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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: jb1842 on September 20, 2022, 06:58:49 AM
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So my son heard about cub scouts yesterday at school and wants to go to the meeting tonight. I'm not high on scouts at all. I don't think it's the organization it once was, and I realize that each pack is different. But does anybody here have any recent experience with them? Good, bad, indifferent?
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I don't have recent experience.
But let me say that you are correct that every pack/troop is different.... at least that was what I saw and experienced.
there were some packs that did far more outside activities than others, especially with the Boy Scout troops.
When I went to Philmont <mumble> years ago there was a huge difference between camping experience/ability of the guys that were in my group.
good luck.
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Not directly, but my brother just finished about 8-10 years being the Scoutmaster for a troop in Illinois.
Dave became disgusted with the organization, and only stayed in until his two boys made Eagle Scout.
Admitting girls is an abomination. He didn’t have any girls in his troop, but that was his opinion of Boy Scouts of America.
The other thing is that you have to accept all kids, including those with special needs. Dave had some autistic boys in his troop, and couldn’t deny them going on campouts or to Summer Camp. These leaders never got training in how to deal with such things. On at least 4 occasions, an autistic boy had a meltdown, and wouldn’t leave his tent or in one instance started to get violent. When a boy is having a meltdown, no single leader could go into the tent to help him (liability, etc.) so at least two leaders or adults had to be present.
So with two leaders occupied, and only two leaders on the campout, the other boys get cheated out of whatever they were going to be doing (20-mile hike or whatever) so they have to stick around camp while crazy Johnny gets all the adult attention. In many cases, Dave said a parent of an autistic kid must attend the campout, and he was admonished by the local BSA organization for that. He came to find out that many parents of autistic boys looked at campouts as their “weekend off” from having to take care of their kids.
Lastly, during all those years over 50% of his troop was medicated in some way. The leaders had to be given all the meds, and then dispense them to the boys at the proper time.
It is NOT the BSA that my brother and I participated in 50 years ago.
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Wow. Boy Scouts have to accept girls? What the hell are the Girl Scouts for?
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I'm not worried about girls, it's the creepy gay men wearing neckerchiefs (Yes I'm biased about this. I don't care. The boy scouts have a bad history of knowing about abuse and covering it up). This troop is at least church sponsored so there shouldn't be any gay adults allowed. But I hate selling crap for fundraisers, too.
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Wow. Boy Scouts have to accept girls? What the hell are the Girl Scouts for?
And a boy can’t join the Girl Scouts. Make total sense right.
Well a boy can join as long as he thinks he is a girl.
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I'm not worried about girls, it's the creepy gay men wearing neckerchiefs (Yes I'm biased about this. I don't care. The boy scouts have a bad history of knowing about abuse and covering it up). This troop is at least church sponsored so there shouldn't be any gay adults allowed. But I hate selling crap for fundraisers, too.
No gay adults because it’s associated with a church? You want to rethink that? ;D
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Wow. Boy Scouts have to accept girls? What the hell are the Girl Scouts for?
https://nypost.com/2019/02/01/boy-scouts-will-allow-girls-for-first-time-in-109-years/
Oh, and it’s now Scouts BSA, not Boy Scouts, because, you know, we all need to be inclusive.
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No gay adults because it’s associated with a church? You want to rethink that? ;D
Well, from my undersranding if it's a church sponsored pack they can exclude gay adults if they know they are gay.
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Well, from my undersranding if it's a church sponsored pack they can exclude gay adults if they know they are gay.
And that’s the rub, isn’t it.
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And that’s the rub, isn’t it.
Yep. I could care less if you're gay. I do care why a gay man would choose to spend a lot of time around young boys, though.
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https://nypost.com/2019/02/01/boy-scouts-will-allow-girls-for-first-time-in-109-years/
Oh, and it’s now Scouts BSA, not Boy Scouts, because, you know, we all need to be inclusive.
Bonding of gender segregated groups is a normal and necessary part of social development. Apparently the post doesn’t mind articulating this fact wrt females - where is the male counterpart?
“A big advantage of all-girl groups, at this age, is that their members don’t have to worry nearly as much about behaving so as to get approval from males,” says professor Robin Lakoff, an expert in gender at the University of California, Berkeley. “They learn to develop self-confidence and skills of all kinds, without worrying that boys will find them too bossy.”
