PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: LevelWing on June 18, 2018, 09:09:25 AM
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A National Review article about the separating of kids from their families at the border. The Democrats think they have a public relations win with this one but it's important to note that the Obama administration also did this, though that's being downplayed in the media.
The Trump administration isn’t changing the rules that pertain to separating an adult from the child. Those remain the same. Separation happens only if officials find that the adult is falsely claiming to be the child’s parent, or is a threat to the child, or is put into criminal proceedings.
It’s the last that is operative here. The past practice had been to give a free pass to an adult who is part of a family unit. The new Trump policy is to prosecute all adults. The idea is to send a signal that we are serious about our laws and to create a deterrent against re-entry. (Illegal entry is a misdemeanor, illegal re-entry a felony.)
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/
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Grasping at straws, a desperate attempt to find something, anything, that can be used in the mid terms.
They have no message, no plans, no leadership, therefore they need an "issue" to try to get votes. Except their "issues" were actually carried out under the previous president or created by him (such as DACA).
The democrats, along with the republicans can put a stop to the current immigration laws by passing new ones. The President and his administration are following the laws as written, the same laws that were voted for by the same democrats who now oppose them.
Let's be real, the dems and establishment republicans have no desire to fix or change immigration. They just want to complain about it when the laws are carried out. Take your kids with you when you go commit a crime and guess, just guess what will happen when you are apprehended?
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As I remember it, recently jogged to my memory there was a fed case in 1998 that ruled minors could no longer reside in custody with their illegal alien parents because they had not had due process. Then, the law was changed in 2001 to start separating kids from parents in custody. It was during the Clinton admin, and he and Bush, and Obama have been ok with it for the past 17-ish years.
Not that I'm defending it, just that the hypocrisy of calling it' Trumps policy is rather a huge lie.
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The horror! The outrage!!!
Finally, pictures of the "concentration camps" at the border!!!!
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/
Oh wait, these pics were taken in 2014 while BHO was president.
Isn't it odd that back then the cryin' liberals didn't even give a crap about this?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=32&v=dwTmN2wbJ0A
It's 8 am(somewhere), time for some Dem hypocrisy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=32&v=dwTmN2wbJ0A
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The "Crisis of the Week" as brought to everyone by the mouth foaming liberals by their propaganda arm (MSM) actually has a deeper purpose.
Remember, what everyone is supposedly seeing take place at the border (I say supposedly because the MSM is deliberately twisting reality) has actually been taking place since the progressive lord and savior BHO occupied the WH.
But last week the IG report came out that shows the upper ranks of the FBI actual tried to rig a presidential election and created fake investigations while at the same time fixed an investigation to absolve a presidential candidate from a series of felonies. In essence the FBI SES officials attempted a coup d'etat against a duly elected president.
Yesterday's congressional hearings should have been front page news and the cable news networks should be running 24/7 coverage of the FBI scandal, yet the progressives conjured up this fake outrage news story of little kids in concentration camps and MSNBC host crying on camera.
Like the old saying goes "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".............
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The "Crisis of the Week" as brought to everyone by the mouth foaming liberals by their propaganda arm (MSM) actually has a deeper purpose.
Remember, what everyone is supposedly seeing take place at the border (I say supposedly because the MSM is deliberately twisting reality) has actually been taking place since the progressive lord and savior BHO occupied the WH.
As with a lot of things, multiple things can be true at once. There is zero question that this was happening under the Obama administration and that's been proven. Trump is enforcing the laws on the books and yes, there are families being separated, for a variety of reasons, for varying time lengths depending on the situation. However, Obama having done it doesn't morally justify Trump doing it.
The solution, however, is for Congress to fix this. Nobody wants to see children separated from their families. The easiest way to fix this is for them to just not attempt to cross the border. But they are, and we should do something to help ensure families stay together. The current method of that, which is releasing them pending adjudication of their case, isn't a viable solution, in my opinion, because it's been documented that they tend to not show up and just disappear.
It's a legitimate problem that needs to be solved but the media suggesting that this is Trump doing this out of malice is silly.
