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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on January 07, 2018, 07:10:28 AM

Title: The nuclear button
Post by: Little Joe on January 07, 2018, 07:10:28 AM
How many times have you heard liberals lament the fact that they don't want a certain Republican (Reagan, Trump etc) to have their finger on the nuclear button?

But now, after Little Rocket Man says he has a nuclear button on his desk, Trump responds by saying his button is bigger, and it works, the liberal press pee all over themselves pointing out that Trump thinks he has a nuclear button, but he doesn't.  There is no nuclear button.  What an idiot he is to think he has a nuclear button on his desk.

Just another example I guess.
Title: Re: The nuclear button
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 07, 2018, 07:28:52 AM
Someone should introduce the Democrats to the art of trolling.  ;)
Title: Re: The nuclear button
Post by: Rush on January 07, 2018, 08:08:20 AM
I've not been watching the news but really? They don't get metaphor?
Title: Re: The nuclear button
Post by: Little Joe on January 07, 2018, 08:13:32 AM
These were just the first two hits when I googled "Trump nuclear button"

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/03/politics/trump-nuclear-button/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trump-boasts-nuclear-button-52110347
Title: Re: The nuclear button
Post by: nddons on January 07, 2018, 09:56:24 AM
Lots of questions on Sunday morning talk shows about “Is this really helpful?” 

Yes, it is. It is appropriate to minimize and marginalize bullies, before they become irrationally empowered.
Title: Re: The nuclear button
Post by: Anthony on January 07, 2018, 11:02:21 AM
We wouldn't need to even use the nuclear arsenal on NK.  Our conventional munitions would be more than enough. 
Title: Re: The nuclear button
Post by: invflatspin on January 07, 2018, 12:41:35 PM
However, I remain quite certain that a nuclear strike on the US, or our close allies, specifically SK or Japan -  would result in nuclear destruction of most of NK. As a strategic imperative, none of our enemies around the world should be led to the conclusion that they could use a nuclear strike, and not suffer extreme consequence.
Title: Re: The nuclear button
Post by: bflynn on January 07, 2018, 02:25:49 PM
However, I remain quite certain that a nuclear strike on the US, or our close allies, specifically SK or Japan -  would result in nuclear destruction of most of NK. As a strategic imperative, none of our enemies around the world should be led to the conclusion that they could use a nuclear strike, and not suffer extreme consequence.

As horrible as the prospect of a nuclear assault would be, the prospect of anyone believing that they could get away with it is worse.  If someone believed they could get away with it, they would potentially try to commit multiple such assaults.

When I say that a nuclear assault would be horrible, remember that in a past life I was a Torpedoman's Mate on a nuclear submarine.  Part of my job was to load, stand guard over and if called upon, to make ready and launch nuclear weapons.  As part of my certification, I was required to directly confront the potential outcome of doing my job.  I am very, very aware of what the death toll would have been. 
Title: Re: The nuclear button
Post by: PaulS on January 08, 2018, 06:52:53 AM
How many times have you heard liberals lament the fact that they don't want a certain Republican (Reagan, Trump etc) to have their finger on the nuclear button?

But now, after Little Rocket Man says he has a nuclear button on his desk, Trump responds by saying his button is bigger, and it works, the liberal press pee all over themselves pointing out that Trump thinks he has a nuclear button, but he doesn't.  There is no nuclear button.  What an idiot he is to think he has a nuclear button on his desk.

Just another example I guess.

