PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: nddons on May 04, 2016, 09:18:36 AM
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"We are strangers in our own party – not because the voters don’t agree with us on the issues – but because those who disagree with us in private have the power to manipulate the electorate in public every time. No candidate is perfect and some conservative candidates make mistakes, but so do the others. The difference is the media serves as a missile defense system against our attacks on their guys and as a delivery system for their attacks on our candidates.
"I’ve seen too many good men run for We the People only to be savaged and dehumanized by their opponents and the media. The media running with the scandalous and brain dead meme of “Lyin’ Ted” is nothing new and no different from what I saw when McConnell successfully labeled Matt Bevin as “Bailout Bevin” and when Bryan Smith (running against Mike Simpson in Idaho) was successfully tainted as a “liberal trial lawyer.” These people, cheered on by the media, engage in the most grotesque form of projection and destroy our candidates, but they never beat us on the issues. Quite the contrary, they run on our issues. "
- See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/05/millions-of-us-are-strangers-in-our-own-party#sthash.TyL81ukM.dpuf
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The story is 180* out of phase with reality. The strangers in our own party are the voters who supported the GOP only to be shit on time and time again.
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The story is 180* out of phase with reality. The strangers in our own party are the voters who supported the GOP only to be shit on time and time again.
Did you read the article? That was kind of the point if the article.
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Did you read the article? That was kind of the point if the article.
Yes. I came away with a different conclusion. I'll admit to having brain damage from a car wreck last fall so that does impart some difficulty in understanding what I read.
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Too funny! The spin begins again. Core conservatives just can accept, or can't believe that they are in a minority, even in their own party. Cruz was the poster child. He made himself into the poster child for the far right. Did he win? No! Why not? Because he scares a majority of voters who are registered Republicans or lean that way.
Pure and simple! The country is not what you want it to be and it is not going to be what you want it to be.
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Did you read the article? That was kind of the point if the article.
FWIW Stan I too came away with a conclusion more like pilot_dude. The article appears to blame mysterious unnamed forces for hoodwinking those gullible voters, specifically when he said:
We are strangers in our own party – not because the voters don’t agree with us on the issues – but because those who disagree with us in private have the power to manipulate the electorate in public every time.
Worse, the author is essentially advocating removing the general electorate from the Primary process which would ONLY serve to make the problem with small groups of mysterious figures selecting the process with no transparency even worse, not better. You know, because we simple bumpkins are just too easily swayed - not because people think about what they want in a candidate, or find themselves agreeing with a candidate who says the things they want said.
It's almost the same thing as when the perpetually offended resort to saying the ONLY reason people oppose Obama is because he is black - it outright denies the possibility that there are substantive, well reasoned and logical reasons to do so.
Despite claiming it is 'not about Trump', the article is in fact about Trump and is meant to cast doubt on the legitimacy of his victory only to go on and suggest the electorate needs to be better protected from ourselves and the manipulators in and behind the media by instituting a more representative republican form of Primary.
Sorry, we;ve been there and tried it in the House and Senate for a couple centuries now and it is not working out as originally intended, we are being governed AGAINST the expressed will of the people, and have been for decades now to one extent or the other. Yes the rabble is angry but that is not their sole focus, there is more to this opposition to the powers that be than mere pitchforks and torches, there is reason and thought behind it, you just might not agree with all of it.
'Gimp
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Did he win? No! Why not? Because he scares a majority of voters who are registered Republicans or lean that way.
I will admit that the bigotry against Conservatives and Christians has become mainstream, but the rest is just nonsensical, progressive prattle.
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I will admit that the bigotry against Conservatives and Christians has become mainstream, but the rest is just nonsensical, progressive prattle.
As the old Dave Matthew song goes: "Its just you and me and we just disagree."
I am sure that it is ennobling to believe that you are somehow persecuted for your beliefs, but it was other Christians who didn't vote for Cruz that did him in. And don't forget, Christians vote for Democrats too, as millions of Hispanic Catholics will demonstrate in November when they vote for Hillary. Christian conservatives don't even have a lock on angry white men who have lost their jobs to Mexico and supported Trump in droves. Conservative, fundamentalist Christians are even a minority in Christianity. You are, and will be, consistently out-voted in any national election.
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The Pope is a socialist.
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The Pope is a socialist.
The Liberal Press ( a redundancy) LOVES him. Which is enough for me to believe he is a false Pope.
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The Pope is a socialist.
