PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 07, 2020, 11:24:41 AM
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3 Nov has come and gone, and covid-19 hasn't magically become irrelevaant.
Many here on pilotspin predicted that 3 Nov would bring an end to the covid panic.
The panic continues.
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3 Nov has come and gone, and covid-19 hasn't magically become irrelevaant.
Many here on pilotspin predicted that 3 Nov would bring an end to the covid panic.
The panic continues.
Hmmmmmmm..............wonder why?...........
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They are waiting for Jan 20 because they aren’t completely sure Biden will be inaugurated.
Or maybe they will keep it up even if he is because they are sadists. Literally. I believe leftists despise hard working small businesses and enjoy destroying them.
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anything, any cost to induce additional "stimulus", eh?
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Yeah I wondered why people thought it would die Nov 4th. Other countries went more hardcore lockdown etc so we werent even freaking out like others. It's a conspiracy I tell ya south korean going big on contract tracing and quarantine... Something something to hurt trump.
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Libs thrive on victims. Victims depend on the government for their existence. The COVID scare is creating a whole new, huge class of victims that will rely on and vote Democrats for a hundred years.
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Yeah I wondered why people thought it would die Nov 4th. Other countries went more hardcore lockdown etc so we werent even freaking out like others. It's a conspiracy I tell ya south korean going big on contract tracing and quarantine... Something something to hurt trump.
Because the Democrat/Media Alliance are using it to hurt Trump. You'd have to be a moron to not see that.
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Because the Democrat/Media Alliance are using it to hurt Trump. You'd have to be a moron to not see that.
I don't fully agree.
The democrats are doing this specially to hurt conservatives and non communist voters.
They hate us.
Their obsession with total control is threatened by anyone not under their boot.
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3 Nov has come and gone, and covid-19 hasn't magically become irrelevaant.
Many here on pilotspin predicted that 3 Nov would bring an end to the covid panic.
The panic continues.
Yea, I was wrong.
I think the panic will continue because the Democrat Marxists did, with a little help from the Chinese and their virus, more to defeat American freedom in 10 months than the Soviet’s did over the 45 years of the Cold War. Why stop the Marxist train?
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Yea, I was wrong.
I think the panic will continue because the Democrat Marxists did, with a little help from the Chinese and their virus, more to defeat American freedom in 10 months than the Soviet’s did over the 45 years of the Cold War. Why stop the Marxist train?
If Biden gets in on 1/20/21 things will start to loosen up all due to him of course. The Media is driving this with the Democrats.
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I was in the hospital for an outpatient procedure yesterday, and the nurses took my temperature multiple times. After the last one, I said "I bet you're doing that a thousand times a day." Both nurses rolled their eyes and sighed and said "Yeah, there's lots of stuff we have to do now." The Doc was in earshot, so I didn't want to put them on the spot, but by the eyeroll, sigh, and the tone of the reply, I can say they're not very afraid of Covid.
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If Biden gets in on 1/20/21 things will start to loosen up all due to him of course. The Media is driving this with the Democrats.
Maybe it will continue until whoever profits from the vaccines has squeezed every penny out of it, which will be when every single person is vaccinated. Look for the hysteria to continue until vaccination is mandated.
The theory that Biden will loosen restrictions to get the economy going again has a flaw. It’s that the left wants a good economy. The only reason they’d want one is to make a Biden administration look good so they’d win again in 2024 but if he takes office, they will no longer need to worry about making the voters happy. Elections will be rigged from now on. So no need for a good economy.
Quite the opposite, their goal will be to destroy the U.S. economy completely and then blame it on “capitalism” to justify confiscation of private industry and implementation of top down control over it all (communism). So, no, do not look for covid to go away after Biden takes office, ever.
And anyway, you don’t need to actually make the economy good to claim the economy is good. You have a lying complicit media. The shutdowns will continue after Biden takes office and mainstream media will claim the economy is doing great!
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..... It’s that the left wants a good economy. The only reason they’d want one is to make a Biden administration look good so they’d win again in 2024 but if he takes office, they will no longer need to worry about making the voters happy. Elections will be rigged from now on. So no need for a good economy.
missing word(s)?
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You don’t even need a good economy if your have a press that assures everyone that the economy is indeed great, despite what they see with their own eyes.
See Atlas Shrugged for details.
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You don’t even need a good economy if your have a press that assures everyone that the economy is indeed great, despite what they see with their own eyes.
See Atlas Shrugged for details.
