PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on April 24, 2022, 07:19:35 AM
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Just asking.
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The other day that trial was on Fox news and I actually went to CNN as they were doing their usual BS version of news! My opinion of that trial is who the hell cares!
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not a chance
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No.
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She's a crazy bitch. My wife got sucked into it and has been keeping me updated on it. More reason to never trust a woman just because she's a woman. Men are victims, too.
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My first thought too was not a chance. Two celebrities who can’t have a good marriage what a surprise. But then I caught a minute of it and damn! This isn’t your typical celebrity break up,
The basics:
1. Amber Heard accuses Johnny Depp of abusing her and embarks on a #metoo, #domestic abuse, “I’m a victim” crusade.
2. Johnny Depp gets blacklisted and canceled and loses his career and reputation. He sues Sun for libel and loses.
3. Now he is suing her for libel, claiming the allegations are false, he is not an abuser, he is in fact the abused.
So I started listening to his testimony, which includes audio recordings of their conversations. Wow! A very clear picture is emerging. It is indeed she who is the abuser, emotionally and physically. She comes at him verbally like a steel knife while he in his slow calm voice tries to placate her. She slaps and hits him, throws things at him, supposedly put a cigarette out on his face. He is admittedly a drug abuser but there’s no evidence he ever initiated physical violence toward her or even really defended himself. He does react with counterattacks in the form of writing on things or texts, he seems unable to counter her directly. His response to these onslaughts of rage is to withdraw. He tries to get away from her by going into other rooms but she follows him not allowing him to disengage. His sister/manager knew of this and would book two hotel rooms when they traveled together to give Johnny somewhere to retreat to.
The picture emerging is of a narcissistic sociopath who targeted Depp for marriage for the purpose of getting better acting roles or money. Once legally married she was continually enraged by his imperfections and her inability to completely control him. Depp on his part had been abused in childhood by his mother and was continuing the dysfunctional pattern by “marrying his mother”.
The reason this hits home for me is I was on a jury where an abused man was eventually killed by the “little woman”. Ever since then I’ve been pissed about how domestic abuse always focuses on the female, and men who are abused are invisible. Even worse, like with Depp, they are often then victimized further by accusations that they are the abuser, resulting in job loss, reputation destruction, loss of contact with their children, and even prison.
Jordan Peterson says women use reputation destruction as their weapon of choice. Here we have a prime example. It seems Amber Heard turned her own abusive treatment of Depp around on him in order to destroy him after he divorced her.
But, I haven’t her tell her side yet….
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My first thought too was not a chance. Two celebrities who can’t have a good marriage what a surprise. But then I caught a minute of it and damn! This isn’t your typical celebrity break up,
The basics:
1. Amber Heard accuses Johnny Depp of abusing her and embarks on a #metoo, #domestic abuse, “I’m a victim” crusade.
2. Johnny Depp gets blacklisted and canceled and loses his career and reputation. He sues Sun for libel and loses.
3. Now he is suing her for libel, claiming the allegations are false, he is not an abuser, he is in fact the abused.
So I started listening to his testimony, which includes audio recordings of their conversations. Wow! A very clear picture is emerging. It is indeed she who is the abuser, emotionally and physically. She comes at him verbally like a steel knife while he in his slow calm voice tries to placate her. She slaps and hits him, throws things at him, supposedly put a cigarette out on his face. He is admittedly a drug abuser but there’s no evidence he ever initiated physical violence toward her or even really defended himself. He does react with counterattacks in the form of writing on things or texts, he seems unable to counter her directly. His response to these onslaughts of rage is to withdraw. He tries to get away from her by going into other rooms but she follows him not allowing him to disengage. His sister/manager knew of this and would book two hotel rooms when they traveled together to give Johnny somewhere to retreat to.
The picture emerging is of a narcissistic sociopath who targeted Depp for marriage for the purpose of getting better acting roles or money. Once legally married she was continually enraged by his imperfections and her inability to completely control him. Depp on his part had been abused in childhood by his mother and was continuing the dysfunctional pattern by “marrying his mother”.
The reason this hits home for me is I was on a jury where an abused man was eventually killed by the “little woman”. Ever since then I’ve been pissed about how domestic abuse always focuses on the female, and men who are abused are invisible. Even worse, like with Depp, they are often then victimized further by accusations that they are the abuser, resulting in job loss, reputation destruction, loss of contact with their children, and even prison.
Jordan Peterson says women use reputation destruction as their weapon of choice. Here we have a prime example. It seems Amber Heard turned her own abusive treatment of Depp around on him in order to destroy him after he divorced her.
But, I haven’t her tell her side yet….
Hmmmmm. Sounds vaguely familiar to me.
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Hmmmmm. Sounds vaguely familiar to me.
Oh no! One or more of your ex-wives?
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Who?
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Who?
What’s eating Gilbert Grape? Edward Scissorhands? And some pirate thing I never watched. I never heard of Heard til now.
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It is beyond hard to care about a hollyweird bitch who thinks she deserves half of everything her husband ever had and is willing to lie like hilary under oath to get it.
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I've never liked him, so I could care less.
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It is beyond hard to care about a hollyweird bitch who thinks she deserves half of everything her husband ever had and is willing to lie like hilary under oath to get it.
The divorce settlement was $7 million and she claimed she would donate it all to charity but hasn’t gotten around to it yet and the divorce was in 2016. They were only married 15 months. Within months after she filed for divorce she started dating Elon Musk.
After a year of dating, Musk broke up with her. I’m guessing he picked up on the red flags more quickly than Depp did and managed to escape relatively unscathed, however he is on a potential witness list for this trial and might be dragged in to testify, and he did claim the breakup was painful.
If it’s true she’s a narcissist, and we can see she is gorgeous, I can imagine she has incredible charm and can totally hypnotize a man at first. But with narcs the mask eventually comes off and their ugly nature is revealed. Her attempt to get her hands on Musk’s fortune failed.
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After a year of dating, Musk broke up with her. I’m guessing he picked up on the red flags more quickly than Depp did and managed to escape relatively unscathed, however he is on a potential witness list for this trial and might be dragged in to testify, and he did claim the breakup was painful.
