree with you about trash. People who throw trash around are scum, never taught manners. I HATE people like that.
Air pollution from industry has been greatly reduced through better technology. My husband installed pollution control equipment on boilers all over the U.S. and China, that a small company he worked for invented. RFK Jr is correct when he says "let the free market solve climate change, NOT top down control".
Of course, at some plants the Chinese waited until my husband left then turned off the device because the Chinese DGAF.
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Sorta true. But they are related. Especially the parts about pumping shit into the air, which were two of my main points.
The part about litter and plastic are just two of my other triggers. There is no reason to toss that trash around.
BTW, I don't recall you telling others to stay on point, but you have done it to me a couple of times. If I were number 7 I would claim that I must have touched a nerve to trigger you like that.
Just trying to keep up with your inane diatribes. Takes some work.
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I don't think anyone will ever be able to answer that to everyone's satisfaction.
But it's enough for me to realize that man contributes to some extent, and we should try to diminish that amount.
I love the outdoors. I love swimming in the river and the ocean. I love mountain hiking. But everywhere I go I see litter and pollution. I was hiking a remote trail in Alaska three years ago and I saw plastic water bottles and plastic shopping bags thrown around.
When the Intracoastal waterway has a particularly high tide, I pick up all kinds of plastic from the banks when it recedes.
Why can't people do something about that?
When I was a kid living in South Philly (around 60 years ago) we would go over the Penrose and the Walt Whitman bridges to and from New Jersey. Even as a kid I watched all of those smoke stack along the river belching black smoke and I wondered how long it would take to fill the whole sky with that shit.
When I was in my '20s living in South Georgia I worked at the Pulp & Paper mill. Boy that job stunk. Literally. We had a new director of operations come in began a drive to clean up our smoke stacks. One of the processes involved filtering the smoke and recovering chemicals that had been being pumped into the air. I don't have details but I do remember a headline in the local paper saying that the Pulp Mill was saving thousands of dollars by recovering those chemicals, and the stink improved and our cars didn't need washing every day any more. More like that could be done.
I know it's true that the climate has been changing for as long as there has been a climate. Change isn't the real problem. It is rapid change that kills. And I have no doubt that man is speeding up that change,
even though I have no idea how much.
How much poison would you take knowing that enough will kill you, but you don't know how much that is? Would you keep taking that poison until someone could tell you exactly? (Bacon fat doesn't count).
On what are you basing this certainty?
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Michael literally can not see the forest from the trees. How much climate change is natural and how much is man made?
I've lived here I ma on and off for 60 years and never seen the smoke of fires. Neither has anyone else here, it has never happened in two generations. but according to you it HAS to be natural. Couldn't be anything else, and nothing will ever convince you otherwise.
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I've lived here I ma on and off for 60 years and never seen the smoke of fires. Neither has anyone else here, it has never happened in two generations. but according to you it HAS to be natural. Couldn't be anything else, and nothing will ever convince you otherwise.
Well of course the smoke isn’t natural. The fires are caused by forest mismanagement.
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Well of course the smoke isn’t natural. The fires are caused by forest mismanagement.
This is what the enviro whackos can't figure out. Refusing to abide by proper forrest management creates and accelerates these wildfires.
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Well of course the smoke isn’t natural. The fires are caused by forest mismanagement.
And ARSON, by man made climate change WHACKOS. These people are insane.
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Well of course the smoke isn’t natural. The fires are caused by forest mismanagement.
Forest mismanagement is another area in which liberal (communists) are utterly ignorant.
Now gas stoves, and wood fired pizza ovens are just as much the enemy of ignorant democrat communists, as thinning the deer herd to avoid starvation, reducing the tinder in forest to avoid forest fires, and demanding that china, iran, and india take action to clean up the pigsty they made of their pigsty environments.
Liberals are no longer just stupid.
They’re the enemy.
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I've lived here I ma on and off for 60 years and never seen the smoke of fires. Neither has anyone else here, it has never happened in two generations. but according to you it HAS to be natural. Couldn't be anything else, and nothing will ever convince you otherwise.
There we have it. POS has never seen it so it can’t possibly have happened
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There we have it. POS has never seen it so it can’t possibly have happened
mikey claiming anything is not really proof of anything other than his selective use of truth.
And of course, his airplane NEVER added anything harmful to the environment...
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There we have it. POS has never seen it so it can’t possibly have happened
I've seen it before when living in PA, Years ago and I flew in it too.