I first read that book during my hippy days back in the '60s. I credited it with forming many of my thought processes.
But I was really surprised later to find out that so many liberal women that I knew loved it too. I finally asked why and was told it was because it had a strong woman as a central character. They didn't even understand that the book completely debunked so many of their "liberal values".
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I first read that book during my hippy days back in the '60s. I credited it with forming many of my thought processes.
But I was really surprised later to find out that so many liberal women that I knew loved it too. I finally asked why and was told it was because it had a strong woman as a central character. They didn't even understand that the book completely debunked so many of their "liberal values".
Those women now believe that Joe Biden has been elected, that he will “restore” unity and integrity to our land, that China can be fully trusted, and that Donald Trump has been looking out only for his own interests.
Idiots.
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missing word(s)?
No, that they want a good economy is the incorrect flaw.
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Killing roughly a 911's worth of victims every week.
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Killing roughly a 911's worth of victims every week.
All while deaths from the seasonal flu have dropped to almost zero, and deaths from heart disease, cancer and other causes have dropped dramatically.
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Killing roughly a 911's worth of victims every week.
Warning: fucking moron at play...
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Killing roughly a 911's worth of victims every week.
We lose 50,000 Americans every week, from every cause of death.
Let me know if the 2020 US death toll exceeds that average by the amount of the Covid death count. If it doesn’t, then we will know the death count due to Covid was fabricated to include deaths from other natural causes.
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We lose 50,000 Americans every week, from every cause of death.
Let me know if the 2020 US death toll exceeds that average by the amount of the Covid death count. If it doesn’t, then we will know the death count due to Covid was fabricated to include deaths from other natural causes.
In October the CDC indicated that there had been at least ~300,000 more deaths recorded to date than recorded in previous years. Since Covid-19 as a cause of death occurred on fewer than that number of death certificates, the remaining additional deaths might either be due to undiagnosed Covid-19 or a rise in other causes of death. The CDC data says, besides Covid-19, that Alzheimer, dementia, ischemic heart disease, cerebrovascular disease, and diabetes have all increased as causes of death relative to previous years. The source of my info is:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm)
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Those women now believe that Joe Biden has been elected, that he will “restore” unity and integrity to our land, that China can be fully trusted, and that Donald Trump has been looking out only for his own interests.
Idiots.
Gas guzzling SUV driving idiots with faded Hillary bumper stickers and now Biden, Harris stickers. Meanwhile enjoying all the benefits Trump has enabled including low ENERGY prices. The are bubble headed, shallow, perceived safety at all cost morons. The really sad fact is their husbands are worse. They've been feminized and controlled by their overbearing wives that watch NBC, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, PBS and think reading the New York Times makes them smart and enlightened.
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Gas guzzling SUV driving idiots with faded Hillary bumper stickers and now Biden, Harris stickers. Meanwhile enjoying all the benefits Trump has enabled including low ENERGY prices. The are bubble headed, shallow, perceived safety at all cost morons. The really sad fact is their husbands are worse. They've been feminized and controlled by their overbearing wives that watch NBC, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, PBS and think reading the New York Times makes them smart and enlightened.
You are speaking of pussies and their pussified husbands and boyfriends.... which is code for communist democrats.
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In October the CDC indicated that there had been at least ~300,000 more deaths recorded to date than recorded in previous years. Since Covid-19 as a cause of death occurred on fewer than that number of death certificates, the remaining additional deaths might either be due to undiagnosed Covid-19 or a rise in other causes of death. The CDC data says, besides Covid-19, that Alzheimer, dementia, ischemic heart disease, cerebrovascular disease, and diabetes have all increased as causes of death relative to previous years. The source of my info is:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm)
One side effect of the worthless lock downs were people who could not get medical attention due to hospitals shutting out everyone except covid patients and medical professionals unable to perform services. This has resulted in missed medical screenings and procedures and also contributed to deaths.
Add in the suicides and drug over doses from the tyrannical dictates of the various state despots that can add to that number.
Truth is we will never know the actual number of deaths due to covid. Many of those covid death numbers are people who died with covid rather than died from covid. And even the CDC has admitted that the number of people that died from covid, that is covid was the only reason they died, is quite low.
Figures lie and liars figure.
