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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Dweyant on October 26, 2020, 05:30:15 PM
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Interesting article on masks.
https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/
-Dan
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Masks are not a panacea ...despite the breathless (no pun) demands of politicians.
But, social distancing, hygiene, and yes even masks, are the only tools in our toolkit short of complete isolation to stop/slow the spread.
A homemade mask will provide a small, very small measure of protection, but is better than nothing (not much better, but not zero)
but masks are not magic. And various places (e.g., CDC) will state that masks are not a substitute for social distancing... that should provide a clue regarding which measures are more effective than others.
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Mask are the symbolatry of the Branch Covidians.
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Buried in that web page under the “Final Thoughts” section is this bullet point:
“If wearing a mask makes people go out and get Vitamin D – go for it. In the 1918 flu pandemic people who went outside did better. Early reports are showing people with COVID-19 with low Vitamin D do worse than those with normal levels. Perhaps that is why shut-ins do so poorly.”
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If masks work, why do people infect at a higher rate who wear wasps, as opposed to those who behave like normal people?
The whole mask thing is nothing but another plot to subjugate Americans and take away freedom.
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wasps?
typo?
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Masks are just pieces of cloth one wears on one's face. Does Number 7 think wearing pants is tyranny? You clods still can't seem to get it through your thick skulls that the masks aren't to protect you, they're to protect those around you. Mrs. Steingar wore a mask while she was sick and very infectious with influenza, and I didn't get it. That's the idea.
No doubt you guys would rather do nothing and let lots of people die.
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Masks are just pieces of cloth one wears on one's face. Does Number 7 think wearing pants is tyranny? You clods still can't seem to get it through your thick skulls that the masks aren't to protect you, they're to protect those around you. Mrs. Steingar wore a mask while she was sick and very infectious with influenza, and I didn't get it. That's the idea.
No doubt you guys would rather do nothing and let lots of people die.
As I said.
Liberals are dumb... sheep... following whatever stupidity they are spoon fed.
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Masks are just pieces of cloth one wears on one's face. Does Number 7 think wearing pants is tyranny? You clods still can't seem to get it through your thick skulls that the masks aren't to protect you, they're to protect those around you. Mrs. Steingar wore a mask while she was sick and very infectious with influenza, and I didn't get it. That's the idea.
No doubt you guys would rather do nothing and let lots of people die.
The mortality rate for those not at risk is extremely low. If you are at risk take the necessary precautions. The risks are not worth what we've done to society, yet you can not understand risk, mitigation and the ramifications of it all because you are so indoctrinated. Take a business, and insurance course. ::)
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I see many people wearing their mask and constantly futzing with the thing on their nose totally negating the purpose and lots of folks with the mask with a valve to be sure they can spread the virus to others.
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Prediction: In 2021, we will discover that masks cause lung cancer from breathing in the cotton fibers. The rate of cancer will be higher than the infection rate of Covid.
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Prediction: In 2021, we will discover that masks cause lung cancer from breathing in the cotton fibers. The rate of cancer will be higher than the infection rate of Covid.
I’m sure the state of Kalifornia already knows that masks cause cancer.
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I’m sure the state of Kalifornia already knows that masks cause cancer.
That's hardly surprising... since california "knows" that everything is known to cause cancer.
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I’m sure the state of Kalifornia already knows that masks cause cancer.
And their crony lawyers are already preparing Class Action Law Suits. ::)
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And their crony lawyers are already preparing Class Action Law Suits. ::)
Absolutely! Let’s go after those profit seeking mask making corporations. Evil capitalists!
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The mortality rate for those not at risk is extremely low. If you are at risk take the necessary precautions. The risks are not worth what we've done to society, yet you can not understand risk, mitigation and the ramifications of it all because you are so indoctrinated. Take a business, and insurance course. ::)
Hospitals in the midwest are starting to fill up. I keep telling you it isn't mortality, the worry is overburdening our medical resources. Sadly, most Americans think like you and we're seeing a gigantic spike. I bet we see an even bigger one at Thanksgiving.
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"gigantic"
you need a dictionary
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Hospitals in the midwest are starting to fill up. I keep telling you it isn't mortality, the worry is overburdening our medical resources. Sadly, most Americans think like you and we're seeing a gigantic spike. I bet we see an even bigger one at Thanksgiving.
I just completed a three day hospital stay in a large hospital in a major Metro suburb. It was a GHOST TOWN. I had two doctors and two nurse hovering over me constantly. There was actually TOO MUCH care. Please leave me alone for a few minutes guys! lol! Yes, anecdotal, but in talking to the staff, they said this was normal since Covid and the several other hospitals in their health care system say the same thing. Total fear mongering Steingar. And for purely POLITICAL reasons. You should be ashamed.
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I just completed a three day hospital stay in a large hospital in a major Metro suburb. It was a GHOST TOWN. I had two doctors and two nurse hovering over me constantly. There was actually TOO MUCH care. Please leave me alone for a few minutes guys! lol! Yes, anecdotal, but in talking to the staff, they said this was normal since Covid and the several other hospitals in their health care system say the same thing. Total fear mongering Steingar. And for purely POLITICAL reasons. You should be ashamed.
First, I hope you're feeling better. Thankfully I haven't been in a hospital other that to take Mrs. Steingar in many years. I hate hospitals.
Second, the surge isn't everywhere right now, but it's really acute in the rural midwest. That said, Philadelphia will have its day, don't worry. The virus doesn't care about our politics or anything else. It'll infect anyone it ca.
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Hospitals in the midwest are starting to fill up. I keep telling you it isn't mortality, the worry is overburdening our medical resources. Sadly, most Americans think like you and we're seeing a gigantic spike. I bet we see an even bigger one at Thanksgiving.
Many of those hospitals had furloughed and laid off staff when elective procedures were banned, and some facilities that specialized in elective surgery flat out closed down, like the one my daughter worked at. Now that the spike is reaching interior parts of the U.S. are they caught short handed because of the downsizing earlier this year?
I read the reports that led you to make this post but they say nothing about whether original capacity is being overwhelmed or whether it’s in the context of reduced capacity. I’d like the whole story.
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First, I hope you're feeling better.
^^^what he said
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First, I hope you're feeling better. Thankfully I haven't been in a hospital other that to take Mrs. Steingar in many years. I hate hospitals.
Second, the surge isn't everywhere right now, but it's really acute in the rural midwest. That said, Philadelphia will have its day, don't worry. The virus doesn't care about our politics or anything else. It'll infect anyone it ca.
Thank you. I am feeling better. Infections and infection rates are meaningless because the virus is really only dangerous for the old and already sick and feeble. That's what you are missing. I spoke to several Docs about it in various disciplines and specialties and they all said that. Yes, small sample, but I think it translates to the broader picture.
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Heard on the news (sorry no source) yesterday that the mortality rate if admitted to the hospital with Covid was 25% in March, it is now down to less than 7%.
Wonder why we aren't hearing more about that.
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^^^what he said
Thanks. I am. First hospital stay since I had my tonsils out when I was seven years old. lol!
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Many of those hospitals had furloughed and laid off staff when elective procedures were banned, and some facilities that specialized in elective surgery flat out closed down, like the one my daughter worked at. Now that the spike is reaching interior parts of the U.S. are they caught short handed because of the downsizing earlier this year?
I read the reports that led you to make this post but they say nothing about whether original capacity is being overwhelmed or whether it’s in the context of reduced capacity. I’d like the whole story.
The MSM is pounding the covid drum like crazy now, as it's their only last hope of suppressing voter turn out between now and next Tuesday. Take any numbers we are hearing with a huge grain of salt.