If it’s true she’s a narcissist, and we can see she is gorgeous, I can imagine she has incredible charm and can totally hypnotize a man at first. But with narcs the mask eventually comes off and their ugly nature is revealed. Her attempt to get her hands on Musk’s fortune failed.
Sounds perfect! Anyone have her contact info? ::)
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Sounds perfect! Anyone have her contact info? ::)
If you can manage to hit it and quit it before she eats your head like a praying mantis. Go for it! ;D
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If it’s true she’s a narcissist, and we can see she is gorgeous, ..
"gorgeous"?
meh
not ugly, but most definitely not "gorgeous"
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"gorgeous"?
meh
not ugly, but most definitely not "gorgeous"
Agree, in some of the photos where she doesn't have the 2hr makeup job she looks decidedly plain.
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Seriously? Other than no eye makeup in the trial, presumably so she can cry and look beleaguered, she seems gorgeous to me, but what do I know about what you guys like.
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Seriously? Other than no eye makeup in the trial, presumably so she can cry and look beleaguered, she seems gorgeous to me, but what do I know about what you guys like.
It's only fair. Guys don't have any freakin' idea what women want or likes.
not ANY clue.
(does that come across as bitter? not meant to be... just being truthful)
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She's not ugly, but she's a dime a dozen in the looks department. Way too average to be as crazy as she is on the hot/crazy matrix.
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It's only fair. Guys don't have any freakin' idea what women want or likes.
not ANY clue.
(does that come across as bitter? not meant to be... just being truthful)
That’s because what we want and like changes on a minute to minute basis. ;D It doesn’t sound bitter at all; it’s realistic. I’m a woman and I have enough self insight to see how we are. Honestly I have no idea how you guys put up with us.
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That’s because what we want and like changes on a minute to minute basis. ;D It doesn’t sound bitter at all; it’s realistic. I’m a woman and I have enough self insight to see how we are. Honestly I have no idea how you guys put up with us.
There's a reason there are 24 hours in a day and 24 beers in a case.
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That’s because what we want and like changes on a minute to minute basis. ;D It doesn’t sound bitter at all; it’s realistic. I’m a woman and I have enough self insight to see how we are. Honestly I have no idea how you guys put up with us.
Some decide to not put up with it. And as to her looks, she is alluring but you can tell it's the allure of a Vampire.
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Some decide to not put up with it. And as to her looks, she is alluring but you can tell it's the allure of a Vampire.
I listened to Depp’s testimony this morning. His description of life with her sounds like pure hell. Constant criticism and insults escalating into fights he had no hope of winning. He described his close friendship with a man he was working with and how Amber was enraged about it because he was close to someone who wasn’t her, in other words, she tried to isolate him from others which is classic abuser behavior. He described how he used oxycodone to numb himself to the constant pain she dished out, that he felt he was always trying to escape her emotionally the way he had to escape his mother’s abuse when he was a child. It was a very stark picture of a man without the ability to cope with this person he found himself trapped with, as you call a “Vampire”.
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Perhaps I'm missing something. Why were they living together? With that much abuse, why didn't he just leave? Or why didn't she leave? Unless the sex was amazing, it doesn't seem worth the hassle.
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Perhaps I'm missing something. Why were they living together? With that much abuse, why didn't he just leave? Or why didn't she leave? Unless the sex was amazing, it doesn't seem worth the hassle.
They're playing another audio right now where he is trying to disengage and she is escalating the hateful yelling and incriminations. She doesn't let him get a word in edgewise. She is complaining that he walks out during arguments and he's telling her he leaves during arguments before they get physical meaning before she starts hitting him. Now he is saying it was 'like being nailed in one spot and not being allowed to react to her screaming like a banshee and telling me to calm down when I had already been pretty calm." Just her voice is so cutting and brutal. The poor guy, it's like a puppy being beaten and that's just the verbal part.
To answer your question, he DID just leave, eventually. He told her he was going to divorce her and then she jumped ahead and filed for the divorce first. They'd been dating for several years but it seems the bad fights started when they legally got married, so he'd been lured into thinking it was a reasonable relationship.
I think people stay as long as they do because first, they really did start out loving the person. Then they kept thinking they could fix things. Also in Depp's case, if you were abused as a child you think of that as "normal".
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If you can manage to hit it and quit it before she eats your head like a praying mantis. Go for it! ;D
^^^^^Best advice every given to a man by another woman!!
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It's only fair. Guys don't have any freakin' idea what women want or likes.
not ANY clue.
(does that come across as bitter? not meant to be... just being truthful)
Get out! A woman can tell a man exactly what she wants, absolutely no guessing or interpretation required, and he forgets it. She tells him again. He forgets. Or didn’t listen to it, or something. For YEARS.
I honestly feel that in a debate, women being easier to live with than men (as in married couple) would be quite a defendable stance.
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Get out! A woman can tell a man exactly what she wants, absolutely no guessing or interpretation required, and he forgets it. She tells him again. He forgets. Or didn’t listen to it, or something. For YEARS.
I honestly feel that in a debate, women being easier to live with than men (as in married couple) would be quite a defendable stance.
Well in the case of you or me, then yes. :)
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I honestly feel that in a debate, women being easier to live with than men (as in married couple) would be quite a defendable stance.
which is not inconsistent with men not understanding what a woman wants.
There is more to being easier to live with than just understanding what a woman wants.
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Well in the case of you or me, then yes. :)
Fair statement. We’re amazing.
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Wow, Heard’s attorney is bludgeoning poor Jeeves, the English butler type who managed their household.
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which is not inconsistent with men not understanding what a woman wants.
There is more to being easier to live with than just understanding what a woman wants.
Bob, you proved my point. A man doesn’t need to understand. He just needs to LISTEN and HEAR what a woman is saying.
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A man doesn’t need to understand. He just needs to LISTEN and HEAR what a woman is saying.
I'm sorry, did you say something? ;)
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Fair statement. We’re amazing.
Yes we are. In fact, I mentioned you to my husband as I was complaining about our glass top stove. I said Becky on the board agrees with me and she’s smart in fact she’s brilliant, she makes such great posts and she’s into airplanes and she’s on the right political side and she’s really cool and my husband said, “So what you’re saying is I could swap you out for her and not notice the difference.”
