Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 29, 2017, 06:02:06 AM
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/business/media/nbc-matt-lauer.html
Quote
NBC Fires Matt Lauer Over Sexual Misconduct Allegation
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 29, 2017, 06:04:08 AM
Post by: Little Joe on November 29, 2017, 06:11:04 AM
While we're at it, anyone know why Luis Gutierrez suddenly dropped out of the Congressional race in Illinois?I think you would have to ask someone within the Chicago machine; like Rahm Emanuel. The idea that common liberal citizens elect their liberal leaders is one of the all-time great lies.
Post by: Lucifer on November 29, 2017, 06:28:12 AM
Post by: invflatspin on November 29, 2017, 07:25:31 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 29, 2017, 07:54:20 AM
The D's opened Pandora's box.
The "D's" (more appropriately progressives) have always felt entitled and believed they had the high morality. They pushed the agenda that only those despicable conservatives were mouth breathing lecherous sexual predators. Their tried and true sex smear tactics have become very predictable.
And of course, the coastal progressives try to convince us these predators (D) are actually "icons" and , well, geez..."they said they were sorry" or in the case of the rapist Bill Clinton "can't we move on, that was so long ago".
Post by: nddons on November 29, 2017, 08:36:54 AM
The D's opened Pandora's box.Oh yea. Big time. They thought with Harvey Weinstein they could boot that ugly creep from the inter sanctum of progressivism and then get anointed as the morally superior party, opening the door to take Donald Trump out. And, they could do so without a hint of hypocrisy, because they cleansed their own ranks. Or so they thought.
Then the shit hit the fan, proving that the leftists are perhaps the chief hypocrites, given their moral superiority over booting people like Bill O’Reilly, Roy Moore, and others.
This is going to be good, but it does shoot their desires to snag Trump on this type of high crime or misdemeanor in the foot. I don’t doubt for a minute that they will keep it up, but their hypocrisy will be fully exposed to the public.
Post by: Number7 on November 29, 2017, 08:53:05 AM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 29, 2017, 09:20:34 AM
Post by: invflatspin on November 29, 2017, 12:00:36 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/29/garrison-keillor-says-hes-been-fired-by-minnesota-public-radio-over-allegations-inappropriate-behavior.html
Post by: LevelWing on November 29, 2017, 12:10:54 PM
While we're at it, anyone know why Luis Gutierrez suddenly dropped out of the Congressional race in Illinois?There was also this weird statement from Rep. Al Green (D-TX):
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/27/rep-al-green-releases-odd-statement-about-allegations-with-longtime-friend.html
Post by: Steingar on November 29, 2017, 12:29:47 PM
Post by: Little Joe on November 29, 2017, 12:50:27 PM
Garrison Kiellor as well.Let's see, off the top of my head, I can think of these:
Republicans/Conservatives:
Donald Trump
Roy Moore
Bill Cosby
Democrats/Liberals:
Bill Clinton
Anthony Weiner
Harvey Weinstein
Kevin Spacey
Louis C. K.
Matt Lauer
Garrison Keillor
Who have I missed?
edit to comment: I am making this partisan, because that is what we do in the Spin Zone.
Post by: Lucifer on November 29, 2017, 12:58:25 PM
Let's see, off the top of my head, I can think of these:
Republicans/Conservatives:
Donald Trump
Roy Moore
Bill Cosby
Democrats/Liberals:
Bill Clinton
Anthony Weiner
Harvey Weinstein
Kevin Spacey
Louis C. K.
Matt Lauer
Garrison Keilor
Who have I missed?
edit to comment: I am making this partisan, because that is what we do in the Spin Zone.
Conyers, the "icon" of the democrat party. Al Franken, Sen and Coke Head of the democrat party.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 29, 2017, 01:02:26 PM
Let's see, off the top of my head, I can think of these:
Republicans/Conservatives:
Donald Trump
Roy Moore
Bill Cosby
Democrats/Liberals:
Bill Clinton
Anthony Weiner
Harvey Weinstein
Kevin Spacey
Louis C. K.
Matt Lauer
Garrison Keillor
Who have I missed?
edit to comment: I am making this partisan, because that is what we do in the Spin Zone.
So what exactly did Trump supposedly do to end up on a list with Bill Cosby?
Post by: Lucifer on November 29, 2017, 01:05:00 PM
So what exactly did Trump supposedly do to end up on a list with Bill Cosby?
Get accused. If one is an "R", the accusation is then "guilty as charged". If it's a progressive, and there is evidence, then it becomes they are either an icon or "that was long ago, we should just move on".
Post by: Little Joe on November 29, 2017, 01:10:21 PM
So what exactly did Trump supposedly do to end up on a list with Bill Cosby?That "Pussy" tape was pretty damn bad. Everything else I heard about him was unsubstantiated allegations.
But there is nothing new here. Men have been behaving badly since Adam first saw Eve without her fig leaf. If it weren't for men's libido, our species would have been wiped out before we learned to walk upright.
Post by: invflatspin on November 29, 2017, 01:12:53 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 29, 2017, 01:59:22 PM
That "Pussy" tape was pretty damn bad. Everything else I heard about him was unsubstantiated allegations.
But there is nothing new here. Men have been behaving badly since Adam first saw Eve without her fig leaf. If it weren't for men's libido, our species would have been wiped out before we learned to walk upright.
