PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on July 16, 2018, 11:02:32 AM
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This is getting so tiresome and utterly pathetic.
Today's outrage is the Helsinki meeting. The progressives are melting down and screaming "treason!" Communist Brennan is even trying to allege the meeting exceeds "high crimes and misdemeanors" and impeachment proceedings must begin at once!
And of course they are all in a tiff over Mueller's latest "indictments" concerning people he knows will never appear.
What these imbeciles can't comprehend is the indictments all took place under Obama and his administration. Once again BHO looks like the amateur he became known for.
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"Tell Vlad after the election I'll have a lot more flexibility"
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I'll take a risk and say that it was not Trump's best effort. He sounded like a petulant kid next to his master. Putin undoubtedly led the discussion and the theme. Also, no matter what the US intel communities shortcomings, to dis them in favor of Putin's denial is counterproductive at a minimum. Even if there was no justification at all for the statement, just the public image of it has done damage back home.
Sorry(not really)
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What I loved was Brennan's reaction. Wasn't Brennan the CIA Director during all of this :D
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What I loved was Brennan's reaction. Wasn't Brennan the CIA Director during all of this :D
Yep. And his boss was none other than BHO, who did absolutely nothing.
And those who are crying "election meddling!" are forgetting a few things. BHO himself was guilty of meddling in Israel's election among others. And those who are so upset (supposedly) with Russian election meddling are the same ones who protest when we suggest strengthening our election laws with voter ID and other methods.
And then they forget this little tidbit:
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It does well to point out that the election was held under the auspices of BO, and not Trump. If I were handling it, I would have agreed with those screaming 'election meddling' and put the blame squarely where it belonged, on the admin who was in charge at the time. Hard for Trump to be held liable for election problems when he was a private citizen. Then, move on - agree with the intel assessment, tell Putiin that we are now going to stop any messing around in its tracks, and let the chips fall.
Trump just chose a poor strategy because he was concerned about the election meddling coming back to the collusion angle. If there is no collusion, then there can be no problem.
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There's really good evidence that Russian IT people with connections to the government have been inundating America with propaganda supporting Trump. I'm starting to wonder if Lucifer isn't one of them.
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There's really good evidence that Russian IT people with connections to the government have been inundating America with propaganda supporting Trump. I'm starting to wonder if Lucifer isn't one of them.
I've already stated here that I was all set to go vote for Hillary, but I was on FaceBook and saw some memes, and the next thing I knew I went in the booth and voted Trump. ::)
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There's really good evidence that Russian IT people with connections to the government have been inundating America with propaganda supporting Trump. I'm starting to wonder if Lucifer isn't one of them.
Please show the links to that "evidence" that you are referencing. And please, the links to the actual evidence, not news stories from the MSM.
Oh, and thanks for your drive by post. You'll disappear now until you have another nugget of liberal talking points to throw out and run.
Same old tactics.
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There's really good evidence that Russian IT people with connections to the government have been inundating America with propaganda supporting Trump. I'm starting to wonder if Lucifer isn't one of them.
Mueller has been looking for 14 months or so, and I have to believe if there was any 'really good evidence' it would have surfaced long ago. The press and the deep state crats would have blown it sky high 10 seconds after it was discovered. So - put up or shut up and let us get on with running the damn country. Indicting 12 Russians who will never see the bar of US justice is horseshit, and reeks of desperation.
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I have little doubt about the Russian's meddling in our election. One thing I heard that makes sense is that they were not necessarily trying to help Trump because along with everyone else, they thought he would lose regardless. They were actually trying to send a message to Hillary to show her how powerful they were if she tried to mess with them.
And I have even less doubt that the reason Obama failed to do anything about it was because he knew we have done the same to other countries. If he called it an act of war, and acted as such, then other countries could claim we waged war against them.
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Some of you should read the news more often. The entire Intelligence community is convinced that he Russians meddled in the last Presidential election, and more than a few of them think that it was that influence that actually tipped the balance, though personally I find such analyses lacking (no way to tell what really would have happened sans Russian input). None the less the guys who figure this stuff out are convinced it happened, and it did so during an election that was sufficiently close to throw the Presidency to the looser of the popular vote.
Lucifer is now going to claim fake news, just like his idol (or just like the boob his Russian masters want to put forward to weaken America and the West, something at which they are succeeding wildly). And he criticizes me for not coming here every day to read his uninformed drivel.
And the only people who could applaud Trump's performance in Helsinki are idiots and apparatchiks. Even the congressional GOP is aghast, and they've supported him through everything. Reagan is rolling over in his grave.