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Bob, you proved my point. A man doesn’t need to understand. He just needs to LISTEN and HEAR what a woman is saying.
two responses:
1 - be reasonable, do it my way
2 - ironically, you proved my point.
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Yes we are. In fact, I mentioned you to my husband as I was complaining about our glass top stove. I said Becky on the board agrees with me and she’s smart in fact she’s brilliant, she makes such great posts and she’s into airplanes and she’s on the right political side and she’s really cool and my husband said, “So what you’re saying is I could swap you out for her and not notice the difference.”
Hahahaha!!!!!
But I hate to fly. You never LISTEN to me, Rush!!! Stop being so manlike!!!
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two responses:
1 - be reasonable, do it my way
2 - ironically, you proved my point.
I have no idea what you’re talking about, Bob. But I love you anyway. :)
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Bob, you proved my point. A man doesn’t need to understand. He just needs to LISTEN and HEAR what a woman is saying.
We're fixers and problem solvers by nature. That's what gets us into trouble. You tell us your "problem" we give you "advice" on how to solve the problem. You think we're calling your dumb because you think we're saying you're not smart enough to fix it yourself. So in reality you just want to bitch about it and us to listen, go uh huh and be empathetic.
In other words, you don’t want us to "manspeak" which is a euphemism for being condescending. It then all melts down. So maybe we can not do that until you ask for it and maybe you can understand that is how we're designed and built. ;D
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I listened to Depp’s testimony this morning. His description of life with her sounds like pure hell. Constant criticism and insults escalating into fights he had no hope of winning. He described his close friendship with a man he was working with and how Amber was enraged about it because he was close to someone who wasn’t her, in other words, she tried to isolate him from others which is classic abuser behavior. He described how he used oxycodone to numb himself to the constant pain she dished out, that he felt he was always trying to escape her emotionally the way he had to escape his mother’s abuse when he was a child. It was a very stark picture of a man without the ability to cope with this person he found himself trapped with, as you call a “Vampire”.
That's EXACTLY what I dealt with in the last one. Fortunately, I pulled the plug first, but I also live in a no fault state, so.....ugh.
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Hahahaha!!!!!
But I hate to fly. You never LISTEN to me, Rush!!! Stop being so manlike!!!
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Haha!!! Well at least you’re on a pilot board. Actually I hate to fly now too. I DESPISE flying commercial. And it’s been so long now since we sold our last plane, I’m not even sure I’d still enjoy flying GA because I’m getting more and more risk averse in my old age. I don’t even like going anywhere in a car. I still love airplanes. I just don’t want to go anywhere in them anymore. Or go anywhere period. I don’t like speeding along at a high velocity relative to other solid objects such as other vehicles, buildings or the ground. It used to be thrilling. Now I guess I’m too aware of my mortality. Maybe if we got another plane and started traveling again it will come back. Or maybe I’m just winding down my life.
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That's EXACTLY what I dealt with in the last one. Fortunately, I pulled the plug first, but I also live in a no fault state, so.....ugh.
Glad you got out of it relatively unscathed, I hope. The marriage counselor that Depp and Heard saw described their joint sessions. She said Amber would talk to Johnny "like a jackhammer". When you listen to the audios between them, that's a very apt description. Each word is like a nail spat at him without letup. It's extremely dominant. I can't imagine an abused woman speaks to her abuser that way, nor a male wife beater would ever tolerate being spoken to that way.
I don't know if Depp will win the defamation suit but it sure looks like at least the public is finding out he isn't an abuser, but quite the reverse, and he can get some of his dignity and reputation back. He finally has a forum where she is forced to listen to him and can't interrupt him in court!
Of course, we haven't heard her testimony yet...
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Of course, we haven't heard her testimony yet...
True, we haven't heard Heard.
(Sorry, I really have minimal interest in this subject and only reading it for opportunities like this to post something silly.)
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Haha!!! Well at least you’re on a pilot board. Actually I hate to fly now too. I DESPISE flying commercial. And it’s been so long now since we sold our last plane, I’m not even sure I’d still enjoy flying GA because I’m getting more and more risk averse in my old age. I don’t even like going anywhere in a car. I still love airplanes. I just don’t want to go anywhere in them anymore. Or go anywhere period. I don’t like speeding along at a high velocity relative to other solid objects such as other vehicles, buildings or the ground. It used to be thrilling. Now I guess I’m too aware of my mortality. Maybe if we got another plane and started traveling again it will come back. Or maybe I’m just winding down my life.
Understood, and I relate. But the important thing is not to end up in the nursing home, gazing out the window and wishing you’d done something you’re afraid to do right now.
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Understood, and I relate. But the important thing is not to end up in the nursing home, gazing out the window and wishing you’d done something you’re afraid to do right now.
Also true. I don’t want to be in a nursing home regardless. We just this week had to put my mother in law in one. But she can’t remember anything she did or didn’t do anyway so it doesn’t really matter. She has no memory except the last 30 seconds. Talking to her is like Groundhog Day. Every 30 seconds you go back to the beginning of the conversation and it just loops around and around.
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Haha!!! Well at least you’re on a pilot board. Actually I hate to fly now too. I DESPISE flying commercial. And it’s been so long now since we sold our last plane, I’m not even sure I’d still enjoy flying GA because I’m getting more and more risk averse in my old age. I don’t even like going anywhere in a car.
That's my wife to a T. The older she gets, the more risk bothers her. She gets visibly anxious in the car or plane, and just can't seem to stand it. She wants to be in control, she wants to drive, but when she does drive she gets in the right lane and drives 55, no faster. Which drives me nuts...
Oh well, it is what it is, and we'll manage.
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That's my wife to a T. The older she gets, the more risk bothers her. She gets visibly anxious in the car or plane, and just can't seem to stand it. She wants to be in control, she wants to drive, but when she does drive she gets in the right lane and drives 55, no faster. Which drives me nuts...
Oh well, it is what it is, and we'll manage.
I don't understand this risk aversion as one gets older. You've lived most of your life, what is there really to lose? I have no quest to die in some accident nor any way, but I continue to do what I've always done, sometimes a bit more as I age. What do I have to lose? A few years drooling in some home?