But last week the IG report came out that shows the upper ranks of the FBI actual tried to rig a presidential election and created fake investigations while at the same time fixed an investigation to absolve a presidential candidate from a series of felonies. In essence the FBI SES officials attempted a coup d'etat against a duly elected president.
No. This is silly.
Yesterday's congressional hearings should have been front page news and the cable news networks should be running 24/7 coverage of the FBI scandal, yet the progressives conjured up this fake outrage news story of little kids in concentration camps and MSNBC host crying on camera.
Why not show coverage of both? Both are legitimate problems facing the country. Immigration isn't a new problem but it should be fixed. The problem is that the media is inaccurately portraying what's going on, but that shouldn't be a shock to anyone. At the same time they should be showing coverage of the Congressional hearings.
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As with a lot of things, multiple things can be true at once. There is zero question that this was happening under the Obama administration and that's been proven. Trump is enforcing the laws on the books and yes, there are families being separated, for a variety of reasons, for varying time lengths depending on the situation. However, Obama having done it doesn't morally justify Trump doing it.
Now, lets just look at what you wrote:
There is zero question that this was happening under the Obama administration and that's been proven. Trump is enforcing the laws on the books and yes, there are families being separated, for a variety of reasons, for varying time lengths depending on the situation.
Then you finish with this sentence:
However, Obama having done it doesn't morally justify Trump doing it.
Morally? Where in the law is the "moral" clause? This is a law that was passed under our constitution. Is there a "moral clause" hidden somewhere in the constitution?
The solution, however, is for Congress to fix this.
Correct. And the President keeps stating that and trying to get congress to act. Yet neither side wants to touch this and they are expecting it to be handled using an executive order. This way it's easier to put the blame back on Trump when it's politically convenient.
Nobody wants to see children separated from their families. The easiest way to fix this is for them to just not attempt to cross the border. But they are, and we should do something to help ensure families stay together.
Exactly. Just like a citizen within the US that commits a crime and is incarcerated, they too are separated from their families. Why are we attempting to give rights (non separation of family) to non citizens who commit crimes that our own citizens cannot obtain?
The current method of that, which is releasing them pending adjudication of their case, isn't a viable solution, in my opinion, because it's been documented that they tend to not show up and just disappear.
Yet our democrat friends and establishment republicans want that border open.
No. This is silly.
Right. Suggest you watch the testimony from the past couple of days and read the IG report.
Why not show coverage of both? Both are legitimate problems facing the country.
The current IG report and following testimony during congressional hearings deflates the whole "Russian Collusion" theory that the progressives are clinging to. It also shows, clearly, that HRC committed felonies and how the investigators carefully arranged it so she would not be charged.
The progressives and their media will not acknowledge this and the current immigration "outrage" being stoked is just to keep the media attention away from this and bury it. Fortunately there is more coming on the FBI/DoJ scandal and very possible that Rosenstein will be impeached and removed shortly, and Strzok wants to testify. This is far from over.
At the same time they should be showing coverage of the Congressional hearings.
See above. It doesn't fit their narrative.
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Nobody else was willing to do anything, so the President stepped in and used the authority he has to direct various agencies to keep families together...consistent with US Law. Everything that can be done must be done consistent with US law.
The presidential order also directs the Attorney General to ask a California based federal court to modify one of their orders so that children can be kept with their families. One of the barriers is actually a court order related to requirements on how children are processed.
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Sit back and watch.
This latest development will in no way satisfy the progressives.
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Law suits will now ensue since keeping them together will violate the consent decree from Reno v Flores. I don't expect the judge to modify the decree.
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Law suits will now ensue since keeping them together will violate the consent decree from Reno v Flores. I don't expect the judge to modify the decree.
Flores is not the real problem.
What do we do with the children when a judge rules they must not be separated from their parents, but the parents are going to prison?
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2018/06/20/obama-reminds-trump-its-world-refugee-day-n2492730
President Trump told Congress in an open meeting Wednesday that the problem at the border started long before he got to office. It was an issue during the Bush administration, and remained an issue during his predecessor President Obama's tenure.