After Memorial Day MSM was pushing stories similar to this, and none of it was true. Because covid has a 99.9% survival rate, the Branch Covidians and the MSM have once again changed the narrative to "over running health facilities" in an effort to stoke fear.
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Heard on the news (sorry no source) yesterday that the mortality rate if admitted to the hospital with Covid was 25% in March, it is now down to less than 7%.
Wonder why we aren't hearing more about that.
The Branch Covidians must protect the narrative.
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The MSM is pounding the covid drum like crazy now, as it's their only last hope of suppressing voter turn out between now and next Tuesday. Take any numbers we are hearing with a huge grain of salt.
After Memorial Day MSM was pushing stories similar to this, and none of it was true. Because covid has a 99.9% survival rate, the Branch Covidians and the MSM have once again changed the narrative to "over running health facilities" in an effort to stoke fear.
Trump has been saying this during his recent rallies. "It is all the media is talking about". Turn on any one of them Covid panic 24/7 with meaningless infection number stats and emotional drivel.
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Heard on the news (sorry no source) yesterday that the mortality rate if admitted to the hospital with Covid was 25% in March, it is now down to less than 7%.
Wonder why we aren't hearing more about that.
During recent briefings by Gov Baker he has mentioned that the hospitalization number being reported on mass.gov is for any patient with covid-19, not just people hospitalize because of covid-19 (far less than 2/3 of the total number) .
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Trump has been saying this during his recent rallies. "It is all the media is talking about". Turn on any one of them Covid panic 24/7 with meaningless infection number stats and emotional drivel.
Maskachusetts has a metric where towns/cities with daily new cases of 8 or more per 100,000 is now considered "high risk"
It's left as an exercise for the student to determine why 8 and not 3 or 30...
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Thanks. I am. First hospital stay since I had my tonsils out when I was seven years old. lol!
Tell me you didn't have COVID 19!
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Trump has been saying this during his recent rallies. "It is all the media is talking about". Turn on any one of them Covid panic 24/7 with meaningless infection number stats and emotional drivel.
220,000 Americans have died. Seems like a pretty fucking big story to me. I'd say a gigantic story, but Bob Noel seems to have problems with that.
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Trump has been saying this during his recent rallies. "It is all the media is talking about". Turn on any one of them Covid panic 24/7 with meaningless infection number stats and emotional drivel.
That's all they have left. Biden/Harris has a train wreck campaign that is failing. People want to get on with their lives and resume normal operations. Biden keeps hammering how he will re-institute lockdowns and mandate mask wearing which is driving people away. The democrat controlled hate groups of ANTIFA and BLM rioting and destroying cities has backfired. And throw in the Biden Corruption scandals.
The MSM keeps pushing the narrative "220,000 deaths from Covid" even though the CDC has acknowledged actual deaths from Covid only is less than 10,000. Better than 99.9% of those who get Covid will recover, FACT. Hospitalizations are way down to those who are actually admitted for Covid, FACT.
And thousands upon thousands have had Covid with either no symptoms or very mild symptoms, but the MSM and Branch Covidians refuse to acknowledge this as well.
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220,000 Americans have died. Seems like a pretty fucking big story to me. I'd say a gigantic story, but Bob Noel seems to have problems with that.
Go read the CDC site, less than 10,000 were from Covid only.
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220,000 Americans have died. Seems like a pretty fucking big story to me. I'd say a gigantic story, but Bob Noel seems to have problems with that.
Bob Noel wrote:
You claim that you are really really smart and yet you have trouble understanding simple sentences or understanding what you wrote.
You claimed that "we're seeing a gigantic spike."
Everytime you exaggerate or are dishonest you diminish your credibility.
Edit. I keep hitting wrong tabs to quote people. Argh!
Because his science with this issue and Climate Change is HIGHLY POLITICIZED. Yet he denies it vehemently. Gigantic spike = Leftist Propaganda.
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Anthony, sorry to hear about your hospitalization, glad you are doing better.
The big "spike" here in Georgia means our 7 day moving average of cases is at 35% of our peak back in the spring. Considering how open out state is, this is extremely good.
Michael, this is a very deadly virus, we can't change that and there appears to be no indication that masking folks up does a lot to stop it. We need to protect those that are vulnerable and get on with life.
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Anthony, sorry to hear about your hospitalization, glad you are doing better.
Thanks Eppy. Yes, I feel much, much better.
The big "spike" here in Georgia means our 7 day moving average of cases is at 35% of our peak back in the spring. Considering how open out state is, this is extremely good.
Michael, this is a very deadly virus, we can't change that and there appears to be no indication that masking folks up does a lot to stop it. We need to protect those that are vulnerable and get on with life.
That's the bottom line, but DEMOCRATS and the Media (same thing) have politicized it in an attempt to hurt Trump.. They are like a Dog with a Bone. They won't stop talking about cases, which are insignificant. They keep preaching doom and gloom and panic. They are irresponsible, and criminal in what they have done to hurt people and their livelihoods.
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Notice how folks of Prof POS ilk don't celebrate declines in infections or declines in daily deaths?
Nope, they start talking about how the vaccines won't work or are dangerous ... Apparently those won't be happy unless everyone is quarentined in their homes (for those that still have one)...
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Go read the CDC site, less than 10,000 were from Covid only.
Those were the deaths reported to the CDC that mistakenly listed covid-19 as a cause of death and no contributing causes. They were mistaken reports because a virus doesn’t kill a person per se, but rather leads to death from respiratory failure, blood clots, renal failure, stroke, liver failure, or sepsis, among others.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mortality-down-82-rand-paul-slams-leftwing-media-for-coverage-of-spain-coronavirus-case-surge
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Hospitals in the midwest are starting to fill up. I keep telling you it isn't mortality, the worry is overburdening our medical resources. Sadly, most Americans think like you and we're seeing a gigantic spike. I bet we see an even bigger one at Thanksgiving.
Montana is at 100% ICU space, South Dakota at 94% and Oklahoma at 91% (is that Midwest?). Nobody else is above 60%.
We should all just stay home for 3 weeks to flatten the curve and then this will all be over.
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Hospitals typically operate at 90% capacity in ICU's during normal times.
Hospitals are businesses, they don't build units that aren't occupied "just in case". That would be like a hotel having hundreds of additional rooms "just in case" and event may happen near by.
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https://fee.org/articles/why-responding-to-the-poverty-spike-with-more-welfare-is-cruel-not-generous/
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Hospitals typically operate at 90% capacity in ICU's during normal times.
Hospitals are businesses, they don't build units that aren't occupied "just in case". That would be like a hotel having hundreds of additional rooms "just in case" and event may happen near by.
And right now hospitals and health systems are losing money and laying people off because they don't have enough patients. I saw it personally the last few days. All due to Covid as people are afraid to do their non critical procedures and other things. Yet the Media and Democrats keep lying and bleating that "the hospitals are being over run by Covid cases". Total lies and Mikey repeats them.
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And right now hospitals and health systems are losing money and laying people off because they don't have enough patients. I saw it personally the last few days. All due to Covid as people are afraid to do their non critical procedures and other things. Yet the Media and Democrats keep lying and bleating that "the hospitals are being over run by Covid cases". Total lies and Mikey repeats them.
It’s happening here too. Like that article I linked in the other thread about how big cities these days serve no purpose except to collect politicians, poor people to vote for them, and radical academics, and are sucking the life out of the rest of us, we rural places complied with the no non-essential procedure nonsense and it’s killing us. Both my husband and I had to visit the satellite ER here recently and both times we were the ONLY patient there. Got fantastic attention, but the place can’t stay in business at that rate.
