PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: invflatspin on May 08, 2018, 01:52:27 PM
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It was never a treaty, just a 'phone and pen' agreement. So far, it's cost the US treasury more than $160 billion. All those in favor of keeping it, get your checkbook out, reimburse the treasury for the $160 billion, and I will reconsider(not very long, I don't care if the Iranians build a bomb). If it goes off anywhere outside of muslim controlled territory, Iran will cease to exist as a nation within a matter of hours.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/08/trump-vows-to-withdraw-from-iran-nuclear-agreement-calls-pact-defective-at-its-core.html
Another campaign promise kept, just a bit late.
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Cue the insane progressives and media cliaming that, "People are going to DIE because of this!!!"
At teh head of the pack will be maxine waters and frederika wilson, the two most racist, commies in congress.
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I'm all for having dialogue with anyone, including the Iranians. I'm just not interested in paying for them to be nice. If the EU, or the UK, or the rest of the world writes checks, we'll all sit down and have a powwow. Just not on our dime.
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Liberal/Progressives the world over are crying real tears today because of the successes of Trump. A big EFFF YOU to them all.
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So we pulled out of a deal that Iran never signed. Why didn't Obama make it a treaty and go to Congress with it for approval.
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So we pulled out of a deal that Iran never signed. Why didn't Obama make it a treaty and go to Congress with it for approval.
With all the hand wringing general lying by congressional democrats and other kinds of communists, you would think President Trump just took it on himself to give away free birth control to lazy sluts without congressional approval.
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Obviously they won the language battle. You called it a deal.
They didn't sign it
They weren't abiding by it
It wasn't binding at all under US law.
It wasn't a deal at all, it was a surrender.
We gave them a lot of money..which, BTW, how did BHO get authorization to spend that money w/o Congressional approval?...and they thumbed their nose at us.
History question - Do you know who the first country to do this to the US was?
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Obviously they won the language battle. You called it a deal.
They didn't sign it
They weren't abiding by it
It wasn't binding at all under US law.
It wasn't a deal at all, it was a surrender.
We gave them a lot of money..which, BTW, how did BHO get authorization to spend that money w/o Congressional approval?...and they thumbed their nose at us.
History question - Do you know who the first country to do this to the US was?
Without defending any part of the "deal", it was their money that we gave them back. But it still made for a bad deal for us.
As far as the first country to do this to us, I am thinking it had something to do with the the Ottomans and the Barbary pirates. Every Country that plied the open seas paid them to prevent being attacked. So did we until Thomas Jefferson bucked the trend and stood up and said "we ain't going to take it any more". And the phrase "from the hall's of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli" was born.
Reminds me of something Trump would do!
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It wasn't a deal, it was submission. Whoever's money it was, it was tribute.
200 years later and we still haven't learned how to deal with the barbarians.
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Without defending any part of the "deal", it was their money that we gave them back. But it still made for a bad deal for us.
This is a matter of interpretation. Yes, the Iranian assets held in the US originated in Iran. However, going all the way back to the Reagan admin, the assets were seized as a result of the taking of the Amer hostages during Carter's term. Originally, the assets were to be returned once the prisoners were released, but Reagan decided that the Iranians didn't suffer enough so he made new exec order to keep it. The Iranians fought that, and were on the cusp of winning the court case(after many years) when BO relented and returned the assets that were seized. Technically, since the assets were seized property, that's how BO could get his hands on it. Was not really a treasury outlay of cash requiring congress approval.
Whether the assets seized were a legitimate form of punishment was going to be decided in a NY fed court. The appearance was, by all indications of the judge that Iran was going to win the case. It is one of the little dirty secrets that BO took advantage of when he was casting about for any kind of foreign policy 'win' before he left office with a history of wreckage in diplomacy behind him. Benghazi, Russian nuclear material sale, 'line in the sand' Syria, meddling in Israeli elections, ISIS, support for dictator in Venezuela, and more were the legacy that BO was carrying. Kerry tried and failed to make the Iran negotiations a success. As Trump accurately said; 'the deal was rotten at its core'.
There was no way it was ever going to get near the Senate by mid-2015, and rather than a stinging rebuke from them, BO just decided to have a fancy signature party, and lots of pics with EU goobers. As I said, if the EU and Russia and China want to give Iran more money, they are free to do so, and we'll sit down and chat with them again. But no more bucks. And if Iran makes one move toward Israel I'm confident that Trump will punish them not with economic sanctions but with real, iron heavy weapons fire. He hates Iran, and makes no bones about it.
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I think Israel just violently disagreed with BHO.
Iran has to be furious that we would dare to surrender and then not follow what they demand.
The first time we did this it only took 10 Marines to march to the Shores of Tripoli and stop the Islamic piracy. I think taking an Iranian naval base in the Persian Gulf should work?
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Iran is like the Norks. Their 'friends' in Syria have to stop helping them misbehave on the world stage.
Israel is not led by a pussy like obama and they won't pretend that diplomacy works with psychotic muslims.
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