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Forest mismanagement is another area in which liberal (communists) are utterly ignorant.
Now gas stoves, and wood fired pizza ovens are just as much the enemy of ignorant democrat communists, as thinning the deer herd to avoid starvation, reducing the tinder in forest to avoid forest fires, and demanding that china, iran, and india take action to clean up the pigsty they made of their pigsty environments.
Liberals are no longer just stupid.
They’re the enemy.
Liberals want to control what they can control, and then bitch about the rest.
People can’t fight the gas stove and pizza oven Nazis, so the liberals attack them.
Libs can’t fight China, India, and the other massive polluters, so they attack the auto industry, oil industry, and our quality of life. The lemmings all go along with it.
Liberals can’t fight the massive plastic islands in the Pacific Ocean that come from China and other far-East countries, so they attack plastic straws. Now we are provided with paper straws, in plastic cups and plastic lids. And the lemmings all go along with it.
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The stupid straw bullshit, along with the war on gas stoves and pizza ovens is just part of the ignorant hypocrisy required to believe if one is going to be a democrat these days. Now we are supposed to pretend that men can provide breast milk for newborns and no newborn birth certificate should be completed until the child decides if they want t9 be make or female. The hypocrisy is so deep that it surprises me that more democrats don’t go crazy and start shooting up the country, like so many do now.
It’s been more than several years but I spent a short time surfing the purple board just to see if I liked it.
There was an ex cop that constantly babbled the communist democrat party line no matter what.
I found it fascinating that he whole heartedly supported a cop that brutal.iced an eight month pregnant woman that came to the police station to inquire about surrendering a child. She posed zero threat, and the video proved she made no attempt to do anything other than inquire and then turn to leave, but IIRC the scumbag jumped the counter and hammered her, later claiming that he fapeared she ‘might’ have a weapon hidden somewhere.
The same liberal asshole also championed outlawing all students wearing crucifixes because some gang bangers liked them, somewhere. His marxist-communist attitudes bled through every one of his idiotic posts, and he couldn’t begin to fathom the degree of hypocrisy required for him to hold such incredibly opposite convictions, while damning every conservative for holding fast to basic human rights.
I guess the amount of hypocrisy required to be a liberal in the modern age is so destructive that it completely wrecks a liberals brain.
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Government is out of control. They think they're the New ROYALTY and we have no recourse and that's why they want our legally owned and responsibly used guns. The several Black Thug mass shootings get no response except take the guns of the law abiding. It's maddening.
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Government is out of control. They think they're the New ROYALTY and we have no recourse and that's why they want our legally owned and responsibly used guns. The several Black Thug mass shootings get no response except take the guns of the law abiding. It's maddening.
They don't think they are, they know they are. Who's going to stop them?
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They don't think they are, they know they are. Who's going to stop them?
The next Continental Army.
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in today's paper.
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So is it the opinion of everyone on here that the climate, (if it is changing at all) is changing due to completely natural causes? That man is doing nothing to influence it and that there is nothing man can or should do to slow the change?
Things like clear cutting the rain forests and burning tons of dirty coal instead of cleaner natural gas have no effect? And that if the climate is changing, it is probably a good thing because farmers in the south can just pick up their crops and move north and develop new crops that can survive in the increased heat in the South?
I hope none of you like Alaskan King crab or snow crab because they are disappearing too.
edit to add: I don't think the proper response to the radical left environmental wackos that want to destroy economies is to deny that there is any problem at all, or if there is, that there is nothing we can do about it.
I am closer in opinion to you guys than I am to the alarmist wackos, like algore, but I still think there are things we can do (or stop doing) to reduce the damage we are doing.
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So is it the opinion of everyone on here that the climate, (if it is changing at all) is changing due to completely natural causes?
nope - not everyone.
of course Man has an influence.
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in today's paper.
Do you think maybe even the liberals understand how fucking stupid an idea that is?
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nope - not everyone.
of course Man has an influence.
I concur. Humans affect climate locally and globally. However, the iPCC's predicted amount of change is not an "existential" threat to humanity or the world. Even if it were, there would be no need for government dictate to solve the problem. When properly explained and gently asked, people are willing to do the right thing. Witness trash recycling - generally not legally required in most places, yet millions voluntarily got into the habit of doing it. (Nevermind that the backend processing was often a lie.)