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Montana is at 100% ICU space, South Dakota at 94% and Oklahoma at 91% (is that Midwest?). Nobody else is above 60%.
We should all just stay home for 3 weeks to flatten the curve and then this will all be over.
Your source? According my source, South Dakota ICUs are at 62% capacity (26% Covid-19, 36% non-Covid-19.)
My source:https://doh.sd.gov/news/Coronavirus.aspx (https://doh.sd.gov/news/Coronavirus.aspx)
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Cases, cases, cases, cases. The new Democrat/Media boogeyman. Let's react to cases of college kids. Young, and healthy. They will all be fine, yet let's stop the world and double down on the restrictions.
Pennsylvania State University recorded another uptick in coronavirus cases on Tuesday.
There are 279 active cases on the University Park campus, up from 238 on Friday. Cases had been falling this month and had numbered fewer than 200 last week before beginning to climb again. Earlier this month, Penn State had more than 500 active cases.
We are watching this carefully," Penn State President Eric J. Barron said in a statement. “…Now is the time to double down on our efforts in masking, social distancing and avoiding large gatherings.”
State College borough announced on Monday it was reviewing video from large off-campus gatherings on Saturday during the Penn State football game and planned to issue citations to those who attended. The university is preparing for its first home football game against Ohio State on Halloween night.
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/live/covid-coronavirus-cases-pa-philadelphia-nj-de-updates-testing-news-hospital-20201027.html
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If people have been paying attention... look at world-o-meter. Worldwide the percentage of deaths for closed cases has been edging down of the past several months. Months ago I saw it at 8%... then 7%.... then 6%... then 5%... then 4%... and now I noticed it's 3%
And notice the active cases with mild symptoms: 99% and serious/critical: 1%.
makes you wonder, doesn't it?
at least it should.
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Buried in that web page under the “Final Thoughts” section is this bullet point:
“If wearing a mask makes people go out and get Vitamin D – go for it. In the 1918 flu pandemic people who went outside did better. Early reports are showing people with COVID-19 with low Vitamin D do worse than those with normal levels. Perhaps that is why shut-ins do so poorly.”
It’s 38 degrees outside. Vitamin D will need to come in pill form for us in Wisconsin for the next 7-8 months.
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It’s 38 degrees outside. Vitamin D will need to come in pill form for us in Wisconsin for the next 7-8 months.
Doesn't beer/ale have vit D?
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Hospitals in the midwest are starting to fill up. I keep telling you it isn't mortality, the worry is overburdening our medical resources. Sadly, most Americans think like you and we're seeing a gigantic spike. I bet we see an even bigger one at Thanksgiving.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/number-of-covid-19-hospitalizations-state-by-state-july-15.html
The Atlantic's COVID tracking project compiles data directly from the websites of local or state public health authorities. When data is missing from the websites, it supplements available numbers with information from official news conferences. Data was last updated Oct. 25 or 26, depending on the state.
Hospital bed capacity counts are based on 2018 data from the American Hospital Association.
States are listed alphabetically. Not all states report both cumulative and current totals.
COVID-19 patients now hospitalized
Alabama: 967
State's hospital bed capacity: 15,278
Alaska: 50
State's hospital bed capacity: 1,636
Arizona: 837
State's hospital bed capacity: 13,846
Arkansas: 634
State's hospital bed capacity: 9,517
California: 2,991
State's hospital bed capacity: 72,511
Colorado: 586
State's hospital bed capacity: 10,574
Connecticut: 270
State's hospital bed capacity: 7,194
Delaware: 108
State's hospital bed capacity: 2,101
District of Columbia: 98
Hospital bed capacity: 3,114
Florida: 2,258
State's hospital bed capacity: 54,744
Georgia: 1,740
State's hospital bed capacity: 25,114
Hawaii: 64
State's hospital bed capacity: 2,749
Idaho: 272
State's hospital bed capacity: 3,396
Illinois: 2,638
State's hospital bed capacity: 32,066
Indiana: 1,634
State's hospital bed capacity: 18,156
Iowa: 561
State's hospital bed capacity: 9,423
Kansas: 362
State's hospital bed capacity: 9,659
Kentucky: 858
State's hospital bed capacity: 14,329
Louisiana: 609
State's hospital bed capacity: 15,272
Maine: 13
State's hospital bed capacity: 3,400
Maryland: 456
State's hospital bed capacity: 11,577
Massachusetts: 550
State's hospital bed capacity: 15,649
Michigan: 1,332
State's hospital bed capacity: 24,949
Minnesota: 614
State's hospital bed capacity: 13,895
Mississippi: 679
State's hospital bed capacity: 12,071
Missouri: 1,399
State's hospital bed capacity: 18,749
Montana: 360
State's hospital bed capacity: 3,542
Nebraska: 435
State's hospital bed capacity: 6,842
Nevada: 531
State's hospital bed capacity: 6,493
New Hampshire: 25
State's hospital bed capacity: 2,783
New Jersey: 948
State's hospital bed capacity: 20,901
New Mexico: 287
State's hospital bed capacity: 3,811
New York: 1,059
State's hospital bed capacity: 51,927
North Carolina: 1,193
State's hospital bed capacity: 21,549
North Dakota: 256
State's hospital bed capacity: 3,235
Ohio: 1,406
State's hospital bed capacity: 33,157
Oklahoma: 924
State's hospital bed capacity: 11,144
Oregon: 214
State's hospital bed capacity: 6,889
Pennsylvania: 1,138
State's hospital bed capacity: 36,730
Rhode Island: 163
State's hospital bed capacity: 2,187
South Carolina: 737
State's hospital bed capacity: 12,120
South Dakota: 377
State's hospital bed capacity: 4,183
Tennessee: 1,228
State's hospital bed capacity: 19,387
Texas: 5,278
State's hospital bed capacity: 65,671
Utah: 311
State's hospital bed capacity: 5,767
Vermont: 11
State's hospital bed capacity: 1,305
Virginia: 1,048
State's hospital bed capacity: 18,065
Washington: 308
State's hospital bed capacity: 12,774
West Virginia: 215
State's hospital bed capacity: 6,868
Wisconsin: 1,350
State's hospital bed capacity: 12,103
Wyoming: 102
State's hospital bed capacity: 2,015
Cumulative COVID-19 hospitalizations
Alabama: 19,974
Arizona: 21,097
Arkansas: 6,768
Colorado: 8,622
Connecticut: 12,257
Florida: 48,842
Georgia: 31,087
Hawaii: 1,065
Idaho: 2,431
Indiana: 15,905
Kansas: 3,646
Kentucky: 6,895
Maine: 477
Maryland: 16,819
Massachusetts: 13,160
Minnesota: 9,588
Mississippi: 6,576
Montana: 1,237
Nebraska: 2,846
New Hampshire: 768
New Jersey: 37,310
New Mexico: 4,277
New York: 89,995
North Dakota: 1,437
Ohio: 18,235
Oklahoma: 8,408
Oregon: 3,091
Rhode Island: 3,208
South Carolina: 10,236
South Dakota: 2,453
Tennessee: 9,985
Utah: 5,102
Virginia: 20,631
Washington: 8,280
Wisconsin: 10,416
Wyoming: 401
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btw - the maskachusetts number of 550 includes people who have covid-19 but are in the hospital for other reasons not covid-19
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btw - the maskachusetts number of 550 includes people who have covid-19 but are in the hospital for other reasons not covid-19
Exactly. Most of those states report the same way, so the actual hospitalizations due to covid only is much lower, which blows a hole in the perfesser's fear mongering.
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I track at Covidactnow.org. I like the format and the ease of viewing.
