Post by: Little Joe on September 18, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
In each case, the husband was a conservative professional and the wife was a liberal professional. Each wife was a feminist to some degree. None of the wives could get over Trumps "grab them by the pussy" comment, and just could not stand to live with anyone that would support such a man.
This is scary to me because my wife is a professional, a liberal, a feminist, and HATES Trump. But so far, we haven't allowed that to cause too many problems. (some to be sure, but we cool off).
Are any of you seeing anything like this in any of your circles?
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 18, 2018, 03:07:10 PM
Post by: jb1842 on September 18, 2018, 03:56:56 PM
Post by: invflatspin on September 18, 2018, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 18, 2018, 04:34:56 PM
When a marriage fails, it fails because of a serious foundational weakness. Trump may be the cause given, but you can bet that’s not the true cause.
Post by: Little Joe on September 18, 2018, 04:42:22 PM
I say it’s not Trump.You are probably right, and that is the logical answer.
When a marriage fails, it fails because of a serious foundational weakness. Trump may be the cause given, but you can bet that’s not the true cause.
But in this case, liberals are not showing any sort of logic.
In my own case, we have a strong foundation. We support each other in many ways. But when the topic of Trump comes up, she becomes another person. She absolutely refuses to discuss it. She gets mad if I even mention a statistic like minority employment improvements. She gets mad if I say anything negative about Hillary, even though she didn't like Hillary.
As I said, we have a strong foundation with mutual respect (except when it comes to Trump) and mutual support. But I can easily see how this divide could cause irreconcilable differences, especially if I didn't bend over backwards to accommodate her emotional reactions.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 18, 2018, 04:57:37 PM
Perhaps you could discuss issues, like preserving our freedoms, and keeping SCOTUS firmly in line with the Constitution, and keeping our borders strong.
Post by: Number7 on September 18, 2018, 05:47:13 PM
You’ve pinpointed it ... her response is emotion based and therefore immune to reason.
Perhaps you could discuss issues, like preserving our freedoms, and keeping SCOTUS firmly in line with the Constitution, and keeping our borders strong.
Those are things that modern liberals despise.
Post by: Little Joe on September 18, 2018, 05:58:55 PM
Those are things that modern liberals despise.Yep.
Post by: Steingar on September 18, 2018, 06:40:16 PM
We told the first that our nickname for his SO was Jabba, for enormously obvious reasons. He became vividly upset, asked how we could say such a thing, that it was horrible, and an absolutely venal insult to Jabba the Hut.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 18, 2018, 06:57:52 PM
Those are things that modern liberals despise.Still, they’re very real and SHOULD be discussed. It can be done pleasantly. “Do you think judges should legislate from the bench, or decide using the Constitution as a basis?” “What kind of border security would be adequate, in your opinion?”
Gently lead them to make their own statements, which require carrying a feeling to a thought, and then the thought out to its conclusion.
Post by: invflatspin on September 18, 2018, 09:22:00 PM
But when the topic of Trump comes up, she becomes another person. She absolutely refuses to discuss it. She gets mad if I even mention a statistic like minority employment improvements. She gets mad if I say anything negative about Hillary, even though she didn't like Hillary.
Listen, I don't want to be a noodge about this, but it sounds to me like the respect is pretty much one way. You respect your wife's position, although you don't agree with it, but she's pretty adamant that you aren't even allowed to bring up Trump good, Hillary bad.
But - you don't owe me any explanation, I just want to point out the stark positions between a conservative and a liberal. The question would remain if the gender roles were reversed, but the political positions were the same. She should respect your support and endorsement of Trump, and be able to separate familial harmony with political reality.
Post by: PropWash on September 18, 2018, 10:23:48 PM
Post by: Little Joe on September 19, 2018, 03:51:12 AM
Still, they’re very real and SHOULD be discussed. It can be done pleasantly. “Do you think judges should legislate from the bench, or decide using the Constitution as a basis?” “What kind of border security would be adequate, in your opinion?”That's the problem. They CAN'T be discussed.
Gently lead them to make their own statements, which require carrying a feeling to a thought, and then the thought out to its conclusion.
Post by: Number7 on September 19, 2018, 04:41:23 AM
That's the problem. They CAN'T be discussed.
The current situation when dealing with democrats is that they expect, demand and scream if they do receive tolerance of their views, no matter what. When it comes to a democrat tolerating other viewpoints, that is a fantasy in the minds of democrats.
Post by: Anthony on September 19, 2018, 05:36:42 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 19, 2018, 07:11:50 AM
But we can’t talk politics with her. Ever. Not a whisper. Sometimes she’ll make a comment about what she sees in the news (CNN and MSNBC all the way) but we have learned to just smile and say nothing.
How did we learn to say nothing? One fine and beautiful day on a walk, we responded with alternate views. We finished the walk by ourselves and when we returned home she had vanished into a room and closed the door. Later we managed to learn that she felt attacked and like we were saying she, and everyone who felt as she did, were stupid.
So, with this person, we stay silent on politics. The relationship is too wonderful in every other way to shun. I’m sure she thinks we’re sadly misinformed idiots, but it must be a little hard to maintain that considering our other qualifications in the intelligence department.
I’d love to see her, and others like her, gently but thoroughly red-pilled, but I’m not sure we are the ones to try and do it. A permanent rift could result.