Isn’t it equally important for boys to learn stuff together without worrying about girls being there?
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Yep. I could care less if you're gay. I do care why a gay man would choose to spend a lot of time around young boys, though.
Does that mean all straight men who choose to spend time around young girls are pedophiles?
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well, there are a number of protocols that can be in place to protect the children and also the adults. For example, never having one adult alone with one child.
Yes, the adults need protection from false accusations.
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Does that mean all straight men who choose to spend time around young girls are pedophiles?
Only if they are the current POTUS. I would question why an adult male would spend time around young girls without a reason. But I'm a cynical asshole by nature.
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Only if they are the current POTUS. I would question why an adult male would spend time around young girls without a reason. But I'm a cynical asshole by nature.
LOL!
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Bonding of gender segregated groups is a normal and necessary part of social development. Apparently the post doesn’t mind articulating this fact wrt females - where is the male counterpart?
Isn’t it equally important for boys to learn stuff together without worrying about girls being there?
I read that not as the Post taking a stand, I just think they were taking a quote from the Girl Scouts. Sadly, the Boy Scouts apparently have no similar message, which is a pathetic denial of what they always stood for.
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Leaving someone, anyone, out of anything now is a crime of epic horror. It’s another way to weaken everything.
I recommend talking to the leader or a couple of the leaders, jb1842. You’ll be able to tell after a few very direct questions whether you want your son anywhere near them.
A lady came by my house who is running for the school board. I grilled her. Within a couple of minutes it was clear she was a liberal (CRT anyone?) trying to pass herself off as a moderate.
Go in for the kill. Ask all the non-PC questions. As long as we all, as G. K. Chesterton would say, keep “participating in their delusions,” it’ll all just get worse.
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Leaving someone, anyone, out of anything now is a crime of epic horror. It’s another way to weaken everything.
I recommend talking to the leader or a couple of the leaders, jb1842. You’ll be able to tell after a few very direct questions whether you want your son anywhere near them.
A lady came by my house who is running for the school board. I grilled her. Within a couple of minutes it was clear she was a liberal (CRT anyone?) trying to pass herself off as a moderate.
Go in for the kill. Ask all the non-PC questions. As long as we all, as G. K. Chesterton would say, keep “participating in their delusions,” it’ll all just get worse.
From looking at their facebook, a friends wife has her son in the pack. I'll reach out to him. And I found a website that has listed the scouts former secret abuser files listed so you can search for the abusers. No past abusers, but that doesn't mean there aren't any current. If he does get involved, I will be there for everything. But, I'm going to steer him more towards sports. He loves playing soccer, baseball, and swimming, wants to take golf lessons next summer and has said he can't wait to play football. This is all from a 5 year old who just started kindergarten. I would rather do sports than scouting.
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Bonding of gender segregated groups is a normal and necessary part of social development. Apparently the post doesn’t mind articulating this fact wrt females - where is the male counterpart?
Isn’t it equally important for boys to learn stuff together without worrying about girls being there?
That's part of the scouting experience. You get to do guy stuff with other guys and learn how to be a Man. Boys act totally different around girls, so this can't happen now. Plus you just can't do or say the same things. It's a total cluster. Almost everything sucks now because of Leftists and their fucking ideas.
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From looking at their facebook, a friends wife has her son in the pack. I'll reach out to him. And I found a website that has listed the scouts former secret abuser files listed so you can search for the abusers. No past abusers, but that doesn't mean there aren't any current. If he does get involved, I will be there for everything. But, I'm going to steer him more towards sports. He loves playing soccer, baseball, and swimming, wants to take golf lessons next summer and has said he can't wait to play football. This is all from a 5 year old who just started kindergarten. I would rather do sports than scouting.
As far as I know, the scouts don’t do sports except kayaking. In fact, I don’t really know what the scouts DO. Maybe they just camp, hike, do projects, earn badges, or whatever. Lots of bonding time with other boys.
Hmm. I’m with your son. Sports might be a better deal overall.
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That's part of the scouting experience. You get to do guy stuff with other guys and learn how to be a Man. Boys act totally different around girls, so this can't happen now. Plus you just can't do or say the same things. It's a total cluster. Almost everything sucks now be of Leftists and their fucking ideas.