Some Democratic lawmakers have admitted that the plight of undocumented immigrant children was kept "very quiet" during the Obama administration. Almost 70,000 unaccompanied minors were apprehended at the border in 2014. Images showed some of the children being kept in cages at detention centers. An immigration lawyer, R. Andrew Free, even said this week that the policy currently being derided as cruel grew out of practices under Obama.
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The ugly guy on msnbc maddow, was crying crocodile tears in another media staged attempt to attack Trump.
Fuck-you schumer admits refusing to work on an immigration solution to the make believe crisis of the week and the media hushes it up.
The hordes of morons who run out to do the progressives bidding everytime they decide another crisis is brewing ratchet up the calls for violence against the president and his family.
Yep. It’s another average day in mentally ill liberal land.
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The ugly guy on msnbc maddow, was crying crocodile tears in another media staged attempt to attack Trump.
Fuck-you schumer admits refusing to work on an immigration solution to the make believe crisis of the week and the media hushes it up.
The hordes of morons who run out to do the progressives bidding everytime they decide another crisis is brewing ratchet up the calls for violence against the president and his family.
Yep. It’s another average day in mentally ill liberal land.
It's gotten so predictable now. The latest "crisis" was started with a fake picture of a child crying in a cage. The crying child was placed in a cage by a photographer, then he snapped the photo and placed it on social media and said this was at a detention center. Total fake.
Then the libtards were called to action by a very dishonest MSM who saw this story as the perfect cover for the real news of the FBI scandal which they are desperately trying to bury.
Also, notice everytime a hollyweird alt left progressive goes on a profanity laced social media threat against the President and his family, then the next day comes out with a sorry excuse of an "apology" we are expected to just let it go. But if a conservative comments about the actions of an alt left progressive (such a Laura Ingraham commenting on David Hogg) and even after she apologizes, then the calls for her to be shut down, boycotted and fired intensify.
Everyone needs to realize an important point in the "immigration crisis": The democrats do not want a fix or immigration reform.
The establishment republicans also are not interested in a fix. They want open borders, period.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2018/06/21/disturbing-details-about-immigration-detention-center-in-virginia-n2493010
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Pictures of Obama's separation of families.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities
The issue is one of law. Every day American children are separated from their families because a single or both dual parents are arrested. When people are arrested, we do not send children to jails.
I say create large tent cities on the border, with everyone having a view of Mexico...where they could be free. House families together and when the disposition of every member is determined, then move them out. Ah, but this takes money, so it is up to Congress to provide funds to do this, right? Or does Chuck Schumer think that the president can authorize spending with his presidential pen?
I am a moderate - a lot of people here have given be grief because I"m not "conservative" enough. But I am absolutely disgusted with the Left right now. A bunch of lying sacks of feces....
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Now, lets just look at what you wrote:
Then you finish with this sentence:
Morally? Where in the law is the "moral" clause? This is a law that was passed under our constitution. Is there a "moral clause" hidden somewhere in the constitution?
Our laws are based largely on Judeo-Christian teachings and philosophies, which include a set of moral codes that we live by. No, there's no specific mention of morality in the Constitution, but that doesn't mean that something is morally acceptable. But even if you remove the word "moral" from my statement, it doesn't change the fact that it's not acceptable to justify what Trump does because Obama did it as well. It also doesn't change the fact that this isn't a new problem and it's only being highlighted as another attack on Trump. Trump is making moves to correct the issue, agree with it or not. I still say it's up to Congress to fix this.
Correct. And the President keeps stating that and trying to get congress to act. Yet neither side wants to touch this and they are expecting it to be handled using an executive order. This way it's easier to put the blame back on Trump when it's politically convenient.
More specifically, it's Chuck Schumer who won't do anything with this.
Exactly. Just like a citizen within the US that commits a crime and is incarcerated, they too are separated from their families. Why are we attempting to give rights (non separation of family) to non citizens who commit crimes that our own citizens cannot obtain?
I think even you can agree that this is different. When a parent or parents are arrested children are put into the custody of Social Services or whatever the state agency is. In this case, children are with their families, often coming from a very long way from home.