At least when it comes to urging the wealthy to pay for the church's disastrous policies in the third world. Not so much when it comes to redistributing the church's wealth.
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At least when it comes to urging the wealthy to pay for the church's disastrous policies in the third world. Not so much when it comes to redistributing the church's wealth.
Do as I say, not as I do.
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At least when it comes to urging the wealthy to pay for the church's disastrous policies in the third world. Not so much when it comes to redistributing the church's wealth.
That is the liberal way.
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The cynical part in me says the same wealthy, powerful entities run both the Democrat, and Republican parties. The Democrats are unified in the collective, consolidation of wealth and power that these entities want. Currency manipulation is a big part of their strategy.
The Republicans are less unified. The establishment is on board with the collective consolidation, growth of government, and making the populace more dependent and controlled by government, and thus its controlling entities. Trump at least is talking against the establishment, brings up economic issues jobs, trade, currency. etc. It may be a ruse. I don't know yet.
Our economic issues are the most important we have in this election. Not terrorism, not LGBT, not "gender inequality", not race, other distracting issues the Democrats are pushing.
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The cynical part in me says the same wealthy, powerful entities run both the Democrat, and Republican parties. The Democrats are unified in the collective, consolidation of wealth and power that these entities want. Currency manipulation is a big part of their strategy.
The Republicans are less unified. The establishment is on board with the collective consolidation, growth of government, and making the populace more dependent and controlled by government, and thus its controlling entities. Trump at least is talking against the establishment, brings up economic issues jobs, trade, currency. etc. It may be a ruse. I don't know yet.
Our economic issues are the most important we have in this election. Not terrorism, not LGBT, not "gender inequality", not race, other distracting issues the Democrats are pushing.
Trump is talking against the establishment NOW, right after funding McConnell and Republican Congressional and Senatorial Committees designed to aid incumbents and defeat challengers to the establishment candidates.
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Trump is talking against the establishment NOW, right after funding McConnell and Republican Congressional and Senatorial Committees designed to aid incumbents and defeat challengers to the establishment candidates.
I don't trust Trump. Never have, never will. However, I know what I will get with Hillary, and it is more Obamanomics, and failed social engineering policy designed to make this country like Europe or worse, Venezuela. Stock up on TP.
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I don't trust Trump. Never have, never will. However, I know what I will get with Hillary, and it is more Obamanomics, and failed social engineering policy designed to make this country like Europe or worse, Venezuela. Stock up on TP.
I just have to point out his hypocrisy when I see it, seeing as I'm being asked to jump on the Trump bandwagon.
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As the old Dave Matthew song goes: "Its just you and me and we just disagree."
I am sure that it is ennobling to believe that you are somehow persecuted for your beliefs, but it was other Christians who didn't vote for Cruz that did him in. And don't forget, Christians vote for Democrats too, as millions of Hispanic Catholics will demonstrate in November when they vote for Hillary. Christian conservatives don't even have a lock on angry white men who have lost their jobs to Mexico and supported Trump in droves. Conservative, fundamentalist Christians are even a minority in Christianity. You are, and will be, consistently out-voted in any national election.
Like I said, the rest was just nonsensical, progressive, prattle.
This election will showcase how tired the middle of the electorate is of the establishment, the whine-till-you-get-what-you-want, snowflake contingent, and the amoral left, who believe whatever they are told to believe, then go out and pretend they always felt that way.
Ted Cruz lost because the angry middle lumped him into the establishment crowd with the help of the Donald.
Hilary will probably lose to Donald if the middle stays mad.
As for anti-Christian bigotry, that is a factor in the Cruz losses mostly in the minds of bigots who are looking to have their opinions justified.
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I just have to point out his hypocrisy when I see it, seeing as I'm being asked to jump on the Trump bandwagon.
I will do everything legally in my power to see that Hillary does not become President. Yes, it is a pittance, but I will try.
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I will do everything legally in my power to see that Hillary does not become President. Yes, it is a pittance, but I will try.
Understood.
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Understood.
And if that means voting for an egomaniacal, narcissist blowhard, that allows his emotions to say stupid sh*t I will. I just think Hillary is THAT BAD.
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Ted Cruz lost because the angry middle lumped him into the establishment crowd with the help of the Donald.