Post by: Lucifer on September 19, 2018, 07:26:33 AM
Post by: Anthony on September 19, 2018, 07:33:42 AM
How did we learn to say nothing? One fine and beautiful day on a walk, we responded with alternate views. We finished the walk by ourselves and when we returned home she had vanished into a room and closed the door. Later we managed to learn that she felt attacked and like we were saying she, and everyone who felt as she did, were stupid.
That is sad, and disturbing.
Post by: jb1842 on September 19, 2018, 08:24:00 AM
That is sad, and disturbing.
That's the liberal way. Everybody is a victim.
Post by: Number7 on September 19, 2018, 12:03:06 PM
That's the liberal way. Everybody is a victim.
Nope.
Only liberals and those they seek to control and use to buy votes are victims.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 20, 2018, 07:21:46 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y8y-f2FE14
Post by: Number7 on September 20, 2018, 08:20:39 AM
Post by: Anthony on September 20, 2018, 08:25:02 AM
Bryan with a "Y" is bored again today.
I used my Totalitarian, Authoritarian moderator powers to remove his post. :)
Post by: invflatspin on September 20, 2018, 08:26:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhPbO7CoBF8
I have no idea on the divorce side, but my bet is that it was the left supporter who couldn't handle the other side, and not by the conservative.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 20, 2018, 10:18:04 AM
I used my Totalitarian, Authoritarian moderator powers to remove his post. :)
What was the problem with the removed post?
Post by: Anthony on September 20, 2018, 10:19:10 AM
What was the problem with the removed post?
It was that Shamalamadingdong crap.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 20, 2018, 10:29:08 AM
It was that Shamalamadingdong crap.
Thanks, dad, for protecting me from that crap. You and mom are the best parents I ever had!
Post by: Anthony on September 20, 2018, 10:40:11 AM
Thanks, dad, for protecting me from that crap. You and mom are the best parents I ever had!
Oh, you are very welcome. Glad I could be of assistance. But, here, knock yourself out if that is what you want!
http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=1602.msg28606#msg28606
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 20, 2018, 01:15:01 PM
Oh, you are very welcome. Glad I could be of assistance. But, here, knock yourself out if that is what you want!
http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=1602.msg28606#msg28606
No confidence in your judgement re moderation.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 20, 2018, 01:29:57 PM
Post by: invflatspin on September 20, 2018, 01:32:45 PM
Post by: Anthony on September 20, 2018, 02:41:32 PM
No confidence in your judgement re moderation.
So removing a Shamalamdingdong post gives you pause, or are their other problems you have with my judgment, and caused by what? Just curious.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 20, 2018, 03:16:28 PM
So removing a Shamalamdingdong post gives you pause, or are their other problems you have with my judgment, and caused by what? Just curious.
Removing any post substitutes your judgement in place of everyone else. How could it be otherwise? The removed post was presumably innocuous, based on the link you provided to an earlier post. As best I can tell, the reason you removed it was because you thought it redundant. But that is just a guess because you failed to provide a specific reason for the removal when I asked. What precisely is wrong with a Shamalamdingdong post? Can I help it if I see application of a rule I was unaware of and want to see a statement of the rule?
But you are free to do whatever you like, though. Private forum and all that.
Post by: Anthony on September 20, 2018, 03:32:33 PM
Removing any post substitutes your judgement in place of everyone else. How could it be otherwise? The removed post was presumably innocuous, based on the link you provided to an earlier post. As best I can tell, the reason you removed it was because you thought it redundant. But that is just a guess because you failed to provide a specific reason for the removal when I asked. What precisely is wrong with a Shamalamdingdong post? Can I help it if I see application of a rule I was unaware of and want to see a statement of the rule?
But you are free to do whatever you like, though. Private forum and all that.
So you like SPAM? Good for you.
Post by: Lucifer on September 20, 2018, 03:34:24 PM
Removing any post substitutes your judgement in place of everyone else. How could it be otherwise? The removed post was presumably innocuous, based on the link you provided to an earlier post. As best I can tell, the reason you removed it was because you thought it redundant. But that is just a guess because you failed to provide a specific reason for the removal when I asked. What precisely is wrong with a Shamalamdingdong post? Can I help it if I see application of a rule I was unaware of and want to see a statement of the rule?
But you are free to do whatever you like, though. Private forum and all that.
No confidence in your judgement.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 20, 2018, 03:54:20 PM
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2127615070591723&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6603441351821750210%3Amf_story_key.2127615070591723%3Atop_level_post_id.2127615070591723%3Atl_objid.2127615070591723%3Acontent_owner_id_new.100028273302201%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.131957011090075&__tn__=%2As%2As-R
Post by: Little Joe on September 20, 2018, 04:19:07 PM
So removing a Shamalamdingdong post gives you pause, or are their other problems you have with my judgment, and caused by what? Just curious.My guess is you are a white male. Therefore, your judgement is suspect, as are your values and opinions.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 20, 2018, 05:01:56 PM
I’m so confused.
Post by: invflatspin on September 20, 2018, 05:48:14 PM
So you like SPAM? Good for you.
Please don't be obtuse. It is,, off-putting.
'Removing any post substitutes your judgement in place of everyone else.'
However, if one or more folks here ask you to remove a post, that might be useful. Otherwise, best leave the trash along with these tasteful nuggets of forum gold. (hahaha).
Post by: Number7 on September 20, 2018, 06:18:38 PM
Des he post anything other than Otis?
Post by: Little Joe on September 20, 2018, 06:40:39 PM
We know Jim is a white male. If white males are toxic to each other, does it count?Jim seems to have this great capacity of seeing things from the minorities point of view. It almost seems like a guilt complex.
I’m so confused.