Suppose the climate changed naturally in a way that was an "existential" threat to humanity. Technical solutions would be considered for the obvious reason that climate is subject to technical manipulation.
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So is it the opinion of everyone on here that the climate, (if it is changing at all) is changing due to completely natural causes? That man is doing nothing to influence it and that there is nothing man can or should do to slow the change?
Things like clear cutting the rain forests and burning tons of dirty coal instead of cleaner natural gas have no effect? And that if the climate is changing, it is probably a good thing because farmers in the south can just pick up their crops and move north and develop new crops that can survive in the increased heat in the South?
I hope none of you like Alaskan King crab or snow crab because they are disappearing too.
edit to add: I don't think the proper response to the radical left environmental wackos that want to destroy economies is to deny that there is any problem at all, or if there is, that there is nothing we can do about it.
I am closer in opinion to you guys than I am to the alarmist wackos, like algore, but I still think there are things we can do (or stop doing) to reduce the damage we are doing.
I’d be interested in your response to my post above regarding the solar energy we receive, and earth’s ability to heal itself.
And the parentheses in your first paragraph is weird. Not a single person here has claimed the climate is not changing. It always has and it always will.
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I’d be interested in your response to my post above regarding the solar energy we receive, and earth’s ability to heal itself.
And the parentheses in your first paragraph is weird. Not a single person here has claimed the climate is not changing. It always has and it always will.
I can't find your post regarding the solar energy receive.
But I did fail to respond to your post about "The solution to pollution is dilution". I only believe that to a point. I think over the past few hundred years we have exceeded that point. And I do believe the earth has tremendous ability to heal itself, just like the human body. But people do still die because of mistreating their bodies.
And maybe not here, but I have run into people that deny that the climate is changing.
edit to add: If people do believe the climate is changing, why are most people here so adamant against any attempt to mitigate it? And why do they call anyone that does believe it is a problem an environmental wacko control freak.
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Climate is changing. We can do things to slow the change, but we can't stop it.
I'm all for preserving the jungle, stopping pollution, limiting human impact on the environment. That's to improve the quality of human life. But none of that will stop climate change. Nothing will stop climate change.
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Joe, the climate always changes. Always has always will, sometimes DRASTICALLY on it's own. Everyone here acknowledges that. So don't even try to make it seem like we're deniers because that's what it sounds like.
IF Man has anything to do with it, it is very small and overridden by the natural occurrences. Why do the Elites that preach these LIES fly to climate change conferences in private jets. That's OK, right?
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Speaking for myself, placing onerous taxes on us and enriching politicians and citizens such as Gore and Kerry, will never fix anything. As mentioned previously, we recycle and do their things to repect the planet. Explain why all these climate zealots seem to live in multiple huge mansions that do not seem to employ the latest technology.
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So is it the opinion of everyone on here that the climate, (if it is changing at all) is changing due to completely natural causes? That man is doing nothing to influence it and that there is nothing man can or should do to slow the change?
Things like clear cutting the rain forests and burning tons of dirty coal instead of cleaner natural gas have no effect? And that if the climate is changing, it is probably a good thing because farmers in the south can just pick up their crops and move north and develop new crops that can survive in the increased heat in the South?
I hope none of you like Alaskan King crab or snow crab because they are disappearing too.
edit to add: I don't think the proper response to the radical left environmental wackos that want to destroy economies is to deny that there is any problem at all, or if there is, that there is nothing we can do about it.
I am closer in opinion to you guys than I am to the alarmist wackos, like algore, but I still think there are things we can do (or stop doing) to reduce the damage we are doing.
Problem is you can’t prove or quantify the damage. Without that, how can anyone come up with a solution?
EV’s are no where near a clean alternative. In fact, environmentally they are far worse than ICE autos. Wind mills are killing birds at an alarming rate. The sonar surveys in the ocean for wind farm placement are killing whales and dolphins. Funny how the so called environmentalist don’t want to talk about that.
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Problem is you can’t prove or quantify the damage. Without that, how can anyone come up with a solution?
If you know you are causing damage it is ridiculous to have to quantify it to stop doing at least some of the damage.
I agree with everyone about politicians mandating actions that may or may not have a positive effect and may even have a negative effect. But things like reducing air pollution, reducing deforestation can only help.
And just because rich/famous idiots build mansions on the ocean and take private jets to environmental conferences doesn't mean . . .
Aw fuck. Just for get it. I'm going to dies soon anyway and I don't have any kids, so what the fuck do I care.
