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Accident Review/Never Again (I hope..) / Re: Biz jet gear up landing
« on: September 21, 2022, 11:03:53 AM »
That must have been terrifying. Glad they all escaped the fire!
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Spin Zone / Re: PoA deleting announcement of new FlyersForum
« on: September 21, 2022, 10:58:45 AM »There was one mod who was visibly online around the time Peter's IP address was blocked. Doesn't prove anything of course. If Peter had gotten any sort of explanation it wouldn't be so bad looking.
Given what happened at PoA I privately contacted Brian over on thepilotsplace.com last night to ask if it would be Ok to announce our forum there. I got a long detailed response that I need to reply to sometime this afternoon but the bottom line is that such a post would not be welcome. Fair enough.
Over on purpleboard.net they are pretty cool with the announcement. But then I've been on that forum for years and physically met some of them, so that may be a factor. At one point a year or so ago there was rumblings of shutting purpleboard down due to low traffic. But it is otherwise a nice place due to its closed nature. But just not growing, due to what we think is its closed nature.
It would be something if PoA was successful in attracting membership because of its moderation policies and moderator actions, but the world doesn't always act the way I sometimes expect. Just have to see how the new forum works out.
I really need to go to the purple board more often. I don’t know why I don’t other than I just don’t have the link bookmarked and am not in the habit.
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Spin Zone / Re: PoA deleting announcement of new FlyersForum
« on: September 21, 2022, 10:56:46 AM »Back when I was an active participant in POA during its SZ days, moderation was more open, where mods would interject right on the forums. It seems like it’s become very much black ops, and not at all out in the open. Nothing good happens that way.
I’m telling you it changes, and always toward more restrictive. That’s the nature of power of any kind. We saw it in real time on the red board. In fact the PoA was created specifically as a reaction against the ever more draconian moderation on the red board. Now the PoA in turn is tightening up. Seems to be following the ever more restrictive speech in our culture in general too by the way.
They all do, not just forums. Give power over lots of people and it almost inevitably expands. Corporations do it, we all know what happens when a company gets big, and bigger, and congeals power in the home office. You start being treated like a cog in a machine. You are micromanaged. Required to comply with ever more rules. It never gets better, only worse.
The alternative social media platforms will in time do the same thing, as they grow and gain power via the market. All governments do it. Heck maybe one day our new Flyers Forum will do it if Peter and Jim ever need to hand over the reigns to somebody of lesser libertarian values.
It is a very rare individual who, when in power, loosens his grip on those under him rather than tightens it.
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Spin Zone / Re: PoA deleting announcement of new FlyersForum
« on: September 21, 2022, 10:32:24 AM »I don't think it's a defensible mod action.
I actually thought Peter was permanently banned from PoA. Maybe the mods did too, and they kicked baby and bathwater out at the same time?
I suspect the beechtalk post will be short-lived too, but that's a for-profit site so they would allow it for the $75/mo friendship fee.
I’ll have to get hubby to check it out when he gets back. I forgot his beechtalk pw.
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Spin Zone / Re: PoA deleting announcement of new FlyersForum
« on: September 21, 2022, 06:17:35 AM »
No doubt they clicked on it and probably read your “Advantages” post and got offended at the criticism of their centralized control method of moderation. Or maybe they have a problem with Jim or Peter, or me or Becky, since we were the only ones who had posted there up to that point. (Texas Tailwheel has made a post since.)
Centralized control in any human endeavor tends to lead to its demise. That was the fate of the AOPA forum. Back on the yellow board there was very little moderation of any kind and things got out of hand. But instead of implementing something like your user controlled moderation they went with centralized. After the switch to the red board it grew tighter, first confining “spin” type subjects to a subforum, then banning spin type topics altogether, and finally banning all subjects not aviation related. Now it doesn’t even exist. It seems PoA is also getting tighter in a somewhat different way. It still has good traffic but is that because it doesn’t have competition?
The same thing is beginning to happen with Twitter, YouTube and Facebook. Their centralized authoritarian censorship is causing the rise of other platforms and the migration of content to those more free platforms is resulting in the decline of the former ones.
The same applies to economics. Communism (centralized control of the economy) has failed everywhere it’s been tried. After mass starvation occurs, you end up allowing some capitalism (putting economic control back in the hands of the people) so you can survive as a country. But those who love power just can’t quite give it up so they retain cultural control in those countries and living under those regimes is miserable. That’s the core issue with centralized control of any kind; their proponents like power over others too much.
No control at all (anarchy) doesn’t work for the broad population. Society needs order. We saw that with the yellow board, things get too out of control. It works here because this forum is not public and so the group is limited and has settled into a stable dynamic. But of course any forum not publicly visible will stagnate. That’s why Jim and Peter created a new publicly visible forum. Their idea of putting control into the hands of the end user is to empower the individual. I thought everybody was for that. Maybe some only give it lip service.
Centralized control in any human endeavor tends to lead to its demise. That was the fate of the AOPA forum. Back on the yellow board there was very little moderation of any kind and things got out of hand. But instead of implementing something like your user controlled moderation they went with centralized. After the switch to the red board it grew tighter, first confining “spin” type subjects to a subforum, then banning spin type topics altogether, and finally banning all subjects not aviation related. Now it doesn’t even exist. It seems PoA is also getting tighter in a somewhat different way. It still has good traffic but is that because it doesn’t have competition?