Pure Bovine Scatology. Ted Cruz lost because (a) He concentrated his campaign on only two demographics, far right ideologues and evangelicals, and even percentages of them wouldn't support him, (b) concentrating only on "friendly states" and ignoring others, (c) campaign trickery in early elections that made him look dishonest, (d) using lunatics such as Glenn Beck to campaign for him, (e) constantly using religion and sermon type campaign speeches, (f) backroom negotiating and dealing to try to force a contested convention and win from behind, among many other things.
Whether anyone likes it or not, Cruz lost due to himself and his poorly run campaign.
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Pure Bovine Scatology. Ted Cruz lost because (a) He concentrated his campaign on only two demographics, far right ideologues and evangelicals, and even percentages of them wouldn't support him, (b) concentrating only on "friendly states" and ignoring others, (c) campaign trickery in early elections that made him look dishonest, (d) using lunatics such as Glenn Beck to campaign for him, (e) constantly using religion and sermon type campaign speeches, (f) backroom negotiating and dealing to try to force a contested convention and win from behind, among many other things.
Whether anyone likes it or not, Cruz lost due to himself and his poorly run campaign.
That won't stop the Cruzers from whining non-stop between now and November. Their fucking guy lost. I guess they didn't work hard enough for him.
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That won't stop the Cruzers from whining non-stop between now and November. Their fucking guy lost. I guess they didn't work hard enough for him.
Please save us from the bullshit and try a little content.
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Please save us from the bullshit and try a little content.
Take a hike, who died and left you in charge? ::)
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Like I said, the rest was just nonsensical, progressive, prattle.
Sorry! Just because you can't understand it does not make it progressive or prattle.
This election will showcase how tired the middle of the electorate is of the establishment, the whine-till-you-get-what-you-want, snowflake contingent, and the amoral left, who believe whatever they are told to believe, then go out and pretend they always felt that way.
That is fairly unintelligible even by your standards. Whatever you think this election will do, it is not going to validate religious fundamentalism. All those candidates are gone.
Ted Cruz lost because the angry middle lumped him into the establishment crowd with the help of the Donald.
Hilary will probably lose to Donald if the middle stays mad.
As well they should have as Cruz tried desperately to be part of the establishment back in the Bush administration but he was such an unctuous climber and socially inept that none of his coworkers could stand him. When it couldn't get his day in the sun the establishment way, he remade himself into fundamentalist outsider.
As for anti-Christian bigotry, that is a factor in the Cruz losses mostly in the minds of bigots who are looking to have their opinions justified.
Anti-Christian bigotry had nothing to do with Cruz's loss. It is interesting how being against Muslim extremism makes you a patriot but being against Christian extremism makes you a bigot. Being narrow-minded does have the saving grace of being less complicated.
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Pure Bovine Scatology. Ted Cruz lost because (a) He concentrated his campaign on only two demographics, far right ideologues and evangelicals, and even percentages of them wouldn't support him, (b) concentrating only on "friendly states" and ignoring others, (c) campaign trickery in early elections that made him look dishonest, (d) using lunatics such as Glenn Beck to campaign for him, (e) constantly using religion and sermon type campaign speeches, (f) backroom negotiating and dealing to try to force a contested convention and win from behind, among many other things.
Whether anyone likes it or not, Cruz lost due to himself and his poorly run campaign.
One of the many other things is that he is smarmy.
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As well they should have as Cruz tried desperately to be part of the establishment back in the Bush administration but he was such an unctuous climber and socially inept that none of his coworkers could stand him. When it couldn't get his day in the sun the establishment way, he remade himself into fundamentalist outsider.
We may not agree on much but I do appreciate your posts which make me look up the meaning of words :)
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Sorry! Just because you can't understand it does not make it progressive or prattle.
That is fairly unintelligible even by your standards. Whatever you think this election will do, it is not going to validate religious fundamentalism. All those candidates are gone.
As well they should have as Cruz tried desperately to be part of the establishment back in the Bush administration but he was such an unctuous climber and socially inept that none of his coworkers could stand him. When it couldn't get his day in the sun the establishment way, he remade himself into fundamentalist outsider.
Anti-Christian bigotry had nothing to do with Cruz's loss. It is interesting how being against Muslim extremism makes you a patriot but being against Christian extremism makes you a bigot. Being narrow-minded does have the saving grace of being less complicated.
For the most part, you've said nothing.
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For the most part, you've said nothing.
Really? I think she made a valid point.
Your mantra when you disagree with someone is they have offered "no content" or "you've said nothing" to mask that you really have no rebuttal to the conversation.