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I'm for reducing both real pollution and deforestation. However, CO2 is NOT a pollutant and that's what they are saying we have to reduce. It's a joke.
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If you know you are causing damage it is ridiculous to have to quantify it to stop doing at least some of the damage.
So how much damage is being done? What are the baselines, and how is the damage measured?
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I can't find your post regarding the solar energy receive.
But I did fail to respond to your post about "The solution to pollution is dilution". I only believe that to a point. I think over the past few hundred years we have exceeded that point. And I do believe the earth has tremendous ability to heal itself, just like the human body. But people do still die because of mistreating their bodies.
And maybe not here, but I have run into people that deny that the climate is changing.
edit to add: If people do believe the climate is changing, why are most people here so adamant against any attempt to mitigate it? And why do they call anyone that does believe it is a problem an environmental wacko control freak.
I think my mention of the 430 quintillion Joules of energy hitting earth ever hour is from the same thread where I mentioned how earth has healed itself. I still stand by that, and I believe predictions of the death of the earth are designed to subjugate the people of the earth to a New World Order.
As for your last paragraph, every single attempt to “mitigate” client change results in taxation to grow FedGov, and an INTENTIONAL diminution of OUR QUALITY OF LIFE, with ZERO evidence that such diminution will yield any result regarding climate change. There is literally no evidence, yet the climate alarmists are RAKING IN money and wealth to further the lie that taxing Americans and making energy unsustainably expensive to us will help heal Mother Earth.
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OwlGore is the perfect example of an enviro climate grifter. He has made millions upon millions promoting his climate change religion while not doing one thing to prevent it or mitigate it.
And he lives in opulence in mansions that require the equivelent of many family size dwellings to heat and cool, he is chauffeured in huge SUV limos that get single digit MPG, and is whisked around in private jets burning tons of jet fuel.
But OwlGore wants the peasants to live in non electrified public housing and use public transportation to "save our planet".
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Local pollution, sure but global climate change? One would have to be a complete moron to believe that.
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I want to protest the unlocking of this thread!
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I think my mention of the 430 quintillion Joules of energy hitting earth ever hour is from the same thread where I mentioned how earth has healed itself. I still stand by that, and I believe predictions of the death of the earth are designed to subjugate the people of the earth to a New World Order.
As for your last paragraph, every single attempt to “mitigate” client change results in taxation to grow FedGov, and an INTENTIONAL diminution of OUR QUALITY OF LIFE, with ZERO evidence that such diminution will yield any result regarding climate change. There is literally no evidence, yet the climate alarmists are RAKING IN money and wealth to further the lie that taxing Americans and making energy unsustainably expensive to us will help heal Mother Earth.
^^^^^^This! All of it.
Joe, you've been duped. Big time.
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^^^^^^This! All of it.
Joe, you've been duped. Big time.
He has, but at least he’s not comfortable there and keeps poking at the actual issue. We actually want to see our doubts resolved AND to face the truth. As long as that’s going on, there is hope.
As for Joe’s statement that President Trump is all about himself, I would urge some expansion of perspective. Anyone who doesn’t perceive the sincerity and earnestness in this man’s voice and demeanor and actions throughout all the years, under severe attack, since 2016 is blinded indeed. As Rush has said, he has an ego, but he wants his legacy to be a healed and prosperous America. He wants us all to succeed. I’m okay with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSJDhZvLtak
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^^^^^^This! All of it.
Joe, you've been duped. Big time.
You still don't understand what I am saying because as soon as your brain hears "climate change" it goes into some sort of defensive panic. ie algoreaocpolarbearsliberals...
The only way I get you guys to admit that the climate is changing is to insinuate that some of you don't believe it is. Then you guys will react to that.
Here is my whole point: The climate is changing. Man is contributing to that and we should reduce that contribution as much as possible. But I say "climate change" and you think I'm saying "OMG, MMCC! man is destroying the world and killing the polar bears and melting the ice caps and wer'e all gonna die". That's not what I'm saying,
But Becky was partially right. I didn't like where this thread was going. I opened it to hear other people's ideas on CC (which most admit is actually happening), but all I get is a bunch of insults and claims that I'm saying something I never said. Then I tried to defend positions that I didn't really agree with because that's what people do when they are unjustly attacked. That is where I didn't like where the thread was going.