The same thing is beginning to happen with Twitter, YouTube and Facebook. Their centralized authoritarian censorship is causing the rise of other platforms and the migration of content to those more free platforms is resulting in the decline of the former ones.
The same applies to economics. Communism (centralized control of the economy) has failed everywhere it’s been tried. After mass starvation occurs, you end up allowing some capitalism (putting economic control back in the hands of the people) so you can survive as a country. But those who love power just can’t quite give it up so they retain cultural control in those countries and living under those regimes is miserable. That’s the core issue with centralized control of any kind; their proponents like power over others too much.
No control at all (anarchy) doesn’t work for the broad population. Society needs order. We saw that with the yellow board, things get too out of control. It works here because this forum is not public and so the group is limited and has settled into a stable dynamic. But of course any forum not publicly visible will stagnate. That’s why Jim and Peter created a new publicly visible forum. Their idea of putting control into the hands of the end user is to empower the individual. I thought everybody was for that. Maybe some only give it lip service.
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Spin Zone / Re: PoA deleting announcement of new FlyersForum
« on: September 20, 2022, 05:57:59 PM »I suppose this shows the pettiness of some on the MC there. No answer from them yet on why. I suppose it may have just been a knee jerk reaction by someone on the MC. I have seen that previously.
I assume it is because they associate it with this forum, but they won’t tell you that. Unless they have a policy not to post links to ANY competing forum, it’s personal. Do they link to the Purple Board? Pilot’s Place?
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Accident Review/Never Again (I hope..) / Re: Biz jet gear up landing
« on: September 20, 2022, 05:16:01 PM »
Ouch. That sounds like, forgot to put the gear down. Don’t biz jets have some kind of alarm or something if the gear isn’t down and you are in landing configuration?
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Spin Zone / Re: PoA deleting announcement of new FlyersForum
« on: September 20, 2022, 05:13:22 PM »
Wow. What the hell is wrong with them?
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Spin Zone / Re: New open aviation forum - Flyers Forum
« on: September 20, 2022, 05:11:45 PM »
Are you going to make a similar announcement on the PoA? Don’t take the question as a suggestion that you should. Or shouldn’t.
Nevermind, I see Peter’s thread.
Nevermind, I see Peter’s thread.
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Spin Zone / Re: Cub/Boy Scouts-Anyone with recent experience?
« on: September 20, 2022, 03:12:09 PM »My son said they came to talk at his school and said they camping soon (which he loves) at the local scout camp and at the zoo in a few months. So that got his attention. Sort of pissed at the school for letting them talk to kids like that. Rather they would send the info home first and let the parents decide if they want to inform the kids about whata going on, especially for impressionable 5 year olds.
I agree, that would bother me too. It wouldn’t have 40 years ago, but these days of woke I would be wary of any organization brought in by the school to talk to my kid.
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Spin Zone / Re: Cub/Boy Scouts-Anyone with recent experience?
« on: September 20, 2022, 03:09:21 PM »Exactomundo. Guys are only interesting to girls because they’re mysterious and like different things than girls do. Same-same is the death knell to attraction. It’s why I can’t understand lesbianism.
Amen, sister.
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Spin Zone / Re: Cub/Boy Scouts-Anyone with recent experience?
« on: September 20, 2022, 03:07:54 PM »That's part of the scouting experience. You get to do guy stuff with other guys and learn how to be a Man. Boys act totally different around girls, so this can't happen now. Plus you just can't do or say the same things. It's a total cluster. Almost everything sucks now be of Leftists and their fucking ideas.
THIS^^^^ Even at age 5, but the age group mentioned in that article was 11 to 17. YGTBFSM. Right when guys are most awkward around girls. No, terrible idea. They need guy only time to build confidence in their masculinity before putting it all in front of females.
Similarly, girls do the same with their slumber parties and such. It’s part of growing up. And a continuing need throughout life, especially for men. Norah Vincent found that out when she went undercover as a man for 18 months and reported back her findings. Turns out men are actually nicer and more compassionate to each other in their friendships than women are, and these bonds are vitally important to their well being.
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Spin Zone / Re: Cub/Boy Scouts-Anyone with recent experience?
« on: September 20, 2022, 11:55:23 AM »Only if they are the current POTUS. I would question why an adult male would spend time around young girls without a reason. But I'm a cynical asshole by nature.
LOL!
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Spin Zone / Re: Cub/Boy Scouts-Anyone with recent experience?
« on: September 20, 2022, 10:57:37 AM »Yep. I could care less if you're gay. I do care why a gay man would choose to spend a lot of time around young boys, though.
Does that mean all straight men who choose to spend time around young girls are pedophiles?
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Spin Zone / Re: Cub/Boy Scouts-Anyone with recent experience?
« on: September 20, 2022, 10:54:58 AM »https://nypost.com/2019/02/01/boy-scouts-will-allow-girls-for-first-time-in-109-years/
Oh, and it’s now Scouts BSA, not Boy Scouts, because, you know, we all need to be inclusive.
Bonding of gender segregated groups is a normal and necessary part of social development. Apparently the post doesn’t mind articulating this fact wrt females - where is the male counterpart?
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“A big advantage of all-girl groups, at this age, is that their members don’t have to worry nearly as much about behaving so as to get approval from males,” says professor Robin Lakoff, an expert in gender at the University of California, Berkeley. “They learn to develop self-confidence and skills of all kinds, without worrying that boys will find them too bossy.”
Isn’t it equally important for boys to learn stuff together without worrying about girls being there?