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SPEAKING OF WEARING MASKS
ME AT RESTAURANT:
Hostess: ok, I can seat you at this table right here (4 feet away), but I will need you to wear a mask to the table.
Me : what happens when I get to the table?
Hostess: you can take off the mask.
Me : then it is safe over there?
Hostess: yes.
Me : are those fans blowing above the table? Is that the air-conditioning I feel? Is the air circulating in here?
Hostess: no words. Confused look.
ME AT GROCERY STORE:
Why is there plastic on the payment keypad?
Cashier: to protect people from Covid.
Me : but isn’t everyone touching the plastic keypad the same way they would the regular keypad?
Cashier: no words. Confused look.
ME AT DRIVE-THRU
Server: (holds a tray out the window with a bag of food for logical friend to grab)
ME : why is my bag of food on a tray?
Server: so I don’t touch your food because of Covid.
Me : didn’t the cook touch my food? Didn’t the person wrapping my food touch it and then touch it again when placing it in my bag? Didn’t you touch the bag and put it on the tray? Didn’t you touch the tray?
Server: no words. Confused look.
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I wish all our leaders would have just had a very simple instruction at the start: "Don't be stupid." We'd be over this by now. A tall order in normal times. But now, c-mon man!
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So my brother (66) and my sister in law (60) both had Covid recently.
Lasted about 3 days, brother told me first day had a few aches, stuffy nose, loss of taste and smell. Second day, stuffy nose, started feeling better, and third day regained taste, smell and stuffy nose ended.
And neither one had a fever, at any time. He told me that if he had a choice between Covid and a cold, Covid was better.
Oh, and their grand daughter (15) tested positive, no symptoms.
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One of my students was telling me about his uncle, who's about my age. A cousin brought the virus home from the University of Wisconsin. His Uncle is now in the ICU and has been for a couple weeks. He might not make it. Another old friend of mine got it early on and still isn't right, hemal well never be. His lungs may be damaged, and that kind damage never heals.
You guys can play Russian roulette with your health. I'll sit this one out if I can. And in the meantime, the infection rate is still below 1% on my campus due to strict distancing and mask policies that are enforced.
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One of my students was telling me about his uncle, who's about my age. A cousin brought the virus home from the University of Wisconsin. His Uncle is now in the ICU and has been for a couple weeks. He might not make it. Another old friend of mine got it early on and still isn't right, hemal well never be. His lungs may be damaged, and that kind damage never heals.
You guys can play Russian roulette with your health. I'll sit this one out if I can. And in the meantime, the infection rate is still below 1% on my campus due to strict distancing and mask policies that are enforced.
Or maybe the masks and social distancing aren’t working and they’re all getting it and having no symptom. Is everyone being tested? How do you know less than 1% have gotten it?
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Or maybe the masks and social distancing aren’t working and they’re all getting it and having no symptom. Is everyone being tested? How do you know less than 1% have gotten it?
social distancing might be working. Maskachusetts has a pretty low rate of infection (after getting completely scrogged in the spring - thank you China and Biogen).
In Maskachusetts, the percent positive is well below 2%... and remember this is a biased sample (focusing testing on suspected cases and "close contacts"). If half of the population in Maskachusetts had covif-19, then the daily test numbers would show that, yes? (assuming the tests are reasonably accurate).
But, since we aren't going the complete isolation route, there will be spread. Anyone who claims that social distancing, masks, hygiene is enough to stop the spread is an idiot.
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According to the CDC, in the 2018-2019 flu season, there were almost 500,000 hospitalizations because of the flu. Over 34,000 people died because of the flu. Every single person who died because of the flu was a tragedy. Every single person who died because of the flu probably had family. Every one of those family members can tell you the horror of watching a loved one die.
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Friend of a friend... about my age. Granddaughter came from college to visit. They started feeling bad and got a test. Yep, all three had it. Stayed home, felt really bad for a couple of days, then felt fine. Husband went up nort' solo to cut wood for the winter. Came home all out of breath. ICU for a couple of days and then expired. Although he felt fine his lungs were all messed up.
Yeah, I'm pissed that the official story and recommendations keep changing. The mask is a hassle and I miss hanging out with the guys in their hangar. And the fly-ins and general being with people. But my wife is very high risk. The world can do what it wants, but I will take as many precautions as necessary to avoid bringing the virus home to her. Me, I don't care. But I DO NOT want her to get sick because of something I could have done differently. So I'll mask up, wipe down, scrub off, and be as safe as possible until something changes. It's not fun, but I'd do anything for her. As she would for me. If she asks me to take some extra precautions, that's good enough for me.
She did ask me to buy some more ammo. Yes, dear.
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Friend of a friend... about my age. Granddaughter came from college to visit. They started feeling bad and got a test. Yep, all three had it. Stayed home, felt really bad for a couple of days, then felt fine. Husband went up nort' solo to cut wood for the winter. Came home all out of breath. ICU for a couple of days and then expired. Although he felt fine his lungs were all messed up.
Yeah, I'm pissed that the official story and recommendations keep changing. The mask is a hassle and I miss hanging out with the guys in their hangar. And the fly-ins and general being with people. But my wife is very high risk. The world can do what it wants, but I will take as many precautions as necessary to avoid bringing the virus home to her. Me, I don't care. But I DO NOT want her to get sick because of something I could have done differently. So I'll mask up, wipe down, scrub off, and be as safe as possible until something changes. It's not fun, but I'd do anything for her. As she would for me. If she asks me to take some extra precautions, that's good enough for me.
She did ask me to buy some more ammo. Yes, dear.
And I do not believe anyone would hold that against you. You're using your common sense to do what is necessary.
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You guys can play Russian roulette with your health. I'll sit this one out if I can.
Then let others get on with their lives. If you want to hide under your bed, that's your prerogative. But demanding others do the same is uneducated drivel.
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Then let others get on with their lives. If you want to hide under your bed, that's your prerogative. But demanding others do the same is uneducated drivel.
Exactly. I'd no more tell someone else what to do than I'd let them tell me what to do. As the song goes, "I don't care what you say anymore this is my life. Go ahead with your own life leave me alone"
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One of my students was telling me about his uncle, who's about my age. A cousin brought the virus home from the University of Wisconsin. His Uncle is now in the ICU and has been for a couple weeks. He might not make it. Another old friend of mine got it early on and still isn't right, hemal well never be. His lungs may be damaged, and that kind damage never heals.
You guys can play Russian roulette with your health. I'll sit this one out if I can. And in the meantime, the infection rate is still below 1% on my campus due to strict distancing and mask policies that are enforced.
That’s a good plan. Stay inside. Don’t leave your house. The rest of us will continue living our lives.
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She did ask me to buy some more ammo. Yes, dear.
You have ammo in stores near you?
Around here, 9mm is basically unobtainium... or has been at times.
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You have ammo in stores near you?
Around here, 9mm is basically unobtainium... or has been at times.
223/556 is getting easier to find. I can usually find 9mm, but it's more the 20 round self defense ammo than boxes of 50 round range ammo.
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I shop "Cheaper than Dirt". Just getting some 7.62 NATO and .45 ACP. Stuff I'll use at the range.
Yes. Shooting looters is bad. Fun thought experiment, but in real life it's frowned upon.
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Or maybe the masks and social distancing aren’t working and they’re all getting it and having no symptom. Is everyone being tested? How do you know less than 1% have gotten it?
If anyone wants to come onto campus they have to report their temperature and presence of any symptoms. Wastewater from the dorms is tested, as our lots of folks at random (gotta sign up for mine). I know you won't believe anything that doesn't match your preconceived notions, but I am impressed with the monitoring they've done and their success in keeping it off our campus.
