Not a funny joke actually. How many people have LEOs killed in botched raids in the last year? How many SWAT raids have they executed based on mistaken assumptions? It truly is a very serious problem.

And how many of them have actually been involved in the production of child pornography, where such a question would actually be appropriate.

Read the book “3 Felonies A Day” if you want to start getting a sense of how there are now so many laws that basically any professional is arguably committing several felonies each day. It is mostly a matter of if the prosecutors want to try and get someone.

It wasn’t meant to be a joke. You having problems with LEOs has nothing to do with the immaturity of saying Rittenhouse is a statist. Not all LEOs are bad, just like not all MDs are good.

I bristle when people that I think are sane are using the same tactics as the leftist politicians and MSM to paint Rittenhouse in a broad, vile, and inaccurate brush. You’re doing the same thing, and it’s not becoming of a learned man.

I have sympathy for your plight. I have no sympathy for making insinuations that an 18 year old kid is a statist because he may have wanted to be a police officer some day.

By the way, his lawyer said he hopes to become a nurse some day. Not sure if nurses are statists in your world or not.

Can anyone tell me why this trial, where one white guy shot three white guys in self defense, has anything - anything - to do with race? 

Anyone?  Bueller?  Jaybird?

You seem hell-bent on proving that your way is the only and correct way of seeing things. Sorry to disagree with your version of the world, but this is how injustice persists. People of good-will who do nothing, claiming they see nothing.


Actually, I did grow up "in the hood". And Crystal's mom, I'm not in her head, but was likely convinced there was something nefarious going on but it certainly didn't rise to the level of a lights and sirens multiple police car chase. Why did the police take this response?


Now that my memory came back from so many years ago (and the battery in my solar keyboard), Crystal would have been a Sophomore that year while most of us were Juniors. Crystal was such a good student that she graduated as a Junior with us the following year. All of us graduated and went on in our lives, many of them I'm keep in touch with via social media and they're doing well in life (of varying degrees).


Why did they (police) allocate such resources? Nobody was killed, nor was there drugs or alchohol (or even cigarettes) involved in our group. Looking back, I don't think anyone would have even gotten naked that day either (LoL), though I was invited by the girl who would later become my girlfriend (for about a month or a little more, an eternity at that age- LoL).


Rush- The man referred to as Colonel, wasn't my father but a retired Greek-American military officer who was one of our teachers. He was a strict disciplinarian, growing up poor himself in the Bronx, but he didn't tell the school officials about that day, probably knowing they'd flip out. I'm sure the investigation started with Crystal's mom walking across the street to the school.


If anyone had a reason to complain it was Mary's mom, who was at work while her teenage daughter used her home to host other teenagers. It was teenagers doing what teenagers do, but it didn't warrant the response we got (from the police).

What I’m hell bent on is not bowing on bent knee over perceived injustices that occurred in the past. I’m not blind to some injustices that exist today. I see injustice occurring today in a courthouse in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

But what I reject is people who make race the excuse de jur for bad behavior, lawlessness, and worse.

The talking heads in August 2020 called Kyle Rittenhouse a racist and white supremacist, with no basis whatsoever.  The utter definition of Libel and slander.

The mob bullied a Democrat DA to filing charges. Why?  Because Kyle shot criminals who were on the mob’s side.

Now 15 months later, with every video and picture available to him, the same leftist mobs are still calling him a racist and white supremacist, and are calling for him to spend the rest of his life in prison for what any sane person can see is self defense. That’s injustice.

I played hooky and got away with it way more than twice.  I went to a “good” school in a “good” neighborhood and was a white female. It was very unlikely I would have been arrested or harshly disciplined or made an example of, unless I’d been caught committing a crime, and even then I would likely have been treated leniently. There is a systemic inequity applied to individuals within the stereotype groups “young black male in a bad neighborhood” and “young white female in a good neighborhood” even if we had both been A students and did the same behaviors. The consequences if caught committing teenage foolishness are applied to the individual in the broader context of groups and that is the disparate outcome of our choice to which Jaybird refers.

I didn’t grow up black or male or in an inner city social class of “bad reputation” but if I understand what it was like to do so, on top of normal adolescent problems, you had the additional layer of worry that you had a high statistical likelihood of ending up in legal trouble affecting your whole future or even physical danger, way above what a white girl in a “good” neighborhood would worry about.

Parents were even more keenly aware of these things, hence how the “Colonel” dealt with his son (I presume that was your father, Jaybird?). My reference to the Jack and Jill club, it was one way black parents attempted to protect their children, especially before desegregation, from being caught up in “the system”.

Maybe my solution to this disparity differs from BLM’s solution but I go beyond simply expecting immature youths (of any race or gender) to have all the wisdom needed to avoid these pitfalls. We all lucked out and survived stupid youth. Black males in the hood might have a higher likelihood of not, but that didn’t mean I survived because I made all good choices. I did plenty of massively stupid things but got lucky. Using the Swiss cheese metaphor for plane crashes, one of my slices of Swiss cheese had no hole and stopped the chain of events, that was the slice that had a hole if you were a black male in a certain neighborhood.

I grew up in a middle class neighborhood in a largely Polish neighborhood in the city of Chicago.  I didn’t grow up in the hood, and I’m not sure Jaybird did either.

I don’t buy this systemic bias bullshit. I buy only situational bias.  If you are in a high crime neighborhood, you will likely and correctly get higher police scrutiny. If you are in a relatively low crime area, like my old Polish neighborhood, police had less of a presence, though they still ran patrols.

If I read JB’s situation, police didn’t get involved because they were playing hooky. Police got involved because the mother thought that they were holding a girl against her will. If that happened in my Polish neighborhood, police would be all over that too.  Why?  Because it’s situational.

I’m fatigued by so many people turning STRAIGHT to race when Occam’s Razor says it’s something simpler like the higher existence of crime. 

Don’t forget about Jeffrey “Lubin the Tooobin”.  If he was beating the meat on the back of a bus, he would be arrested. But at CNN, he’s back on TV.

In that case, be outraged over being forced to get vaccinated, not what the side effects are.

Everything has side effects.

Are you even hearing yourself? 

Bflynn:  “Take a stand about being forced, but shut up about the side effects!” 

When the side effects are only now becoming known, due more to experiences of the public than publication by Big pharma or the Govt, that may be making people outraged at being forced.

Not everyone who is outraged at being forced is outraged due to libertarian principles.  They may be outraged due to fear and uncertainties.

What you say is exactly correct, but I would prefer to say we "chased the manufacturers out of our country" rather than we "exported manufacturing".

This is exactly correct. There are ads in Wisconsin with a manufacturing employee who lost her job due to the manufacturing plant moving to Mexico.

She repeats the lie “Ron Johnson pushed through a tax law that rewards outsourcing.” 

I’m so fucking sick of political lies. I’ve been a tax CPA for 38 years. If such a law exists, I would know it. No such law exists. Fucking lying fuckers.

Hufcor was a private company that sold to a PE firm in 2017. It suffered through an EEOC fine in 2015, Covid shutdowns in 2020, and other moves that made doing business in the US difficult. They closed shop in 2021 under Biden, not Trump.