LOCKER ROOM TALK IS AS BAD AS BEING ACCUSED OF ACTUAL ASSAULT?
Post by: Little Joe on November 29, 2017, 02:05:35 PM
LOCKER ROOM TALK IS AS BAD AS BEING ACCUSED OF ACTUAL ASSAULT?No it isn't. Why would you even say that?
(that was a rhetorical question). I know you have your panties in a wad and want to pick a fight, but I ain't buyin it. Everyone on the list had different degrees of offenses. Some of them were unsubstantiated allegations. Some where either admitted or proven. But there is someone to believe any one of them are true. Funny that it depends on which side of the isle you identify with as to which ones you deem important or irrelevant.
Post by: Lucifer on November 29, 2017, 02:06:49 PM
LOCKER ROOM TALK IS AS BAD AS BEING ACCUSED OF ACTUAL ASSAULT?
If the accused is a conservative? Oh hell yea!
Post by: LevelWing on November 29, 2017, 02:09:52 PM
Funny that it depends on which side of the isle you identify with as to which ones you deem important or irrelevant.It shouldn't to intellectually honest people.
Post by: Little Joe on November 29, 2017, 02:23:12 PM
It shouldn't to intellectually honest people.Sorry, but I just don't know too many of those; especially in politics.
Or on internet forums.
Post by: bflynn on November 29, 2017, 02:40:23 PM
Post by: Little Joe on November 29, 2017, 03:21:54 PM
Bill Cosby is a Democrat.That's what I always thought. I was confused by an article I saw that said he announced that he was going to run for President as a Republican in 2016. I believed it because he always tried to get young black kids to take responsibility for their actions. Very un-Democrat-like. And he was always accused of being a traitor to his race. That is usually a sign that he is a conservative.
But I think you are right.
Post by: Anthony on November 29, 2017, 05:29:41 PM
Gary Hart
John Edwards
Ted Kennedy
And No you cant put Trump in the same category as these guys because he made a lewd comment. Seriously?
Post by: Lucifer on November 29, 2017, 05:34:30 PM
You left out Democrats:
Gary Hart
John Edwards
Ted Kennedy
And No you cant put Trump in the same category as these guys because he made a lewd comment. Seriously?
Yep,and if you’re Ted Kennedy ( Champion of Women) you can sexually abuse and even murder them, without consequence.
Post by: Rush on November 29, 2017, 06:31:54 PM
That's what I always thought. I was confused by an article I saw that said he announced that he was going to run for President as a Republican in 2016. I believed it because he always tried to get young black kids to take responsibility for their actions. Very un-Democrat-like. And he was always accused of being a traitor to his race. That is usually a sign that he is a conservative.
But I think you are right.
He's old. He must be like what Democrats used to be back in the day.
Post by: Lucifer on November 29, 2017, 07:08:35 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 29, 2017, 08:14:32 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 29, 2017, 08:34:38 PM
Does anyone have any idea why all this stuff is coming now? I'm a little perplexed by the whole thing.The left's power is weakening and they can't hold this stuff in anymore. Hollywood and big Dems were complicit with the press to keep it down. All for the benefit of women, don't ya know!
Post by: Rush on November 30, 2017, 05:35:38 AM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/micahrate/2017/11/29/here-is-the-list-of-people-who-have-been-fired-over-sexual-misconduct-n2415849
Kevin Spacey was fired from House of Cards? Poo! I like him.
This is completely out of hand.
Post by: nddons on November 30, 2017, 06:02:06 AM
Kevin Spacey was fired from House of Cards? Poo! I like him.I stopped watching House of Cards after Spacey and his wife did a threesome with some guy. Gross.
This is completely out of hand.
He’s always been creepy to me.
Post by: Lucifer on November 30, 2017, 06:32:37 AM
Does anyone have any idea why all this stuff is coming now? I'm a little perplexed by the whole thing.
Personally I believe it's "Enough is enough!". And by saying that I believe certain factions are sick and tired of the progressive playbook of sex smears. So when the Roy Moore smear happened, they said OK, if you want to play with allegations, let's see how you like it when presented with FACTS.
Just my opinion.
Post by: Lucifer on November 30, 2017, 06:36:04 AM
The left's power is weakening and they can't hold this stuff in anymore. Hollywood and big Dems were complicit with the press to keep it down. All for the benefit of women, don't ya know!
That, and the left's constant use of sex scandals against conservatives using shady allegations. The progressives have always pretended to take the moral high road and portray conservatives as sex sleaze perverts.
What's the saying about stones and glass houses?
Post by: Little Joe on November 30, 2017, 07:02:00 AM
Does anyone have any idea why all this stuff is coming now? I'm a little perplexed by the whole thing.Libs got so upset about the Trump "Pussy" tape they started "#metoo where every woman that has ever had a guy come on to them that they didn't like could post their experience. The problem is that it sort of backfired on them because most of the offenders seem to be Ds and liberal Hollywood types.
But regardless of politics, I think it is overdue. There is an easily distinguishable line between flirting and assault. Just because a guy thinks it is funny, or that everybody does it, or that he can get away with it does not make it ok.
Post by: Lucifer on November 30, 2017, 08:29:32 AM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2017/11/30/conyers-hospitalized-n2416186
Look for Al "Cokehead" Franken to go admit himself to a hospital any moment now.