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If anyone wants to come onto campus they have to report their temperature and presence of any symptoms. Wastewater from the dorms is tested, as our lots of folks at random (gotta sign up for mine). I know you won't believe anything that doesn't match your preconceived notions, but I am impressed with the monitoring they've done and their success in keeping it off our campus.
It makes one wonder why they are releasing potentially infected prisoners back into society instead of quarantining them in prison.
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I know you won't believe anything that doesn't match your preconceived notions...
Ah... irony.
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Ah... irony.
Thank you, i couldn’t think of a response to that.
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If anyone wants to come onto campus they have to report their temperature and presence of any symptoms. Wastewater from the dorms is tested, as our lots of folks at random (gotta sign up for mine). I know you won't believe anything that doesn't match your preconceived notions, but I am impressed with the monitoring they've done and their success in keeping it off our campus.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha......
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If anyone wants to come onto campus they have to report their temperature and presence of any symptoms.
Someone can be positive with Covid yet be asymptomatic.
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It makes one wonder why they are releasing potentially infected prisoners back into society instead of quarantining them in prison.
Keep up!
People will be jailed for not complying with mandates because Covid.
People will be released from jail because Covid.
Simple, really. You just have to think (sic) like a lib.
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Wastewater from the dorms is tested,
This is actually pretty cool. Covid shows up in sewer water even from asymptomatic people. Clean water, clean dorm. But if the sewer water turns up covid then tests can isolate it to a floor or restroom. Very easy way to test a lot of people constantly. Not perfect in identifying, and no way to tell if someone had a nighttime outside visitor that had to use the potty. But a neat screening tool. Too bad there's no way to extend it to a more general population.
Hm... given that, I wonder why we're not getting pee tests. Much easier than a swab up the nose.
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Keep up!
People will be jailed for not complying with mandates because Covid.
People will be released from jail because Covid.
Simple, really. You just have to think (sic) like a lib.
Thanks Becky. I needed that. My brain doesn’t turn left but I guess I just need to practice.
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So my brother (66) and my sister in law (60) both had Covid recently.
Lasted about 3 days, brother told me first day had a few aches, stuffy nose, loss of taste and smell. Second day, stuffy nose, started feeling better, and third day regained taste, smell and stuffy nose ended.
And neither one had a fever, at any time. He told me that if he had a choice between Covid and a cold, Covid was better.
Oh, and their grand daughter (15) tested positive, no symptoms.
Let me also add that all three were mask users that abide by all protocols. And not the flimsy fake mask either.
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Note that even a N95 mask won't stop 100% of particles. If you want 100%, you need a N100 and other PPE.
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Note that even a N95 mask won't stop 100% of particles. If you want 100%, you need a N100 and other PPE.
But the Branch Covidians say any piece of cloth will work, and they have been blessed with divine guidance from Pope Tony.
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Note that even a N95 mask won't stop 100% of particles. If you want 100%, you need a N100 and other PPE.
We could stop the transmission completely if only we mandated people wear masks that block 100% of all molecules.
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We could stop the transmission completely if only we mandated people wear masks that block 100% of all molecules.
The Branch Covidians are not concerned about stopping anything. Their dogma is control, do as you are told and don't question the hierarchy of the church. Obedience must be demonstrated and adhered to without question.
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Someone can be positive with Covid yet be asymptomatic.
Which is why mask use is mandatory and enforced on Campus. Argue all you like, but an infection rate below 1% is pretty impressive. And to date there hasn't been a student infected in class. Contact tracing shows they're infected off campus.
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Which is why mask use is mandatory and enforced on Campus. Argue all you like, but an infection rate below 1% is pretty impressive. And to date there hasn't been a student infected in class. Contact tracing shows they're infected off campus.
Again, they are pulling that number out of thin air. Figures lie and liars figure.
Without daily testing of everyone that number is meaningless, but it provides a panacea to appeal to the weak minded.
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But the Branch Covidians say any piece of cloth will work, and they have been blessed with divine guidance from Pope Tony.
I’m pretty sure no one ever made that statement.
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I’m pretty sure no one ever made that statement.
How about going and doing some reading? How about reading Pope Tony's proclamation that mask are "symbolic"? Try reading the CDC guidance as well.
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How about going and doing some reading? How about reading Pope Tony's proclamation that mask are "symbolic"? Try reading the CDC guidance as well.
https://youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI
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https://youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI
That video was produced almost 8 months ago. Theories have changed since then.
But it still backs up my point. People (and I am talking about mask believers, like Steingar) never said "any piece of cloth works". Period. They will all say that even a piece of cloth will work better than nothing. Maybe not much better. If someone is throwing rocks at you and the only protection is a 6 inch wide tree trunk, even that skinny tree trunk will protect your more than standing in the open, but it won't help as much as a 3 ft wide tree trunk.
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Interesting website, National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, Medicine:
https://sites.nationalacademies.org/BasedOnScience/do-homemade-cloth-masks-protect-against-the-novel-coronavirus/index.htm
Two large blocks of text. One titled "Health officials advise wearing a cloth mask when you're near other people." The other titled "There is not much research on whether cloth masks are effective at preventing the spread of disease."
Cool. Which is it? SCIENCE!
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Interesting website, National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, Medicine:
https://sites.nationalacademies.org/BasedOnScience/do-homemade-cloth-masks-protect-against-the-novel-coronavirus/index.htm
Two large blocks of text. One titled "Health officials advise wearing a cloth mask when you're near other people." The other titled "There is not much research on whether cloth masks are effective at preventing the spread of disease."
Cool. Which is it? SCIENCE!
It's both.
There is not much research on it.
Health officials advise it anyway.
Only if Trump advised it would the proper phrase be "Trump, without evidence, advises it.
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That video was produced almost 8 months ago. Theories have changed since then.
But it still backs up my point. People (and I am talking about mask believers, like Steingar) never said "any piece of cloth works". Period. They will all say that even a piece of cloth will work better than nothing. Maybe not much better. If someone is throwing rocks at you and the only protection is a 6 inch wide tree trunk, even that skinny tree trunk will protect your more than standing in the open, but it won't help as much as a 3 ft wide tree trunk.
When it comes to viruses, I don’t think virus theories have changed much in 7 months for a virologist. It’s not a mystery that viruses can be spread this way.
I think what’s changed is the politics, and the hideous governmental control opportunity of having society wear face burkas.
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When it comes to viruses, I don’t think virus theories have changed much in 7 months for a virologist. It’s not a mystery that viruses can be spread this way.
I think what’s changed is the politics, and the hideous governmental control opportunity of having society wear face burkas.
Another thing that has changed is that in early March, the virus was not prevalent over here. And, we knew we had a shortage of ppe due to the national stock pile being depleted and not replenished during the previous administration.
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https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/29/these-12-graphs-show-mask-mandates-do-nothing-to-stop-covid/
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Hospitals in the midwest are starting to fill up. I keep telling you it isn't mortality, the worry is overburdening our medical resources. Sadly, most Americans think like you and we're seeing a gigantic spike. I bet we see an even bigger one at Thanksgiving.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/nearly-two-months-after-covid-spike-began-few-midwestern-hospitals
Nearly two months after COVID spike began, few Midwestern hospitals facing feared surge of patients
Nearly two months after COVID-19 cases began surging in the Midwest, most hospitals there appear to be handling the spike without major issues.
Some hospitals in the region are nearing capacity, but none appear to be receiving a crushing wave of COVID patients after around seven weeks of sharply increasing positive tests.
Hospitalization rates have for several months been one of the key metrics by which public health experts and commentators assess the state of the pandemic in the U.S. Global fears of overburdened medical systems began in March as the world witnessed parts of Italy's healthcare system strain and nearly break under a massive influx of COVID-19 patients.