Different people have varying opinions on different matters. Engage in constructive dialogue rather than dismissals.
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Really? I think she made a valid point.
Your mantra when you disagree with someone is they have offered "no content" or "you've said nothing" to mask that you really have no rebuttal to the conversation.
Different people have varying opinions on different matters. Engage in constructive dialogue rather than dismissals.
You're not one to talk but keep beating the drum.
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You're not one to talk but keep beating the drum.
Thanks for proving my point.
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Engage in constructive dialogue rather than dismissals.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
That was good Jeff. It really made me stop and think.
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That was good Jeff. It really made me stop and think.
If Lucifer is the kind of guy that makes you stop and think, so be it.
I have laid out my reasons (http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=622.0) why I feel Donnie is a destructive influence on the country. Ever notice that Trump's supporters never seem to be able to provide a similarly reasoned case FOR their messiah? They simply tell you it's your duty to vote for him.
Sorry, no.
By the same token that Lucifer and his ilk tell us that if we don't vote for Trump, we're electing Hillary, I say, everyone who doesn't vote for Gary Johnson is voting to elect Hillary.
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By the same token that Lucifer and his ilk tell us that if we don't vote for Trump, we're electing Hillary, I say, everyone who doesn't vote for Gary Johnson is voting to elect Hillary.
That would be true if Gary Johnson were the only candidate that had a chance to beat Hillary. That was a truly childish comparison, and yet you keep repeating it and claim your comments are better than others.
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If Lucifer is the kind of guy that makes you stop and think, so be it.
I have laid out my reasons (http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=622.0) why I feel Donnie is a destructive influence on the country. Ever notice that Trump's supporters never seem to be able to provide a similarly reasoned case FOR their messiah? They simply tell you it's your duty to vote for him.
Sorry, no.
By the same token that Lucifer and his ilk tell us that if we don't vote for Trump, we're electing Hillary, I say, everyone who doesn't vote for Gary Johnson is voting to elect Hillary.
I'm not a fan of Trump and provided detailed reasoned case on why team R should vote for Trump. Whether you dismissed it or missed it isn't my problem so don't make it so.
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I'm not a fan of Trump and provided detailed reasoned case on why team R should vote for Trump. Whether you dismissed it or missed it isn't my problem so don't make it so.
Not talking about you, talking more about people like Lucifer who provide no arguments other than "Shut up and get in line"
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Not talking about you, talking more about people like Lucifer who provide no arguments other than "Shut up and get in line"
You need to expand your peripheral vision and not concentrate on Lucifer so much.
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The hard right conservatives ARE strangers in their own party because fewer and fewer people stand that far from center as generations age. Many denominations of Christianity have seen increasingly fewer members (Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists) as more move to congregations with less stringent views. Cruz getting such low support was, in my opinion, representative of that fact in addition to his poor campaign efforts.
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The hard right conservatives ARE strangers in their own party because fewer and fewer people stand that far from center as generations age. Many denominations of Christianity have seen increasingly fewer members (Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists) as more move to congregations with less stringent views. Cruz getting such low support was, in my opinion, representative of that fact in addition to his poor campaign efforts.
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Do you mean like Islam. The seem pretty large and are growing.
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Do you mean like Islam. The seem pretty large and are growing.
Let's keep the demographic located in the US, shall we? While there's very little useful data on the subject, the general consensus is that there are not any more people converting over to Islam in the US than there ever has been. However, the percentage of immigrants who are of Islamic faith (almost all having done so legally) is around 10% or so. So, the main Christian populace is shifting away from the stricter sects, while the number of immigrants coming into the country happen to be increasingly Islamic. My prior statement still holds.
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Not talking about you, talking more about people like Lucifer who provide no arguments other than "Shut up and get in line"
Fair enough.
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Not talking about you, talking more about people like Lucifer who provide no arguments other than "Shut up and get in line"
I don't believe I have ever read anything that Lucifer wrote that sounded even remotely like that.
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Do you mean like Islam. The seem pretty large and are growing.
So when I write "Christian" you read "Islam"? Fascinating!
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So when I write "Christian" you read "Islam"? Fascinating!
I was replying to Sooner Aviator!
Are you saying you two are the same people? Why would you do that?
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I was replying to Sooner Aviator!
Are you saying you two are the same people? Why would you do that?
No. I am Later Aviatrix. :)
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Finally, a candidate who keeps his promises!
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=815.0;attach=154)