Post by: Number7 on November 30, 2017, 08:32:31 AM
I recall a progressive (communist) professor on.a talk show saying that the conservative college students are no problem. They can be intimidated, abused, scared, or threatened into silence. Its the progressive college students who refuse to do what they’re told by their progressive masters that are causing all this heartache.
Do any of you think that a liberal college twit could have driven any liberal agenda twenty years ago???
Not a chance. But the progressive (communist) professors lit these fires and now are getting burned by them.
Post by: invflatspin on November 30, 2017, 09:10:23 AM
Post by: LevelWing on November 30, 2017, 09:11:07 AM
Quote from: Jonah Goldberg/National Review
We live in a moment beset by tribalisms, from partisanship to myriad forms of identity politics. All of them work on the assumption that neutral rules are unfair or unjust because my tribe is somehow especially noble or your tribe is especially evil.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454125/nancy-pelosi-john-conyers-statement-stopping-partisan-double-standards
Post by: LevelWing on November 30, 2017, 09:12:14 AM
Army vet(woman) just now accusing Franken of groping her breast during USO tour in 03. We've got 5 accusations, two pictures, and admission and apology by Franken now. What do we have on Moore at this point? 40 year old accusations from teens who support the Dems? The hypocrisy of the left is just mind-blowing.Credible reporting from reporters who did their homework. James O'Keefe tried to do an undercover sting on them and it backfired.
Post by: Lucifer on November 30, 2017, 09:15:22 AM
Credible reporting from reporters who did their homework.
I'm still waiting to see credible evidence from that "homework".
The only evidence presented was a yearbook with a note and signature. And that evidence was so good that Gloria Alred refused to have it examined, and even she wouldn't acknowledge if it was fake or not.
Post by: LevelWing on November 30, 2017, 09:33:44 AM
I'm still waiting to see credible evidence from that "homework".If you read the Washington Post article then you'll see what their evidence is. Just because the Washington Post is a left-leaning outlet, likely with an agenda, doesn't make it less true. Just because you don't like them doesn't make it less true. If you don't want to believe them, that's fine. Gloria Allred offered up the yearbook for independent examination and hasn't done it yet, but she should. If it was forged that doesn't mean that that particular accuser is lying, but it certainly damages her credibility and damages the credibility of the other accusers.
The only evidence presented was a yearbook with a note and signature. And that evidence was so good that Gloria Alred refused to have it examined, and even she wouldn't acknowledge if it was fake or not.
Don't forget it was the left-leaning New York Times that broke the Harvey Weinstein (a Hollywood leftist) story which led to all of this.
This isn't a partisan issue. As a society we shouldn't be accepting of, or tolerating, those who commit acts of sexual misconduct. The private sector has been acting swiftly to clean up where they can. The government should be doing the same. And when people like Pelosi come out and call Conyers an "icon" and James Clyburn comes out and says that it's different because Franken and Conyers were elected, it does nothing but give a defense to Roy Moore and other would-be Roy Moore's out there because they can then say ,"well the people elected me even knowing about these allegations" and now it's suddenly okay. It's not.
Post by: LevelWing on November 30, 2017, 09:36:12 AM
Quote from: The Daily Beast
Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) called on Rep. Jon Conyers (D-MI) to resign on Thursday following a host of sexual-misconduct allegations against the senior Democrat. “The allegations against Conyers, we have learned more since Sunday, are serious, disappointing and very credible," Pelosi told reporters this morning. "Congressman Conyers should resign."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/nancy-pelosi-john-conyers-should-resign
Post by: nddons on November 30, 2017, 09:49:32 AM
Pelosi is now saying that Conyers should resign:Pelosi only wants Conyers to resign because it hurts Pelosi. That’s it.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/nancy-pelosi-john-conyers-should-resign
I hope he doesn’t resign. This should be good.
Post by: Lucifer on November 30, 2017, 10:04:08 AM
If you read the Washington Post article then you'll see what their evidence is. Just because the Washington Post is a left-leaning outlet, likely with an agenda, doesn't make it less true.
I read it, and what was presented was a farce. Like I said, let's see some actual evidence.
Just because you don't like them doesn't make it less true.
Just because you dislike Roy Moore doesn't make it true.
Gloria Allred offered up the yearbook for independent examination and hasn't done it yet, but she should. If it was forged that doesn't mean that that particular accuser is lying, but it certainly damages her credibility and damages the credibility of the other accusers.
WTF? An accuser uses a forged document as evidence, and that doesn't taint the accusation?
BULLSHIT pal.
Post by: bflynn on November 30, 2017, 10:20:21 AM
If you read the Washington Post article then you'll see what their evidence is. Just because the Washington Post is a left-leaning outlet, likely with an agenda, doesn't make it less true. Just because you don't like them doesn't make it less true. If you don't want to believe them, that's fine. Gloria Allred offered up the yearbook for independent examination and hasn't done it yet, but she should. If it was forged that doesn't mean that that particular accuser is lying, but it certainly damages her credibility and damages the credibility of the other accusers.
Don't forget it was the left-leaning New York Times that broke the Harvey Weinstein (a Hollywood leftist) story which led to all of this.