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Some of you should read the news more often. The entire Intelligence community is convinced that he Russians meddled in the last Presidential election, and more than a few of them think that it was that influence that actually tipped the balance, though personally I find such analyses lacking (no way to tell what really would have happened sans Russian input). None the less the guys who figure this stuff out are convinced it happened, and it did so during an election that was sufficiently close to throw the Presidency to the looser of the popular vote.
Most of us do read a balanced version of the news, unlike simple minded progressives such as yourself who only wait for the CNN talking points of the day.
Again, you keep stating how the intelligence community is convinced, but yet you and the other alt left mouth foaming progressives can't point to one citation to back this up, again falling back to CNN or MSNBC to give you the talking point version.
It's so laughable on the face of this whole farce how progressives cannot accept they ran the worse candidate in presidential election history, a cold heartless criminally corrupt old lady with no accomplishments to her name except to have her successful husbands last name.
Perfesser, like it or not, the piece of shit named Hillary Clinton lost the election on a simple fact, the people of this country rejected her and viewed her as an extension of the failure called Barack Obama. I know you want so desperately to believe millions more were going to vote for her but they saw some meme on facebook and mysteriously decided to vote for Trump.
Lucifer is now going to claim fake news, just like his idol (or just like the boob his Russian masters want to put forward to weaken America and the West, something at which they are succeeding wildly).
Your idol and messiah BHO did more to weaken the US in the world's eye than all of his predecessors, but yet you marveled when he went on his world apology tour and bowed before monarchs of countries that despise the US. You also praised the black messiah when he traded terrorist for a deserter, made deals with Iran to weaken the US in the ME then flew a cargo plane loaded with money in the middle of the night to them so they could fund more terrorism.
And he criticizes me for not coming here every day to read his uninformed drivel.
The only thing we see from the other mouth foaming progressives such as yourself are the "drive by" type comments, which are typically nothing more than regurgitated talking points from your masters. You're so fuckin' spineless you can't back up any of the garbage you post, so you disappear.
And the only people who could applaud Trump's performance in Helsinki are idiots and apparatchiks. Even the congressional GOP is aghast, and they've supported him through everything. Reagan is rolling over in his grave.
Yes, we are going to believe your master's narrative, I mean, well, it must be, they told you to believe it.
Simply amazing that someone such as yourself who gloats about your own supposed mental superiority can't even begin to show an ounce of reasonable and objective thought.
The communist and their progressive followers admire people such as you, they called you "useful idiots".
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I do read several newspapers and visit many news web sites. I don't watch much television though unless I am a captive audience on the treadmill at the gym.
I find that I believe very little that most of them say.
But I have no doubt that the Russians and the Chinese and the Norks and the Iranians and US meddle in each others elections all the time. The reason Obama didn't do anything about it when he we in charge during the last election is that we do it too, and probably more effectively than they do.
And even though they "meddled", I don't think they colluded with Trump, or they had any impact on the outcome of the election. It think they were mainly sending a message to the one they though would win the election, ie, Hillary to scare her from acting aggressive towards them after she won. They wanted to let her know that they could release information about her that would incriminate her.
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I never said the Russkies colluded with Trump, I doubt they did. But Trump has been denying (along with you lot) that they did anything during the election.
Yeah, countries do stuff to each other, whatever they can get away with. But we really don't want foreign governments screwing with our elections, and it looks like one did. The best way to ensure it never happens again is to start by admitting it happened in the first place, which our POTUS adamantly refuses to do.
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I never said the Russkies colluded with Trump, I doubt they did. But Trump has been denying (along with you lot) that they did anything during the election.
Yeah, countries do stuff to each other, whatever they can get away with. But we really don't want foreign governments screwing with our elections, and it looks like one did. The best way to ensure it never happens again is to start by admitting it happened in the first place, which our POTUS adamantly refuses to do.
Facts go a long way in trying to make a coherent argument. Try it sometimes, it actually works.
Let's look at the current narrative being driven by the mouth foaming alt left progressives. They desperately want the President to say that Russia interfered in our election. They want desperately to find one tiny crumb that will say that interference caused voters to not vote for Felonious Von Pantsuits. At that moment, they will jump up in yet another faux outrage with their fingers pointed and scream "See, he's illegitimate!!!!!" and follow that with "Any and all orders he has put out must be vacated immediately!!!". Then in an orgasmic fury they will proclaim "Strike down anyone he has nominated for any position!!!"
Then they will expect demand that Felonious Von Pantsuits be flown to DC and sworn in immediately to her owed position as POTUS.
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I never said the Russkies colluded with Trump, I doubt they did. But Trump has been denying (along with you lot) that they did anything during the election.
Yeah, countries do stuff to each other, whatever they can get away with. But we really don't want foreign governments screwing with our elections, and it looks like one did. The best way to ensure it never happens again is to start by admitting it happened in the first place, which our POTUS adamantly refuses to do.