Post by: asechrest on September 20, 2018, 06:59:30 PM
A better idea than anointing a few with powers, which is contrary to the spirit in which this forum was created, might be to allow all members to vote a post into a hidden or "folded" status after a certain number of down votes. Said post could be unfolded by any person wishing to read what was in it. Or a user who wasn't a total snowflake pansy-ass who needed to be shielded from emotional harm could turn off all post hiding.
Post by: Anthony on September 20, 2018, 07:34:24 PM
Thought this was an unmoderated forum? ::)
A better idea than anointing a few with powers, which is contrary to the spirit in which this forum was created, might be to allow all members to vote a post into a hidden or "folded" status after a certain number of down votes. Said post could be unfolded by any person wishing to read what was in it. Or a user who wasn't a total snowflake pansy-ass who needed to be shielded from emotional harm could turn off all post hiding.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!! I am now all powerful, and you liberal sir, a meeger, yet still jealous serf! Oh, how I rule from above you! Unmoderated. We shall see!!! Dare I say it? I could rule the world.............
All Shamalamadingdongs BEWARE!!! Ha, ha, ha, ha!!! Now where is my white cat, Isis, to pet?
Post by: invflatspin on September 20, 2018, 07:45:15 PM
I tried.
Post by: asechrest on September 20, 2018, 08:40:59 PM
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!! I am now all powerful, and you liberal sir, a meeger, yet still jealous serf! Oh, how I rule from above you! Unmoderated. We shall see!!! Dare I say it? I could rule the world.............
All Shamalamadingdongs BEWARE!!! Ha, ha, ha, ha!!! Now where is my white cat, Isis, to pet?
Meager*
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 21, 2018, 10:54:20 AM
So you like SPAM? Good for you.
Fried spam between a couple slices of buttered bread - yum! Haven't had it in a decade or so.
Post by: Little Joe on September 21, 2018, 11:14:15 AM
Fried spam between a couple slices of buttered bread - yum! Haven't had it in a decade or so.I haven't had it for about 4 decades or more.
There is a reason for that.
Post by: nddons on September 26, 2018, 02:50:43 PM
Thought this was an unmoderated forum? ::)Nope. Not interested in protecting snowflakes.
A better idea than anointing a few with powers, which is contrary to the spirit in which this forum was created, might be to allow all members to vote a post into a hidden or "folded" status after a certain number of down votes. Said post could be unfolded by any person wishing to read what was in it. Or a user who wasn't a total snowflake pansy-ass who needed to be shielded from emotional harm could turn off all post hiding.
The only reason a few of us were made moderators (and that was based on post count only - step up your game and you can be a supreme commander of the galaxy too) was to more quickly intercept and delete porn or spam or bot traffic that pops up from time to time. I haven’t seen porn posts since the first year PS was around, so I’m sure our founder took care of that somehow. But we still get some spam or bot traffic on occasion.
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2018, 03:07:08 PM
Nope. Not interested in protecting snowflakes.
The only reason a few of us were made moderators (and that was based on post count only - step up your game and you can be a supreme commander of the galaxy too) was to more quickly intercept and delete porn or spam or bot traffic that pops up from time to time. I haven’t seen porn posts since the first year PS was around, so I’m sure our founder took care of that somehow. But we still get some spam or bot traffic on occasion.
But...but.....his “feelings”!
Post by: Little Joe on September 26, 2018, 03:13:48 PM
Nope. Not interested in protecting snowflakes.I don't think Asechrest was really advocating for the idea of voting down and removing certain posts. I think his point was that would be better than having an individual decide which posts to remove.
The only reason a few of us were made moderators (and that was based on post count only - step up your game and you can be a supreme commander of the galaxy too) was to more quickly intercept and delete porn or spam or bot traffic that pops up from time to time. I haven’t seen porn posts since the first year PS was around, so I’m sure our founder took care of that somehow. But we still get some spam or bot traffic on occasion.
Asechrest is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.
Post by: asechrest on September 26, 2018, 03:18:22 PM
Nope. Not interested in protecting snowflakes.
The only reason a few of us were made moderators (and that was based on post count only - step up your game and you can be a supreme commander of the galaxy too) was to more quickly intercept and delete porn or spam or bot traffic that pops up from time to time. I haven’t seen porn posts since the first year PS was around, so I’m sure our founder took care of that somehow. But we still get some spam or bot traffic on occasion.
No offense, but your moderator entitlement is coming out in your posts, as I'm not sure why you have the authority to "nope" a suggestion. Many of us participating here came over when it was founded. I registered same day as you, in fact, and before one, and way before another, of the moderators.
I have no interest in being a moderator, but if we're going to implement moderation, I can't think of a good reason to anoint a few, on a forum that was founded on UNmoderation, in lieu of a policy that would allow the group to decide what should and should not be suppressed (not deleted).
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2018, 03:24:33 PM
No offense, but your moderator entitlement is coming out in your posts, as I'm not sure why you have the authority to "nope" a suggestion. Many of us participating here came over when it was founded. I registered same day as you, in fact, and before one, and way before another, of the moderators.
I have no interest in being a moderator, but if we're going to implement moderation, I can't think of a good reason to anoint a few, on a forum that was founded on UNmoderation, in lieu of a policy that would allow the group to decide what should and should not be suppressed (not deleted).
You’ve been in constant butthurt over this moderation thing, even after it’s been explained over and over as to the purpose of it.
There has been no abuse of the moderation, it’s only purpose to get rid of spam and bot postings.