The thing that really pisses me off is that climate and the environment is so politically divided. You can't even say the words without being accused of being pinko commie brain-dead stupid liberal that believes in unicorns and rainbows.
It is just as stupid as the fact that liberals can't distinguish the difference between "immigrants" and "illegal aliens".
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I asked a simple question. What is the baseline, and how are we measuring just how much impact man is contributing to climate change?
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As for Joe’s statement that President Trump is all about himself, I would urge some expansion of perspective. Anyone who doesn’t perceive the sincerity and earnestness in this man’s voice and demeanor and actions throughout all the years, under severe attack, since 2016 is blinded indeed. As Rush has said, he has an ego, but he wants his legacy to be a healed and prosperous America. He wants us all to succeed. I’m okay with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSJDhZvLtak
When I am called a "Never Trumper, on this site I sort of tune it out as coming from someone with amnesia or the inability of that person to understand the meaning of the word "Never".
I used to be a huge Trump fan. I am still a huge fan of the man Trump used to me. I don't think that I have changed, I think that Trump has changed. When he lost the election, I think he also lost his mind. He liked being President and the only thing that is important to him is regaining that power and prestige. Why else would he go on a rampage against RDS who is merely echoing all the things that Trump USED to believe in?
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I asked a simple question. What is the baseline, and how are we measuring just how much impact man is contributing to climate change?
I don't know the answer to that. And I don't care. Besides that the question is merely a diversion to the question I asked and really has no bearing on the discussion.
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(https://i.imgur.com/CgmJ0OX.jpg)
Perfect example of why I closed this thread in the first place. You have nothing to add so you post some stupid meme that you seem to think is aimed at me.
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I still want to know what temperature is the right temperature. I know that some people don't think that is a valid question. It's unfortunate that those people can't understand it and/or don't agree. But I firmly believe that we need the answer to that question. Without a vaild answer, the whole climate change discussion is a colossal waste of time.
We (Man) can do things to that will tend to reduce temperatures, we (Man) can also do things that will tend to increase temperatures.
Which actions should we avoid and which actions should we encourage? (notice I didn't say anything about mandates, etc)
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I don't know the answer to that. And I don't care. Besides that the question is merely a diversion to the question I asked and really has no bearing on the discussion.
It's a serious question, and is in line with the topic.
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Perfect example of why I closed this thread in the first place. You have nothing to add so you post some stupid meme that you seem to think is aimed at me.
It really bothers you that this forum is unmoderated, that's been evident for a long time. You want the safety of something like the pilots place where opposing viewpoints are silenced.
The meme posted makes fun of the climate change crowd trying to steer a narrative with fake information. Sorry you have no sense of humor.
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I asked a simple question. What is the baseline, and how are we measuring just how much impact man is contributing to climate change?
It doesn't matter what the answer is, you won't believe it. All you'll do is insult whoever gives it and try and bully them if they persist.
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It doesn't matter what the answer is, you won't believe it. All you'll do is insult whoever gives it and try and bully them if they persist.
Ah. Irony
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It doesn't matter what the answer is, you won't believe it. All you'll do is insult whoever gives it and try and bully them if they persist.
My new best friend on PS.
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It doesn't matter what the answer is, you won't believe it. All you'll do is insult whoever gives it and try and bully them if they persist.
So what's the answer? Serious question.
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The only way I get you guys to admit that the climate is changing is to insinuate that some of you don't believe it is. Then you guys will react to that.
I don't know anyone here who is denying that the climate is changing. I believe that we all agree that the climate is changing. It has always been changing. It will always be changing.
Here is my whole point: The climate is changing. Man is contributing to that and we should reduce that contribution as much as possible. But I say "climate change" and you think I'm saying "OMG, MMCC! man is destroying the world and killing the polar bears and melting the ice caps and wer'e all gonna die". That's not what I'm saying,
Here is the main point of contention. Yes, man is contributing to that change. We don't know if that contribution is causing a significant change in the rate of change of climate. Let's say that man's contribution is to double the rate of change. That puts the climate at where it would be if man had NO contribution naturally in 100 years (just a guess... who knows?). We're going to get there anyway. Let's start adapting to that change in climate rather than trying to stop the inevitable.
Reducing our standard of living to slow the rate of change is useless. Giving all our money to some guy who is shouting at the rising tide to stop doing so is useless.
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I want to protest the unlocking of this thread!
