PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: bflynn on July 30, 2018, 01:30:32 PM
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The president has offered to meet with Iranian president Rouhani - no strings.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/trump-offers-to-meet-with-iranian-president-rouhani-without-preconditions.html
Cue Leftie screaming in 3,...2,...1,... Whaaa, Trump is just getting played again...
I think this is actually a brilliant move politically. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. But also you'll never influence an enemy by ignoring them. You have to be talking to get their influence.
The Arabic culture is built on dominance - that's what the Iranian chest thumping and puffery is all about. So I'm sure they'll grab this chance to try to jerk Trump around. I don't care, it's about the end, not the beginning. Good start.
Please remind all the Leftists that complain about this that they also complained heavily when Bush invaded Iraq and said that we should have tried diplomacy. Of course, we know that the complaints are all about the (R), not anything of the content.
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Trump continues to amaze me. I voted for him feeling like a Hail Mary pass, a last ditch desperate attempt to turn the country around and with a lot of doubt he would actually do any of the things he promised. I actually disliked him and personally, he is far from someone I'd want to befriend. But never in my wildest dreams did I think so much would get done so quickly and nearly all of it good for the country and for me personally. ISIS is gone, Kim elnutso blinked, the EU blinked, China is beginning to listen up, unemployment is way down, taxes, oh my God, our 2018 taxes are going to be thousands less because of Trump. Pennies to Pelosi I know but FUCK YOU BITCH and that's all I have to say about that.
What else, oh yeah, environmental regulations being rolled back, other regulations and on and on. Lovin' it.
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What else, oh yeah, environmental regulations being rolled back, other regulations and on and on. Lovin' it.
Speaking of which:
https://capitalresearch.org/article/u-s-achieves-largest-decrease-in-carbon-emissionswithout-the-paris-climate-accord/
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Trump continues to amaze me. I voted for him feeling like a Hail Mary pass, a last ditch desperate attempt to turn the country around and with a lot of doubt he would actually do any of the things he promised. I actually disliked him and personally, he is far from someone I'd want to befriend. But never in my wildest dreams did I think so much would get done so quickly and nearly all of it good for the country and for me personally. ISIS is gone, Kim elnutso blinked, the EU blinked, China is beginning to listen up, unemployment is way down, taxes, oh my God, our 2018 taxes are going to be thousands less because of Trump. Pennies to Pelosi I know but FUCK YOU BITCH and that's all I have to say about that.
What else, oh yeah, environmental regulations being rolled back, other regulations and on and on. Lovin' it.
Pretty much my thoughts also. I met the man, and his son Eric in 2002 and they both were nice to a nobody covered in belly grease from a Grumman Tiger.
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Pretty much my thoughts also. I met the man, and his son Eric in 2002 and they both were nice to a nobody covered in belly grease from a Grumman Tiger.
I admit me saying I dislike him is based only on my media exposure to him, I've never met him. I came within a few feet of Ronald Reagan one time when he was riding off in his President-mobile and I happened to be standing on the sidewalk when the car went by. ;D
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I've had a hyper liberal friend pull out "republicans went hyper when Obama went to meet him in 2007". Well that is correct if incomplete. Both Democrats and Republicans got upset over this because then Iranian president Ahmadinejad was a very vocal and radical guy. He was one of the guys who held the hostages in the late 1970 when Carter was president, a holocaust denier, and believer in an active replacement of Israel with a fully Palestinian state. He was the force behind the Iranian nuclear program and told the UN to get lost multiple times (and not with such nice words).
Today? Different president, different situation. The left condemned Trump for meeting with Kim Jung Un. They condemned him for not keeping to Obama's personal nuclear agreement with Iran. And they are condemning Trump for meeting with Iran.
The pattern I see is the left condemning Trump.
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I admit me saying I dislike him is based only on my media exposure to him, I've never met him. I came within a few feet of Ronald Reagan one time when he was riding off in his President-mobile and I happened to be standing on the sidewalk when the car went by. ;D
Oh, don't get me wrong. I am NO fan of his personality. I wasn't raised that way.
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Oh, don't get me wrong. I am NO fan of his personality. I wasn't raised that way.
Understood. ;D
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I am unmoved by his personality.
Judging a President by anything other than his ability to run a good ship is for losers and liberals. Donald Trump is doing what good businessmen do. He's fixing problems and ignoring the whiners that haven't fixed a thing in their lifetimes.
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I am unmoved by his personality.
Judging a President by anything other than his ability to run a good ship is for losers and liberals. Donald Trump is doing what good businessmen do. He's fixing problems and ignoring the whiners that haven't fixed a thing in their lifetimes.
But, but, but...he said "grab her by the p****"!!!
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I admit me saying I dislike him is based only on my media exposure to him, I've never met him. I came within a few feet of Ronald Reagan one time when he was riding off in his President-mobile and I happened to be standing on the sidewalk when the car went by. ;D
If you are judging him by media exposure, it is no wonder you don't like him.
If people like you don't like him because of the way the media portrays him, it is no wonder liberals and independents hate him so much.
Can you imagine what his popularity would be like if the media gave him a fair shake? Or even better, if they treated him like they treated Obama?