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I don't understand this risk aversion as one gets older. You've lived most of your life, what is there really to lose? I have no quest to die in some accident nor any way, but I continue to do what I've always done, sometimes a bit more as I age. What do I have to lose? A few years drooling in some home?
possibly with age comes wisdom and understanding of risks.
Also, the young heal much much much quicker than us old farts. When I broke my collarbone, my physical therapist said that she broke hers when she was 15 and was pretty much back to normal in 3 months. I was 54 ... and didn't regain symmetric range of motion for 12 months and was taking OTC pain meds for 2 years.
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I don't understand this risk aversion as one gets older. You've lived most of your life, what is there really to lose? I have no quest to die in some accident nor any way, but I continue to do what I've always done, sometimes a bit more as I age. What do I have to lose? A few years drooling in some home?
That's me. I still fly, I still drive and ride fast, I still crew on racing sailboats, and pretty much enjoy just as I always have.
The only thing that bothers me is I can see her becoming homebound if this continues, and I yearn to travel and see the country. Any suggestion of maybe seeing someone about the issue is met with strong resistance.
For better or for worse, as they say.
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I don't understand this risk aversion as one gets older. You've lived most of your life, what is there really to lose? I have no quest to die in some accident nor any way, but I continue to do what I've always done, sometimes a bit more as I age. What do I have to lose? A few years drooling in some home?
I don’t fear dying, I fear not dying. Young people bounce back fast from an accident but as we get older, injuries become a much bigger deal with less likelihood of full recovery, higher likelihood of chronic pain and disability.
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I don’t fear dying, I fear not dying. Young people bounce back fast from an accident but as we get older, injuries become a much bigger deal with less likelihood of full recovery, higher likelihood of chronic pain and disability.
TETO, but I'm not going to stop doing what I love for fear of what if's. Hell, some strange disease could put me in pain later in life, and if that happens I'll feel a hell of a lot better knowing I did that I did while I could still do it!
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That's my wife to a T. The older she gets, the more risk bothers her. She gets visibly anxious in the car or plane, and just can't seem to stand it. She wants to be in control, she wants to drive, but when she does drive she gets in the right lane and drives 55, no faster. Which drives me nuts...
Oh well, it is what it is, and we'll manage.
Being in control is my issue. That’s the biggest problem I have with flying commercial. (At least until mask mandates.) I feel like I’m sealed up in a dark coffin which is then hurtled through space by strangers I’ve never met. I never had any anxiety flying a plane by myself. When my husband flew I knew his qualifications and besides I was in the right seat and could take over if need be.
Not so in the car. I’m not as bad as your wife but I drive much more conservatively than my husband. There’s no right seat controls in the car and we are way closer to a bunch of other reckless idiots all around us.
To give you an example, say we need to exit right in a half mile and we are behind a car that’s just a couple miles per hour slower than we are. My husband will accelerate and go around that car, whereas I will slow down a bit and stay put. If that car is going more than just a few mph too slow then I will also go around it, but my willingness to adjust my own driving in order to reduce lane changes is higher than my husband’s.
Years ago I experienced a close call when a car going at extreme speed suddenly showed up behind me after I changed lanes. He would have hit me except he veered up onto the sidewalk. We both stopped and I asked him if he was okay. He was a young guy, he admitted he was going way too fast, to his credit he took responsibility. Of course I was a young hot chick back then so maybe that had something to do with his attitude. Anyway nobody was hurt and no damage done so no harm no foul and we went our separate ways.
To me, eliminating the risk of a needless lane change is worth sacrificing 3 mph in speed for a lousy half mile. To my husband, his impatience doesn’t allow that. To his mind if he doesn’t get in front of “that idiot” then I guess he thinks he’ll be trapped behind them forever depending on what happens at the bottom of the exit ramp. I don’t see it that way. Usually that car goes elsewhere once we’ve exited.
Although I’m with you about the 55 thing. I go whatever average traffic speed is which is usually about 10 over the limit. People going the exact limit drive me nuts and I’ll go around them unless there’s a good reason not to.
I think it’s some sort of innate gender thing. Men are by default much, much more adventurous than women on average and this trend continues through life. Although I wanted to be an astronaut when young, I had no problem with the idea of being sealed up in a rocket ship. And flying commercial didn’t bother me back then. But for some reason women’s risk taking really crashes (no pun intended) in the later decades of life. Maybe it’s one reason we outlive you guys so much.
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To give you an example, say we need to exit right in a half mile and we are behind a car that’s just a couple miles per hour slower than we are. My husband will accelerate and go around that car
That is me (and many guys) in a nutshell. We are very similar couples.
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That's me. I still fly, I still drive and ride fast, I still crew on racing sailboats, and pretty much enjoy just as I always have.
The only thing that bothers me is I can see her becoming homebound if this continues, and I yearn to travel and see the country. Any suggestion of maybe seeing someone about the issue is met with strong resistance.
For better or for worse, as they say.
That is true. I have resolved not to do that, I will deal with the discomfort and travel to an extent. Past my comfort zone my husband will go on his own. I won’t expect him to slow down on account of me.
In fact, he and some other male members of our family recently did this!
https://www.drivetanks.com/
But they didn’t want or expect us ladies to come along.
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I don't understand this risk aversion as one gets older. You've lived most of your life, what is there really to lose? I have no quest to die in some accident nor any way, but I continue to do what I've always done, sometimes a bit more as I age. What do I have to lose? A few years drooling in some home?
With age a realization begins to build that every day is one less day you have.
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With age a realization begins to build that every day is one less day you have.
So you can have one of two reactions. Either have more risky fun so as not to miss anything, or have less risky fun so as to better your odds of maximizing the number of days you have left. You can't assume that those of us who reduce certain risks are enjoying life less.
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You can't assume that those of us who reduce certain risks are enjoying life less.
Agree, which is why I prefaced with "to each their own!"