This isn't a partisan issue. As a society we shouldn't be accepting of, or tolerating, those who commit acts of sexual misconduct. The private sector has been acting swiftly to clean up where they can. The government should be doing the same. And when people like Pelosi come out and call Conyers an "icon" and James Clyburn comes out and says that it's different because Franken and Conyers were elected, it does nothing but give a defense to Roy Moore and other would-be Roy Moore's out there because they can then say ,"well the people elected me even knowing about these allegations" and now it's suddenly okay. It's not.
The issue is not that We The People have decided that it is OK. It is that we have no way of legitimately knowing what is actually true. Roy Moore did not get a bounce in the polls because people decided to excuse his behavior, he got the bounce because so many who rushed to judgement changed their mind about the truth of it. If you have seen the picture of Gloria Alred’s Yearbook evidence then there is no question. I am quite sure that the accuser who provided the yearbook is getting raked over the coals for the damage to Alred’s “reputation”. There is so much about that case which doesn’t make sense to me that I can absolutely understand people deciding that there is lying going on.
In Congress I am quite sure there are a dozen more who are holding their breath hoping that this will all go away. They do not want to start executing people because they are just a false accusation away from being executed themselves. Nobody wants a witch hunt because nobody would be safe.
Private industry is not protecting their virtue, they are protecting their bank account. There is risk of them getting pulled into a lawsuit if they show any support, so executing someone at the first suggestion of risk is the norm now.
Post by: LevelWing on November 30, 2017, 11:57:27 AM
I read it, and what was presented was a farce. Like I said, let's see some actual evidence.That's your opinion, and that's fine. There have been multiple witnesses who have gone on the record to present their sides of the story to corroborate at least one of the accuser's stories. If you don't want to believe that then like I said, that's up to you.
Just because you dislike Roy Moore doesn't make it true.Correct. I just happen to think, based on what's been presented thus far, that he had a thing for much younger women and likely engaged in inappropriate, perhaps illegal, behavior. I'm ready to eat crow if it turns out that's not true.
WTF? An accuser uses a forged document as evidence, and that doesn't taint the accusation?You bolded the first part but not the second part which directly addresses your response. Of course it taints the accusation of that one witness, but it doesn't make it not true. Nor does it make any of the other accuser's stories untrue, but it certainly damages credibility.
BULLSHIT pal.
Post by: LevelWing on November 30, 2017, 12:05:20 PM
The issue is not that We The People have decided that it is OK. It is that we have no way of legitimately knowing what is actually true. Roy Moore did not get a bounce in the polls because people decided to excuse his behavior, he got the bounce because so many who rushed to judgement changed their mind about the truth of it.You don't think that with Pelosi and Clyburn taking the positions they have that it hasn't affected voter's views? It's essentially providing a defense for Moore regardless if he did it or not.
I wonder what Jones' polling numbers would be if he wasn't so radical on abortion. I think the numbers would look a lot differently if he was more moderate on the issue.
If you have seen the picture of Gloria Alred’s Yearbook evidence then there is no question. I am quite sure that the accuser who provided the yearbook is getting raked over the coals for the damage to Alred’s “reputation”. There is so much about that case which doesn’t make sense to me that I can absolutely understand people deciding that there is lying going on.Gloria Allred getting involved was almost certainly going to be a disaster for that accuser.
In Congress I am quite sure there are a dozen more who are holding their breath hoping that this will all go away. They do not want to start executing people because they are just a false accusation away from being executed themselves. Nobody wants a witch hunt because nobody would be safe.No doubt that there are bound to be some false accusations out there and some that probably haven't surfaced yet. As of right now there doesn't seem to be any, but things are still playing out so we'll see.
Private industry is not protecting their virtue, they are protecting their bank account. There is risk of them getting pulled into a lawsuit if they show any support, so executing someone at the first suggestion of risk is the norm now.That may be true, but they're still cleaning it up and Congress isn't. Have you seen the Congressional process for handling claims of sexual harassment? It's appalling.
Post by: Number7 on November 30, 2017, 01:09:31 PM
Every husband caught banging some other woman uses a variation of the same spiel. 'Are you going to believe ME, or your own lying eyes?'
Between the timeline, the yearbook, the silliness of the claims and the relationship of at least one key accuser and their employment with the democrat party, this has ALL the earmarks of a democrat sham.
If it walks like a dick, talks like a duck, and squeals like a duck... it's a duck.
Post by: nddons on November 30, 2017, 01:25:28 PM
In other words, 'just because the evidence is nonexistent, doesn't mean it didn't happen.'Or a dick.
Every husband caught banging some other woman uses a variation of the same spiel. 'Are you going to believe ME, or your own lying eyes?'
Between the timeline, the yearbook, the silliness of the claims and the relationship of at least one key accuser and their employment with the democrat party, this has ALL the earmarks of a democrat sham.
If it walks like a dick, talks like a duck, and squeals like a duck... it's a duck.
Post by: invflatspin on November 30, 2017, 03:38:52 PM
Post by: Number7 on November 30, 2017, 05:37:08 PM
Uhhh... note to Bette.
How much would you have had to PAY Geraldo to lay a finger on your ugly carcass???