Right. Suggest you watch the testimony from the past couple of days and read the IG report.
It's not a coup-d'etat. There's a couple of bad actors in the FBI and they're being investigated. That doesn't mean that everyone in the FBI is bad, or that the FBI itself is inherently bad. It means simply that there's a couple of bad actors in the FBI and now that it's come to light, it's being investigated. To suggest that it was an attempt at a coup-de'etat would suggest that there was a plan to overthrow a president and replace him with someone else. There is zero evidence of that.
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David French has an article out today at National Review discussing the Democrats not wanting to actually do anything about this.
You’d think so, but you’d be wrong. Yesterday, Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer said this:
“There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense,” Schumer told reporters. “Legislation is not the way to go here when it’s so easy for the president to sign it.”
What? I’m sorry, but this is absurd. One the one hand, we’re told that the president is a moral monster who can’t be trusted. On the other hand, we’re now also being told that the branch of government designed to check and even override the president shouldn’t play a part in ending bad policy?
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/democrats-family-separation-position/
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Our laws are based largely on Judeo-Christian teachings and philosophies, which include a set of moral codes that we live by. No, there's no specific mention of morality in the Constitution, but that doesn't mean that something is morally acceptable. But even if you remove the word "moral" from my statement, it doesn't change the fact that it's not acceptable to justify what Trump does because Obama did it as well.
That's just a bunch of mumbo jumbo double speak
It also doesn't change the fact that this isn't a new problem and it's only being highlighted as another attack on Trump. Trump is making moves to correct the issue, agree with it or not. I still say it's up to Congress to fix this.
I'll agree with that.
More specifically, it's Chuck Schumer who won't do anything with this.
I think even you can agree that this is different. When a parent or parents are arrested children are put into the custody of Social Services or whatever the state agency is. In this case, children are with their families, often coming from a very long way from home.
So? These people are not citizens, and they have entered against our laws. Again, why are we trying to give rights to non citizen criminals that we will not give to our own citizens who commit crimes?
It's not a coup-d'etat. There's a couple of bad actors in the FBI and they're being investigated. That doesn't mean that everyone in the FBI is bad, or that the FBI itself is inherently bad. It means simply that there's a couple of bad actors in the FBI and now that it's come to light, it's being investigated. To suggest that it was an attempt at a coup-de'etat would suggest that there was a plan to overthrow a president and replace him with someone else. There is zero evidence of that.
Apparently you haven't read the IG report or followed the hearings. A couple of bad actors? YGTBSM
The former AG, the current DAG, The former FBI Director, the former Assistant FBI Director, the former DNI, the former Director of the CIA, several SES level FBI and DoJ employees.
And I guess you missed the part where Lisa Page, in a text, mentioned that the POTUS (BHO) wanted to be kept abreast of what was going on.
Yea, nothing to see here........... ::)
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David French has an article out today at National Review discussing the Democrats not wanting to actually do anything about this.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/democrats-family-separation-position/
And the republicans? I mean after all, they only control the house, the senate and the WH.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/06/21/hey-liberal-media-canada-also-detains-migrant-children-and-separates-them-from-n2492814
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And the republicans? I mean after all, they only control the house, the senate and the WH.
That depends on your definition of "control". It would only be true if every Republican were required to vote in lock step. I would not want that.
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That depends on your definition of "control". It would only be true if every Republican were required to vote in lock step. I would not want that.
Hell, they can't agree on positions they previously supported and even voted for.
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That's just a bunch of mumbo jumbo double speak
Not really. I guess you disagree, but we, as a country, do have a set of morals are part of our fabric.
So? These people are not citizens, and they have entered against our laws. Again, why are we trying to give rights to non citizen criminals that we will not give to our own citizens who commit crimes?
There's a difference between trying to grant non-citizens rights and treating others humanely and with a little dignity. You are trying to make the two issues seem as if they are the same when they are not.
Apparently you haven't read the IG report or followed the hearings. A couple of bad actors? YGTBSM
The former AG, the current DAG, The former FBI Director, the former Assistant FBI Director, the former DNI, the former Director of the CIA, several SES level FBI and DoJ employees.