;D
#MeToo. Joe gets very hurt and offended by Number 7, feels misunderstood by everyone else, then reads every response, no matter how rational and reasonable it is, through his blur of offendedness, which causes him to see rationality as criticism of him. Once in a while he manages to see something rationally and begins to ponder it, and even ask or try to answer a question, but then quickly cancels that with two or three statements to defend his previous and dearly-held (for what reason, if he keeps exploring other views?) belief.
Where Joe really loses me is his belief that President Trump did not win 2020. If by “win” he means being inaugurated and occupying the White House, then anything more that Joe says will be seen by me as rather naive and blinkered.
However, I am willing to think through his posts and provide my views in response. It does seem, though, that no proof, however empirical, will move Joe’s needle. But that’s not why we’re here really.
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It doesn't matter what the answer is, you won't believe it. All you'll do is insult whoever gives it and try and bully them if they persist.
The thing is you can't answer it. Nobody knows. Not even the experts that say man is contributing a great deal. They cannot nail down that we are raising the temperature by x amount and the average temperature "should" be y. We don't know what x and y are. Therefore we cannot design a response to fight it. We wouldn't know if we were anywhere near compensating for it, or overshooting the mark (which would be catastrophic, it would lead to an ice age deadly to many species), or having statistically insignificant effect while driving millions into poverty because of the cost.
Those who claim they know what x and y are don't agree with each other and do not agree over time, and have been wrong again and again for decades. It's simply crazy to set public policy without having a clear idea where the goalpost is. It would be different if public policy had no cost and was painless but that's far from the case.
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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/07/hottest-day-ever.php
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#MeToo. Joe gets very hurt and offended by Number 7, feels misunderstood by everyone else, then reads every response, no matter how rational and reasonable it is, through his blur of offendedness, which causes him to see rationality as criticism of him. Once in a while he manages to see something rationally and begins to ponder it, and even ask or try to answer a question, but then quickly cancels that with two or three statements to defend his previous and dearly-held (for what reason, if he keeps exploring other views?) belief.
Where Joe really loses me is his belief that President Trump did not win 2020. If by “win” he means being inaugurated and occupying the White House, then anything more that Joe says will be seen by me as rather naive and blinkered.
However, I am willing to think through his posts and provide my views in response. It does seem, though, that no proof, however empirical, will move Joe’s needle. But that’s not why we’re here really.
In defense of Joe, it is true he is thrown into the radical camp when he expresses centrist views on things. But in defense of his attackers, on this forum you can attack anyone you want any way you want. Except bot spam I guess. But in defense of Joe again he has a right to get offended by it. Nobody can tell someone else how to "feel". He responded by locking the thread which was his right since the button was RIGHT THERE and apparently has been for the whole 7 years I've been here and I've never seen it before.
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I think if the corrupt people in government could be eliminated, we’d see quite a different view of where climate falls on the spectrum of humanity’s true concerns. “Seems to be increasing” is not a scientific term. It is a fear-mongering and grifting term.
https://www.energy.gov/podcasts/direct-current-energygov-podcast/s4-e2-extremes-weather-changing-climate
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In defense of Joe, it is true he is thrown into the radical camp when he expresses centrist views on things. But in defense of his attackers, on this forum you can attack anyone you want any way you want. Except bot spam I guess. But in defense of Joe again he has a right to get offended by it. Nobody can tell someone else how to "feel". He responded by locking the thread which was his right since the button was RIGHT THERE and apparently has been for the whole 7 years I've been here and I've never seen it before.
Honestly I believe some people have been so conditioned on censorship and "misinformation" that when they come into a forum that offers no censorship and absolute free speech, they can't handle it.
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My new best friend on PS.
oy
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It doesn't matter what the answer is, you won't believe it. All you'll do is insult whoever gives it and try and bully them if they persist.
So, mr. you know better than everyone…
What IS the proper temperature for the Earth?
What makes it the proper temperature?
How does slight warming above that temperature affect the earth?
How does slight cooling below that magic temperature affect the earth?
By what measurement is warming a bad thing?
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Since the all time high temperature in Tampa was set in 1929, does that mean the earth has been cooling all this time, and what does that mean in relation to all the bullshit you and your cabal of communist assholes have been slinging around?
Since any discussion of factual examination leads to automatic rejection by you and your committee of whiners, liars, and fraudsters, what actual evidence can you provide, point to, discuss, or defend, that there is anything we can do change, interrupt, or slow the mythical climate crisis you constantly babble, but never define?
