PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: bflynn on February 04, 2022, 05:11:54 AM
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At the risk of being labeled a leftist, pinko, commie faggot, I’m using Fox as a source. I heard about this yesterday and surprised nobody here picked it up
https://www.foxnews.com/media/johns-hopkins-university-study-lockdowns-media-blackout
Some interesting things going on opinion the numbers. In total, lockdowns prevented an average of just 0.2% of deaths overall, while reaking havoc economically, socially, and on mental and physical health. A hidden result, the call out that shutting down non essential businesses like nightclubs and bars was a 10.6% “save”, so that may have been the single thing that pulled the average into the positive.
Many people were opposed to lockdowns on the basis of freedom, but now there is proof based in science too.
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Science is SO racist...
Just like national parks, mathematics, history, winning, only two genders,
high paying jobs, education, nice restaurants, Christmas, marriage, girls sports,
boy scouts, protecting children from pedophiles like joe biden, republicans,
people abusing the elderly like jill biden...
single family homes, family gatherings...
happiness, success, hard work, learning, paying for things you want, instead
of stealing them...
you know...
everything is racist if a moronic, racist, asshole, liberal says so.
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I did see that and thought about posting it but I’m really busy. I saw it on something other than Fox. I thought it was aljazeera but can’t find it now. Snopes is already debunking it so pretty sure it is legit.
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I did see that and thought about posting it but I’m really busy. I saw it on something other than Fox. I thought it was aljazeera but can’t find it now. Snopes is already debunking it so pretty sure it is legit.
It was a pre-print (not peer reviewed) and is being challenged on that point.
There are also a lot of holes in the methodology used. Personally, I can't imagine that such a statistic could be scientifically derived with so many unknowns in the formula.
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It was a pre-print (not peer reviewed) and is being challenged on that point.
There are also a lot of holes in the methodology used. Personally, I can't imagine that such a statistic could be scientifically derived with so many unknowns in the formula.
But that’s no reason not to do it. There are things that cannot be studied scientifically, as in double blind placebo controlled etc etc. but we do the best we can trying to analyze the real world. Exercise is the perfect example. Snopes ought to debunk all studies suggesting exercise improves your health because it’s not possible to do a prospective placebo controlled study. So Snopes can go fuck themselves. They basically said, “conservatives said this, therefore it’s wrong.”
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But that’s no reason not to do it. There are things that cannot be studied scientifically, as in double blind placebo controlled etc etc. but we do the best we can trying to analyze the real world. Exercise is the perfect example. Snopes ought to debunk all studies suggesting exercise improves your health because it’s not possible to do a prospective placebo controlled study. So Snopes can go fuck themselves. They basically said, “conservatives said this, therefore it’s wrong.”
You misunderstood. Or more likely, I was unclear.
I wasn't complaining about the study. If anything, I think they underestimated the number of deaths caused by the devastating lock downs.I was just giving my thoughts as to what/why the idiots are going to be trashing the report.
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I wonder if those people looking to trash the report will consider the same arguments for studies (if any) that claim to show the benefits of lockdowns or home-made masks...
iow - sauce for the goose...
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You misunderstood. Or more likely, I was unclear.
I wasn't complaining about the study. If anything, I think they underestimated the number of deaths caused by the devastating lock downs.I was just giving my thoughts as to what/why the idiots are going to be trashing the report.
No, I was agreeing with you. I think I was the one who worded it unclearly. You are perfectly correct that there are so many unknowns and uncontrolled factors that it’s impossible to do an actual scientifically controlled study. I got that you weren’t criticizing the study.
And Bob makes the good point that if you’re going to go around criticizing pre-prints before they are peer reviewed you ought to do it consistently but we all know the massive bias of so called “journalism” these days.
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I did see that and thought about posting it but I’m really busy. I saw it on something other than Fox. I thought it was aljazeera but can’t find it now. Snopes is already debunking it so pretty sure it is legit.
I saw it on the Daily Caller, which links straight to the study, so we can make an assessment ourselves.
I’ll bet bflynn’ mind is being blown by now that we all aren’t sitting around watching FoxNews like in that scene in A Clockwork Orange.
Johns Hopkins Study: Lockdowns Had ‘Little To No Effect On COVID-19 Mortality’ But Had ‘Devastating’ Effects On Society
https://www.dailywire.com/news/johns-hopkins-study-lockdowns-had-little-to-no-effect-on-covid-19-mortality-but-had-devastating-effects-on-society
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They know masks and lockdowns do absolutely nothing. It's a control, compliance mechanism to enable compliance and SUBMISSION to the Government/Corporate Alliance.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1489316251897942019 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1489316251897942019)
Especially good at the end where she nails the Superintendent.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1489316251897942019 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1489316251897942019)
Especially good at the end where she nails the Superintendent.
Wow, I got chills watching that brave woman.
I simply can’t believe that in 2022 we still have to fight oppressors for our God given freedom and liberties.
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There are also a lot of holes in the methodology used. Personally, I can't imagine that such a statistic could be scientifically derived with so many unknowns in the formula.
Nonsense. Haven't you see the MMGW science?
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Wow, I got chills watching that brave woman.
I simply can’t believe that in 2022 we still have to fight oppressors for our God given freedom and liberties.
I guess it never ends. A certain percentage of humans are psychopaths, narcissists, and Machiavellian predators. These tend to ascend to power and institutionalize their dark triad, also known as authoritarian regimes, which the present administration and their Democrat associates such as this school board now represents.
