PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on November 05, 2017, 02:03:39 PM
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I'm never going to church again without my you know what.
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I'm never going to church again without my you know what.
I was just thinking that. A lot of CCW holders do not carry at church out of "respect" I guess. Not me. It is just another soft target for the most part, and if someone had a gun in that Texas church, things would have ended differently. I wonder if the church has a no gun policy?
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I was just thinking that. A lot of CCW holders do not carry at church out of "respect" I guess. Not me. It is just another soft target for the most part, and if someone had a gun in that Texas church, things would have ended differently. I wonder if the church has a no gun policy?
Good question. I really don't understand that thinking. Carrying a gun has nothing to do with lack of respect. Makes no sense to me at all.
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It doesn’t seem to have been reported on much, if at all, but I understand an armed citizen stopped the shooter.
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It doesn’t seem to have been reported on much, if at all, but I understand an armed citizen stopped the shooter.
Well of course. The idea of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun is counter to the left's script. This guy appears to have had mental issues and got a BCD from the Air Force. Unclear to me how he managed to legally buy a gun with a spousal abuse charge and a bad conduct discharge. He had a courts martial for beating his wife, that is a federal felony.
I am hearing the same. A neighbor shot at the suspect, then chased him down with is girlfriend using his truck. They found the suspect dead but it's unclear yet whether the neighbor shot him, he shot himself or he died in a crash. I suspect we'll find out today.
I took a gun class a couple of years back. The guy that taught it said that he knew there were at least 5 members of his church who carried.
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Until this point I've only carried when I thought there was some appreciable risk. I'm starting to re-thing this strategy, it may be time to EDC everythwere it is lawfully allowed.
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Until this point I've only carried when I thought there was some appreciable risk. I'm starting to re-thing this strategy, it may be time to EDC everythwere it is lawfully allowed.
I have a CCW permit (LTCF in my state). I only carry on some weekends when out, and about as my employer does not allow firearms, and I value my job. Therefore, I am not in the "habit" of carrying, so often just go unarmed evenings, and weekends. As do most of us, I live in a "nice" area with very low crime. These incidents, and reports of car jackings, home invasions, and other crimes are making me re-think my habits as well.
There is a nice man made lake near where I live in a state park with swimming area, boating, fishing, and also a public pool/swim club. A neighbor of mine's son is a township cop, and I talk to him from time to time. I was surprised to learn that undesirable elements travel far distances to come to this park. I guess it is relatively unique. So we get people from the big city, and other environs which include MS-13 gang members. He indicated they are called their pretty regularly for altercations in the summer months. I had NO idea this was going on virtually in my back yard.
It seems situational awareness is just as important on the ground as in the air.
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There is a nice man made lake near where I live in a state park with swimming area, boating, fishing, and also a public pool/swim club.
It seems situational awareness is just as important on the ground as in the air.
Last night my wife and I had dinner at a restaurant in an upscale mall area, quite a ways from poor sections of town. Afterwards walking towards the car I noticed a man following us, but he was well dressed and assumed he was another mall patron walking to his car. AS I went to get in, he walked up and asked for money. Luckily he was asking, not demanding, I politely refused, and he walked. But he could have demanded money, the car, who knows. This has never happened before in this area.
It's time to EDC. I'm not happy about it, but it's reality.
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Last night my wife and I had dinner at a restaurant in an upscale mall area, quite a ways from poor sections of town. Afterwards walking towards the car I noticed a man following us, but he was well dressed and assumed he was another mall patron walking to his car. AS I went to get in, he walked up and asked for money. Luckily he was asking, not demanding, I politely refused, and he walked. But he could have demanded money, the car, who knows. This has never happened before in this area.
It's time to EDC. I'm not happy about it, but it's reality.
I've been there too. Your mistake may have been allowing him to get too close.
I was visiting our daughter in college in Worcester MA. It was about 2100 hours and we were unloading our bags from the trunk of the rental car in the parking lot of the hotel. I saw two guys cross the street and coming in our direction. They then left the sidewalk walking toward us. At about 40 feet I used my CCW training and yelled "BACK OFF!" while pretending to reach for my non-existent pistol in my fictitious small of the back holster. They paused, but then kept walking, and I yelled BACK THE FUCK OFF!", while taking the stance that said I'm about to pull a weapon.
They must have thought I was crazy enough to pull, so they casually walked back across the street.
I'll never know if they were serious or not, but it didn't matter at that moment. Initially my wife was embarrassed that I was making a scene, but she quickly understood what I was trying to do.
The bourbon tasted good at the hotel bar that night.
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The bourbon tasted good at the hotel bar that night.
Was that before or after the incident? ;)
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I've been there too. Your mistake may have been allowing him to get too close.
I was visiting our daughter in college in Worcester MA. It was about 2100 hours and we were unloading our bags from the trunk of the rental car in the parking lot of the hotel. I saw two guys cross the street and coming in our direction. They then left the sidewalk walking toward us. At about 40 feet I used my CCW training and yelled "BACK OFF!" while pretending to reach for my non-existent pistol in my fictitious small of the back holster. They paused, but then kept walking, and I yelled BACK THE FUCK OFF!", while taking the stance that said I'm about to pull a weapon.
They must have thought I was crazy enough to pull, so they casually walked back across the street.
I'll never know if they were serious or not, but it didn't matter at that moment. Initially my wife was embarrassed that I was making a scene, but she quickly understood what I was trying to do.
Often criminals will approach innocently for a cigarette, a light, the time, or for money (panhandling). I try to avoid parts of cities where these types lurk. Sometimes it can't be avoided.