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Honestly I believe some people have been so conditioned on censorship and "misinformation" that when they come into a forum that offers no censorship and absolute free speech, they can't handle it.
I can't speak for Joe but anyone in the older age group has to fight within themselves decades of propaganda from childhood onward. We were all told in the 60s and 70s that explosive human population is a crisis that will lead to catastrophe, and climate change was tied to that. It makes complete sense in an intuitive way. The more people there are the more we burn fossil fuels, cut down rain forests, etc. There was an idea that fossil fuels are finite and that we would exhaust them. "Peak Oil" was taken as Gospel, we didn't have fracking technology and with runaway human population it was very easy to believe the light at the end of the tunnel was a train and we were headed for a wreck.
Not only would we run out of fuel, by burning it all we were pouring contaminants in the air and causing pollution and climate change. There is a scientific basis for that; particulates in the atmosphere do affect the absorption and heat retention on the planet, and/or reflect the sun's energy back into space. The trouble is we really don't know which one dominates at any point in time or by how much. Or do they cancel each other out? Sometimes we thought catastrophic cooling would be the result (ice age fear mongering) and sometimes catastrophic warming.
I myself fell for it. Part of the reason we moved to the mountains in 2010 was to be at elevation and away from cities when the sea level rose and society broke down because of it. Or just in case society broke down for any reason. To this day we will stay away from big cities for that reason, but today I'm living at 17' ASL and plan to stay here so I've gotten past the rising sea level myth.
When you're raised on that it takes major reorganizing your thoughts to change. But there are critical facts known now that we didn't know until recent years that completely upends the "overpopulation - running out of fossil fuel - out of control climate change" paradigm. 1) A plunge in birth rate and 2) Fracking and other improved technologies to stretch fossil fuels plus new theories that fossil fuels are continuing to regenerate. 3) Improved pollution control technology.
Unfortunately, the press and the political class have not kept up with these changes, and they have not been adequately reported on. A person has to proactively seek the information outside of mainstream media. The political/oligarchical class has become addicted to the cash flow generated by holding the specter of climate catastrophe over the heads of the public and so censorship of these changes in terms of casting doubt on the "settled science" has become widespread.
These emerging changes, especially the upcoming decline in world population and continued improvement in technology, will have a major impact on man's contribution to climate change, however large or small it is, and this will happen without any mandated climate change policies at all. If we totally ignored the problem this will still happen.
Do I know for certain that man's contribution to climate change is insignificant enough that we need not worry at all? Of course not, no one does. But with all the unknowns and variables and contributing factors both to warming and to cooling, I believe our default position should be extreme caution. Free market and local actions to clean up the environment and preserve natural habitats are fine. Let the market allow you to put solar panels on your roof, recycle, or whatever else helps a little bit and makes you feel better.
But massive centralized control from government, like Joe Biden's proposal to put stuff in the atmosphere to block sunlight, or mandating we go all EV, is absolutely fucking insane and transparent authoritarian overreach. It is born from psychopathology: People who think they know better than you and that they should control everybody else's lives and this is a far greater and more immediate danger than climate change.
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You still don't understand what I am saying because as soon as your brain hears "climate change" it goes into some sort of defensive panic. ie algoreaocpolarbearsliberals...
The only way I get you guys to admit that the climate is changing is to insinuate that some of you don't believe it is. Then you guys will react to that.
Here is my whole point: The climate is changing. Man is contributing to that and we should reduce that contribution as much as possible. But I say "climate change" and you think I'm saying "OMG, MMCC! man is destroying the world and killing the polar bears and melting the ice caps and wer'e all gonna die". That's not what I'm saying,
But Becky was partially right. I didn't like where this thread was going. I opened it to hear other people's ideas on CC (which most admit is actually happening), but all I get is a bunch of insults and claims that I'm saying something I never said. Then I tried to defend positions that I didn't really agree with because that's what people do when they are unjustly attacked. That is where I didn't like where the thread was going.
The thing that really pisses me off is that climate and the environment is so politically divided. You can't even say the words without being accused of being pinko commie brain-dead stupid liberal that believes in unicorns and rainbows.
It is just as stupid as the fact that liberals can't distinguish the difference between "immigrants" and "illegal aliens".
I and everyone else here acknowledged there is climate change from the beginning.
NOBODY EVER SAID IT DIDN'T EXIST. Again. Please you or Steingar tell me how much is man made and how much is natural.