In other words, get the fuck over it.
Post by: asechrest on September 26, 2018, 03:29:21 PM
You’ve been in constant butthurt over this moderation thing, even after it’s been explained over and over as to the purpose of it.
There has been no abuse of the moderation, it’s only purpose to get rid of spam and bot postings.
In other words, get the fuck over it.
While I appreciate your request, I am disinclined to acquiesce to it.
The moderator cabal may have to get over complaints about moderation on a forum that AROSE out of complaints about moderation. I'm not the only one against it, but I am the most vocal.
Post by: nddons on September 26, 2018, 03:39:31 PM
No offense, but your moderator entitlement is coming out in your posts, as I'm not sure why you have the authority to "nope" a suggestion. Many of us participating here came over when it was founded. I registered same day as you, in fact, and before one, and way before another, of the moderators.“Moderator entitlement?” You’ve got to be fucking shitting me.
I have no interest in being a moderator, but if we're going to implement moderation, I can't think of a good reason to anoint a few, on a forum that was founded on UNmoderation, in lieu of a policy that would allow the group to decide what should and should not be suppressed (not deleted).
I said “Nope” because you want something done with folders, votes, and what not. I’m not willing to put any time into doing anything that requires any effort for this board, thus “nope.”
If you want this job, have at it. But don’t ask me to do something that you want done, and then say I’m “entitled” when I decline to do work for your suggestion.
The only ask of me by our founder was to delete porn, spam or bot posts. Thus endeth my “moderator entitlement.”
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2018, 03:42:24 PM
While I appreciate your request, I am disinclined to acquiesce to it.
The moderator cabal may have to get over complaints about moderation on a forum that AROSE out of complaints about moderation. I'm not the only one against it, but I am the most vocal.
You’re a fuckin butthurt pansy snowflake. Get over it.
Post by: nddons on September 26, 2018, 03:50:29 PM
While I appreciate your request, I am disinclined to acquiesce to it.Let me get this straight. Your panties are in a bunch because Anthony deleted one single stupid spam-like post from Bryan whatever his name is?
The moderator cabal may have to get over complaints about moderation on a forum that AROSE out of complaints about moderation. I'm not the only one against it, but I am the most vocal.
If there is a wider conspiracy being perpetrated by this “moderator cabal,” please advise us as to what exactly is causing your concern. If it’s one post, then fuck it. Honest to God.
Post by: invflatspin on September 26, 2018, 04:11:51 PM
Let me get this straight. Your panties are in a bunch because Anthony deleted one single stupid spam-like post from Bryan whatever his name is?
If there is a wider conspiracy being perpetrated by this “moderator cabal,” please advise us as to what exactly is causing your concern. If it’s one post, then fuck it. Honest to God.
Not sure about his panties, but here's where mine are riding up the crack. It is NOT that one stupid, or useless, or lacking in merit post was deleted. It is the fact or decision that one person has chosen to exert THEIR opinion of value or merit over those of the crowd, by moderating in an unmoderated forum. If WE wanted moderation we would certainly request it from one of those so 'enabled'. Alternately, we would leave here, and go where there is moderation.
Post by: invflatspin on September 26, 2018, 04:15:02 PM
The only ask of me by our founder was to delete porn, spam or bot posts. Thus endeth my “moderator entitlement.”
Was the offending post so moderated out of existence one if these categories? And, if yes - is there any leeway in what is or is not in the definition of such category(porn is rather obvious)?
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2018, 04:23:11 PM
Not sure about his panties, but here's where mine are riding up the crack. It is NOT that one stupid, or useless, or lacking in merit post was deleted. It is the fact or decision that one person has chosen to exert THEIR opinion of value or merit over those of the crowd, by moderating in an unmoderated forum. If WE wanted moderation we would certainly request it from one of those so 'enabled'. Alternately, we would leave here, and go where there is moderation.
That’s just fuckin’ stupid.
Post by: Little Joe on September 26, 2018, 04:31:05 PM
That’s just fuckin’ stupid.Excuse me, but "stupid" is having moderators on an unmoderated board.
But I might change my mind if I was offered a moderators powers.
Post by: Anthony on September 26, 2018, 04:40:43 PM
Invflatspin, I can see Jim getting on my case as he has another agenda, but to expend energy on the entire issue to this degree is a bit confusing.
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2018, 04:41:00 PM
Excuse me, but "stupid" is having moderators on an unmoderated board.
But I might change my mind if I was offered a moderators powers.
Then report my post. Tell them I violated the TOS and request I be banned
Post by: Little Joe on September 26, 2018, 05:02:00 PM
Then report my post. Tell them I violated the TOS and request I be bannedReport you to whom? The moderators?
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2018, 05:10:01 PM
Report you to whom? The moderators?
Sure.
BTW, I'm guilty of "moderation". Yes, yes I did it! Yep, I deleted several bot postings!
Perhaps I offended the bots. Maybe I should be banned for dissing bots.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 26, 2018, 05:15:57 PM
Jeez, this is still being discussed? There was another Shamalamadingdong post that I left alone, and will continue to do so. In other words. GET A LIFE.
Invflatspin, I can see Jim getting on my case as he has another agenda, but to expend energy on the entire issue to this degree is a bit confusing.
I’m not organized or bright enough to have an agenda.
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2018, 05:17:47 PM
I’m not organized or bright enough to have an agenda.
Damn, I agree with you!
Post by: asechrest on September 26, 2018, 07:56:36 PM
That’s just fuckin’ stupid.
Says you, Mari!