Don't forget these people continually remind us they are the smartest people in the room.
Title: Re: The nuclear button
Post by: Rush on January 08, 2018, 07:29:40 AM
In my opinion Trump's response was perfect. We humans are primates and like all primates the males tend to posturing, chest thumping; displays and challenges. If unmet they will escalate until they've achieved Alpha status. Kim Jong Un suffers from the delusion that he's an Alpha male, and he's not. There are at least three alphas over him (U.S., China and Russia). The most his ambition can lead him is to take South Korea and he needs to be reminded that the bigger boys will never allow him to do that. At least I'm hoping China and Russia would side with us if he tries. Although I fear he's so delusional and crazy he might try anyway. I would LOVE for the world to smash him and his party and set the people of NK free. I hope I live to see that.
Title: Re: The nuclear button
Post by: Lucifer on January 08, 2018, 07:47:52 AM
In my opinion Trump's response was perfect. We humans are primates and like all primates the males tend to posturing, chest thumping; displays and challenges. If unmet they will escalate until they've achieved Alpha status. Kim Jong Un suffers from the delusion that he's an Alpha male, and he's not. There are at least three alphas over him (U.S., China and Russia). The most his ambition can lead him is to take South Korea and he needs to be reminded that the bigger boys will never allow him to do that. At least I'm hoping China and Russia would side with us if he tries. Although I fear he's so delusional and crazy he might try anyway. I would LOVE for the world to smash him and his party and set the people of NK free. I hope I live to see that.

 The Chinese can end lil' Kim in the matter of hours and not a shot will be fired.  That is what Trump has been trying to accomplish (IMO) is to get the Chinese to put a stop to this.  It's closer than it's ever been.

 Can you imagine the world stage if NK and Iran are set free?  It would be the progressive's worse nightmare.
Title: Re: The nuclear button
Post by: invflatspin on January 08, 2018, 12:03:52 PM
I would LOVE for the world to smash him and his party and set the people of NK free. I hope I live to see that.

Just a word of caution, we tried that in Vietnam - and failed miserably. We also tried it in Cuba and failed(both started by lefties). We also had similar leanings in Iran with the Pahlavi regime and got our asses handed to us so badly we are still suffering the consequence. NK may be a nuclear power, but the best thing the US could do(and Trump is not doing it) is to more-or-less ignore the sabre rattling, and keep our powder dry. Kim needs an enemy to keep his internal strife pointed away from his own failures. Let him rant and rave, but know this - set one bullet outside of NK and punishment will be sure and swift.

Not to put too fine a point of it, but notice if you will - no recent border 'incidents' where NK has been the aggressor. No taking of ships, no shooting of planes, no breaching the DMZ. Even his rocket launches are not much different than our tests back in the 50s  and 60s, splashing down in the middle of the ocean. His military is on the tightest of leashes, and that speaks volumes about his actual desire to start any shit. We flew a squadron of B-ONEs, including some fighters right down the DMZ line in the east, and he didn't even lock radar, or send up some scouts. It's difficult to play a game of chicken when one is driving a 1952 Zaporozhets made of tin(google it) and your opposition is in a main battle tank.  ;)
Title: Re: The nuclear button
Post by: Rush on January 08, 2018, 12:26:12 PM
Just a word of caution, we tried that in Vietnam - and failed miserably. We also tried it in Cuba and failed(both started by lefties). We also had similar leanings in Iran with the Pahlavi regime and got our asses handed to us so badly we are still suffering the consequence. NK may be a nuclear power, but the best thing the US could do(and Trump is not doing it) is to more-or-less ignore the sabre rattling, and keep our powder dry. Kim needs an enemy to keep his internal strife pointed away from his own failures. Let him rant and rave, but know this - set one bullet outside of NK and punishment will be sure and swift.

Not to put too fine a point of it, but notice if you will - no recent border 'incidents' where NK has been the aggressor. No taking of ships, no shooting of planes, no breaching the DMZ. Even his rocket launches are not much different than our tests back in the 50s  and 60s, splashing down in the middle of the ocean. His military is on the tightest of leashes, and that speaks volumes about his actual desire to start any shit. We flew a squadron of B-ONEs, including some fighters right down the DMZ line in the east, and he didn't even lock radar, or send up some scouts. It's difficult to play a game of chicken when one is driving a 1952 Zaporozhets made of tin(google it) and your opposition is in a main battle tank.  ;)

Well Vietnam and Cuba, you're not going to succeed unless you give it your all: cut the war dogs loose completely. But you might have a point it might be bettter to ignore his tantrums, good point about his actual actions (absence of).