Do you have any comments on the way Obama handled the situation, as it was happening under his nose?
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Do you have any comments on the way Obama handled the situation, as it was happening under his nose?
No, he isn't President. What he did or didn't do matter not one whit. What is important is what the government does moving forward. From the looks of it that will be nothing at all. Trump is in complete denial, the Congressional GOP does naught but toady up to him, and Putin is getting the laugh of his lifetime.
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No, he isn't President. What he did or didn't do matter not one whit. What is important is what the government does moving forward. From the looks of it that will be nothing at all. Trump is in complete denial, the Congressional GOP does naught but toady up to him, and Putin is getting the laugh of his lifetime.
That's right, don't blasphemy your savior and messiah, who spent his time in office blaming all of his mistakes on Bush, then after he leaves office starts blaming his mistakes on Trump.
Amazing that you want Trump to take the blame for "Russian Meddling" when the "meddling" supposedly took place under the Obama administration with such luminaries as Comey, Lynch and Brennan at the helm. Also amazing how those same characters absolutely deny any such meddling took place while they were in office as if it started happening at 12 noon on January 20th, 2017.
Simply amazing I tell ya.
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Yeah, so you won't put up and you won't shut up(edit: Steingar above). Just like I thought. If you have all this detailed info on the Russians supporting Trump, LET'S SEE IT! It is for certain that if the Mueller investigation or BO, or Clinton, or any of the deep state people heard of it, or any lefty HR member got a whiff of it we would be hearing it from every MSM outlet 7/24/365.
WELL?????
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Better late than never.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/17/trump-says-he-misspoke-on-russian-meddling-accepts-intelligence-assessment/
Reverses his stupidity of the presser.
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No, he isn't President. What he did or didn't do matter not one whit. What is important is what the government does moving forward. From the looks of it that will be nothing at all. Trump is in complete denial, the Congressional GOP does naught but toady up to him, and Putin is getting the laugh of his lifetime.
That's pretty much the answer I expected.
But back when BHO became President, that logic didn't hold for liberals that blamed GWB for everything for 8 years.
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More examples of “what about”, a favorite tactic of Trump and his toadies.
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More examples of “what about”, a favorite tactic of Trump and his toadies.
A prime example of alt left progressive denial.
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Fair point.
And of course, BO never, ever did that.
"The economy I inherited upon taking office - was a disgrace...."
"The Republicans can come along, but they have to sit in the back of the bus."
etc
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“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views but then are shocked and offended to discover that there ARE other views.” --- William F. Buckley Jr.
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“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views but then are shocked and offended to discover that there ARE other views.” --- William F. Buckley Jr.
"Liberalism is a mental disorder." ---Michael Savage
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Blah, blah. The daily outrage of Democrats has dimmed to background noise because it's always there. Like the boy who cried wolf, their complaints have lost power through overuse.
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I wish that the progressive professor would tell the truth and admit that his entir argument is that Donald Trump was not supposed to win, therefore everything he does is illegitimate.
Mikey, join the human race and try to deal with facts instead of hiding in an echo chamber of your ego and blind loyalty to the party line.
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George Will is now so unhinged that his toupee is turning gray and losing hair.
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The entire Intelligence community is convinced that he Russians meddled in the last Presidential election
No it's not.
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I wish that the progressive professor would tell the truth and admit that his entir argument is that Donald Trump was not supposed to win, therefore everything he does is illegitimate.
Mikey, join the human race and try to deal with facts instead of hiding in an echo chamber of your ego and blind loyalty to the party line.
How can you confuse Number 7?
You can't, he was born that way.
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Some historical perspective from Mark Levin:
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/peter-sifre/2018/07/18/levin-schools-historically-illiterate-liberals-botched-dem-press
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But Trump has been denying (along with you lot) that they did anything during the election.
I believe he has been denying collusion. I don't believe anyone thinks he said that the Russians did nothing except those who are invested in finding negatives.
You only hate Donald Trump because the Russians told you to, but you don't even know it. Ok, maybe you also hate him because he's not a Democrat, but you can get help for that.
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Heard a good one - The Democrats haven't been this angry since Lincoln freed their slaves.
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How can you confuse Number 7?
You can't, he was born that way.
Just out of curiosity, have you entered puberty yet?
I didn't think so.
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Just out of curiosity, have you entered puberty yet?
I didn't think so.
How can you tell Number 7 is going to a wedding?
His bowling shirt is clean.
And in other news the Donald himself finally, at last, though tepidly admits that the Russians interfered with the election.
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How can you tell Number 7 is going to a wedding?
His bowling shirt is clean.
Childish
And in other news the Donald himself finally, at last, though tepidly admits that the Russians interfered with the election.
So why aren't you in a blind outrage screaming "See!!!!! Illegitimate President!!!!!"