Post by: asechrest on September 26, 2018, 08:46:36 PM
This site arose out of disgust for the shutting down of our other "home" -- the UNmoderated Spin Zone on PoA -- and the heavy-handed, one-sided, bullshit moderation of the remainder of the site. I've been "here" since the beginning, and "there" for years prior. So have others here. Do take a look at some of the first threads (http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?board=3.2660) on this site. Oh look, here's one -
Absolutely! I felt it was important to keep this group together and those great conversations going. No moderators here. I think you are all grown up enough to handle yourselves! 8)
Emphasis mine.
Many of you constantly denigrate the moderators and moderation of the other site. And rightly so, I might add. So imagine our surprise, when three here are suddenly titled. No discussion, no announcement, no vote, no advanced indication of what would be moderated, or how, and by what metrics. It took another user saying "what the hell?" to even find out what happened.
It doesn't really matter if you "promise" to only moderate the spam and the porn. The appearance of it ain't good, and past promises are no guarantee of future performance, as PoA is our guide. There are some ways you could, at the very least, mitigate the appearance of it all, but I don't detect even a modicum of interest in doing so.
So that's where we're at.
Post by: nddons on September 26, 2018, 09:41:42 PM
Was the offending post so moderated out of existence one if these categories? And, if yes - is there any leeway in what is or is not in the definition of such category(porn is rather obvious)?I don’t know as I didn’t see it. We didn’t talk about it at out moderator retreat in Las Vegas. As for leeway, are we supposed to take a poll or something? I think we should trust our fellow members who happen to have been asked to moderate this thing to be adults and make the call. Jesus, this place doesn’t pay enough.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Post by: invflatspin on September 26, 2018, 09:53:57 PM
I don’t know as I didn’t see it. We didn’t talk about it at out moderator retreat in Las Vegas. As for leeway, are we supposed to take a poll or something? I think we should trust our fellow members who happen to have been asked to moderate this thing to be adults and make the call. Jesus, this place doesn’t pay enough.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Yeah, well - no. I'm not big on the 'you have to trust me I know what I'm doing'. I trusted to the owner of the purple board and I got screwed big time. This was to be unmoderated. I get that there's a need to keep us free of bots, and porn. I applaud and commend those who find and kill those types. Kudos for making my browsing more pleasurable, and less obtrusive. As for anything else - my only advice is keep your hands in your pockets unless or until there is some kind of huge outpouring of concern from us great unwashed masses.
Post by: nddons on September 26, 2018, 09:57:27 PM
Sure.Since you’re the guilty one, you need to set up a folder system into which you will deposit potential bot or spam posts. Then contact MIT and ask them to create an algorithm so that members of this board can vote on and weigh the strength of the bot (I.e. Russian, Chinese, or Norwegian, for example) and determine whether or not they are bothered by it.
BTW, I'm guilty of "moderation". Yes, yes I did it! Yep, I deleted several bot postings!
Perhaps I offended the bots. Maybe I should be banned for dissing bots.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Post by: nddons on September 26, 2018, 10:09:54 PM
It's pretty simple, folks.You were told what the reason was that we were asked, and how we were selected: by post count. Stop being so fucking sensitive.
This site arose out of disgust for the shutting down of our other "home" -- the UNmoderated Spin Zone on PoA -- and the heavy-handed, one-sided, bullshit moderation of the remainder of the site. I've been "here" since the beginning, and "there" for years prior. So have others here. Do take a look at some of the first threads (http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?board=3.2660) on this site. Oh look, here's one -
Emphasis mine.
Many of you constantly denigrate the moderators and moderation of the other site. And rightly so, I might add. So imagine our surprise, when three here are suddenly titled. No discussion, no announcement, no vote, no advanced indication of what would be moderated, or how, and by what metrics. It took another user saying "what the hell?" to even find out what happened.
It doesn't really matter if you "promise" to only moderate the spam and the porn. The appearance of it ain't good, and past promises are no guarantee of future performance, as PoA is our guide. There are some ways you could, at the very least, mitigate the appearance of it all, but I don't detect even a modicum of interest in doing so.
So that's where we're at.
Nothing has changed here.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Post by: invflatspin on September 26, 2018, 10:10:08 PM
(it had to be done)
Post by: nddons on September 26, 2018, 10:13:28 PM
Yeah, well - no. I'm not big on the 'you have to trust me I know what I'm doing'. I trusted to the owner of the purple board and I got screwed big time. This was to be unmoderated. I get that there's a need to keep us free of bots, and porn. I applaud and commend those who find and kill those types. Kudos for making my browsing more pleasurable, and less obtrusive. As for anything else - my only advice is keep your hands in your pockets unless or until there is some kind of huge outpouring of concern from us great unwashed masses.Thanks for the advice. We’ll memorialize it in bylaws and get it recorded in the county recorders office.
Or, we can all be fucking adults and grow up and realize nothing has changed.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Post by: invflatspin on September 26, 2018, 10:19:57 PM
Pretty sure I'm older than almost anyone here. If not, without revealing too much, I'm old enough to draw SS, which makes me a senior in anyone's book. So - telling me to grow up is not something that my balls care for, and frankly I'd like you to STFU about being adults, stop moderating, and apologize to asechrest who brought this up in the first place and whom I agree with.
Post by: Number7 on September 27, 2018, 03:42:37 AM
Because...
Because...
Oh, yeah.
Just because!
Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2018, 04:31:44 AM
It's pretty simple, folks.