Post by: nddons on November 30, 2017, 05:39:06 PM
I see that Bette Miller claims that Geraldo Rivera groped her, now. If that isn’t wishful thinking I don’t what is.I was thinking he same thing. Either that, or she was the absolute last chick in the bar at last call, and Geraldo lost his contact lenses.
Uhhh... note to Bette.
How much would you have had to PAY Geraldo to lay a finger on your ugly carcass???
Post by: Number7 on November 30, 2017, 05:41:04 PM
I was thinking he same thing. Either that, or she was the absolute last chick in the bar at last call, and Geraldo lost his contact lenses.
I’m thinking the #metoo train is pulling out and she didn’t get any attention. That has to hurt, but what man would risk his career for a squeeze of that hag? It would be like being accused of groping Sandra Bernhardt. It simply stretches credulity far too far.
Post by: invflatspin on November 30, 2017, 08:34:56 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment.html
Good luck with that Matt. Note to your lawyer - he will not be a good plaintiff in court.
Post by: Lucifer on December 01, 2017, 06:57:29 AM
Along with being sorry, Matt only wants $30 MILLION for firing him for cause.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment.html
Good luck with that Matt. Note to your lawyer - he will not be a good plaintiff in court.
They'll settle with him. He knows too much.
Post by: invflatspin on December 01, 2017, 07:36:57 AM
They'll settle with him. He knows too much.
You might be right. If it were me and I headed NBC, I would just say 'see you in court, Matt'. It's not like NBC has some kind of sterling reputation they need to protect. Unless he's got the COB or the CEOs balls in a vise, I can't see a reason to settle. Let a jury hear about all the specifics of why they fired him in open court, and the jury can decide. While they're at it, maybe NBC can counter-sue for lost income from his dick debacle. Not that I would give NBC any cash, but two can play that game.
Post by: Lucifer on December 01, 2017, 08:11:37 AM
You might be right. If it were me and I headed NBC, I would just say 'see you in court, Matt'. It's not like NBC has some kind of sterling reputation they need to protect. Unless he's got the COB or the CEOs balls in a vise, I can't see a reason to settle. Let a jury hear about all the specifics of why they fired him in open court, and the jury can decide. While they're at it, maybe NBC can counter-sue for lost income from his dick debacle. Not that I would give NBC any cash, but two can play that game.
He's not the only pervert working there. That, plus you can be sure he knows a lot of dirt on them, would make a great tell all book, or better yet might get lots of folks in the same position he's in, without the giant golden parachute.
Post by: bflynn on December 01, 2017, 08:31:34 AM
I just happen to think, based on what's been presented thus far, that he had a thing for much younger women and likely engaged in inappropriate, perhaps illegal, behavior. I'm ready to eat crow if it turns out that's not true.
Having a thing for younger women is not illegal - he legally courted 16 years old women, with their parent's knowledge and consent. He was a gentleman, held their hand, then kissed them good night at the door. When the woman or the parents didn't like it, he walked away. You can be disgusted at it, but it is not illegal to do this. Eventually he found a lady that he liked very much and married her when she was 18. I believe he was 32 or 33? Their marriage has lasted for decades.
With that knowledge, the follow on accusations that he took a 14 year old to the back alley, stripped her out of her clothing and then molested her just doesn't make sense. I hear that was looking for a wife, not an illegal thrill, so this just doesn't fit. Since we KNOW that the yearbook was forged...just the handwriting differences tell us that part of it was added later by a different person...then we KNOW that people are telling lies about him.
None of it is provable and the only evidence that could disprove a tiny piece of it has mysteriously become not available.
Post by: Little Joe on December 01, 2017, 09:26:46 AM
You might be right. If it were me and I headed NBC, I would just say 'see you in court, Matt'. It's not like NBC has some kind of sterling reputation they need to protect. Unless he's got the COB or the CEOs balls in a vise, I can't see a reason to settle. Let a jury hear about all the specifics of why they fired him in open court, and the jury can decide. While they're at it, maybe NBC can counter-sue for lost income from his dick debacle. Not that I would give NBC any cash, but two can play that game.I just hope that jury isn't from San Francisco.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/12/01/kate-steinle-case-trump-infuriated-as-jury-acquits-illegal-immigrant-charged-in-san-francisco-killing/?utm_term=.b070a825c296
Post by: LevelWing on December 01, 2017, 09:29:32 AM
Quote from: National Review
I’ll get this out the way: If you’re in Alabama and you want to vote for Roy Moore, vote for Roy Moore. But let’s at least try to keep things real: If you vote for Moore, you’re doing it because he’s not a Democrat, rather than because he’s some holy soldier on a special mission for God.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454244/roy-moore-controversy-christian-leaders-should-steer-clear-alabama-senate-race
Post by: LevelWing on December 05, 2017, 09:34:49 AM
It's important to note that this woman admits to dating Roy Moore but is not accusing him of anything improper.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/woman-shares-new-evidence-of-relationship-with-roy-moore-when-she-was-17/2017/12/04/0c3d1cde-d903-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?utm_term=.94357be0f5b5
In related news, a spokeswoman for Roy Moore went on CNN and told Poppy Harlow that all the women are making the accusations up. It was a crazy interview, worth watching:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/24325/watch-insane-interview-moore-spokesperson-attacks-ben-shapiro
Post by: Ron22 on December 06, 2017, 08:17:23 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/al-franken-accusation-sexual-harassment-2006-281049
I am sure she is another Trump voter just trying to frame him ;)
Post by: invflatspin on December 06, 2017, 10:56:20 AM
Post by: Ron22 on December 06, 2017, 11:20:19 AM
Post by: Ron22 on December 06, 2017, 12:45:15 PM
Quote
Republicans are being asked to give up a seat, and Democrats are at no risk of losing a seat. That is the difference. If Franken was in close special election and the vote was next week, none of these Democrats would have said a word. Alabama voters should send Roy Moore to the Senate and let the Senate ethics committee handle the allegations. They have no obligation to vote against their interests by sending a progressive Democrat to the Senate.