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I think that with age comes a better understanding of what the risks really are. I can't believe some of the things I did when I was younger. I just didn't know how risky it was. Like the time I flew from the Central Coast of California to Tehachapi. The California central valley was completely fogged in and I was flying over it. And there I was fat dumb and happy with no thought to what might happen if the engine failed. No way would I do that now. I'd still make that trip in a single engine aircraft, but I'd wait until conditions at least allowed me to see the ground. I'm happier in an SUV than on a motorcycle these days. I don't feel the need to challenge a 20 knot crosswind in my taildragger right now. But I'm working up to it to reduce the risk of someday being up there and it's right sporty down there. I'm still having a lot of fun, but the cost / benefit analysis is somewhat more robust today than it was when I was 20.
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I think that with age comes a better understanding of what the risks really are. I can't believe some of the things I did when I was younger. I just didn't know how risky it was. Like the time I flew from the Central Coast of California to Tehachapi. The California central valley was completely fogged in and I was flying over it. And there I was fat dumb and happy with no thought to what might happen if the engine failed. No way would I do that now. I'd still make that trip in a single engine aircraft, but I'd wait until conditions at least allowed me to see the ground. I'm happier in an SUV than on a motorcycle these days. I don't feel the need to challenge a 20 knot crosswind in my taildragger right now. But I'm working up to it to reduce the risk of someday being up there and it's right sporty down there. I'm still having a lot of fun, but the cost / benefit analysis is somewhat more robust today than it was when I was 20.
A nice balanced approach!
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Wow, today’s testimony is some psychologist who tested and treated Heard. She concluded she has Borderline Personality Disorder and Histrionic Personality Disorder. Her descriptions of those disorders is spot on describing what Depp described dealing with. She did say they are very charming at first. Partly because they mirror you, they take on your interests and stuff so you think you met your soul mate, but in reality they are superficial and it’s not real. Later when they have you close in a relationship their extreme fear of abandonment comes out and then when you don’t meet their perfect expectations they turn on you hard.
Also she said Heard does not have outright PTSD but has just 3 symptoms, however the symptoms were present before she ever met Depp and were more likely from childhood. They are also consistent with BPD and might not be PTSD at all. So Heard claiming she had PTSD from abuse from Depp is totally made up.
Edit: I can’t help but have some sympathy for Heard at having the most intimate details of her medical history and basic personality publicly displayed in such detail. I wonder if she had to consent to that? What does HIPPA say about your healthcare information in the case of lawsuits?
This kind of serious personality disorder isn’t the person’s fault. They are horrible destructive people but they didn’t ask to be this way. And they are deeply unhappy. The fear of abandonment causes them to repeatedly create the very abandonment they seek to avoid. They don’t have stable fulfilling relationships in the long run because anybody that does love them they eventually drive away. Personality is something pervasive with you involuntarily throughout life although you can work on controlling certain aspects of it.
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My last wife is borderline and histrionic. She had ALL the classic symptoms and behavior. I'm no psychiatrist but I think it stems from her father committing suicide when she was 13 y.o. or so.
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So you can have one of two reactions. Either have more risky fun so as not to miss anything, or have less risky fun so as to better your odds of maximizing the number of days you have left. You can't assume that those of us who reduce certain risks are enjoying life less.
I’m at that point with my flying. I’m in the CAF, and have the potential to train to get checked out in our Wing’s T-6 (actually an SNJ-5.) It will probably involve $8-$10k in ab initio training at a Warbird training outfit before getting to check out in our SNJ. 6 years ago I became a warbird pilot starting out in our Wing’s PT-26 to gain tailwheel experience and fly a (slow) warbird, all in anticipation of stepping up to the T-6.
Now, I’m not as excited about trying to tame a T-6. Part of it might be that I now own a 1949 NAavion, and love flying it, but if I’m being honest, I’m a little more intimidated to fly a T-6 now than I was 6 years ago. I’m 62 and maybe a little more cautious.
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I’m at that point with my flying. I’m in the CAF, and have the potential to train to get checked out in our Wing’s T-6 (actually an SNJ-5.) It will probably involve $8-$10k in ab initio training at a Warbird training outfit before getting to check out in our SNJ. 6 years ago I became a warbird pilot starting out in our Wing’s PT-26 to gain tailwheel experience and fly a (slow) warbird, all in anticipation of stepping up to the T-6.
Now, I’m not as excited about trying to tame a T-6. Part of it might be that I now own a 1949 NAavion, and love flying it, but if I’m being honest, I’m a little more intimidated to fly a T-6 now than I was 6 years ago. I’m 62 and maybe a little more cautious.
Way, way cool!! The BT-13 is on my short list of when I win the lottery planes. T6 with fixed gear. Keeps the insurance rates lower not being a retract. :) I'm more intimidated by trying to maintain the thing than flying it. I'm seriously jealous of your access to that aircraft stable.
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Way, way cool!! The BT-13 is on my short list of when I win the lottery planes. T6 with fixed gear. Keeps the insurance rates lower not being a retract. :) I'm more intimidated by trying to maintain the thing than flying it. I'm seriously jealous of your access to that aircraft stable.
If I may ask, where do you live?
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If I may ask, where do you live?
Just a bit nort' of you. Door County.
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My last wife is borderline and histrionic. She had ALL the classic symptoms and behavior. I'm no psychiatrist but I think it stems from her father committing suicide when she was 13 y.o. or so.
Wow. Maybe, or maybe mental illness ran in the genes. Either way, tragic.
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I bet that judge is a lesbian. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Something tells me she might also be a Republican.
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Served four years active duty with the Marines, yep!
Married with four children. Nope!
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I bet that judge is a lesbian. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Something tells me she might also be a Republican.
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Served four years active duty with the Marines, yep!
Married with four children. Nope!
Not so fast, I have a friend at church, he and his wife have three kids. They are now separated she posts FB pics with her GF.
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Not so fast, I have a friend at church, he and his wife have three kids. They are now separated she posts FB pics with her GF.
Doh! Back to square one.
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Just a bit nort' of you. Door County.
Ah, ok. Some people travel quite a distance to Waukesha county to participate in the Wisconsin Wing. We have a North American SNJ-5, Beechcraft T-34, and Fairchild PT-26.
The Minnesota Wing flies out of the South St Paul airport, and flies a Ryan PT-22, Stinson L-5, a Navion L-17, a Vultee BT-13, a North American T-6 and a North American B-25.
There are requirements to fly these aircraft and I can share those with you if you want to PM me.