This site arose out of disgust for the shutting down of our other "home" -- the UNmoderated Spin Zone on PoA -- and the heavy-handed, one-sided, bullshit moderation of the remainder of the site. I've been "here" since the beginning, and "there" for years prior. So have others here. Do take a look at some of the first threads (http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?board=3.2660) on this site. Oh look, here's one -
Emphasis mine.
Many of you constantly denigrate the moderators and moderation of the other site. And rightly so, I might add. So imagine our surprise, when three here are suddenly titled. No discussion, no announcement, no vote, no advanced indication of what would be moderated, or how, and by what metrics. It took another user saying "what the hell?" to even find out what happened.
It doesn't really matter if you "promise" to only moderate the spam and the porn. The appearance of it ain't good, and past promises are no guarantee of future performance, as PoA is our guide. There are some ways you could, at the very least, mitigate the appearance of it all, but I don't detect even a modicum of interest in doing so.
So that's where we're at.
There's a big difference in moderating between censoring political content because you disagree with it like on POA, and deleting BOT, and SPAM posts. Your using this entire issue to harp on what is NOT moderation, but administrative clean up.
Go change your TAMPON!
Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2018, 04:35:16 AM
I’m not organized or bright enough to have an agenda.
So it is a judgment, or character issue?
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 05:16:45 AM
Any time someone tells me I'm not being an adult, or I need to defer to someone who is more adult - my balls itch and I have to wonder, why is someone so concerned about everyone else conforming to the standards set by a - ahem, 'moderator'.
Pretty sure I'm older than almost anyone here. If not, without revealing too much, I'm old enough to draw SS, which makes me a senior in anyone's book. So - telling me to grow up is not something that my balls care for, and frankly I'd like you to STFU about being adults, stop moderating, and apologize to asechrest who brought this up in the first place and whom I agree with.
Bullshit.
Post by: Little Joe on September 27, 2018, 05:20:46 AM
Many of you constantly denigrate the moderators and moderation of the other site. And rightly so, I might add. So imagine our surprise, when three here are suddenly titled. No discussion, no announcement, no vote, no advanced indication of what would be moderated, or how, and by what metrics. It took another user saying "what the hell?" to even find out what happened.THIS!
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So that's where we're at.
I mentioned this in a different post a few minutes ago. Party of my angst is the way the whole moderation thing was sprung on us with no discussion, no notice and no parameters.
Damn. I'm getting really tired of having to agree with Asechrest. ;)
Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2018, 05:26:09 AM
THIS!
I mentioned this in a different post a few minutes ago. Party of my angst is the way the whole moderation thing was sprung on us with no discussion, no notice and no parameters.
Damn. I'm getting really tired of having to agree with Asechrest. ;)
And HOW has that affected ANY CONTENT?
Post by: Little Joe on September 27, 2018, 05:30:13 AM
And HOW has that affected ANY CONTENT?Again with the moderator attitude.
I don't really care if we have moderators. But it really really pisses me off when you guys think your are better than us and can shove this down our throat with no discussion.
That attitude is what has killed other boards and will kill this one. Not the moderation mind you, but the attitude.
Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2018, 05:37:56 AM
Again with the moderator attitude.
I don't really care if we have moderators. But it really really pisses me off when you guys think your are better than us and can shove this down our throat with no discussion.
That attitude is what has killed other boards and will kill this one. Not the moderation mind you, but the attitude.
Please identify a post or posts where I or any other "moderator" insinuated we were better, and who of US shoved this down anyone's throat.
What I think happened is a few people got their panties in a wad about having moderators at all even though no content but porn, spam, and bots were deleted. Again, please show me this "ATTITUDE" you claim occurs, other than in a humorous way.
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 05:41:27 AM
Again with the moderator attitude.
I don't really care if we have moderators. But it really really pisses me off when you guys think your are better than us and can shove this down our throat with no discussion.
That attitude is what has killed other boards and will kill this one. Not the moderation mind you, but the attitude.
This is getting surreal now. "Moderator attitude"? "Better than us"?
Post by: Number7 on September 27, 2018, 06:01:54 AM
Again with the moderator attitude.
I don't really care if we have moderators. But it really really pisses me off when you guys think your are better than us and can shove this down our throat with no discussion.
That attitude is what has killed other boards and will kill this one. Not the moderation mind you, but the attitude.
There is a prescription to help you though your pre-moderator angst.
It's called MIDOL. Maybe it will help you overcome your insecurity and uncontrollable need to be coddled and bottle fed.
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 06:30:00 AM
Please identify a post or posts where I or any other "moderator" insinuated we were better, and who of US shoved this down anyone's throat.
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"There is a prescription to help you though your pre-moderator angst.
It's called MIDOL. Maybe it will help you overcome your insecurity and uncontrollable need to be coddled and bottle fed."
"Or, we can all be fucking adults and grow up..."
We are grown up. I think everyone on this board is over 18. We don't need or want moderation of posts which are not bots or porn. The only one's whining about panties wadded, and being juvenile are some of the moderators.
Attacking the individual, and not discussing the issue at hand, because the moderator is being defensive. Easier to attack the person, than discuss the problem.
hmmmmmm
Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2018, 06:34:12 AM
"Or, we can all be fucking adults and grow up..."
We are grown up. I think everyone on this board is over 18. We don't need or want moderation of posts which are not bots or porn. The only one's whining about panties wadded, and being juvenile are some of the moderators.
Attacking the individual, and not discussing the issue at hand, because the moderator is being defensive. Easier to attack the person, than discuss the problem.
hmmmmmm
There has been NO moderation of posts that aren't bots, spam, or porn. Please point to a post that was modified, or deleted other than bots, spam, or porn?
