PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on March 27, 2024, 11:15:36 AM
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Does not seem to be associated with regular Angel Flight.
https://www.elevatedaccess.org/
“All of our pilots complete a vetting process to confirm they align with our mission and goals.”
Republicans need not apply!
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good grief
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Does not seem to be associated with regular Angel Flight.
https://www.elevatedaccess.org/
“All of our pilots complete a vetting process to confirm they align with our mission and goals.”
Republicans need not apply!
The right to associate (or not) with others of like interests seems reasonable to me.
What's your position on animal rescue flights?
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The right to associate (or not) with others of like interests seems reasonable to me.
What's your position on animal rescue flights?
Do you mean that if I want to start a social club of White Christian men, it is ok to exclude blacks and Jews and women?
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The right to associate (or not) with others of like interests seems reasonable to me.
What's your position on animal rescue flights?
Must love dogs or you can’t fly with us.
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The right to associate (or not) with others of like interests seems reasonable to me.
What's your position on animal rescue flights?
so they'd turn down a free flight if the pilot/owner didn't share their beliefs?
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Do you mean that if I want to start a social club of White Christian men, it is ok to exclude blacks and Jews and women?
Ok with me.
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so they'd turn down a free flight if the pilot/owner didn't share their beliefs?
Apparently. Not only must you “align with their mission and goals”, you must undergo sensitivity training so as not to offend your passenger, like misgendering them, or talking to them at all.
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Well, that cuts me out.
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Well, that cuts me out.
Me too. I actually have no problem with them existing per se. Adults have a right to have transgender surgery (aka mutilate themselves; it should be illegal for children) so if an adult needs a ride, fine. I still wouldn’t pilot them though because I personally believe trans surgeries are not the panacea they pretend to be, are wrought with complications and just an overall terrible idea, so I could never enable them.
As for abortion I could never enable that either (rare exception of a severely deformed fetus). I am not going to fly someone so they can have their healthy baby killed. Hell no, no way. But abortion is a state issue, and as such I have a problem with a state outlawing travel to another state to have a procedure which is legal in that other state. That seems unconstitutional to me. So the rise of a service like this is inevitable in that context so these women can anonymously travel. I might not be happy with these pilots, nor respect them, but I would be opposed to outlawing what they’re doing. We have freedom of travel between states and the right not to have government tracking our whereabouts and what we’re up to.
I do kinda have a problem with them being a non-profit and writing it off as charity like regular Angel Flight. Abortions and trans surgeries are NOT necessary medical treatment, and should not be supported in any way by taxpayers, which they are if you’re giving them a tax write off.
This is nothing like flying cancer patients around like my husband did. The implication of a comparison is kind of offensive.
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Do you mean that if I want to start a social club of White Christian men, it is ok to exclude blacks and Jews and women?
Blacks and women have organizations and functions that exclude White people and White males all the time. Is that ok?
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Me too. I actually have no problem with them existing per se. Adults have a right to have transgender surgery (aka mutilate themselves; it should be illegal for children) so if an adult needs a ride, fine.
As long as you mean adults having the surgery at their own expense, I agree with everything you said. It disgusts me but its none of my business, as long as I don't have to subsidize it.
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Blacks and women have organizations and functions that exclude White people and White males all the time. Is that ok?
Like Jim said, "Ok with me". My point is that its already hypocritical in that they can but we can't.
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I have a very long story about a guy that worked for me at the Technical School as an instructor that had the surgery. He was a big, not especially good looking guy, that got turned into a big, not especially good looking woman. He hadn't been with us long enough to qualify for a medical leave of absence.
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I have a very long story about a guy that worked for me at the Technical School as an instructor that had the surgery. He was a big, not especially good looking guy, that got turned into a big, not especially good looking woman. He hadn't been with us long enough to qualify for a medical leave of absence.
I don’t suppose you were close enough to him to know how it went and if he had any regrets?
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As long as you mean adults having the surgery at their own expense, I agree with everything you said. It disgusts me but its none of my business, as long as I don't have to subsidize it.
I agree. I have a problem with medical insurance paying for it because that means we subsidize it, and don’t get me started with Medicare and Medicaid. Insurance won’t pay for purely cosmetic elective surgeries and I consider this that. There is no physical, medical reason to have transition surgery and in fact it often makes you far worse off medically.
The idea that it is necessary for mental health is based on a deep misunderstanding of gender dysphoria. People used to think (and I was one of them) that making the physical genitalia match what your mind wants to be would cure your unhappiness, and in a few cases maybe it does, but there is growing evidence that it more often does not. Not the least of reasons why is the fact that a trans penis is NOT a penis and a trans vagina is NOT a vagina. They do not look, function, or smell like the real thing.
The best you can hope for is a cosmetic somewhat approximation superficially. For that you trade away your natural hormones (ovaries and testicles removed), your body’s natural ability to keep the area clean and functioning, and very often the ability to orgasm or feel anything sexually down there. If you’re an adult and you are fully informed of these realities and can pay for it yourself, go for it! I’ll have no part in helping you.
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I don’t suppose you were close enough to him to know how it went and if he had any regrets?
Yeah, NO
It would be a story to tell in person. Too long to type out here.
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I do kinda have a problem with them being a non-profit and writing it off as charity like regular Angel Flight.
But if taxation is extortion, then it is a form of coercion. Thus I think all reduction of coercion, no matter how selective or how much we may dislike the reason for the reduction, is good morally.
Otherwise one is advocating for coercion of some people but not others.
These are the sort of moral conundra created by having the state involved in everyone else’s business.
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But if taxation is extortion, then it is a form of coercion. Thus I think all reduction of coercion, no matter how selective or how much we may dislike the reason for the reduction, is good morally.
Otherwise one is advocating for coercion of some people but not others.
I agree in theory. In reality there are all kinds of unfair tax law loopholes that favor one group over another, yet I believe it is moral to try to reduce your own taxes by taking advantage of any legal loophole you can. However, by extension this would also apply to cheating. If taxation is immoral and extortion, then “the law” is not moral and we are therefore not obliged to obey it.
I’m not saying that is my position. I am not an anarchist. I am a pragmatic libertarian. Small government and very low tax rate if needed at all is ideal which of course we are far from right now.
These are the sort of moral conundra created by having the state involved in everyone else’s business.
Agree!