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In October the CDC indicated that there had been at least ~300,000 more deaths recorded to date than recorded in previous years. Since Covid-19 as a cause of death occurred on fewer than that number of death certificates, the remaining additional deaths might either be due to undiagnosed Covid-19 or a rise in other causes of death. The CDC data says, besides Covid-19, that Alzheimer, dementia, ischemic heart disease, cerebrovascular disease, and diabetes have all increased as causes of death relative to previous years. The source of my info is:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm)
A quick review of this (couldn’t read it in detail yet) looks like these are still mathematical estimates, not actual deaths through October. It will be interesting to see what the actual number of deaths look like compared to historical trends.
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A quick review of this (couldn’t read it in detail yet) looks like these are still mathematical estimates, not actual deaths through October. It will be interesting to see what the actual number of deaths look like compared to historical trends.
We won't get actual numbers until sometime next year, so estimates are all we have. Sticking to hard numbers, some sites don't even have finalized numbers for 2019 yet.
However, extending the known numbers it appears there is about 135,000 fewer deaths in the other major categories. That is roughly 45% of the covid deaths. The assertion that some people aren't dying from covid, but are being coded that way because they have it appears to be valid.
Covid is still major issue, but not as severe as advertised.
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Covid is still major issue, but not as severe as advertised.
It's not as severe as advertised by the media and by many politicians, but it is still more severe than many people believe.
I am very disappointed to see that it is mostly people on the right, including many on this board, Trump and our Florida governor that try to minimize it. That doesn't mean that I agree with the economy destroying liberals who are actually hurting the people they claim to care about the most.
The fact that the flu has practically disappeared is because so many people are wearing masks and social distancing proves that these steps can help. But the fact that so many people are still getting COVID shows how dangerously transmissible this disease is.
If people wear proper masks, wear them correctly, wash hands frequently, stop shaking hands with strangers and social distance we could lower the case rate and the death rate without shutting down the economy. But there are just too many people that feel they just have to do the opposite of what the other side says.
That said, the high death rate doesn't really bother me. Everyone talks about "herd immunity". I think we need to "thin the herd". I am taking appropriate precautions but I don't care if Darwin helps thin the herd. The earth needs to lose few billion people. It is having "too many people" that cause about 90% of our problems.
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The fact that the flu has practically disappeared is because so many people are wearing masks and social distancing proves that these steps can help. But the fact that so many people are still getting COVID shows how dangerously transmissible this disease is.
well, isn't there a reason we talk about the flu season rather than the flu cases in a calendar year? Yes, the CDC says that the flu is lower this season, but it doesn't it's gone.
We haven't got into the peaks months for flu season yet... so I'm not sure we conclude "that the flu has practically disappeared".
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If people wear proper masks, wear them correctly, wash hands frequently, stop shaking hands with strangers and social distance we could lower the case rate and the death rate without shutting down the economy. But there are just too many people that feel they just have to do the opposite of what the other side says.
I don't know what's happening where you are, but I see nobody not doing these things. I'm not out all the time, but I go to the store a few times a week and get out of the house and drive around. People are wearing masks, nobody is shaking hands and people are washing their hands, just like they have for months
Despite a basically unchanged level of compliance to these steps, the number of cases/100,000 in NC has doubled in just 3 weeks and in some states it's worse. That's not because people stopped wearing masks.
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A coworker’s mother died yesterday. She was a healthy and active 80 year old with no pre existing conditions and lived alone. No, she did not die of covid.
On Saturday she had some chest pain. She thought she might be having a heart attack and thought maybe she should go to her doctor or to the ER but decided not to go anywhere because she was afraid of covid. Sunday night her son came over and found her pale and confused, and called an ambulance. At the hospital they discovered she indeed had had a heart attack and had developed internal bleeding, fluid in the lungs and the damage was too far gone, there was nothing they could do but make her comfortable.
If she had gone in when she first had symptoms she likely would have survived. This is a death caused by shutdown hysteria. Anybody keeping a tally? I thought not.
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The fact that the flu has practically disappeared is because so many people are wearing masks and social distancing proves that these steps can help. But the fact that so many people are still getting COVID shows how dangerously transmissible this disease is.
So you are saying the flu and COVID do not transmit the same way. ::)
Do you not see the folly of that statement?
I see somewhere around 95% of people wearing masks. Please school me on how a hug transmits the virus. I've shaken hands, then gone and washed my hands or used sanitizer.
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A coworker’s mother died yesterday. She was a healthy and active 80 year old with no pre existing conditions and lived alone. No, she did not die of covid.
On Saturday she had some chest pain. She thought she might be having a heart attack and thought maybe she should go to her doctor or to the ER but decided not to go anywhere because she was afraid of covid. Sunday night her son came over and found her pale and confused, and called an ambulance. At the hospital they discovered she indeed had had a heart attack and had developed internal bleeding, fluid in the lungs and the damage was too far gone, there was nothing they could do but make her comfortable.