In the U.S. and in other countries earlier in the year, health care administrators worked aggressively to add surge capacity in hospitals and medical facilities, hoping to avoid the chaos witnessed in certain Italian regions and in other parts of Europe.
Many leaders, meanwhile — including a majority of U.S. governors — announced an open-ended moratorium on what were deemed "non-essential" medical procedures, including cancer screenings and other early interventions, in an effort to ensure hospital space would be free for the expected influx of COVID patients.
In Midwest, nearly eight weeks of spiking cases haven't overwhelmed hospitals
Concerns about a crush of COVID patients were raised anew in early September, when many Midwestern states began seeing significant rises in the numbers of confirmed coronavirus infections.
Yet state-level data indicate that, with the exception of some facilities, most hospitals in that region remain below capacity, even as average COVID cases have soared far above the numbers seen over the summer.
In Iowa, for instance, the state has around 3,100 hospital beds available, with a little over 60% of statewide capacity currently being utilized. Yet the state's coronavirus dashboard says just 12% of total statewide inpatients — 564 as of Wednesday afternoon — were infected with COVID-19, meaning COVID inpatients could theoretically triple there without overwhelming state capacity.
A similar ratio is reported in Nebraska, where about 12% of its hospital inpatients — 436 of 3175 — are COVID-positive. Nebraska is currently filling about 69% of its hospital beds, with a slightly lower occupancy rate in intensive care units.
Both states are either just below or just above the average U.S hospital occupancy rate in 2015, about 65% according to CDC statistics.
Some hospitals see elevated capacity, but COVID doesn't seem to be driving surge
Multiple state-level hospital associations did not respond to requests for comment on their respective COVID outbreaks.
In certain areas of the country, some healthcare systems appear to be under strain, but state data indicate that increasing COVID patients are only partially responsible for it.
In North Dakota, about 86% of hospital beds statewide are occupied. Yet, much like in Nebraska and Iowa, just 11% of inpatients in North Dakota are hospitalized for COVID. In Michigan, meanwhile, the ratio is even lower: Of the 17,302 inpatient hospital beds in use in the state as of Wednesday afternoon, 8.5% of them — 1,479— were "suspected [or] confirmed" to have COVID-19.
John Karasinski, a spokesman for the Michigan Health & Hospital Association, said capacity is not presently an issue in the state.
"Currently, having physical beds available is not a concern, but having enough staff throughout the state to care for and treat those patients is a worry," he said.
"There is national demand for direct patient care staff, including nurses and other clinicians," he added. "Many existing front-line workers are also still recovering from physical and mental stress, as well as trauma, resulting from the first wave. Lastly, community spread is occurring, and healthcare workers are not exempt."
Karasinski highlighted a March statement from Michigan Health & Hospital Association President Brian Peterson, who noted that hospitals throughout the state "have emergency response plans that include surge capacity procedures to address an influx of patients."
Earlier hospital fears failed to materialize
Wisconsin is also seeing higher-than-average hospital occupancy rates. The number of hospitalized COVID patients in the state has more than tripled since the beginning of September. Yet, per the state's dashboard, over the last month total statewide hospital occupancy has increased by only about 1.5%.
All told, about 10% of Wisconsin's hospital beds are taken up by COVID patients.
The striking similarities in COVID-to-hospital-bed ratios throughout the Midwest suggests that the pandemic's progress may be largely synced in states within the region. The U.S. has experienced several waves of the disease in successive regions, starting with the Northeast in the spring and moving next to the Sun Belt states in the summer.
In most cases, fears of overwhelmed hospitals failed to materialize. Early on in the pandemic, at the New York City epicenter, certain hospitals saw intensive waves of COVID-19 patients for brief periods of time.
Yet major emergency facilities constructed in New York, as well as a 1,000-bed Navy hospital ship deployed to the city — both intended to handle non-COVID patients and overflow coronavirus cases alike — largely went unused.
That pattern was replicated elsewhere in the country: in Chicago, a $120 million field hospital went largely unused, while both built and planned facilities in other parts of the country were also scrapped for lack of patients.
Fears of collapsed medical systems during the Sun Belt spike over the summer eventually subsided as cases and hospitalizations began dropping rapidly in August. At the peak of Arizona's hospitalization rate, the state had around 12% of its inpatient hospital capacity available. Texas peaked around the same time with about 11,000 COVID hospitalizations in a state with around 65,000 hospital beds.
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https://noqreport.com/2020/10/29/cdc-shows-again-how-pretty-much-anyone-who-died-with-covid-19-died-from-covid-19/
Of the 220K+ deaths reported as CV-19, the actual cause was:
88,208-pneumonia/influenza
17,799-chronic respiratory disease
26,365-respiratory distress synd
44,261-hypertensive disease
23,275-heart disease
28,000-cardiac arrest
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https://noqreport.com/2020/10/29/cdc-shows-again-how-pretty-much-anyone-who-died-with-covid-19-died-from-covid-19/ (https://noqreport.com/2020/10/29/cdc-shows-again-how-pretty-much-anyone-who-died-with-covid-19-died-from-covid-19/)
https://twitter.com/talkmaster/status/1322146189668683776?s=21 (https://twitter.com/talkmaster/status/1322146189668683776?s=21)
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https://noqreport.com/2020/10/29/cdc-shows-again-how-pretty-much-anyone-who-died-with-covid-19-died-from-covid-19/
Of the 220K+ deaths reported as CV-19, the actual cause was:
88,208-pneumonia/influenza
17,799-chronic respiratory disease
26,365-respiratory distress synd
44,261-hypertensive disease
23,275-heart disease
28,000-cardiac arrest
And most people that get shot don't die from the bullet. They die from blood loss or failed organs or shock.
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And most people that get shot don't die from the bullet. They die from blood loss or failed organs or shock.
And your point?
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And most people that get shot don't die from the bullet. They die from blood loss or failed organs or shock.
Kind of like Ebola, eh?
The point being, consider whether or not the cause of blood loss is the root cause of death.
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Kind of like Ebola, eh?
The point being, consider whether or not the cause of blood loss is the root cause of death.
At first I thought you were agreeing with me. But then Lucifer liked it so maybe I took your comment wrong.
In the case of the gunshot, even though the person died of blood loss, the root cause was the gunshot.
And in the case of the people that died from pneumonia or respiratory distress, the root cause may have been Covid.
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And in the case of the people that died from pneumonia or respiratory distress, the root cause may have been Covid.
Even though they were previously diagnosed with pneumonia or respiratory distress?
That's the point here, the huge majority of these people had pre-existing conditions before the covid diagnosis, but yet when they died they are being reported as dying from covid, not dying with covid.
That terminology slight of hand, just like using the term "cases" makes this virus seem much more deadly and worse than it actually is. Couple that with a MSM that works tirelessly to hide the truth about it, and a political ideology which has weaponized it and we see the unending fear mongering that we have.
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Even though they were previously diagnosed with pneumonia or respiratory distress?
That's the point here, the huge majority of these people had pre-existing conditions before the covid diagnosis, but yet when they died they are being reported as dying from covid, not dying with covid.
That terminology slight of hand, just like using the term "cases" makes this virus seem much more deadly and worse than it actually is. Couple that with a MSM that works tirelessly to hide the truth about it, and a political ideology which has weaponized it and we see the unending fear mongering that we have.
Yeah the numbers don't really tell the story. You have to know which came first, the chicken or the egg. Hypertensive disease, cardiac disease and chronic pulmonary disease are likely pre-existing and the true cause of death, while pneumonia, RDS, and cardiac arrest could be directly caused BY the covid. I think it's deeply irresponsible for the CDC to publish such data without clarification. But the CDC has done a lot of irresponsible atrocious things here.