Actually it’s no longer the dark triad, but the dark tetrad. Subclinical sadism is a feature of these Democrat psychopaths. They actually enjoy subjecting the country to misery and destruction.
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I’ll bet bflynn’ mind is being blown by now that we all aren’t sitting around watching FoxNews like in that scene in A Clockwork Orange.
??? That’s bizarre. Why would you sit around watching Fox? I haven’t watched to for close to 5 years, since we cut the cord.
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Haven't you heard? Biden was never in favor of lockdowns.
“We’ve not been pro-lockdown; that has not been his agenda — most of the lockdowns actually happened under the previous President,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said during the daily briefing.
Psaki was asked by a reporter about a recent Johns Hopkins study that showed little to no public health benefit from lockdowns, but rather a significant social and economic toll on society.
“The president’s agenda, the president’s approach, has not been lockdowns,” Psaki said.
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Haven't you heard? Biden was never in favor of lockdowns.
Neither President initiated any lockdowns. Lockdowns were implemented by the various states. Mostly blue states.
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Neither President initiated any lockdowns. Lockdowns were implemented by the various states. Mostly blue states.
Negative, which is why Psaki’s statement is a blatant lie.
Biden’s OSHA implemented a vax mandate for federal employees, and federal contractors like my firm. That mandate was activated, under threat of massive fines by contractors who fail to comply.
Biden’s OSHA announced a plan for every employer in the US with more than 100 employees to have a vax mandate, or face massive fines.
Biden’s Justice Department argued FOR the federal mandates in the lower courts and the Supreme Court.
Ergo, Biden initiated mandates. He can’t run from that.
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sure, the clown occupying the whitehouse initiated mandates... but did not initiate any lockdowns.
mandate <> lockdown
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Neither President initiated any lockdowns.
Biden initiated mandates.
I didn't say Biden didn't fuck up every which way he could. But it was the States that initiated the lockdowns.
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I didn't say Biden didn't fuck up every which way he could. But it was the States that initiated the lockdowns.
Ah, yes. My mistake.
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Well the point is, it's the lunatic Democrats, all of them, states and cities and Biden, that are for all the authoritarian policies. Trump only went along with lockdown recommendation for 2 weeks to flatten the curve. He very fast recognized the economic damage being done to the economy and individuals and didn't support it very long. Biden and the Dems continue to support destructive and ineffective pandemic responses still after two fucking goddamn long years. They can't get enough of it because they are the Dark Tetrad: Psychopaths with sadistic traits. They LOVE hurting people and destroying the nation.
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Even Texas locked down. I think it was for 7 weeks.
Some asshole was telling our governor that 6 million Texans were going to die.
That f***tard needs to be taken out shot.
Our schools opened back up for in person learning in August of 2020. The schools shut down in March 2020 to May 2020. The county health director was going to all of the school board meetings and saying that in person learning was unhealthy and dangerous. The school board opened anyway. High school kids had to wear masks, all other kids did not have to.
I feel sorry for the kids that are still remote learning. It is child abuse.
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Georgia was shutdown only until April 20th when restaurants and other places.
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This article lists the states that did not order state-wide lockdowns:
https://ballotpedia.org/States_that_did_not_issue_stay-at-home_orders_in_response_to_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020 (https://ballotpedia.org/States_that_did_not_issue_stay-at-home_orders_in_response_to_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020)
First couple paragraphs (details of what each state actually did is described in the rest of the article):
"Seven states—Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming—did not issue orders directing residents to stay at home from nonessential activities in March and April 2020 in response to the coronavirus pandemic. The 43 other states all issued orders at the state level directing residents to stay at home except for essential activities and closing businesses that each state deemed nonessential.[1] Read more about those stay-at-home orders here.
Only one of the seven states that did not issue a stay-at-home order did not require any businesses to close: South Dakota. All seven states also closed schools to in-person instruction."
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Thank you Kristi Noem.
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"Professional and Home-Made Face Masks Reduce Exposure to Respiratory Infections among the General Population"
part of the summary:
"A recent analysis of the 1918 epidemic, noted that cities where strict interventions were implemented early on to prevent transmission, were overall worse-off than cities where some degree of transmission occurred early on [16]. Given the need for the population to acquire sufficient natural immunity over time, it can not be excluded that the amount of protection conferred by home made masks might sufficiently reduce viral exposure to impact on transmission during the early waves, while allowing people enough exposure to start mounting an efficient immune response..."
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Our state opened back up April 23, 2020. Thank God.
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I heard on the radio this AM that some study showed that natural immunity gives someone over 600 days of immunity to covid. I’m on the road so can’t look this up to confirm.
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I heard on the radio this AM that some study showed that natural immunity gives someone over 600 days of immunity to covid. I’m on the road so can’t look this up to confirm.
It must really gall the pro vaccine mandaters that natural immunity is so much better.
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It must really gall the pro vaccine mandaters that natural immunity is so much better.
Has Pope Tony blessed natural immunity?
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I heard on the radio this AM that some study showed that natural immunity gives someone over 600 days of immunity to covid. I’m on the road so can’t look this up to confirm.
which doesn't explain how someone could get multiple cases of covid.
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Has Pope Tony blessed natural immunity?
That must be a rhetorical question. Whatever Pope Tony has said, he’ll say something different next week.