And I guess you missed the part where Lisa Page, in a text, mentioned that the POTUS (BHO) wanted to be kept abreast of what was going on.
Yea, nothing to see here........... ::)
I didn't say there was "nothing to see here". I said I didn't think it was a coup-de'etat, because it's not.
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Not really. I guess you disagree, but we, as a country, do have a set of morals are part of our fabric.
Nice dodge.
There's a difference between trying to grant non-citizens rights and treating others humanely and with a little dignity. You are trying to make the two issues seem as if they are the same when they are not.
WTF? OK, let's use your fucked up logic here. Joe Citizen decides to rob the local 7-11, and he decides to take his two kids with him. He gets busted after robbing the store, but demands "you are separating me from my family!" as the two kids are taken into protective custody.
Juan is from Guatemala and brings his two children with him to the US border and illegally enters the US, knowing full well he is breaking the law. He's apprehended and his two kids are taken into protective custody, and he yells "you are separating me from my family!"
Why does Juan, a non citizen who has committed a crime, get the right not to be separated from his children and the citizen (Joe) not be afforded that same right? Doesn't Joe deserve to be treated "humanely and with a little dignity"? Or do you only reserve that right for foreign criminals?
I didn't say there was "nothing to see here". I said I didn't think it was a coup-de'etat, because it's not.
You said :
There's a couple of bad actors in the FBI and they're being investigated. That doesn't mean that everyone in the FBI is bad, or that the FBI itself is inherently bad. It means simply that there's a couple of bad actors in the FBI and now that it's come to light, it's being investigated.
Couple implies "two". You are once again ignoring the high level officials that were behind this. And now we are learning of State Department officials being involved. As the onion peels back more and more is coming to light.
So what do you perceive the basis of all of this was for, what was their end goal in this scandal?
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I wonder how many kids we will be reuniting with their human traffickers and rapists when these “families” are being reunited?
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Nice dodge.
A dodge of what? You said it was "mumbo jumbo double speak". There's really not much to respond to with that other than what I did. We disagree and that's okay.
As for the rest, we just disagree. Every situation is different, including your hypothetical.
I haven't once said there's not a scandal but you just want to come at me because I won't say it's a coup-de'etat. I think that's hyperbole but you don't. Yet again, we disagree.
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I wonder how many kids we will be reuniting with their human traffickers and rapists when these “families” are being reunited?
Nazi!
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A dodge of what? You said it was "mumbo jumbo double speak". There's really not much to respond to with that other than what I did. We disagree and that's okay.
As for the rest, we just disagree. Every situation is different, including your hypothetical.
I haven't once said there's not a scandal but you just want to come at me because I won't say it's a coup-de'etat. I think that's hyperbole but you don't. Yet again, we disagree.
You mean like trying to shrug off the DoJ/FBI scandal as just a "couple of bad actors" (your words). Wouldn't you say that's "hyperbole" considering the number of individuals involved?
Hypocrite.
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I wonder how many kids we will be reuniting with their human traffickers and rapists when these “families” are being reunited?
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......................... (we're not suppose to mention that!)
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Good job Time.
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How DARE you introduce facts into this emotional bullshit?
You are obviously a heartless, racist, hater and should be executed for your thoughts!
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And now this idiot decides to try to get a photo op at a detention center under the guise of "giving toys to kids" and winds up in jail.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/maine-democratic-candidate-arrested-at-detention-center/
You gotta love this line:
“Zak is now a political prisoner of the Trump regime,”
And this is his "message" to win an election this fall.............
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The Media Propaganda Machine along with their handlers the Dems have been promoting these lies 24/7. It just makes them look like the liars they are. Maybe the Cartels shouldn't be using kids to deflect. Maybe parents shouldn't come here illegally. In other countries they would be much more severely punished.
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A very well reasoned discussion of the policy, and the faults of any other kind of alien immigration policy.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/26/immigration-trump-human-trafficking/
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K, so I read that. Should I believe the Daily Caller? Or Vox Day?
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/06/identity-politics-replacement-edition.html
It all sounds so reasonable. Where is Steingar to tell me I needn’t worry?
