PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on November 14, 2015, 06:36:15 AM
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ISIS bastards attack multiple locations in Paris. Over 150 dead, and more wounded, many seriously.
Salon runs series of tweets blaming American Conservatives, and when challenged doubles down.
College children proclaim that it's all because we don't love those murderous idiots enough, and Geraldo Rivera proclaims that ISIS cannot be contained, it must be destroyed.
President Obama changed his tune, slightly. After proclaiming earlier in the day that ISIS is not a threat and is "contained," he refuses to blame those responsible because it would be engaging in speculation, he makes a weak statement afterward in hopes everyone conveniently forgets his earlier stupidity.
Syrian Passport found on one of the attackers.
Witnesses say the attackers shouted "allah akbar" when murdering unarmed civilians.
Many terrorists died when belt bombs were exploded. No word on whether they committed suicide, or other terrorists blew them up to avoid their getting arrested and questioned.
Americans as well as French wounded.
I say this is an excellent opportunity to make many thousands of ISIS scum very dead.
What say you?
How should the US respond?
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NASA has failed in its mission to make Muslims feel good about themselves.
The liberal War on Civilization has opened the doors wide for the invasion of the obsessed Islamics.
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CNN dissed obama when a couple of the talking heads mentioned that obama said the ISIS was contained on the very day that the Paris attacks occurred.
Watch for the whitehouse and obama butt-kissers spin spin spin.
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I don't think we are yet sure if this was ISIS, but we can essentially be sure that it is one of the radical Islamic terrorist groups.
French President has locked down the country, and closed the borders. This is proper.
What say I? I say that we find those responsible for both executing and planning this, through thorough police and Interpol work, and very swiftly eliminate them. Don't make a spectacle out of it--that might martyr them, and encourage more to join their cause. In general, find all the terrorists we can, and liquidate them until there is nothing left but a website who's domain name is about to expire.
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I don't think we are yet sure if this was ISIS, but we can essentially be sure that it is one of the radical Islamic terrorist groups.
ISIS is proud to brag about their killing and promise more.
http://pamelageller.com/2015/11/islamic-state-isis-calls-attacks-first-of-the-storm.html/
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The pacifism displayed by Obama toward radical Islam is precisely what Europe has been doing for quite some time. It will be our downfall if the next president doesn't reverse course.
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Meanwhile the "D: candidates tripped all over each other last night telling us how we should absolutely take some 60k refugees into our country, only after they are thoroughly vetted. Just where does one go to thoroughly vet potential terrorists?
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Just where does one go to thoroughly vet potential terrorists?
Wherever we have The ISIS JV team contained.
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Obviously, the problem could be solved with more gun control laws even though France already has extremely harsh gun control/bans etc that law abiding citizens follow. However, even though the areas attacked by the terrorists were gun free zones, we need to penalize the law abiding even more to make ourselves feel better.
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I say this is an excellent opportunity to make many thousands of ISIS scum very dead.
What say you?
How should the US respond?
I say the US should respond the same way I have been saying for quite awhile now. We need to get out and stay out. Get our "boots on the ground" out and get our warplanes out. ISIS is an Arab problem an it needs an Arab solution. The Arabs will never step up if Uncle Sam keeps doing the work for them. If the French and the Russians want to play in the sandbox, let them have it.
Keep in mind, ISIS is an insane apocalyptic cult that wants all the armies of the world to join in the final conflict and turn the world into chaos. The more western countries get involved and kill people over there, the easier it is for ISIS to recruit new members. The more areas of the world are in chaos, the more territory ISIS can easily capture. They do attacks like the one in Paris exactly so that the French will send troops to the Middle East. When they do that, the Muslims inside France will rise against them. The hope is to set France into chaos.
The real and lasting solution to ISIS is for the West (and Russia too) to get out of the way, let the Arab nations over there organize, assemble a coalition army and destroy ISIS the good old fashion way of street by street fighting. They will never do this until we go away. As soon as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon, the rest of Iraq and the rest of Syria and others feel exposed and threatened by ISIS, they will act in their own self interest and do this miserable cult in.
It is important that non Arab countries, non Muslim countries, Israel and Iran stay out of this. Participation by non Arabs only fuels the ISIS fire.
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I say this is an excellent opportunity to make many thousands of ISIS scum very dead.
What say you?
How should the US respond?
I say the US should respond the same way I have been saying for quite awhile now. We need to get out and stay out. Get our "boots on the ground" out and get our warplanes out. ISIS is an Arab problem an it needs an Arab solution. The Arabs will never step up if Uncle Sam keeps doing the work for them. If the French and the Russians want to play in the sandbox, let them have it.
Keep in mind, ISIS is an insane apocalyptic cult that wants all the armies of the world to join in the final conflict and turn the world into chaos. The more western countries get involved and kill people over there, the easier it is for ISIS to recruit new members. The more areas of the world are in chaos, the more territory ISIS can easily capture. They do attacks like the one in Paris exactly so that the French will send troops to the Middle East. When they do that, the Muslims inside France will rise against them. The hope is to set France into chaos.
