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Spin Zone / Re: "Red Flag" laws....That's it?
« on: August 10, 2019, 11:41:33 AM »
Agreed. In VT the respondent does have an avenue to appeal the order, but it's not clear to me whether they can keep their weapons while the appeal process goes through or whether they have to surrender them until then (I suspect they have to surrender).

The due process side needs to be refined, no question about it. But the alternative is NO means of disarming someone who is a genuine threat, until they have already killed someone.

Define genuine threat, and why current laws don’t already cover this?

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Spin Zone / Re: "Red Flag" laws....That's it?
« on: August 10, 2019, 11:04:02 AM »
Part of the problem with the "Red Flag" laws is the ex parte aspect of it.  The person who is the subject of the petition doesn't have an opportunity to defend herself.

Exactly.

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Spin Zone / Re: "Red Flag" laws....That's it?
« on: August 10, 2019, 10:45:06 AM »
My observation over the last few years is that we seem to be getting away from the 'Innocent until proven guilty' to Guilty until you prove yourself innocent'.  I really do hope I'm wrong.

The progressive left keeps pushing this. And of course, for them they want “innocent until proven guilty” but everyone else shall be guilty and they shall have to prove themselves innocent. 


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Spin Zone / Re: "Red Flag" laws....That's it?
« on: August 10, 2019, 09:23:11 AM »
So, a number of states have so-called Red Flag laws which remove guns from people who are somehow deemed a threat to themselves or others.

All they do is take away the girl's firearms?  That's it?

If these people really are threats to themselves or others, why don't they take other actions?  Of course, that leads to questions about what else can they do?

I've read the Massachusetts law and that's all I could find in the law, but I'm not a lawyer, I don't play one on TV, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.  Do the "Red Flag" laws in other states provide anything meaningful?

No. 

Ask yourself this question.  What does it take to enact a “red flag” law, and why don’t other laws apply?

Our judicial rights are explicit. “Innocent until proven guilty”.  How does enacting a law to prevent “what someone may do” comply with judicial rights?

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Prison cells, especially those for people on suicide watch, just like rooms in Hospital Psych Units are designed to not have anything in which a person can use to hang themselves.  I find it hard to believe there was anything he could use, nor an attach point to use.

And on suicide watch there are cameras in the cell.    Let's see the video.   "Oh, um, gee, something happened and the video wasn't captured"..............

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Perhaps some day, they will make a prison cell that doesn’t have something high enough from which you can hang yourself. Especially for those on suicide watch.

What a fucking joke.

 I typically don't follow Ann Coulter, but she was right on this one.    https://summit.news/2019/07/25/ann-coulter-get-epstein-to-a-super-max-prison-before-he-is-suicided/

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And once again, we watch the Clintons skate away.

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Um, yea.

Nothing to see here!

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His lawsuit indicates he’s willing to roll over to get what he wants. 

Lots of folks should be really nervous about this. 

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https://lauraloomer.us/2019/08/08/exclusive-peter-strzok-lawsuit-reveals-he-had-28-year-on-paper-army-career-while-working-at-fbi-cia/#.XU3ryLpOnYW

Very interesting read.  The more that comes to light, the more it becomes obvious as to who was behind this whole mess (hint: initials BHO)

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Spin Zone / Re: Why are so many Democrats running for President?
« on: August 09, 2019, 02:41:53 PM »
Yep.  Just like the press does to trump all the time. 

Set up a "gotcha moment".  Then only report half of it.

I don't like it either way.

Oh silly.......you probably only reported half of it due to a time restraint!

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Spin Zone / Re: Why are so many Democrats running for President?
« on: August 09, 2019, 01:13:05 PM »
  Again, my problem was more with the fact he said there were three genders.  WTF was he talking about?

Oh, that's just wacky creepy Uncle Joe.........You know, the guy that can make racist remarks, grope women, etc.........

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Spin Zone / Re: Why are so many Democrats running for President?
« on: August 09, 2019, 12:53:25 PM »
I'm sorry.  I know I'm not supposed to take Biden's side because he is one of "them", but that little bitch deserved it.  Or worse.  I don't care if she is upset because nobody should treat her like that.  But it's ok if she treats someone like shit.

How did she treat Biden "like shit"?

Asking a question of a presidential candidate is now wrong?  Yes, it may have been snarky, but it reveals Biden as being out of touch.


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Spin Zone / Re: Joke Thread: Post 'em if ya got 'em
« on: August 09, 2019, 12:15:37 PM »
I thought this was supposed to be a joke thread.

A mother and father take their 6-year old son to a family nude beach. As the boy walks along the sand, he notices that many of the women have boobs bigger than his mother’s, so he goes back to ask her why.
She tells her son, “The bigger they are, the sillier the lady is.”
The boy, pleased with the answer, goes to play in the ocean but returns to tell his mother that many of the men have larger things than his dad does.She replies,
“The bigger they are, the dumber the man is”.

Again satisfied with her answer, the boy goes back to the ocean to play. Shortly thereafter, the boy returns and promptly tells his mother:
“Daddy is talking to the silliest lady on the beach, and the longer he talks, the dumber he gets”.

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Spin Zone / Re: The Charlottesville Lie
« on: August 09, 2019, 11:51:45 AM »

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