The moderators didn't complain like little girls over a spam post being deleted. Look back to see who started this shit show with personal attacks.
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 06:36:27 AM
You asked for examples. Well here ya go. asechrest and I have been respectful, and posted content and discussed a moderator problem without resorting to insults. All the personal denigration and insults are directed from the Moderator(s).
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 06:37:37 AM
Please identify a post or posts where I or any other "moderator" insinuated we were better, and who of US shoved this down anyone's throat.
Moderator: "Go change your TAMPON!"
Need I continue?
Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2018, 06:38:59 AM
Moderator: "Your panties are in a bunch..."
You asked for examples. Well here ya go. asechrest and I have been respectful, and posted content and discussed a moderator problem without resorting to insults. All the personal denigration and insults are directed from the Moderator(s).
Go back to the original post where my "judgement" was questioned because I deleted one Shamalamadingdong post. They only other posts that were deleted by the owner of the site, or "moderators" were BOTS. That's what you are so worried about???
Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2018, 06:40:23 AM
Moderator: "Go change your TAMPON!"
Need I continue?
I call them like I see them. It is ridiculous the level of angst over a deleted Spam post to try to make some kind of silly point about moderation, where effectively THERE IS NONE.
Post by: Number7 on September 27, 2018, 06:41:37 AM
Moderator: "Go change your TAMPON!"
Need I continue?
NO. You don't need to continue to be a fucking, whiny, teenager, whose mother told him 'no.'
You can go back to being an adult instead of digging in your heels because everybody didn't drop what they were doing to accommodate your juvenile need for attention.
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 06:48:31 AM
Go back to the original post where my "judgement" was questioned because I deleted one Shamalamadingdong post. They only other posts that were deleted by the owner of the site, or "moderators" were BOTS. That's what you are so worried about???
Yes, I'm questioning the need for your "judgement" as to what is and is not a spam post over that of those of us who joined an unmoderated forum. Sadly, you can't see the issue is not about ONE shamalamading dong post, but is about exercise of your "judgement" in place of our own.
We don't want, need, or desire YOUR "judgement" as to the value of ANY non-bot, non-porn posts. That is what WE get to decide. It might be your "judgement" that some of my, or Steinegar, or asechrest posts are not within the bounds of your "judgement" as value, and fall into the spam content.
No one has answered my question from before as to what constitutes 'spam'. Maybe this post is spam according to the "judgement" of the moderator(s), maybe everything I write since arrival is spam according to the "judgement" of the moderator(s).
Where did the "dysfunctional infection" post go that is the source of my signature? I searched but can't find it? Was in considered in the "judgement" of the moderators to be spam? I thought it was insightful content, and rather useful in defining my moral(immoral) character. But it's gone, gone, gone - and one has to wonder if some "judgement" was exercised by the moderator(s) there.
hmmmmmm
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 06:51:10 AM
NO. You don't need to continue to be a fucking, whiny, teenager, whose mother told him 'no.'
You can go back to being an adult instead of digging in your heels because everybody didn't drop what they were doing to accommodate your juvenile need for attention.
Nice, double down on the 'grow up' with 'fucking whiny, teenager...'
I can see the moderators are being the adults we all knew they would be.
Triggered much?
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 06:55:26 AM
Yes, I'm questioning the need for your "judgement" as to what is and is not a spam post over that of those of us who joined an unmoderated forum. Sadly, you can't see the issue is not about ONE shamalamading dong post, but is about exercise of your "judgement" in place of our own.
We don't want, need, or desire YOUR "judgement" as to the value of ANY non-bot, non-porn posts. That is what WE get to decide. It might be your "judgement" that some of my, or Steinegar, or asechrest posts are not within the bounds of your "judgement" as value, and fall into the spam content.
You're now the "spokesman"?
No one has answered my question from before as to what constitutes 'spam'. Maybe this post is spam according to the "judgement" of the moderator(s), maybe everything I write since arrival is spam according to the "judgement" of the moderator(s).
It's been discussed. There has been no moderation other than removing bots, porn and spam.
Where did the "dysfunctional infection" post go that is the source of my signature? I searched but can't find it? Was in considered in the "judgement" of the moderators to be spam? I thought it was insightful content, and rather useful in defining my moral(immoral) character. But it's gone, gone, gone - and one has to wonder if some "judgement" was exercised by the moderator(s) there.
hmmmmmm
What thread was it in? And why would anyone give a shit about deleting any of your postings??
Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2018, 07:01:21 AM
Yes, I'm questioning the need for your "judgement" as to what is and is not a spam post over that of those of us who joined an unmoderated forum. Sadly, you can't see the issue is not about ONE shamalamading dong post, but is about exercise of your "judgement" in place of our own.
We don't want, need, or desire YOUR "judgement" as to the value of ANY non-bot, non-porn posts. That is what WE get to decide. It might be your "judgement" that some of my, or Steinegar, or asechrest posts are not within the bounds of your "judgement" as value, and fall into the spam content.
Now you are just being even more ridiculous. Show me where any non Spam, Bot, or Porn post has been deleted. The posts that have been deleted were clearly in these categories. You are just showing you have some axe to grind about a few people with high post counts being designated moderators even though IT HAS NOT AFFECTED THE CONTENT OF THE SITE in any meaningful way other than to get rid of spam, bots, and porn.
