PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 10, 2019, 05:24:49 AM
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I keep hearing how Congress needs to fix the law to fix immigration. My question is, why don't the Republicans do this in the Senate? It is not a spending bill and can originate in the Senate. Would this not be something the Republicans could use in 2020 as the Democrats would, most certainly, either filibuster it or, if it got to the House, vote it down.
Why do you think the Republicans are not doing something?
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I don't think the Establishment Republicans want to stop the flow of Illegal Aliens. That is not immigration. Immigration is a separate issue. Are you saying the Republicans need to push to change the Legal Immigration process? I think they do, not to let in a flood of no skill people, but change it like other developed nations to bring in skills we need.
The Establishment Republicans like the flow of Illegals as the businesses that run them like cheap labor.
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Yep.
Establishment types such as McConnell will not bite the hand that feeds him. While the dims want illegals for their votes, the RINO's and Establishment republicans love that low cost labor.
Immigration could have been fixed between 2017 and 2018, easily. But Ryan and McConnell made sure it didn't happen.
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I don't think the Establishment Republicans want to stop the flow of Illegal Aliens. That is not immigration. Immigration is a separate issue. Are you saying the Republicans need to push to change the Legal Immigration process? I think they do, not to let in a flood of no skill people, but change it like other developed nations to bring in skills we need.
The Establishment Republicans like the flow of Illegals as the businesses that run them like cheap labor.
What would you propose the Senate Republicans write a bill on? Hire more Border Patrol Agents? Build the wall? Authorize more detentions? All of these things need money to run them. Even turning "catch and release" into "catch, tag and release" needs money.
There is a trick around this...although I don't like it. The Senate takes a dead bill from the House, strikes the entirety of the contents and then rewrites it, including changing spending authorizations. It's slimy and gets around the intent of spending authorization authority of the House, but courts have ruled it legal.
So what do you want Senate Republicans to do?
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Penalize businesses for using Illegal Alien labor.
Secure the border using any means possible. Wall, patrols, etc
Deport Illegal Aliens in a systematic manner. Set an annual goal. You don't need to do it all at once. Just put a plan in place.
Have a merit based Immigration System like Australia, Canada, UK, Europe, etc
Neither the Establishment Republicans nor the Democrats want any of this. Other countries do it. Why can't we?
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Penalize businesses for using Illegal Alien labor.
Also, penalize individuals. I can think of dozens of people that have illegals cleaning their homes and mowing their lawns. Set up an anonymous tip line so I can turn in my raving liberal neighbor that has both and is paying them in cash and not withholding taxes. I wouldn't need a reward, but it would probably increase the reporting rate. Then fine the person that is hiring the illegal (for tax evasion among other things) but more importantly PUBLICIZE their names and penalties. I guarantee you hundreds of thousands of illegals would get fired. Maybe some of them will go home if they can't get a job here.
The tip line could also be used to report contractors using illegals as roofers and other laborers.
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Also, penalize individuals. I can think of dozens of people that have illegals cleaning their homes and mowing their lawns. Set up an anonymous tip line so I can turn in my raving liberal neighbor that has both and is paying them in cash and not withholding taxes. I wouldn't need a reward, but it would probably increase the reporting rate. Then fine the person that is hiring the illegal (for tax evasion among other things) but more importantly PUBLICIZE their names and penalties. I guarantee you hundreds of thousands of illegals would get fired. Maybe some of them will go home if they can't get a job here.
The tip line could also be used to report contractors using illegals as roofers and other laborers.
How do you know the workers are here illegally? I can see problems with people calling the tip line and reporting workers who are in fact here legally.
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But this is indeed getting totally out of hand.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/border-patrol-official-caravan-size-influx-of-migrants-arriving-every-week-in-rio-grande-valley
Much media attention has focused on caravans coming across from Central America,” Rio Grande Valley Sector Chief Patrol Agent Rodolfo Karisch said at a Senate Homeland Security Committee hearing. “But the fact is that RGV is receiving caravan-equivalent numbers every seven days.”
Karisch said his sector has apprehended people from 50 different countries, including China, Bangladesh, Turkey, Egypt and Romania.
“People are traveling across hemispheres to attempt to illegally enter the U.S., using the same pathways as the Central Americans,” he said.
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This is a well funded Soros campaign to crash our immigration system and go open borders.