Dems know they can pretend to have the moral high ground because the MN gov will just appoint another Dem. No moral high ground here, just standard politics.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on December 06, 2017, 12:55:00 PM
Franken to have an 'announcement' on Thursday. I'm betting he will not be resigning, but will agree not to run for re-election. Not bad news, but not good either.
I have the leaked statement:
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it...people like me!"
Post by: LevelWing on December 06, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
I borrowed this from a comment on some article about Franken I think it sums it up the best.Flawed logic. I've said this before, but the balance in the senate would shift from 52-48 to 51-49 and it's not even a full term. To suggest this is some massive shift in the balance of the senate is just wrong.
Roy Moore's spokeswoman from that CNN interview tried to claim that this seat will be the deciding vote in balance of the Supreme Court for the next 30-40 years. Again, flawed logic.
Post by: Lucifer on December 06, 2017, 03:11:10 PM
Flawed logic. I've said this before, but the balance in the senate would shift from 52-48 to 51-49 and it's not even a full term. To suggest this is some massive shift in the balance of the senate is just wrong.
Roy Moore's spokeswoman from that CNN interview tried to claim that this seat will be the deciding vote in balance of the Supreme Court for the next 30-40 years. Again, flawed logic.
You are seriously misjudging and overlooking the establishment types in the senate as well as the house.
Post by: invflatspin on December 06, 2017, 03:23:47 PM
You are seriously misjudging and overlooking the establishment types in the senate as well as the house.
while there is a lot of truth to this, if the deciding vote on impeachment in the senate were a republican(or maybe close to deciding vote), the guy/gal who votes to impeach will be excoriated, and most likely evicted from the party. Not to say that they can't then join the Dem party, but a Rep voting to impeach Trump(sans very compelling evidence) would be a political death sentence.
See the vote in the senate for Clinton's impeachment, where they had spooge on a blue dress, and plenty of other evidence of not only malfeasance in office, but lying to investigators. That's why he no longer has a law license. For anything less than that obvious evidence, there will be no impeachment vote in the senate. If Trump does have something that big in his past, then he should be impeached and removed. Drain himself from the swamp.
Post by: Lucifer on December 06, 2017, 03:53:24 PM
Yet we can't repeal Obamacare. And even with several R congressmen and senators that actually campaigned and got elected on a repeal promise, when push came to shove, no repeal. And the bastard of the senate, one John McCain cast the no ballot.
So trying to convince me that the Senate has the republican majority and don't worry if they lose a senate seat because it will still be a republican majority doesn't give me much comfort.
Same goes with a whole host of issues that shouldn't be an issue in a house, a senate and a WH under one party.
Every senate seat is needed. Every house seat is needed. Right now the republicans have too many swamp creatures looking out for themselves and to hell with the rest of us.
Post by: invflatspin on December 06, 2017, 04:56:06 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 06, 2017, 05:00:28 PM
And looking out for their own neck is why they won't vote impeachment. Imagine the other party members reaction to unseating the president of the US. It would be brutal. Not to mention the biggest good old boy network in the world - the GOP
We are in different times now. What worked previously isn’t working now. We have an establishment that is fighting to hold onto power.
You can toss conventional wisdom out the window.
Post by: invflatspin on December 06, 2017, 05:29:44 PM
https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/reelect.php
When push comes to shove, and their neck is next on the block, NO ONE is going to vote to impeach a member of their own.
Post by: Lucifer on December 06, 2017, 05:43:41 PM
Hate to break it to you, but incumbent re-election rates are at an all time high.
https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/reelect.php
When push comes to shove, and their neck is next on the block, NO ONE is going to vote to impeach a member of their own.
Hate to break it to you, but you still don’t quite understand all of the dynamics in play.
The Republican Party is dead. All it is now is a bunch of special interest entities. They’ve already broke ranks with conventional wisdom, they’ve already turned their backs on their constituents.
You were the one “guaranteeing” Trump would not seek re-election. If these republicans were organized a sitting president would easily, without question slide into a second term. You’ve even alluded previously of the party back stabbing.
I don’t trust one goddamn politician in congress any further than I could kick them. And I goddamn don’t trust them with regards to fucking over a legal and rightful elected President.
Post by: Little Joe on December 06, 2017, 05:52:34 PM
So we have a republican majority in the house and the senate.A 51-49 majority for the Democrats may constitute control, because they vote as a block, principles be damned.
Yet we can't repeal Obamacare. And even with several R congressmen and senators that actually campaigned and got elected on a repeal promise, when push came to shove, no repeal. And the bastard of the senate, one John McCain cast the no ballot.