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When Amber has an orgasm....
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Amber Heard is telling her side of the story today. Hahahahahaha! A complete opposite of Johnny’s. You would never know they were describing the same relationship. One of them is lying. Johnny swore under oath he never struck her. Now she is swearing under oath he repeatedly struck her. What a shit show.
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It resumed yesterday after a week vacation and now Amber Heard is being cross examined. What a train wreck. Whether Depp is an abuser or not, he is definitely a mess. She is a bigger mess in my opinion, and their relationship is completely dysfunctional. If some of the things she claims did happen, then Depp is guilty of abuse and assault. However, she has a big problem with credibility. The overall picture still strongly suggests she is the bigger bully in the relationship and Depp was mostly on the defensive.
She comes across as rewriting history to fit a new narrative. For example, in the recording of an argument when he was attempting to disengage from a vicious argument, she has a complete meltdown. She screams that she will die if he leaves. He only wants to go off by himself for a couple hours to calm down. But on the stand when asked to explain why she was so hysterical at the idea, she claims that it was because she was detecting that he was in the process of “entering the part of the cycle” where he starts to use drugs and become addict Johnny again. That sounded like she had read it straight out of rehab treatment literature and prepared the explanation long after the actual event. During the recording it is far more believable that she was reacting with the fear of abandonment that is a major feature of borderline personality disorder.
Also, it is coming out that while she was publicizing her alleged abusive relationship, she expanded it into themes of general toxic male patriarchal behavior. In other words, she is participating in the woke, metoo, anti-male cult that is one of the current things up about which it is popular to get riled.
So I get the feeling that her story is being embellished to support a political agenda. She is an “ACLU ambassador of women’s rights”. It’s just too convenient that the worse her personal story sounds the more public sympathy raised for the cause.
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Ooops!
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Ooops!
Thank you! I didn’t know about the Kate Moss reference, here is the explanation taken from the comments to that video:
For those asking for an explanation of the Kate Moss implications:
1. Kate Moss was listed as a character witness for JD, but was barred from testifying, as past relationships are not deemed relevant to the case (restricted to just the parties; JD & AH).
2. Because AH mentioned her, and raised the specter of JD pushing KM down stairs, JD’s team can now call Kate Moss to the stand as a rebuttal witness.
3. Kate Moss is a JD supporter, and never reported any such incident…it’s a figment in AH’s mind.
4. Kate Moss will likely testify that JD was NEVER abusive, violent to her or pushed her down the stairs.
5. This may (albeit still to be determined) open up the line of questioning into AH’s past relationships - where she actually has an arrest record for DV - against her former wife/girlfriend, since she brought up one of JD’s past relationships.
Although we, the public, have greater access to this information, the jury DOES NOT, as some of this info is barred as being either prejudicial or not relevant “to the parties”.
The point about the jury is spot on. When I was on a jury for a case where the man was killed by the woman, we were not allowed to know that she had thrown a flammable liquid on someone in the past and lit it on fire! None of her prior history of psychopathic behavior was told to us during the trial. It was all just about that relationship (they were living together but unmarried).
There was another moment she screwed up but it was a video of a previous screw up during the deposition for the earlier UK trial. They played the video for this trial. She testified that just after she and her lawyer filed the divorce papers, she attempted to get in touch with Johnny to tell him she was filing for divorce before he read about it in the news. She was very desperate to talk to him urgently. When asked why it was so urgent she said “because it had already been leaked to TMZ”. Whoops! How did she know that her filing for divorce today was already leaked to an online news outlet? She had that same look on her face then too. She tried to cover it by suggesting it was Depp’s lawyer that leaked it. That makes no sense to me.
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unless AH knows that KM's testimony would help her case.... and AH has cleverly maneuvered JD's team into making a mistake...
think about it.
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I think they're both crazy, but Amber more so. That's all. I like Depp as an actor. One of the first time I saw him was in the movie "Platoon". I liked his character then, although it wasn't a huge part.
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unless AH knows that KM's testimony would help her case.... and AH has cleverly maneuvered JD's team into making a mistake...
think about it.
Possibly, I don’t know anything about Moss other than the quote I posted. I’m taking it at face value. It’s not a foregone conclusion Depp’s team will now subpoena Moss. They’re in a time crunch now, the closing arguments are scheduled for just before Memorial Day I believe.
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unless AH knows that KM's testimony would help her case.... and AH has cleverly maneuvered JD's team into making a mistake...
think about it.
Doubt it. That's a big gamble hoping your case is made by name dropping an ex from 20 years ago on the stand. She's just crazy who can't afford a great legal team and it's showing.
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I think they're both crazy, but Amber more so. That's all. I like Depp as an actor. One of the first time I saw him was in the movie "Platoon". I liked his character then, although it wasn't a huge part.
Yes, they are both majorly messed up. Amber’s testimony does portray the depths of Depp’s addiction issues and I do believe her about him being hell to deal with due to the drugs, and that she was trying to get him to quit. But what that describes is a sick codependency and her attempting to manipulate and control him. A normal, psychologically healthy person would leave a new relationship the minute it became clear they were a long term addict. Besides, Amber herself was doing drugs and drank like a fish. She was telling Johnny to get sober while she guzzled wine in front of him daily. Johnny claimed that Amber’s badgering him caused him to do more drugs, to numb himself to it, and I believe that also. It was a vicious cycle.
For his part, Johnny should never have gotten entangled with a female so young in today’s #metoo environment. Both of them made a terrible decision in picking the other. Two unhealthy people meet and idealize each other during the initial romantic infatuation, then can’t deal with the other as a flawed human being.
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Yes, they are both majorly messed up. Amber’s testimony does portray the depths of Depp’s addiction issues and I do believe her about him being hell to deal with due to the drugs, and that she was trying to get him to quit. But what that describes is a sick codependency and her attempting to manipulate and control him. A normal, psychologically healthy person would leave a new relationship the minute it became clear they were a long term addict. Besides, Amber herself was doing drugs and drank like a fish. She was telling Johnny to get sober while she guzzled wine in front of him daily. Johnny claimed that Amber’s badgering him caused him to do more drugs, to numb himself to it, and I believe that also. It was a vicious cycle.