If she had gone in when she first had symptoms she likely would have survived. This is a death caused by shutdown hysteria. Anybody keeping a tally? I thought not.
Just damn :'(
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So you are saying the flu and COVID do not transmit the same way. ::)
No, I didn't say that.
And my absolute, worst phrase to hear on the internet is "so, you are saying . . . ]
Do you not see the folly of that statement?
No, I don't. They are both viruses. One is more virulent than the other. (I don't know if "virulent" is the right word here, but it sounded good.
I see somewhere around 95% of people wearing masks.
I used to see that around here, but for the past few months it has been slacking off.
Yesterday I was in the BBQ grill store. Nobody was wearing masks. Same for the Motorcycle shop where I was having my wife's scooter fixed.
The day before I was returning something to SAM's and all three people behind the service desk had their masks below their noses.
When we go to a restaurant, we always sit outside. We can do that down here. Most of the other people sit inside and they might put their masks on as they walk through and take them off immediately as they sit. Then they stand up to leave and put their masks on as they walk through the restaurant.
I had some tree guys out the other day and none of them wore masks. Even the supervisor that immediately walked up to me and shook hands. There was no washing and sanitizing (on his part) afterwards.
I even went into a healthfood store. Nobody in there was wearing masks. The owner is an avowed Trump supporter, which doesn't bother me except that they weren't wearing masks.
Please school me on how a hug transmits the virus.
The virus is all over their face and clothes and hands. Odds are they are breathing when they hug you.
I've shaken hands, then gone and washed my hands or used sanitizer.
I always try to do that, but I don't carry soap and water and sanitizer in my pocket. I have often caught myself touching my nose and face after shaking hands or opening doors in stores or making contact with other people or surfaces.
And aren't you the one that refused to go into a grocery store because they wanted you to wear a mask? You do know they will give you one if you ask, right? IF you refuse to wear a mask in a grocery store, how are we to believe that you wash and sanitize your hands every time you touch someone?
Look, I'm not a fanatic about it. I have forgotten to take a mask to stores and went in. I don't always wash and sanitize immediately. If someone offers me their hand I shake it and try to clean up later. But you can't tell me that everyone takes even the most casual precautions that could help reduce the transmission.
The only thing about all those people going to the hospital and dying are that it gives politicians ammunition to take our real freedoms away. I don't really care if all those people die. That is their right. But I don't want to see politicians destroy our economy because people won't take the minor steps needed to prevent that.
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I believe you are vastly overthinking this. The virus is not easily transferred from surfaces. When I hug someone I am not face to face with them. My youngest son is 46 and lives locally. We spent a good part of the weekend with him and his family as my grandson was in a soccer tournament. Since all of this started he has never declined to hug me. He is a Bernie Bro and wears his mask into stores and other places, yet is not afraid to hug his father and his mother. I did talk about not going into Publix because a mask was now required. Today I went to Aldi and Kroger, across the street from each other, without a mask.
Since restaurants opened back up here we have dined in well over seventy times now. I have watched the protocols change during this time. We started with limited capacity. Now we are at near full capacity. Restaurants with booths have installed plexi barriers between booths so the can use them all. Table are space for social distancing, servers wear masks. Now we see salt and pepper shakers used again instead of the little packets of salt and pepper. I've bee in numerous stores without a mask. Costco won't let me through the door without a mask, fortunately we only go there once a month or less. Whenever I shop I work to not get face to face with anyone and not touch other customers. I keep my distance and when passing folks in an aisle I can turn my back to them.
We've also been going to the movies one to three times per week. The theaters (AMC) are doing a great job of sanitizing and keeping us safe as are the restaurants. What restaurant wants to get a reputation of getting it's patrons sick.
We do have to wear a mask in the lobby of the theater. I wear a mask when I go to the doctors office.
I restarted our EAA Chapter Youth Program back in July. I have mentors that will not come back yet, but I have several mentors that have been coming on a regular basis. Masks are optional, most mentors wear a mask, a majority of the youth wear a mask. We take everyone's temperature when they arrive. We tell them if they do not feel good, do not come. They abide by that. Our chapter has also resumed pancake breakfasts for several months now.
If you have other complicating health issues, definitely be extremely careful. The virus is not a death sentence as evidenced by our President and others that have gotten it and survived, Rudy being the latest, and he is no sterling example good health.