Exactomundo. Guys are only interesting to girls because they’re mysterious and like different things than girls do. Same-same is the death knell to attraction. It’s why I can’t understand lesbianism.
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As far as I know, the scouts don’t do sports except kayaking. In fact, I don’t really know what the scouts DO. Maybe they just camp, hike, do projects, earn badges, or whatever. Lots of bonding time with other boys.
Hmm. I’m with your son. Sports might be a better deal overall.
My son said they came to talk at his school and said they camping soon (which he loves) at the local scout camp and at the zoo in a few months. So that got his attention. Sort of pissed at the school for letting them talk to kids like that. Rather they would send the info home first and let the parents decide if they want to inform the kids about whata going on, especially for impressionable 5 year olds.
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That's part of the scouting experience. You get to do guy stuff with other guys and learn how to be a Man. Boys act totally different around girls, so this can't happen now. Plus you just can't do or say the same things. It's a total cluster. Almost everything sucks now be of Leftists and their fucking ideas.
THIS^^^^ Even at age 5, but the age group mentioned in that article was 11 to 17. YGTBFSM. Right when guys are most awkward around girls. No, terrible idea. They need guy only time to build confidence in their masculinity before putting it all in front of females.
Similarly, girls do the same with their slumber parties and such. It’s part of growing up. And a continuing need throughout life, especially for men. Norah Vincent found that out when she went undercover as a man for 18 months and reported back her findings. Turns out men are actually nicer and more compassionate to each other in their friendships than women are, and these bonds are vitally important to their well being.
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Exactomundo. Guys are only interesting to girls because they’re mysterious and like different things than girls do. Same-same is the death knell to attraction. It’s why I can’t understand lesbianism.
Amen, sister.
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My son said they came to talk at his school and said they camping soon (which he loves) at the local scout camp and at the zoo in a few months. So that got his attention. Sort of pissed at the school for letting them talk to kids like that. Rather they would send the info home first and let the parents decide if they want to inform the kids about whata going on, especially for impressionable 5 year olds.
I agree, that would bother me too. It wouldn’t have 40 years ago, but these days of woke I would be wary of any organization brought in by the school to talk to my kid.
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Exactomundo. Guys are only interesting to girls because they’re mysterious and like different things than girls do. Same-same is the death knell to attraction. It’s why I can’t understand lesbianism.
Well when I lived in San Francisco many of my neighbors were Lesbians and we got along great. They were fun and good folks. However, one in the couple usually was more masculine and Butch and played the Guy roll. Not always but it seemed common.
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THIS^^^^ Even at age 5, but the age group mentioned in that article was 11 to 17. YGTBFSM. Right when guys are most awkward around girls. No, terrible idea. They need guy only time to build confidence in their masculinity before putting it all in front of females.
Similarly, girls do the same with their slumber parties and such. It’s part of growing up. And a continuing need throughout life, especially for men. Norah Vincent found that out when she went undercover as a man for 18 months and reported back her findings. Turns out men are actually nicer and more compassionate to each other in their friendships than women are, and these bonds are vitally important to their well being.
There's a reason to have separate Boy and Girl stuff. The Leftist Fascists don't get it. Maladjusted as they are.
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The den leader seems a decent guy. He's a few years younger than me and was a scout with my best friend from high school, so that's a plus. My son was bored within 30 minutes, so not sure he will last. Fingers crossed.
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As far as I know, the scouts don’t do sports except kayaking. In fact, I don’t really know what the scouts DO. Maybe they just camp, hike, do projects, earn badges, or whatever. Lots of bonding time with other boys.
Hmm. I’m with your son. Sports might be a better deal overall.
When I was in Boy Scouts most fall/winter/spring activities were camping, hiking, outdoor skills, and the Klondike Derby, where each patrol built a sled and pushed/pulled it along a race course in the woods going to different stations testing outdoor skills, like lake ice rescue, semaphore (I’m not kidding), first aid, etc.
At summer camp, we did rowing, canoeing, swimming, lifesaving, fishing, wilderness camping, whitewater rafting, archery, marksmanship (.22 single shot bolt action rifles), etc.
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The den leader seems a decent guy. He's a few years younger than me and was a scout with my best friend from high school, so that's a plus. My son was bored within 30 minutes, so not sure he will last. Fingers crossed.