And while we're at, where is the outrage that your chocolate messiah refused to do anything about Russian meddling in 2016, 2014, 2012 and 2010? Where is the outrage that his administration (Holder, Lynch, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Mueller) also refused to address Russian meddling?
You are concerned, aren't you?
Or is this yet another one of your drive by shit spewings?
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None the less the guys who figure this stuff out are convinced it happened, and it did so during an election that was sufficiently close to throw the Presidency to the looser of the popular vote.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/07/20/voxsplaining-oh-my-god-did-vox-really-just-say-this-about-trump-and-the-elector-n2500963
Well, Vox Media has some news for us, guys. Donald Trump won the 2016 election because he clinched the 270 votes needed in Electoral College, despite winning the popular vote. Or how did they put it, “Trump only won the presidential election in 2016 because of the Electoral College.”
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It's that evil, awful, really nasty, definitely bad, constitution thing again.
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Electoral votes are the only votes that matter. Trump won those convincingly. Please tell me how the Russians changed anyone's mind to vote for Trump when the media was 95% or more promoting Hillary 24/7 and giving her debate questions prior to the debates.
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Please tell me how the Russians changed anyone's mind to vote for Trump when the media was 95% or more promoting Hillary 24/7 and giving her debate questions prior to the debates.
Because if the left can definitively prove that ONE vote was changed by Russian interference, it will invalidate the entire process, the election will be declared null and void, all Trump's policies can be reversed and Hillary will be installed as president.
didn't you know that? lolz.... 8)
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Electoral votes are the only votes that matter. Trump won those convincingly. Please tell me how the Russians changed anyone's mind to vote for Trump when the media was 95% or more promoting Hillary 24/7 and giving her debate questions prior to the debates.
I dunno, I was all set to vote Hillary, then one day I saw this meme on FB, and, I don’t know...
Next thing I knew I had a red MAGA hat and I voted Trump. I swear!
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Because if the left can definitively prove that ONE vote was changed by Russian interference, it will invalidate the entire process, the election will be declared null and void, all Trump's policies can be reversed and Hillary will be installed as president.
didn't you know that? lolz.... 8)
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I know you were being sarcastic, but there is truth to what you said. If they were able to prove that the Russians only swayed one or two votes, the news networks would play that 24/7.
Yet when individual voter fraud is found, they conveniently say that is small potatoes and doesn't amount to anything worth looking at. Right Asechrest?
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I know you were being sarcastic, but there is truth to what you said. If they were able to prove that the Russians only swayed one or two votes, the news networks would play that 24/7.
Yet when individual voter fraud is found, they conveniently say that is small potatoes and doesn't amount to anything worth looking at. Right Asechrest?
Funny (actually sad) thing is the alt left mouth foaming progressives are all in outrage over Russia meddling in our elections. Then this same group protest stronger election laws that would keep out voting abuse.
Go figure.
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I will admit that I was on the fence and leaning Hillary. But it was Comey talking about deleted emails and Anthony Weiner's laptop that swayed me, not FB or the Russians. I suspect I was not the only one.
So maybe when Hillary said "it was comey's fault", she was right.
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I will admit that I was on the fence and leaning Hillary. But it was Comey talking about deleted emails and Anthony Weiner's laptop that swayed me, not FB or the Russians. I suspect I was not the only one.
So maybe when Hillary said "it was comey's fault", she was right.
It was Comey's fault in that he spoke publicly about Hillary's crimes. But it isn't Comey's fault that Hillary is a criminal.
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An ad on Facebook made me decide to vote for a lepo.
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An ad on Facebook made me decide to vote for a lepo.
You have enriched my cultural vocabulary. 🙂
https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/9645c9a5/what-is-a-lepo
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Today's new outrage is President Trump wanting to remove security clearances from former government employees.
That's right, former employees who have zero need to have a security clearance. Yet these former employees somehow see it as a "right" to keep their security clearance.
Perhaps an audit is needed by the IG to see if these individuals have accessed any classified information since they have left office.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2018/07/24/speaker-ryan-says-trump-is-trolling-people-with-his-security-clearance-threat-n2503193
https://www.newsbusters.org/node/230685
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2018/07/23/abc-nbc-decry-trump-revoking-security-clearances-obama-spooks
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Today's new outrage is President Trump wanting to remove security clearances from former government employees.
That's right, former employees who have zero need to have a security clearance. Yet these former employees somehow see it as a "right" to keep their security clearance.
But its alwaaaaays been that way, so that makes it right; doesn't it?
NO. It doesn't make it right. Unless the US is benefiting from them having a clearance, then they shouldn't have it. And the ability to criticize Trump and hide behind a security clearance does not constitute a benefit to the U.S.