For his part, Johnny should never have gotten entangled with a female so young in today’s #metoo environment. Both of them made a terrible decision in picking the other. Two unhealthy people meet and idealize each other during the initial romantic infatuation, then can’t deal with the other as a flawed human being.
The one thing you need to examine and yes "blame" in these types of relationships is yourself and ask why.
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I think they're both crazy, but Amber more so. That's all. I like Depp as an actor. One of the first time I saw him was in the movie "Platoon". I liked his character then, although it wasn't a huge part.
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I never knew that was Depp.
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I never knew that was Depp.
I remember when he was on a talk show once imitating Tom Berenger's gruff voice talking to him between takes when they were filming.
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I don’t know much about Depp, but he didn’t seem to take himself too seriously in this video with Terri Clark:
https://youtu.be/plJMQeKpz40
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People need to do what I do.
Every time one of these assholes proclaim something out of bounds I immediately start using it more... much more.
Fuck 'em.
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People need to do what I do.
Every time one of these assholes proclaim something out of bounds I immediately start using it more... much more.
Fuck 'em.
All you guys here need to start wearing kilts!
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My wife says I have great legs…
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It’s some sort of secret cult we don’t know about!!! Hahahaha!!!
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It’s some sort of secret cult we don’t know about!!! Hahahaha!!!
I'd never seen four different views of hilary before.
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It’s some sort of secret cult we don’t know about!!! Hahahaha!!!
The cult of psychopathic control freaks.
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It’s some sort of secret cult we don’t know about!!! Hahahaha!!!
WTF??? LOL!!!
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/johnny-depp-verdict-actor-wins-defamation-case-amber-heard
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/johnny-depp-verdict-actor-wins-defamation-case-amber-heard
At the end of the day she just wasn’t credible, didn’t present convincing evidence and in fact the only real evidence of physical abuse was by her against Johnny. The jury got it right. But she’ll appeal it.
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I don't find her appealing at all.
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I don't find her appealing at all.
I think she is physically beautiful just structurally, but her haughty demeanor, cold, vicious verbal deliveries, and melodramatic renditions during testimony plus her woke ideology, all makes the whole package very unattractive.
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Very.
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Dr. Grande concludes:
“The age of elevating accusers to a level of infallibility appears to be over.”
Good! The “believe her” #metoo movement has been dealt a severe blow. One of the comments to this video:
You won’t believe how the whole system was degraded after metoo movement. Lawyers ADVISING women to make false sexual accusations, “coercive control” could land a man in prison and standards of proof are ridiculously low. So if you DISAGREE with a woman in spending that can be considered as “coercive control” with CRIMINAL CHARGES.
Men are starting to avoid women - it’s too risky!
Yes, in the trial it came out that “abuse” is defined broadly. Can be financial control. Psychological control. Amber Heard claimed Johnny abused her by telling her she couldn’t take a movie role where she had to wear revealing clothes. My opinion: That is not abuse. Go make the movie. If a man holds a gun to your head then that’s different. But rendering an opinion about what you do, or arguing with you about your spending habits is not abuse. If you stay with that man and put up with it, that’s on you.
We need to go back to defining abuse as non consensual physical harm, period. And even then you better have evidence of it before you ruin a person’s life.
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Great result of this trial is that I found out Johnny Depp is also a rock star. Anybody remember Hedy Lamarr?
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Speaking of Depp and Heard, I was unaware that the ACLU ghostwrote the Heard article in the Washington Post that was the target of Depp's defamation suit. Quoting from the following article:
As the ACLU Recedes From Its Core Mission, FIRE Expands To Fill the Void (https://reason.com/video/2022/06/23/as-the-aclu-recedes-from-its-core-mission-fire-expands-to-fill-the-void/)
Because of the social media circus surrounding the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard defamation trial, it was easy to overlook one of the principal—yet least likely—actors in the courtroom drama: the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which ghostwrote and placed the 2018 Washington Post op-ed by Heard about surviving domestic abuse that was the basis of the trial.
It's only the latest example of how the group has in recent years strayed from its original mission of defending speech, no matter how vile. Awash with money after former President Donald Trump was elected, the ACLU transformed into an organization that championed progressive causes, undermining the principled neutrality that helped make it a powerful advocate for the rights of clients ranging from Nazis to socialists.
It questioned the due process rights of college students accused of sexual assault and harassment under Title IX rules. It ran partisan ads against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh and for Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams, a move that current Executive Director Anthony Romero told The New York Times was a mistake. The ACLU also called for the federal government to forgive $50,000 per borrower in student loans.
As the ACLU recedes from its mission, enter another free speech organization, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, or FIRE. Founded in 1999 to combat speech codes on college campuses, FIRE is expanding to go well beyond the university and changing its name to the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. The group has raised $29 million toward a three-year "litigation, opinion research and public education campaign aimed at boosting and solidifying support for free-speech values."
"I think there have been better moments for freedom of speech when it comes to the culture," says FIRE's president, Greg Lukianoff. "When it comes to the law, the law is about as good as it's ever been. But when it comes to the culture, our argument is that it's gotten a lot worse and that we don't have to accept it."
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Great result of this trial is that I found out Johnny Depp is also a rock star. Anybody remember Hedy Lamarr?
Jeff Beck is a rock star. Dep is a good actor trying to portray a rock star. But, yeah, I knew he had a band and is friends with a lot of established rock stars. Including Keith Richard from the Rolling Stones who his Pirate character is based.
That's Hedly.
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Speaking of Depp and Heard, I was unaware that the ACLU ghostwrote the Heard article in the Washington Post that was the target of Depp's defamation suit.
Collaborating with the ACLU is exactly what brought her to this point of total ruination. She could have kept her $7M divorce settlement, kept her mouth shut, and continued with her career free from public hatred. But she fell victim to the #metoo movement being the current thing. Wokology must be all around her in the entertainment industry. She took up the cause because she was able to take on the identity of abuse victim (personality disorder: “I’m never responsible, I’m always the victim,”) while at the same time using it to be in the spotlight and get attention for herself.