Cub scouts was boring as hell to me too except for the Pinewood Derby. I couldn’t wait to get to Boy Scouts and actually do stuff.
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Cub scouts was boring as hell to me too except for the Pinewood Derby. I couldn’t wait to get to Boy Scouts and actually do stuff.
I was a cub scout for less than a year. I was bored, too. I'm not going to bring it up to him again in the hopes he forgets about it. And there was only 4 kindergarten kids who showed up, and I think at least one of the moms was just there to check it out but not really enthused like I was.
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sure, back in the day, Boy Scouts was much more entertaining than Cub Scouts.
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Oh, another thing. Some troop leaders are now women. I’m not sure if it’s an issue that they can’t find a dad willing to do it, or if it’s their new policy, but I think that too is pathetic.
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Cub scouts was boring as hell to me too except for the Pinewood Derby. I couldn’t wait to get to Boy Scouts and actually do stuff.
We backpacked, camped out, did Bushcraft, archery and did our Merit Badge stuff. Well maybe that was Webelos. Did the same and more in Boy Scouts. No girls, Trans, Gays, Pedos, etc. Probably no Democrats either.
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Oh, another thing. Some troop leaders are now women. I’m not sure if it’s an issue that they can’t find a dad willing to do it, or if it’s their new policy, but I think that too is pathetic.
Not the original Mission.
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Not the original Mission.
No kidding.
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Not the original Mission.
Yep, it was life takers and heart breakers.............
Oh wait, that the Marines......
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Yep, it was life takers and heart breakers.............
Oh wait, that the Marines......
Make boys MEN. Or Boys to Men. Oh they're singers. Not Boys to quasi Girls anyway.
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I remember very little about Cub Scouts. We did a lot of outdoor stuff, probably because we were all Navy brats. I remember marching in a number of parades and building floats. The Pinewood Derby was the most memorable. I buried a little magnet in the nose of the car hoping that it would make it go a little faster. It didn't. A LOT more outdoor stuff in Boy Scouts. Hiking and camping in the mountain woods in winter was pretty great. But all that was back in the 1960s before the great pussification.
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I was a Brownie and then a Girl Scout. I got badges for nerdy stuff like photography, navigation and first aid. We did some camping and outdoorsy stuff. I got a badge for horseback riding. In the end I lost interest. I’m not a group kind of person, so never really fit in.
I got curious and looked up the badges today, to my horror. “Science of Happiness”, “Eco Camper”, “Social Butterfly” and “Special Agent”. What the hell is that last one? Learn how to raid your political opponents?
What I remember most fondly are the cookies. I sold a lot of those and back then everybody loved them. Nowadays I guess we can’t have little girls walking around town by themselves knocking on strangers’ doors. The cookies aren’t as good as they were back then either.
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“Science of Happiness” - oh good grief SMH
“Eco Camper” - apparently people don't understand how camping was done back in the day (take only pictures, leave only footprints...)
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“Science of Happiness” - oh good grief SMH
“Eco Camper” - apparently people don't understand how camping was done back in the day (take only pictures, leave only footprints...)
Interesting exercise. Some are the same as when I was in, but some are leftist propaganda and many are designed for a boy who never leaves his basement. Pathetic.
“Citizenship in Society” sounds fishy, so I pulled it up. Marxist propaganda.
“The focus of the Citizenship in Society merit badge is to provide you with information on diversity, equity, inclusion, and ethical leadership. You’ll learn why these qualities are important in society and in Scouting, as well as how to help other people at all times and serve as a leader and an upstander. The Boy Scouts of America continues to be committed to developing a culture in which every youth, volunteer, and employee feels included and welcomed — and to building communities where every person feels respected and valued.”
https://www.scouting.org/programs/scouts-bsa/advancement-and-awards/merit-badges/
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The boy came home from school yesterday talking about it. Looks like I'm stuck taking him to some more meetings and the camp out next weekend. There is a zoo campout in October, but he's too young. Maybe he will get pissed he can't go and want nothing to do with it after that.
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What I remember most fondly are the cookies. I sold a lot of those and back then everybody loved them. Nowadays I guess we can’t have little girls walking around town by themselves knocking on strangers’ doors. The cookies aren’t as good as they were back then either.