So trying to convince me that the Senate has the republican majority and don't worry if they lose a senate seat because it will still be a republican majority doesn't give me much comfort.
Same goes with a whole host of issues that shouldn't be an issue in a house, a senate and a WH under one party.
Every senate seat is needed. Every house seat is needed. Right now the republicans have too many swamp creatures looking out for themselves and to hell with the rest of us.
But the same majority for the Rs does NOT constitute control, because Rs are more likely to vote their conscience, or at least vote for their constituents best interest. And no two people will always have the exact same set of principles, or constituent demands. So a 51-49, or even a 55-45 majority would not guarantee control for the Rs. We need to vote in more conservatives, not fewer.
Post by: Lucifer on December 06, 2017, 06:39:55 PM
A 51-49 majority for the Democrats may constitute control, because they vote as a block, principles be damned.
But the same majority for the Rs does NOT constitute control, because Rs are more likely to vote their conscience, or at least vote for their constituents best interest. And no two people will always have the exact same set of principles, or constituent demands. So a 51-49, or even a 55-45 majority would not guarantee control for the Rs. We need to vote in more conservatives, not fewer.
Give that man a cigar!
Post by: bflynn on December 06, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
The D's opened Pandora's box.
Wait, someone assaulted Pandora too? What is the world coming to...
Post by: Lucifer on December 06, 2017, 07:09:09 PM
Wait, someone assaulted Pandora too? What is the world coming to...
Probably Al Franken...........
Post by: invflatspin on December 06, 2017, 07:43:13 PM
Post by: LevelWing on December 07, 2017, 12:01:56 AM
GOP is and will be a force, and if the money dries up(like it has with Moore), makes it very tough to stay in office. They all feed at the same trough, and no one(or maybe only McCain is going to shit in it).The money for Roy Moore has started flowing again now that the RNC has decided to start campaigning for him again.
Post by: LevelWing on December 07, 2017, 12:54:43 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2017, 01:42:28 PM
Al Franken has now resigned. The Democrats can now claim the moral high ground until and unless Roy Moore drops out of the race.
You know, that's a really fuckin' lame excuse you are using. Did Roy Moore kick your dog at one time?
Post by: LevelWing on December 07, 2017, 01:46:57 PM
You know, that's a really fuckin' lame excuse you are using. Did Roy Moore kick your dog at one time?No, but the right has been clamoring for the left to do the right thing and when they finally do (though I will argue that they're not doing it because it's the "right" thing but more so the politically expedient thing -- either way it's getting done) the right won't hold their own accountable. You rail against the establishment (much of the time justifiably so) and when some of the foremost conservatives come out against Roy Moore you don't like that either.
If you want Roy Moore to win because you think that he is needed for legislative purposes, then that's fine. I don't agree, and that's okay.
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2017, 01:50:46 PM
No, but the right has been clamoring for the left to do the right thing and when they finally do (though I will argue that they're not doing it because it's the "right" thing but more so the politically expedient thing -- either way it's getting done) the right won't hold their own accountable. You rail against the establishment (much of the time justifiably so) and when some of the foremost conservatives come out against Roy Moore you don't like that either.
If you want Roy Moore to win because you think that he is needed for legislative purposes, then that's fine. I don't agree, and that's okay.
Roy Moore's election is up to the people of Alabama. Unless you are a resident of Alabama you really don't have a dog in the fight.
As far as sex smears go, it's rather obvious when one is used in an attempt to derail a campaign or when one is alleged with actual evidence.
Post by: nddons on December 07, 2017, 04:16:42 PM
No, but the right has been clamoring for the left to do the right thing and when they finally do (though I will argue that they're not doing it because it's the "right" thing but more so the politically expedient thing -- either way it's getting done) the right won't hold their own accountable. You rail against the establishment (much of the time justifiably so) and when some of the foremost conservatives come out against Roy Moore you don't like that either.That’s bullshit. The right almost ALWAYS holds their kind accountable. The left virtually NEVER holds their kind accountable.
If you want Roy Moore to win because you think that he is needed for legislative purposes, then that's fine. I don't agree, and that's okay.
As for Moore, do you not think the people of Alabama have a say into who they want for Senator? Or is it the moral thing to step aside and let an avowed abortion zealot take the seat unchallenged?
Equivocating what Franken did WHILE A SITTING SENATOR is quite different from what someone did 40 years ago.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 07, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
Post by: LevelWing on December 08, 2017, 09:29:17 AM
That’s bullshit. The right almost ALWAYS holds their kind accountable. The left virtually NEVER holds their kind accountable.I'm not suggesting they do. I'm suggesting that they are currently holding their side accountable, whether or not it's for the right reasons is irrelevant.
As for Moore, do you not think the people of Alabama have a say into who they want for Senator? Or is it the moral thing to step aside and let an avowed abortion zealot take the seat unchallenged?I'd rather not have either. But I would hope you wouldn't find it acceptable to knowingly elect a credibly accused child molester strictly because the other guy is an abortion zealot who is very likely to lose in 2020 anyway.
I'd rather see a write-in candidate win.
Equivocating what Franken did WHILE A SITTING SENATOR is quite different from what someone did 40 years ago.The allegation that sparked the entire thing with Franken was when he was not a sitting senator. He was on a USO tour.