Make no mistake, there are many south of the border that are organizing and encouraging these people to come to the US.
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https://thenationalsentinel.com/2019/04/10/rush-limbaugh-on-why-migrant-invasion-happening-now-has-cloward-piven-plan-to-destroy-america-been-launched-to-stop-trump/
As I said yesterday, it’s kind of a derivative of the old Cloward-Piven plan to destroy the United States as founded. You know, the basic element of Cloward-Piven… These were two professors at Columbia University, leftists to be sure.
Their whole plan was to flood the American safety net, flood the American welfare system beyond the point that it could work. Cause a total breakdown in life-support systems and economics and, in so doing, you would inspire a revolt, because the government would soon cease to be seen as operating effectively. A, by not being able to keep the migrants out. Then not being able to keep them sequestered after they got in and not being able to keep them out of a job market and not being able to provide for all of them.
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The basic Sovereignty of the United States is at stake. The Globalists have taken over the Democrats, Media and Education. Using claims of racism, and xenophobia they have convince many we need to have Amnesty which is essentially Open Borders. The liberal/progressive never have an answer when you equate amnesty with open borders as they won't admit it is the same damn thing.
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What's the endgame? I can see that in the short term a flood of democrat-voters will keep the democrats in power. But in the longer term eventually those with means will leave to set up shop in a more accommodating country. We're seeing that in a small scale as hyper tax states such as New York and California are losing populations to lower tax states.
So the primary source of "other people's money" will cease to exist. The democrats will rule over a whole lot of people with no job, no prospect for a job, and no "government money" to survive. What then?
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Our president is swimming against the tide against all main stream media, all democrats, and virtually all republicans. And he’s doing it on our behalf alone.
The only ones backing him are the majority of the American public.
We need to support him like we’ve never done before.
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What's the endgame? I can see that in the short term a flood of democrat-voters will keep the democrats in power. But in the longer term eventually those with means will leave to set up shop in a more accommodating country. We're seeing that in a small scale as hyper tax states such as New York and California are losing populations to lower tax states.
So the primary source of "other people's money" will cease to exist. The democrats will rule over a whole lot of people with no job, no prospect for a job, and no "government money" to survive. What then?
A segment of our populace will not tolerate a one party Democrat rule Totalitarian regime. There will be civil unrest on a large scale. That is why they want our legally owned guns, and are starting with the one that will be more used in armed insurrection, the AR-15, and other semi automatic rifles that can accept standard capacity magazines.
For the NSA and others viewing this, I am not advocating civil unrest nor saying I would participate.
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How do you know the workers are here illegally? I can see problems with people calling the tip line and reporting workers who are in fact here legally.
A tip is not a conviction. If I erroneously accuse someone of hiring an illegal, a cursory investigation should resolve the question.
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Lindsey Graham says he's planning on introducing legislation after recess time.
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A tip is not a conviction. If I erroneously accuse someone of hiring an illegal, a cursory investigation should resolve the question.
From what I’ve seen lately, cursory investigations can nevertheless start false rumors which take on a life of their own and innocent people end up with a mob after them - if only on social media, which can be bad enough. And if you consult an attorney before you talk to the police - a very prudent idea in all cases - it will cost money.
Furthermore a tip line or a law mandating reported suspected illegals would have the unintended consequence of people racially discriminating against Hispanics, so that innocent legal ones will be hurt. People will just prefer to hire a white person rather than make a Hispanic “show their papers”. Big companies can just require all employees to prove citizenship but the average homeowner hiring a boy to mow the lawn or a cleaning lady won’t bother - they’ll just avoid Hispanics altogether.
In general anyway it’s a terrible idea to start having citizens spying on each other and turning each other in. I envision people calling in tips on neighbors they simply dislike. Call in a tip that you saw your neighbor hire an illegal to mow the lawn just to cause them harassment. How then will the neighbor prove they didn’t hire an illegal? There may be no charges brought but you would then be on a “watch list” no doubt. Such a person would then make damn sure they never hired a Hispanic.
It happens all too much already that false reports to the police are used to punish and harass people. I know of a drug addict who reports his relatives to the police for made up “crimes” as revenge for not giving him their legally prescribed pain pills. We don’t need people to be encouraged in more ways to do this. Tip lines have far too much potential for abuse. They should be limited to only situations such as the FAA where the public’s lives are directly endangered.