The real and lasting solution to ISIS is for the West (and Russia too) to get out of the way, let the Arab nations over there organize, assemble a coalition army and destroy ISIS the good old fashion way of street by street fighting. They will never do this until we go away. As soon as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon, the rest of Iraq and the rest of Syria and others feel exposed and threatened by ISIS, they will act in their own self interest and do this miserable cult in.
It is important that non Arab countries, non Muslim countries, Israel and Iran stay out of this. Participation by non Arabs only fuels the ISIS fire.
What do you think France should do (or what do you think of what France did this weekend) after they were attacked by ISIS?
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I say the US should respond the same way I have been saying for quite awhile now. We need to get out and stay out.
Except we kinda need the oil. Look at other areas of the world where there is violence, do we do anything? No, there are no interests to protect.
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Except we kinda need the oil. Look at other areas of the world where there is violence, do we do anything? No, there are no interests to protect.
We wounldn't need the oil if we were allowed to use our vast domestic energy resources. Sadly the environmental lobby has control of the Obama admin, and that won't happen until they are gone, and replaced by a conservative.
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I say this is an excellent opportunity to make many thousands of ISIS scum very dead.
What say you?
How should the US respond?
It is important that non Arab countries, non Muslim countries, Israel and Iran stay out of this. Participation by non Arabs only fuels the ISIS fire.
What do you think France should do (or what do you think of what France did this weekend) after they were attacked by ISIS?
I believe France needs to kill a butt load of ISIS terrorists in their homeland, kill a bunch more secreted in France and keep killing them until they are no longer any threat, instead of the lie Obama told on Friday.
As long as ISIS is willing to operate outside the middle east, they need to be shot where they congregate until they stop. France is doing what they should be doing, protecting their citizens in ways the muslin-in-chief is unwilling to do.
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Except we kinda need the oil. Look at other areas of the world where there is violence, do we do anything? No, there are no interests to protect.
We wounldn't need the oil if we were allowed to use our vast domestic energy resources. Sadly the environmental lobby has control of the Obama admin, and that won't happen until they are gone, and replaced by a conservative.
I've always been of (the wild assed) opinion that we are purposely paying to use their oil first, as we have the economic means to do so. When they run dry, then we tap our reserves. At least, if I had enough money to do such a thing I might want to hoard my reserves will burning through others. Like I said, WAO.
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I've always been of (the wild assed) opinion that we are purposely paying to use their oil first, as we have the economic means to do so. When they run dry, then we tap our reserves. At least, if I had enough money to do such a thing I might want to hoard my reserves will burning through others. Like I said, WAO.
If you by the theory that we will run out that is a good plan. The problem is we have to believe the same "scientist" that tell us about climate change,
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”Normal Muslims” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYAcLudBbhg)
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Oh boy. I feel so much better now. :-X
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What do you think France should do (or what do you think of what France did this weekend) after they were attacked by ISIS?
What I'd like to see France do is just what I have suggested. Stay out of the Middle East. They should hunt down and prosecute all the responsible criminals they can find in their country, All ISIS members in their country and ask for extradition for all those they know in other countries. I think they should control their borders and monitor who goes where more closely. As it is now, you can take a bus from Paris to Turkey, get off that bus and walk to Syria, then reverse the trip and return. Lots of home grown French Islamist terrorists have done this for training.
Of course, the French public will want their pound of flesh and will be screaming for attacks on ISIS in Iraq and Syria. They have plenty of "Bomb the fuckers to hell!" types there too. I can't blame them for the desire to do so and I fully understand and sympathize with their decision to go on some enhanced bombing campaign, but it is the wrong thing to do. The idea that an enemy state can be defeated with aerial bombardment has been proven over and over again to be ineffective and a waste of time and money.
Now, France could formally declare war on ISIL and prepare a proper ground invasion of Syria and Iraq and it would be well within their rights to do so, but this too would only fan the fires of hate in the Muslim world. As we have seen with Al Qaeda and the Taliban, you can push these groups off a particular lands, but they will just reconstitute elsewhere and eventually return once you leave. For these reasons I believe that proper retaking of Iraq and Syria by France, the US, Russia, or any other non Muslim, non Arab state to be a big mistake.
ISIS must be defeated by Arab Muslim countries only and I believe that if we get out of the way, the surrounding countries will be exposed and they will organize in their own interest for survival. Collectively they have plenty of soldiers, equipment and money to do ISIS in, they just lack the political will to do so. As long as ISIS only attacks the West, they are ambivalent about them, but the truth is ISIS would like nothing more than to expand into Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey and all around the Middle East. The Arabs won't really fight unless they feel threatened, but with the West covering for them, they just don't feel threatened.