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No one has answered my question from before as to what constitutes 'spam'. Maybe this post is spam according to the "judgement" of the moderator(s), maybe everything I write since arrival is spam according to the "judgement" of the moderator(s).
Where did the "dysfunctional infection" post go that is the source of my signature? I searched but can't find it? Was in considered in the "judgement" of the moderators to be spam? I thought it was insightful content, and rather useful in defining my moral(immoral) character. But it's gone, gone, gone - and one has to wonder if some "judgement" was exercised by the moderator(s) there.
hmmmmmm
Now you are just rambling incoherently.
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 07:23:07 AM
Now you are just rambling incoherently.
In other words 'spam'? Right?
Still not answering the question I note.
Define "spam".
Post by: Rush on September 27, 2018, 07:40:30 AM
In other words 'spam'? Right?
Still not answering the question I note.
Define "spam".
I define spam as something that wastes my time with repetitive postings containing little or no meaning. My time wasted may only be one second but that is one second closer to death and I don't like it being wasted. It's like being Rickrolled. Funny once or twice but gets monotonous real fast.
If your issue is not with the shammalamadingdong itself but with Anthony's judgement and you want a vote, let's vote then and be done with it.
Post by: Number7 on September 27, 2018, 08:38:24 AM
Nice, double down on the 'grow up' with 'fucking whiny, teenager...'
I can see the moderators are being the adults we all knew they would be.
Triggered much?
Nope.
Ignored by your pathetic obsessive need to be the center of attention.
One would think that YOU are the spammer, shamalamadingdong and can’t stand being trivialized.
Post by: nddons on September 27, 2018, 09:07:09 AM
With nothing better to do - and without something legitimate to whine about,m the children have chosen to throw a tantrum because Bryan with a ‘Y’ might not get to repetitively post his spam picture of Ottis, and that makes them feel threatened because...Yep.
Because...
Because...
Oh, yeah.
Just because!
Post by: nddons on September 27, 2018, 09:16:29 AM
This is getting surreal now. "Moderator attitude"? "Better than us"?I think we need to put together a moderator budget to purchase participation trophies for those who, through no fault of our own, weren’t chosen to be Supreme Leaders of the Galaxy (a/k/a “moderators”) yet still need to be validated as being important and valued members of this board.
Post by: nddons on September 27, 2018, 09:25:17 AM
Yes, I'm questioning the need for your "judgement" as to what is and is not a spam post over that of those of us who joined an unmoderated forum. Sadly, you can't see the issue is not about ONE shamalamading dong post, but is about exercise of your "judgement" in place of our own.My God, you sound just like the pussy hat-wearing liberals who claim that millions of women will DIE due to back alley abortions if Kavanaugh is seated on the Supreme Court.
We don't want, need, or desire YOUR "judgement" as to the value of ANY non-bot, non-porn posts. That is what WE get to decide. It might be your "judgement" that some of my, or Steinegar, or asechrest posts are not within the bounds of your "judgement" as value, and fall into the spam content.
No one has answered my question from before as to what constitutes 'spam'. Maybe this post is spam according to the "judgement" of the moderator(s), maybe everything I write since arrival is spam according to the "judgement" of the moderator(s).
Where did the "dysfunctional infection" post go that is the source of my signature? I searched but can't find it? Was in considered in the "judgement" of the moderators to be spam? I thought it was insightful content, and rather useful in defining my moral(immoral) character. But it's gone, gone, gone - and one has to wonder if some "judgement" was exercised by the moderator(s) there.
hmmmmmm
Your hyperventilation is duly noted. And utterly ridiculous.
Post by: asechrest on September 27, 2018, 09:32:15 AM
I think we need to put together a moderator budget to purchase participation trophies for those who, through no fault of our own, weren’t chosen to be Supreme Leaders of the Galaxy (a/k/a “moderators”) yet still need to be validated as being important and valued members of this board.
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Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2018, 09:34:23 AM
Post by: asechrest on September 27, 2018, 09:34:43 AM
^^^^^^^Thank you Nancy Pelosi.
You're welcome, Mari!
Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2018, 09:37:03 AM
You're welcome, Mari!
You have lost all sense of reality, and credibility.
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Post by: Rush on September 28, 2018, 07:32:02 AM
With nothing better to do - and without something legitimate to whine about,m the children have chosen to throw a tantrum because Bryan with a ‘Y’ might not get to repetitively post his spam picture of Ottis, and that makes them feel threatened because...
Because...
Because...
Oh, yeah.
Just because!
I am way out of the loop. I only just figured out Bryan with a "Y" is SixPapaCharlie on the PoA board. Is this correct? And people think he is shammalamdingdong? Hmmm, I don't see it. SixPapaCharlie seems more cerebral. What am I missing?
Post by: nddons on September 28, 2018, 11:53:29 AM
I am way out of the loop. I only just figured out Bryan with a "Y" is SixPapaCharlie on the PoA board. Is this correct? And people think he is shammalamdingdong? Hmmm, I don't see it. SixPapaCharlie seems more cerebral. What am I missing?Cerebral? Well, it’s 5 o’clock somewhere.
Post by: Rush on September 28, 2018, 12:42:23 PM
Cerebral? Well, it’s 5 o’clock somewhere.
I must still really be missing something. All I know about him is he makes funny videos. By more cerebral I was speaking relative to the alternate character, nothing more.
Post by: Steingar on October 01, 2018, 07:23:48 AM
I must still really be missing something. All I know about him is he makes funny videos. By more cerebral I was speaking relative to the alternate character, nothing more.
Met him in person, he is a funny guy.