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I have had a CCP ever since NC has allowed it. Living in a rural area, I carry every day...everywhere...even to town(s). I leave my weapon in the vechicle only for banks, gummint buildings, and hospitals. Fortunately, I have never needed it, but I have it if I do. No since having a CCP if you don't practice shooting regularly and exercise the privlege. You are not necessarily a gun lovin', Bible totin', radical right wing extremist if you do...just an American citizen exercising your 2nd Amendment right.
Noah W
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Here is the story apparently...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/06/an-unlikely-hero-describes-gun-battle-and-95-mph-chase-with-texas-shooting-suspect/?utm_term=.8090a5617566
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I try to avoid parts of cities where these types lurk. Sometimes it can't be avoided.
It used to be that good parts of cities were safe from this type of activity, but that's clearly no longer the case.
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It used to be that good parts of cities were safe from this type of activity, but that's clearly no longer the case.
The criminals know where the good pickings are to be found.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/06/investigators-hunt-for-motive-in-texas-church-shooting-as-the-grieving-spans-generations/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.1f9ab3e33d41
Lived in New Braunfels, worked at the HEB but seems to have a history of getting fired from jobs. I looked at that water park in New Braunfels last year as a possible site to meet up and visit with our grandson. Instead we took him here: http://www.garrisonbros.com/
Free bourbon tasting!! I highly recommend their tour.
Anyhoo, if you look up the name on Facebook, there's another Devin Kelley that looks like him, I can't tell if it's the same guy. They said his FB page was taken down and that guy's page has definitely been modified, but not taken down, all friends deleted or not visible, most pictures gone, etc. or the privacy setting was changed, but that might just be that poor guy has the same name and also lives in Texas and also looks really similar. Can't really tell, the only picture left has the sunglasses. But there is enough of timeline accessible to tell he is a real left winger. But for now must assume it's not the same guy. This guy had posted he is a Licensed Vocational Nurse, yesterday before the change, I printscreened it. I don't see anything like that in the shooter's history so far as I know. So I will assume it's a different Devin Kelley. That guy also had a lot of pictures with himself and other people looked like happy family situation, wish I'd PS'd more but didn't. Really can't tell if it's the same guy. Can't get good enough resolution on the one remaining FB page to compare with the media pics of the shooter. If it's not him I feel sorry for the poor guy.
If it is him, he had a lot of political rage in him, on the leftish side, although that does not necessarily rule out that the shooting was purely "domestic family trouble". He also was a gamer, and many posts were accessible which are now not, seems they blocked everything more recent than 2015. He also posted he lives in Conroe which is nowhere near New Braunfels. If that is indeed true then it's not the same guy, but the pics sure are similar.... but I don't think it's him, this guy finished nursing school and everything. He's got a horrible skull with black crap flowing out the eyeholes on the profile page, he may want to change that, bwa ha ha ha!!
EDIT: No, not the same guy. That guy's been in the Houston area all his life, the shooter's been in New Braunfels area, I found more pics of both in younger years and they aren't the same guy, unless I really suck at sleuthing. I don't care enough to start paying for more info on these two.
Oh, one thing I found was an article saying the shooter's friends had said he ranted all the time on FB about how people who believed in God were stupid, he was a serious atheist and preached his atheism a lot. If that is true, then I don't see how you can say the incident was not connected to religion. Sounds like he hated religious people.
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...he ranted all the time on FB about how people who believed in God were stupid, he was a serious atheist and preached his atheism a lot. If that is true, then I don't see how you can say the incident was not connected to religion. Sounds like he hated religious people.
That isn't atheism. If you don't believe in God, understanding that others do doesn't matter to you. At best you would feel sorry for them, maybe pity that they're "wasting" time with nothingness. If you care and it makes you angry that people follow God, then there's something else going on.
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That isn't atheism. If you don't believe in God, understanding that others do doesn't matter to you. At best you would feel sorry for them, maybe pity that they're "wasting" time with nothingness. If you care and it makes you angry that people follow God, then there's something else going on.
They think it somehow affects their rights to do anything they want, primarily involving genitalia.
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I think it might be just a juvenile rebellion against their parents, and anything they stand for, basically.
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If find the most intolerant, totalitarian, bigoted and prejudiced people are often on the far left and like the democrat founded and funded KKK, they are the most likely to choose violence to enshrine their bigotry.
ANTIFA, BLM and many other groups are little different that the KKK and they were all sprouted out of the same democratic party.
inflataspin is angry not at my words, because he had to spin them into something entirely different to justify his triggering. He's angry that I am free to speak in opposition to his politically correct, approved opinions. Just like those racist, hate groups I mentioned above, inflateaspinner hates free speech because it endangers his political agenda.
Not being able to provide serious reply is no limiter on his willingness to go all drama queen to pretend enough to justify his pathetic, impotent, anger.
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That isn't atheism. If you don't believe in God, understanding that others do doesn't matter to you. At best you would feel sorry for them, maybe pity that they're "wasting" time with nothingness. If you care and it makes you angry that people follow God, then there's something else going on.
Folks like the Texas mental case hate Christianity because THEY THINK the whole Christ as Savior thing is like a mirror reflecting their bad choices and train wreck lives. Christ wasn't killed by the Romans because of what he could see when he looked at them, but because of what THEY WERE ASHAMED of in themselves and were afraid of what they thought he saw when he looked at them.
It was all projection then, just like here and now.
If they didn't feel so guilty they wouldn't be so freaking angry about stuff they made up to begin with.