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Yeah the numbers don't really tell the story. You have to know which came first, the chicken or the egg. Hypertensive disease, cardiac disease and chronic pulmonary disease are likely pre-existing and the true cause of death, while pneumonia, RDS, and cardiac arrest could be directly caused BY the covid. I think it's deeply irresponsible for the CDC to publish such data without clarification. But the CDC has done a lot of irresponsible atrocious things here.
The CARES Act incentivized hospitals to list the cause of death as covid. That's a fact. The CDC, like many government agencies have been weaponized by the leftist, so little wonder their data is misleading.
And of course, no one wants to see or hear Dr. Birx when she made the comment early on, that if the country does everything perfect, we would see about 200,000 deaths.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dr-deborah-birx-predicts-200-000-deaths-if-we-do-n1171876
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At first I thought you were agreeing with me. But then Lucifer liked it so maybe I took your comment wrong.
In the case of the gunshot, even though the person died of blood loss, the root cause was the gunshot.
And in the case of the people that died from pneumonia or respiratory distress, the root cause may have been Covid.
I certainly wasn't disagreeing.
I was more building on your post to emphasize the distinction among root cause and etc etc
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The CARES Act incentivized hospitals to list the cause of death as covid. That's a fact. The CDC, like many government agencies have been weaponized by the leftist, so little wonder their data is misleading.
And of course, no one wants to see or hear Dr. Birx when she made the comment early on, that if the country does everything perfect, we would see about 200,000 deaths.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dr-deborah-birx-predicts-200-000-deaths-if-we-do-n1171876
So Trump did everything perfectly.
Why is the left saying he mismanaged the whole thing and caused 200,000 deaths?
That’s a rhetorical question.
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Yeah the numbers don't really tell the story. You have to know which came first, the chicken or the egg. Hypertensive disease, cardiac disease and chronic pulmonary disease are likely pre-existing and the true cause of death, while pneumonia, RDS, and cardiac arrest could be directly caused BY the covid. I think it's deeply irresponsible for the CDC to publish such data without clarification. But the CDC has done a lot of irresponsible atrocious things here.
No disagreement here. Trying to nail down the actual cause of death and build that into statistics is a very difficult task. With all the politics involved, it's even more difficult. Dirty data is the death of statistics.
You're right on the money with the chicken / egg analogy. For example, we have an old person with hypertensive disease, cardiac disease and chronic pulmonary disease. That person gets pushed off a 10 story building and goes splat. The cause of death is the push and splat. True, he did also have those other diseases, but he died with those, not because of those.
On the other hand, if he died of Hypertensive disease, cardiac disease, or chronic pulmonary disease and also had pneumonia and COVID, then he died with COVID, not because of it.
I don't think we'll ever get to the REAL numbers. Especially not anytime soon with it being so political to game the numbers one way or the other.
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If we code this as death due to pneumonia we get $xxx and if we code it a death due to COVID we get $xxxx, take,your pick.
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If anyone wants to come onto campus they have to report their temperature and presence of any symptoms.
I thought the spread was mostly due to the asymptomatic carriers.
So the "reporting" is, kindly, ineffective.
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Another thing that has changed is that in early March, the virus was not prevalent over here.
Really?
https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-daily-deaths
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Really?
https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-daily-deaths
Perhaps we disagree on the definition of the word "early".
As of March 8 (the date of the Fauci interview) There were 217 confirmed cases and 11 deaths in the US.
As of Mar 31 there were 140,640 confirmed cases and 2,398 deaths.
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In maskachusetts, the death count and hospitalizations were sharply declining before masks were required.
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No more lockdown
No more government overreach
No more fascist police
Disturbing our peace
No more taking of our freedom
And our God-given rights
Pretending it’s for our safety
When it’s really to enslave
Who’s running our country?
Who’s running our world?
Examine it closely
And watch it unfurl
No more lockdown
No more threats
No more Imperial College Santas
Making up crooked facts
No more lockdown
No more pulling the wool over our eyes
No more celebrities telling us
How we’re supposed to feel
No more status quo
Gotta put your shoulder to the wind
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And yesterday the UK just instituted more lockdowns into December.
Guess they figured it's time to go back and finish off what's left of their economy and their crap socialized medical system.
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Where did you get a photo of steingar standing on a ladder?
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Aren't you supposed to wear a mask on the plane?
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Aren't you supposed to wear a mask on the plane?
Pope Tony of the Branch Covidians offers special dispensation to those he has "blessed".
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Aren't you supposed to wear a mask on the plane?
they must have special filters and sanitation of the airflow.
yeah, that must be it...
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The Democrats and the MEDIA have finally found something they can use to control the populace and remove Rights, liberties and freedoms. FEAR of health issues. Man Made Climate Change failed as it is an obvious LIE and too long term. This is immediate and they use the old if we can even save one life argument. Totally criminal. We need some hangings to follow all this including the liars in the MEDIA.
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Aren't you supposed to wear a mask on the plane?
Yet he moral preens by wearing a mask up to and while standing at a podium. What a pathetic politician.
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in maskachusetts, the idiot gov has just issued an order that everyone 5 and older must wear a mask in public at all times regardless of how far away anyone is.
I'm wondering where the science is for that...
Hey, professor... explain how a mask does anything at all when no one is within 100 yards... explain the science.
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Simply asking about any order given by a progressive is racist and you are now on the black list.
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https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/11/01/candace-owens-if-you-believe-that-government-can-stop-a-virus-then-you-are-an-idiot-991744
https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1322552757560160256
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Amen Candace!!!
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Amen Candace!!!
We need to get her in the White House the minute she becomes of age.
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https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/11/most-masked-european-countries-have-biggest-daniel-greenfield/
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Aren't you supposed to wear a mask on the plane?
Photo is from November 2019.
https://www.vogue.com/article/meet-remi-yamamoto-joe-biden-traveling-national-press-secretary
Takes 5 seconds to fact-check stuff like this.
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https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/11/01/candace-owens-if-you-believe-that-government-can-stop-a-virus-then-you-are-an-idiot-991744
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/09/nikki-haley/no-khrushchev-didnt-say-about-americans-60-years-a
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https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/09/nikki-haley/no-khrushchev-didnt-say-about-americans-60-years-a
Yes, I have submitted a request for them to fact check their own page. Their sources are incomplete.
In addition to multiple newspaper reports of the time, there are these two documents from the CIA which are easier to reference
Quoting the 1959 Congressional Record, page A8121
First page, left side
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP91-00965R000300110052-9.pdf
CIA report, “We will bury you”
Page 7 of the PDF, 2nd paragraph from the bottom. Khrushchev himself references his own speech making that statement.
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP73B00296R000200040087-1.pdf
There's also a speech by Ronald Reagan in 1961 which states that Khrushchev said this. He couldn't have made up the reference.
To me, this is very adequate proof that it was said. The fact checkers are too quick to not find what they want and therefore lose great credibility.
Now, I will admit, this took a little longer than 5 seconds, but not a whole lot longer.
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Politifact
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The very end hits home. The young and soft of mind are being manipulated by social media and the internet. We've created our own demise.
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Yes, I have submitted a request for them to fact check their own page. Their sources are incomplete.
In addition to multiple newspaper reports of the time, there are these two documents from the CIA which are easier to reference
Quoting the 1959 Congressional Record, page A8121
First page, left side
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP91-00965R000300110052-9.pdf
CIA report, “We will bury you”
Page 7 of the PDF, 2nd paragraph from the bottom. Khrushchev himself references his own speech making that statement.