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Remember all the BHO photos with the halo around his head?
The msm was convinced he was a messiah.
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My favorite picture of O.
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I am unmoved by his personality.
Judging a President by anything other than his ability to run a good ship is for losers and liberals. Donald Trump is doing what good businessmen do. He's fixing problems and ignoring the whiners that haven't fixed a thing in their lifetimes.
Well I am, and I will tell you why. Trump's personality which comes through in juvenile tweets is often his own worst enemy, and gives the Media more ammunition to criticize him over stupid stuff, and convince the low information types he is unfit for office.
Best of both worlds would be Trump's poliices, work ethic, and tenaciousness combined with a Reagan like communicator. Yes, Trump as is certainly is better than no Trump at all. So I will take the good from him and consider myself lucky.
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Well I am, and I will tell you why. Trump's personality which comes through in juvenile tweets is often his own worst enemy, and gives the Media more ammunition to criticize him over stupid stuff, and convince the low information types he is unfit for office.
Best of both worlds would be Trump's poliices, work ethic, and tenaciousness combined with a Reagan like communicator. Yes, Trump as is certainly is better than no Trump at all. So I will take the good from him and consider myself lucky.
I am among those unmoved by Trump's personality. Or more precisely, I am unmoved by the MSM's portrayal of Trumps personality.
I do agree with you that he tends to hurt himself with some of his tweets. But honestly, even if he stopped tweeting altogether, the MSM would still find (or make up) things to undermine him with.
For instance, when a great jobs report came out today, CNBC said "The job market is booming, impacted by the deficit-financed tax cuts and increases in government spending".
Anything to take the edge off of any good news that could otherwise be attributed to trump. They won't admit that the deficit will be lowered or eliminated by the booming economy.
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Well I am, and I will tell you why. Trump's personality which comes through in juvenile tweets is often his own worst enemy, and gives the Media more ammunition to criticize him over stupid stuff, and convince the low information types he is unfit for office.
Best of both worlds would be Trump's poliices, work ethic, and tenaciousness combined with a Reagan like communicator. Yes, Trump as is certainly is better than no Trump at all. So I will take the good from him and consider myself lucky.
Another point: I am not a "twitterer" so I don't follow all of Trumps tweets. The only ones I see are the ones in the news. Forgive me, but I just don't believe they are honestly publishing his most important tweets. I believe they ONLY publish the ones the think will make him look bad.
Am I wrong?
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Another point: I am not a "twitterer" so I don't follow all of Trumps tweets. The only ones I see are the ones in the news. Forgive me, but I just don't believe they are honestly publishing his most important tweets. I believe they ONLY publish the ones the think will make him look bad.
Am I wrong?
You are not wrong. I check his twitter feed every day, and I am not “on” twitter either. It’s there for anyone to see. I have a couple of hand-wringers in my family who only watch the mainstream media. I’m always having to soothe them. The MSM chops off his tweets, ignores major ones, especially if they are positive about America, and even outright misquotes them. This is part of the reason the big red tide is rising ... anyone can see the distortion by looking at the actual tweet!
The meeting with Sulzberger is an example. He whined that Trump tweeted that journalism is the enemy of the people. But the actual tweet named, as the enemy of the people, about seven specific outlets known to lie and distort, including CNN, MSNBC etc.
Here’s the link to his feed.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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Another point: I am not a "twitterer" so I don't follow all of Trumps tweets. The only ones I see are the ones in the news. Forgive me, but I just don't believe they are honestly publishing his most important tweets. I believe they ONLY publish the ones the think will make him look bad.
Am I wrong?
I don't do Twitter either, so don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Media just picked the tweets that made him look bad. They are biased as HELL, and the double standard is sickening.
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His personality and tweeterimg is part of the whole package and may have been part of the "appeal" that got him elected. There are whole swaths of the population who have already been alienated from mainstream culture (supposedly represented by mainstream media) and from the status quo politician that turned to Trump because he isn't polished and isn't cozy with the press nor with D.C.
Ironically (because he's so filthy rich) they identify with him because he seems so imperfect, hot-tempered, scrappy, doesn't give a damn; where all other politicians carefully craft every communication for maximum appeal and minimum damage. Trump doesn't do that. His tweets are real-time stream of consciousness and people love it - there is no editing, censoring or message management filtering between him and us. For the first time in history we have a President not allowing his messages to we the people to be reformed by intermediaries either in his favor (his staff) or against him (the media). What we are getting is the real him, warts and all. The honesty is very refreshing, even if he is dishonest. It's the real him we see not an effort to manipulate our view of him.
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We’ve had one after another professional politician hold the presidency. They had daily polling, and speech writers who crafted their speeches using careful focus group tested words. The media savaged the republicans while never admitting fault with the liberal ones. And the msm controlled what the public saw and heard from these previous presidents, so they had firm control of the narrative and they were indeed the fourth estate.
Now they have a President who fights back and uses social media to communicate unabridged with the population, and the msm has been marginalized. Their once proud fourth estate has been demoted to the back page column and they are seething, desperately wanting their power back.