When our middle granddaughter started scouting we bought boxes of boxes of cookies from her, then gave them away.
Now they're $6 a box with half as many cookies.
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When our middle granddaughter started scouting we bought boxes of boxes of cookies from her, then gave them away.
Now they're $6 a box with half as many cookies.
The ingredients are different too. I well remember Thin Mints when I was 7 years old. Not the same at all, now they are smaller and taste different. Still okay but nothing like they used to be.
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The ingredients are different too. I well remember Thin Mints when I was 7 years old. Not the same at all, now they are smaller and taste different. Still okay but nothing like they used to be.
Buy the keebler cookies if you want the original thin mints, according to friends in girl scouts. Thats who used to make them back in the day. Now there are 2 different factories, if I remember right, that make them and the recipes aren't the same.
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Buy the keebler cookies if you want the original thin mints, according to friends in girl scouts. Thats who used to make them back in the day. Now there are 2 different factories, if I remember right, that make them and the recipes aren't the same.
Probably outsourced to China and made of asbestos.
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Probably outsourced to China and made of asbestos.
With lead sprinkles for decoration and flavor.
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When our middle granddaughter started scouting we bought boxes of boxes of cookies from her, then gave them away.
Now they're $6 a box with half as many cookies.
It's my understanding that the girls sell those to raise money for their camp fees. It's also my understanding that the girls get very little of the proceeds of the sale.
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It's my understanding that the girls sell those to raise money for their camp fees. It's also my understanding that the girls get very little of the proceeds of the sale.
AFAIK the girls never get the proceeds. It was all to raise money for Girl Scout summer camp.
Don't have any idea what they do with the money now.
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The boy came home from school yesterday talking about it. Looks like I'm stuck taking him to some more meetings and the camp out next weekend. There is a zoo campout in October, but he's too young. Maybe he will get pissed he can't go and want nothing to do with it after that.
Scouting is not the worst thing a kid can do, but you should get involved and influence the troop. The changes aren’t about gays or women, it’s lowering the standards for badges. It used to be that to get merit badge, you had to display some knowledge and skill, but now you can show up for a class on Saturday morning and get 90% of it. The boys know cheap when they see it and that will impact their interest.
Timeline wise - left scouting about 3 years ago when my son aged out.
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Scouting is not the worst thing a kid can do, but you should get involved and influence the troop. The changes aren’t about gays or women, it’s lowering the standards for badges. It used to be that to get merit badge, you had to display some knowledge and skill, but now you can show up for a class on Saturday morning and get 90% of it. The boys know cheap when they see it and that will impact their interest.
Timeline wise - left scouting about 3 years ago when my son aged out.
We’re you a leader? Did you have the special needs and medicated kids like my brother had? Just curious if his experience is isolated or ubiquitous.
I flew a 1943 Fairchild PT-26 Cornell to a Boy Scout Aviation event at the Rockford, IL airport several years ago. My take was that it is more common than I ever thought based on the interactions I had that day with scouts, leaders, and helicopter parents.
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Scouting is not the worst thing a kid can do, but you should get involved and influence the troop. The changes aren’t about gays or women, it’s lowering the standards for badges. It used to be that to get merit badge, you had to display some knowledge and skill, but now you can show up for a class on Saturday morning and get 90% of it. The boys know cheap when they see it and that will impact their interest.
Timeline wise - left scouting about 3 years ago when my son aged out.
Our neighbors next door joined scouts last year, in a troop the next town over. They love it. They said their troop is large and all the kids came from the troop in our town to theirs, and have a much better experience. So we will probably go with them next week and check out their troop.
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We’re you a leader? Did you have the special needs and medicated kids like my brother had? Just curious if his experience is isolated or ubiquitous.
I flew a 1943 Fairchild PT-26 Cornell to a Boy Scout Aviation event at the Rockford, IL airport several years ago. My take was that it is more common than I ever thought based on the interactions I had that day with scouts, leaders, and helicopter parents.
I was an Asst Scoutmaster. It was a very large troop when we joined, > 120 boys. But the associated church leadership changed policies that impacted recruiting and the troop was down to 40 when we left.
We had a little of everything. I didn't work with them much, but on campouts it was the boys' responsibility to come to the adult for medicine. Only two that I recall that had to be specifically searched out.
Kept my son off drugs and off the street...