Post by: bflynn on December 08, 2017, 09:55:34 AM
... quite different from what someone did 40 years ago.
Correction - what someone is accused of doing 40 years ago. There is no proof and no way of proving it. It's not like there's a picture of Moore grabbing a girl's boobs.
credibly accused childShe makes an unproveable accusation against a man running for office during a politically charged time 40 years after the fact. Also, we KNOW there are people making similar accusations who are lying.
Curious, what would you have called non-credible?
Post by: Ron22 on December 08, 2017, 12:08:43 PM
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One of the women who accused Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore of making advances on her when she was a teen and he a local prosecutor admitted Friday to writing part of the yearbook inscription she offered as proof, a new crack in her story that gives Moore an opening to attack her credibility.
Post by: bflynn on December 08, 2017, 02:12:44 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 08, 2017, 02:40:20 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 08, 2017, 02:40:51 PM
Post by: LevelWing on December 09, 2017, 12:47:43 AM
It was faked? I'm shocked I tell you. shocked.Nothing was faked. Unless something new came out that I haven't seen, she said she wrote the date and location under the signature. That doesn't mean anything was faked or forged.
The bigger problem here is Gloria Allred. Also, this tweet from David French is true:
https://twitter.com/DavidAFrench/status/939192755074498560
Fox News also had to issue a correction after their misleading headline stated that she had admitted to forgetting the yearbook, which she did not.
Post by: bflynn on December 09, 2017, 04:41:30 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/08/roy-moore-accuser-admits-forged-part-yearbook-inscription-attributed-to-alabama-senate-candidate.html
She is a known liar. She maintained all along that he wrote the inscription.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 09, 2017, 05:17:21 AM
220k of our tax dollars
Post by: Lucifer on December 09, 2017, 06:10:42 AM
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2017/12/08/alcee-hastings-sexual-misconduct-settlement/
220k of our tax dollars
But Alcee Hastings is an icon!
Post by: Lucifer on December 09, 2017, 07:58:49 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/08/report-never-trump-ex-jeb-bush-staffer-admits-planting-anti-roy-moore-story-washington-post/
Post by: LevelWing on December 09, 2017, 02:58:54 PM
She admitted the fraud yesterday. I do not know what kind of denial,is going on in your brain now.Fox News had to issue a correction because she didn't forge anything. Writing something in the yearbook herself is not the same as forgery.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/08/roy-moore-accuser-admits-forged-part-yearbook-inscription-attributed-to-alabama-senate-candidate.html
She is a known liar. She maintained all along that he wrote the inscription.
Post by: Lucifer on December 09, 2017, 03:02:05 PM
Fox News had to issue a correction because she didn't forge anything. Writing something in the yearbook herself is not the same as forgery.
It was a misrepresentation. And Gloria Allred still refuses to have a handwriting expert to examine it. Even Roy Moore has said it needs to be analyzed.
Post by: bflynn on December 09, 2017, 04:55:15 PM
Fox News had to issue a correction because she didn't forge anything. Writing something in the yearbook herself is not the same as forgery.
Writing something a the yearbook herself and then presenting it as someone else's work is attempted forgery. If that is what she actually did, then the time to have said that was weeks ago. This just looks so much like her having to take time to think up the new lie. "Ummm...well, you see....ahhh.....yes, I wrote it down there so I would always remember whose signature that was."
I call bullship.
Post by: LevelWing on December 10, 2017, 01:04:43 AM
Writing something a the yearbook herself and then presenting it as someone else's work is attempted forgery. If that is what she actually did, then the time to have said that was weeks ago. This just looks so much like her having to take time to think up the new lie. "Ummm...well, you see....ahhh.....yes, I wrote it down there so I would always remember whose signature that was."Admitting to writing something below the signature, but not the signature itself, does not make it a forgery. She absolutely should have revealed that when she had her original press conference. If she had did it then, this wouldn't be a big deal now. But go back and re-read that tweet from David French since it applies.
I call bullship.
Her biggest problem was hiring Gloria Allred in the first place.
Post by: Lucifer on December 15, 2017, 12:14:37 PM
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A well-known women’s rights lawyer sought to arrange compensation from donors and tabloid media outlets for women who made or considered making sexual misconduct allegations against Donald Trump during the final months of the 2016 presidential race, according to documents and interviews.
California lawyer Lisa Bloom’s efforts included offering to sell alleged victims’ stories to TV outlets in return for a commission for herself, arranging a donor to pay off one Trump accuser’s mortgage and attempting to secure a six-figure payment for another woman who ultimately declined to come forward after being offered as much as $750,000, the clients told The Hill.
Post by: Lucifer on December 15, 2017, 12:19:51 PM
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Andrea Ramsey, a Democratic candidate for Congress, will drop out of the race after the Kansas City Star asked her about accusations in a 2005 lawsuit that she sexually harassed and retaliated against a male subordinate who said he had rejected her advances.
Multiple sources with knowledge of the case told The Star that the man reached a settlement with LabOne, the company where Ramsey was executive vice president of human resources. Court documents show that the man, Gary Funkhouser, and LabOne agreed to dismiss the case permanently after mediation in 2006.
Ramsey, a 56-year-old retired business executive from Leawood, was one of the Democratic candidates vying to challenge Republican Rep. Kevin Yoder in 2018 in Kansas’ 3rd District.