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As with all diatribes, I would guess the real answer is somewhere in the middle. What I see from each side is an argument without common origin. The right, conservatives want to follow historical standards, and maintain the status-quo based on our concept of a republic(nation of laws, written by men, but not subject to democratic sway, like mob rule). Where the left, liberal side wants to change those set standards with a 'peoples' movement, based on what a group or subgroup of citizens, and mix of non-citizens want, notwithstanding the current written, coded laws are on the books.
It's hard for me to relate to a peoples movement, when those people are trying to alter the systems and culture, and economy which I have helped to create, and see the benefit of that culture and economy for themselves. Mexico, and the central American nations were all colonies, just like the US. And, just like the US, one by one they threw off their colonial roots, declared independence, and struck out on their own national identity. Strangely, the Mexican govt is aligned much like ours. However, they have some strange leftovers from monarchy rule that are not present in the US, which rejected completely, and totally any kind of hereditary govt management.
I know things are tough in Mexico, and Guatemala. I'm sorry about that, but the solution is not for their downtrodden to seek economic gain by breaking into someone else's success story. For me, all the 'la raza' crap is just a bunch of populist cover for the poor to take the wealth and gains of the wealthy through state sanctioned socialism, or theft. It is by some means the same as goes on in Venezuela. There are hard working Mexicans, and central Americans in the US. Good for them, IF they came here legally, and try to assimilate to the unique plan of success that is the US. We don't want to be more like them, we don't want the programs, and social trappings of their failures back home. Come here - accept success, work hard, be like us, and forget about the past.
Finally, if one came here with their kids(or someone's kids) and that is upsetting that one is incarcerated apart from them, there is an instant, simple solution. Self deport, you will get your(or someone's) kids back, and off you all go, back where you live. WE didn't do that to your family, YOU did when you broke our law!
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I have never believed that the United States is exceptional because we threw off the trappings of Monarchy. I believe that we have been exceptional because the people of the United States have always had a "stricter" moral code. I suggest there is a direct relationship between morality and laws. When people regulate themselves by using morality, they do not need to be regulated by laws - for example, when a person is shown that his business is polluting a river and causing it to burn, a moral man will stop and change his business and no laws are needed. An immoral man will not change and will have to have regulation created to force his behavior...and to force everyone else's behavior. Our explosion of laws has been a reaction to the decline of personal responsibility (morality).
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I have never believed that the United States is exceptional because we threw off the trappings of Monarchy. I believe that we have been exceptional because the people of the United States have always had a "stricter" moral code. I suggest there is a direct relationship between morality and laws. When people regulate themselves by using morality, they do not need to be regulated by laws - for example, when a person is shown that his business is polluting a river and causing it to burn, a moral man will stop and change his business and no laws are needed. An immoral man will not change and will have to have regulation created to force his behavior...and to force everyone else's behavior. Our explosion of laws has been a reaction to the decline of personal responsibility (morality).
I said a version of this earlier in the thread and absolutely believe it.
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Our explosion of laws has been a reaction to the decline of personal responsibility (morality).
I totally agree. Why has our society become less moral, more harsh, and less polite? I blame th media, and entertainment industry, and certain elements of society.
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I totally agree. Why has our society become less moral, more harsh, and less polite? I blame th media, and entertainment industry, and certain elements of society.
Follow the money. Immorality, irrationality, and rudeness sells. Hell even Fox News trolls the lowest common denominator and spreads it on its 24-hour news cycle. Look at Fox News’ website. Except for a few top stories, the rest looks like the National Inquirer or TMZ.
I’m sick of it all, and have checked out of most of it. I watch at most 1-2 hours of Fox each week on Tucker Carlson’s show. Never on Friday, never on the weekend, and I whip through Tucker if it’s boring. I used to watch nearly 3 hours of Fox per night.
Same with ESPN and NFL football. I was good for at least 6 hours of football on a Sunday. Fortunately I’ve been able to fill up those six hours with flying, family and friends. I’m much better off for it.
I’m tired of being deemed stupid by the media and entertainment.