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP73B00296R000200040087-1.pdf
There's also a speech by Ronald Reagan in 1961 which states that Khrushchev said this. He couldn't have made up the reference.
To me, this is very adequate proof that it was said. The fact checkers are too quick to not find what they want and therefore lose great credibility.
Now, I will admit, this took a little longer than 5 seconds, but not a whole lot longer.
I think you went after the "Your children's children will live under communism part", which wasn't what Candace Owens quoted, and I agree Khrushchev probably said. And Reagan pretty much implied the same back to him.
The part you should check is: "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright; but, we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and find you already have Communism"
And I don't say he never said that. I'm saying (and PolitiFact is saying), that there's no proof that he said that. We can directly quote people nowadays on their own words and actions, we don't need to make additional stuff up or repeat hearsay.
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I think you went after the "Your children's children will live under communism part", which wasn't what Candace Owens quoted, and I agree Khrushchev probably said. And Reagan pretty much implied the same back to him.
Yes. The source appears not to be recorded on the internet, so I don't definitively know what Khrushchev said. It's widely attributed to the Kitchen Debate, but there's no reference to it in a transcript. Having read his speech transcripts and CIA contact reports with him, I'm 100% convinced that it was in the character of what he would say. Undoubtedly the sentiment was expressed, but probably not with those exact words.
Most people believe "We will bury you" meant he would destroy the United States, but what he meant by it was that capitalism would slowly be morphed into socialism. He was not saying the Soviet Union would help destroy the US, although he wouldn't have been opposed to helping because to him, it was inevitable and it would be good for us. Rather he was saying that we would willingly give up our freedoms for the security he believed lay in socialism. In that regard, he was either being exceptionally duplicitous or exceptionally naive. Every person I've ever heard who has lived under socialism says it is misery and that capitalism is such a better system. Socialism looks good at first, but only until it runs out of money, by which point of course, The People have long lost the power to change it.
So, not a word for word quote, but it certainly captures his ideas.
I presume you're here because you're a pilot - under a socialist system, you should expect to become a farm worker or janitor, whatever is needed, there is no room to fund a hobby like flying for you.
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I don't think he's a pilot. He's a locust
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Seems about right....
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I still think the resistance to masks is one of the funniest things I've seen in my lifetime. It's just a piece of cloth. Do you guys think having to wear pants is tyranny? After all, it's just another piece of cloth. Go without it and not only can you land in jail, but you can wind up on a list of sexual predators that has no end date and can follow you around for the rest of your life.
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I still think the resistance to masks is one of the funniest things I've seen in my lifetime. It's just a piece of cloth. Do you guys think having to wear pants is tyranny? After all, it's just another piece of cloth. Go without it and not only can you land in jail, but you can wind up on a list of sexual predators that has no end date and can follow you around for the rest of your life.
Do a web search on naked bike rides.
There are no laws in the U.S. that require the wearing of pants. The laws on indecent exposure are somewhat variable and exist due to local social norms. Social pressure exists in certain localities wherein nudity is in fact an accepted norm. Ergo by your argument if we establish an accepted social norm of masks being at the discretion of the individual that would be acceptable, correct?
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I still think the resistance to masks is one of the funniest things I've seen in my lifetime. It's just a piece of cloth. Do you guys think having to wear pants is tyranny? After all, it's just another piece of cloth. Go without it and not only can you land in jail, but you can wind up on a list of sexual predators that has no end date and can follow you around for the rest of your life.
The burqa is just a piece of cloth.
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Do a web search on naked bike rides.
There are no laws in the U.S. that require the wearing of pants. The laws on indecent exposure are somewhat variable and exist due to local social norms. Social pressure exists in certain localities wherein nudity is in fact an accepted norm. Ergo by your argument if we establish an accepted social norm of masks being at the discretion of the individual that would be acceptable, correct?
You go out in your municipality without pants and tell me how it goes. And by the way, your pants do naught but cover your modesty. The mask can prevent you from transmitting a deadly airborne pathogen.
One of my students today talked about his COVID experience. He had a high fever for three days. I've never had. high fever for more than 3 hours. I'm hoping to skip this one. Do what you want.
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One of my students today talked about his COVID experience. He had a high fever for three days. I've never had. high fever for more than 3 hours. I'm hoping to skip this one. Do what you want.
Did your student talk about how he wore a mask all the time and still somehow contracted covid?
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Did your student talk about how he wore a mask all the time and still somehow contracted covid?
Probably from someone that wasn't wearing a mask.
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Probably from someone that wasn't wearing a mask.
ah, of course, because masks don't protect the wearer. What was I thinking?
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https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1325169140701802497
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It's a miracle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.28.20221580v1.full.pdf
2 One Sentence Summary: Seated indoor events, when conducted under hygiene precautions and with adequate ventilation, have small effects on the spread of COVID-19.
Gee, wonder what happened???? Just a week ago we were being told there was a "dark winter" ahead.
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Two Tweets, same person......
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/democrats-pack-streets-celebrating-biden-janice-dean-blisters-authorities-for-hypocrisy-over-covid
Following legacy media announcements proclaiming Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden the winner of the 2020 election, thousands of people packed the streets of cities around the country to celebrate.
On Sunday, Fox News meteorologist Janice Dean, whose husband tragically lost both his parents to COVID-19 while they were residents of assisted living facilities or nursing homes in New York, fired off a powerful Twitter thread denouncing authorities for prohibiting families from being together during holidays or while their relatives were dying, but permitting huge gatherings of people celebrate Biden’s results.
Dean began the thread tweeting, “The pictures of all the crowds. The hundreds of thousands of people packed in the streets without distance while so many of us couldn’t have funerals or gatherings. Many still can’t see their loved ones because of restrictions. Kids can’t go to school. Businesses closed.”
She warned, “We’ll remember this.”
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They’ll remember that it was Dem governors who imposed it, I’m sure.
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Pfizer says their vaccine is 90% effective. Dow 30 futures are up around 1,500 points at this point. Zoom, Netflix, etc are down. Operation Warp Speed for the win.
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Pfizer says their vaccine is 90% effective. Dow 30 futures are up around 1,500 points at this point. Zoom, Netflix, etc are down. Operation Warp Speed for the win.
Don't worry, President Kamala and her MSM will declare the vaccine as flawed, and she will have the FDA pull it. She will wait until Pope Tony and his cho$en company have one ready (whether it works or not)............
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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/newly-surfaced-video-july-fauci-tests-dead-virus
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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/newly-surfaced-video-july-fauci-tests-dead-virus
I have to disagree with Dr. Fauci on this. RNAs aren't terribly stable intracellularly. I doubt you'd pick up an inactive infection unless it was just ending.
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I have to disagree with Dr. Fauci on this. RNAs aren't terribly stable intracellularly. I doubt you'd pick up an inactive infection unless it was just ending.
How can you argue with the premier epidemiologist in the nation? Don't you trust the experts?
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I have to disagree with Dr. Fauci on this. RNAs aren't terribly stable intracellularly. I doubt you'd pick up an inactive infection unless it was just ending.
Are you willing to risk expulsion from the Branch Covidians for disagreeing with Pope Tony?
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How can you argue with the premier epidemiologist in the nation? Don't you trust the experts?
I know a crapload more about basic molecular biology that Dr. Fauci. He is an MD after all. He knows way more than me about viruses and how to treat them.
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How can you argue with the premier epidemiologist in the nation? Don't you trust the experts?
He needs to listen to the science.
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I know a crapload more about basic molecular biology that Dr. Fauci. He is an MD after all. He knows way more than me about viruses and how to treat them.
Science Denier! Burn the witch!