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Since the all time high temperature in Tampa was set in 1929, does that mean the earth has been cooling all this time,
https://www.extremeweatherwatch.com/cities/tampa/highest-temperatures
Highest Temperatures in Tampa History
This is a list of the highest temperatures ever recorded in Tampa, Florida history from 1890–2023 based on data from the NOAA.
What's the hottest it has ever gotten in Tampa?
The hottest temperature in Tampa, Florida history is 99 °F which has happened twice, most recently on Friday June 26, 2020.
https://www.extremeweatherwatch.com/cities/tampa/highest-temperatures
Rank Temperature Date
1 99 °F June 26, 2020
1 99 °F June 5, 1985
3 98 °F June 18, 2022
3 98 °F August 1, 2020
3 98 °F June 25, 2019
3 98 °F May 19, 2017
3 98 °F May 17, 2017
3 98 °F June 12, 2010
3 98 °F June 6, 2008
3 98 °F June 21, 1998
3 98 °F June 6, 1985
3 98 °F June 12, 1977
3 98 °F August 22, 1975
3 98 °F May 26, 1975
3 98 °F June 26, 1952
3 98 °F June 24, 1951
3 98 °F June 26, 1950
3 98 °F June 25, 1950
3 98 °F July 21, 1942
3 98 °F July 20, 1942
3 98 °F June 3, 1918
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Apparently different organizations record that differently.
Once I find it again, I will post it.
Correction: it was not Tampa, but Monticello Florida and it was really hot… 109 in 1931
Old age eyes and going on memory will do that to you.
However, that does prove my point.
Since the all time high temperature for Florida was set in 1931
, that must mean that the earth has been cooling ever since… I mean I’m basing that on the progressive, commie democrat bullshit methodology so embraced by whittle joe.
https://stacker.com/florida/see-most-extreme-temperatures-florida-history
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Apparently different organizations record that differently.
Once I find it again, I will post it.
Check Bablyon Bee
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Cities don’t count. As they get bigger, they will set record high temperatures because cities are hotter. The highest overall temperature ever recorded in Florida was 1931 in Monticello. 108 deg F. It has a population of only 2506 in the 2010 census.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_and_territory_temperature_extremes
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Cities don’t count.
Were you talking to me? Or the person that brought up the highest temperature in Tampa?
And why didn't anyone call him out on it?
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Were you talking to me? Or the person that brought up the highest temperature in Tampa?
And why didn't anyone call him out on it?
Both you and Number 7 were talking about when the highest temperature in Tampa was. So I guess I was talking to both of you.
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Both you and Number 7 were talking about when the highest temperature in Tampa was. So I guess I was talking to both of you.
I was merely responding to his incorrect assertion.
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Check Bablyon Bee
Don’t be a pussy.
It isn’t funny and it makes you fat.
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I don't believe a lot of data today due to blatant LYING by government and private organizations. So it got very, very little warmer one year. So what?
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I don't believe a lot of data today due to blatant LYING by government and private organizations. So it got very, very little warmer one year. So what?
The only "so what" is that it was a lie.
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The only "so what" is that it was a lie.
You poor pathetic pussy,
You really need a hobby to take your mind off of your awful life.
Maybe adopt an abandoned pet, or teach a child to read.
You can volunteer at a soup kitchen and keep your mind off of your never ending pity party.
I hear many churches encourage volunteerism as away to keep geriatric citizens from wallowing in their self inflicted depression.
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The only "so what" is that it was a lie.
NASA and NOAA were caught inventing temperatures. Research it.
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NASA and NOAA were caught inventing temperatures. Research it.
I corrected my post since I was going on memory and it turns out the all time high in Florida was set in 1931 at 109, but it was in Monticello, no Tampa. Memory gets weak the older we get, but pussies can’t handle anything that challenges their pathetic mind set.
Joe can get over it, or spend the next forty years whining like the pussy he is.
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I corrected my post since I was going on memory and it turns out the all time high in Florida was set in 1931 at 109, but it was in Monticello, no Tampa. Memory gets weak the older we get, but pussies can’t handle anything that challenges their pathetic mind set.
Joe can get over it, or spend the next forty years whining like the pussy he is.
Why NASA is involved in man made climate change and Muslim promotion is beyond me. I thought their mission was space exploration. Before that they were NACA and aerodynamics was their ball of wax. WTF?