She was prey to the ACLU. They used her to promote their woke “believe all women” agenda and for money. She mistakenly thought all the world would be on her side just like all woke elites are completely disconnected from normal reality. They exist in a fantasy bubble. She is now utterly shocked to discover that there’s a whole world of people out here who don’t automatically assume all men are toxic oppressors.
She was manipulated into publishing the op ed by the ACLU and then when Depp sued she had to try to uphold a flimsy set of “evidence” to back up the fantasy that she had constructed which I believe she actually has convinced herself is true. Her personality disorder forces her to cast herself as innocent victim. She cannot see herself as the abuser. She must blame all others for what goes wrong in her life, never accept responsibility for any of it herself.
When she says on the stand “I never saw myself as a victim,” she is simply repeating current politically correct language: We are domestic abuse survivors, not victims. It’s politically incorrect to use the word “victim”. Same thing these days with cancer. “I’m a cancer survivor.” Can’t say “cancer victim” anymore.
With all woke movements, language is doublespeak. Metoo says, “You made a pass at me, I’m a victim of toxic male harassment, no wait, I’m a survivor of harassment in the workplace. I don’t see myself as a victim, I am a strong independent woman!” (I am too weak to fend off a sexual pass without running to HR.)
That moment on the stand was so ironic. Dripping with cold poison, she glares at Johnny, and says she isn’t a victim, when her entire story is that she is his victim, yet the underlying reality is that this is the one thing she says that is actually true.
And the sad thing is, she doesn’t even know it. Her personality disorders do not allow her to admit the truth: That she is a destructive toxic woman who was taken in by a powerful organization that used her for money and publicity, and now that it all blew up in her face, she still cannot admit the truth and is continuing to self destruct by continuing to repeat the libelous accusations against Depp to this day.
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Destructive, entitled, intellectually disconnected, angry without reason, toxic???
Oh, I get it. She is like the democrats.
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Collaborating with the ACLU is exactly what brought her to this point of total ruination. She could have kept her $7M divorce settlement, kept her mouth shut, and continued with her career free from public hatred. But she fell victim to the #metoo movement being the current thing. Wokology must be all around her in the entertainment industry. She took up the cause because she was able to take on the identity of abuse victim (personality disorder: “I’m never responsible, I’m always the victim,”) while at the same time using it to be in the spotlight and get attention for herself.
She was prey to the ACLU. They used her to promote their woke “believe all women” agenda and for money. She mistakenly thought all the world would be on her side just like all woke elites are completely disconnected from normal reality. They exist in a fantasy bubble. She is now utterly shocked to discover that there’s a whole world of people out here who don’t automatically assume all men are toxic oppressors.
She was manipulated into publishing the op ed by the ACLU and then when Depp sued she had to try to uphold a flimsy set of “evidence” to back up the fantasy that she had constructed which I believe she actually has convinced herself is true. Her personality disorder forces her to cast herself as innocent victim. She cannot see herself as the abuser. She must blame all others for what goes wrong in her life, never accept responsibility for any of it herself.
When she says on the stand “I never saw myself as a victim,” she is simply repeating current politically correct language: We are domestic abuse survivors, not victims. It’s politically incorrect to use the word “victim”. Same thing these days with cancer. “I’m a cancer survivor.” Can’t say “cancer victim” anymore.
With all woke movements, language is doublespeak. Metoo says, “You made a pass at me, I’m a victim of toxic male harassment, no wait, I’m a survivor of harassment in the workplace. I don’t see myself as a victim, I am a strong independent woman!” (I am too weak to fend off a sexual pass without running to HR.)
That moment on the stand was so ironic. Dripping with cold poison, she glares at Johnny, and says she isn’t a victim, when her entire story is that she is his victim, yet the underlying reality is that this is the one thing she says that is actually true.
And the sad thing is, she doesn’t even know it. Her personality disorders do not allow her to admit the truth: That she is a destructive toxic woman who was taken in by a powerful organization that used her for money and publicity, and now that it all blew up in her face, she still cannot admit the truth and is continuing to self destruct by continuing to repeat the libelous accusations against Depp to this day.
Perfectly articulated and all true.
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Destructive, entitled, intellectually disconnected, angry without reason, toxic???
Oh, I get it. She is like the democrats.
I was thinking that myself. The far left suffers from a collective case of cluster B traits. Woke identity politics is a collective manifestation of a disorder such as Amber has: casting themselves as eternal victims of some other evil entity and unable to recognize their own role in their misfortune.
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That's Hedly.
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Hedy...
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Anybody remember Hedy Lamarr?
That's HEDLEY!
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That's HEDLEY!
See reply #104. ;D
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Beat me to it!!
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Beat me to it!!
Greatest movie ever. And still relevant! Lol!
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Greatest movie ever. And still relevant! Lol!
Still relevant, yet impossible to make in the woke 2020s.
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Still relevant, yet impossible to make in the woke 2020s.
That didn't stop the producers of top gun 2 and crowds flocked to it.
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That didn't stop the producers of top gun 2 and crowds flocked to it.
Have you ever seen Blazing Saddles? There’s probably not a single group - race, religion, sexual orientation - that was not the subject of jokes in that movie. Probably not something that Top Gun 2 had to worry about.
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Have you ever seen Blazing Saddles? There’s probably not a single group - race, religion, sexual orientation - that was not the subject of jokes in that movie. Probably not something that Top Gun 2 had to worry about.
The modern totalitarian pussies of the left only need t imagine a grievance to burst into tears and start burning down entire cities.
Until the rest of the world tells their pussy asses No and means it, it will get worse.
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If you haven't kept up since the verdict, Amber Heard and her supporters have been engaging in a campaign to silence all critics. They have attacked YouTube creators who support Depp OR who just report on the case objectively. It has become a "woke" cause and the entire left seems to have embraced it. Despite Depp winning the case with overwhelming evidence, that not only is he innocent of defamation, HE is the victim of domestic abuse, the SJWs and the left remain in denial continuing to insist "all women should be believed" and are actively engaged in war against all supporters of Depp.
Here we have woke CUNY (City University of New York) deleting an article by the youngest member of Depp's legal team, caving to the left's demands to cancel her.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/university-removes-article-about-alumna-because-she-worked-on-johnny-depps-legal-team?seyid=15117