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Title: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Number7 on December 31, 2019, 11:22:27 PM
I hope for less ignorant corruption from the left, less racism and Jew hatred from democrats, less bigotry from the swamp and less government in general.

What say you?
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Anthony on January 01, 2020, 05:15:58 AM
Continued Economic Growth
Continued great job market/low unemployment
Continued low inflation
Continue low Energy Prices
Trump reelection

The destruction of the thought that Man's use of Fossil Fuel is causing Climate Change and the horrid economic "fixes" the LEFT promotes. 

For Democrats and the Media a to be held accountable by the American people for the Coup attempts on Trump. 
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Little Joe on January 01, 2020, 06:07:32 AM
Ok, this is going to sound trite, but I'm hoping for a cure for cancer.  I have had 2 close relatives and 3 close friends diagnosed with cancer in 2019.  Three of them died and two are still undergoing treatment.  And they are oh-so-close to an actual cure.  A "vaccine" (not in the traditional sense) is being developed that will teach your immune system to identify and attack the specific cancer cells in your body.

Anthony's list was a good one and I agree 100% with all of it.

I would also like to see a lot less name calling and insults and more actual factual discussion.  We can beat libs with logic, but you just make them more stubborn when you constantly call them schoolboy names.

I'd like to see the wall built and border security strictly enforced while opening up the legal immigration channels.  Currently, we are keeping millions of good, smart, honest, productive immigrants out because we have so many illegals here to suck up our social benefits and fill up our prisons.
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Rush on January 01, 2020, 06:21:18 AM
The end to low flow toilets and the return of the full tub top loading agitating washing machine.
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Anthony on January 01, 2020, 07:09:58 AM
The end to low flow toilets and the return of the full tub top loading agitating washing machine.

And LIGHT BULB FREEDOM!   

I'd like to see Cities, States, and foreign countries rescind their MANDATE of Electric Vehicles which many have already made.  They take effect in a few short years, and are artificially driving a market that is both unnecessary, less practical, less convenient, and more expensive. 

OK here are my real New Year's Resolutions:

Become Gay, Lesbian or Transgender (or all three somehow)
Become Black, Mixed Race (or both)
Become an Illegal Alien
Become a devout Communist
Become and Academic (see above)
Talk about "gun violence"
Glorify and be attracted to Fat Chicks and say they are so real
Watch Oprah
Learn Code and give up coal mining as a hobby
Be open to drug use
Put up a "Hate has no Home Here" sign on my front lawn
Buy skinny jeans and grow a man bun
Drink non fat, decaf soy lattes at some chic café


Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: TimRB on January 01, 2020, 09:33:12 AM
  We can beat libs with logic, but you just make them more stubborn when you constantly call them schoolboy names.

But that's the point.  You can't beat them with logic.  They don't know or care anything about it, and when they're presented with logical arguments, they themselves resort to name-calling.  I know this because I'm a homophobic, xenophobic, bigoted NRA member.

Tim
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Lucifer on January 01, 2020, 09:54:18 AM
But that's the point.  You can't beat them with logic.  They don't know or care anything about it, and when they're presented with logical arguments, they themselves resort to name-calling.  I know this because I'm a homophobic, xenophobic, bigoted NRA member.

Tim

 We saw a recent example of this on one of the drive by's by a poster.  Many here presented logical rebuttals which only inflamed the poster, to which end the poster just start throwing anything and everything against the wall, then left if a huff.
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Rush on January 01, 2020, 10:01:02 AM
Let’s talk about glorifying fat chicks. Back in the day most of us remained lean when eating the typical food provided by our culture and economy, but some people’s genes had them obese from the get go. We all remember the “fat kid” back in school.  These poor souls were mercilessly tormented and that was wrong. The movement to shame fat shamers is of good intentions.

But today things are vastly different. Our sedentary culture and horribly unhealthy food supply results in half the entire population being overweight. This too does not make it right to ridicule fat people. Obesity now is caused not by only having bad genes, but by being surrounded by too much of the wrong foods. Just like the atypical fat kid of yesteryore, the typical fat kid of today also has very little control over his situation. It’s extremely difficult to deny yourself abundant food when you’re hungry and it’s available.

But there’s a difference between “not bullying” and “glorifying”. What they’re doing today is trying to present obesity as normal, healthy and beautiful, and that’s simply denial of reality. Obesity is an unhealthy epidemic with clearcut causes, but addressing those causes is very difficult, yet that is exactly what needs to be done.

Michelle Obama tried and discovered that you cannot just tell people to eat unprocessed healthy fruits and vegetables, when they live in a neighborhood that has no fruit stands, all the high end restaurants have left, and what’s available is only McDonald’s and the schools are serving bland beige carbs every day. Because that’s what’s cheap. And that’s the crux of the problem. Wheat, corn, rice are inexpensive. If you eat meat you eat cheap factory meat, which is unhealthy and cruel to the animals.

It’s one thing to tell people to eat free range chicken and grass fed beef and quite another when the cost is two or three times. There’s a reason we ate ramen in college - we had no money.

The food industry gives us what we want and what we want is taste, and taste is enhanced with salt, sugar and fat. But most of the time it’s not full spectrum sea salt, and sugar is not only empty calories, it feeds the craving to eat ever more sugar, and it’s not healthy fat, it’s cheap processed oils or trans fats. And they must give us this taste cheap.

Whatever the solution is, in NOT government regulation. The worst possible thing we could do would be to control and regulate what private food providers do. First of all, the government has an appalling history of getting things completely wrong. They promoted vegetable shortening over animal lard, and margarine over butter, now known to be the reverse of healthy. They tout low fat and limited red meat which results in high carb and ballooning of our weight and chronic B12 and iron deficiency.

They promoted formula over breast milk for Gods sake!

The food pyramid is a manifest disaster. Mostly bread and grains - directly responsible for the diabetes epidemic.

No, the Federal government has a century long history of deplorable ignorance and politically motivated subsidizing that guided our food supply into the mess it is today, and STILL has people believing skim milk is healthier than whole.

So the fix is not government mandates. Even if they hadn’t proven themselves so incompetent and stupid, it goes against nature to force market managed solutions on a free people.

Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Rush on January 01, 2020, 11:00:14 AM
You guys actually read that bloated tome? ;D
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 01, 2020, 11:06:17 AM
Ok, this is going to sound trite, but I'm hoping for a cure for cancer. 

Trite?  Not at all, a cure for cancer would be awesome.  But I'd give the nod to a cure for Alzheimer's.

Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Lucifer on January 01, 2020, 11:13:38 AM
There will be no cure for cancer in any of our life times.   Oh sure, you’ll hear they are getting “close”, but that’s just hype.

Cancer treatment is a multi billion dollar industry in the US.   Think this industry wants to see something come along that will put them out of business?   

Cancer research is also a multi billion dollar industry.   Yep, they will keep saying “we’re close to a cure!” Because that keeps the money flowing.
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Username on January 01, 2020, 12:03:40 PM
You guys actually read that bloated tome? ;D
When we moved to Wisconsin my wife said that she's never felt so skinny.
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Rush on January 01, 2020, 12:08:17 PM
There will be no cure for cancer in any of our life times.   Oh sure, you’ll hear they are getting “close”, but that’s just hype.

Cancer treatment is a multi billion dollar industry in the US.   Think this industry wants to see something come along that will put them out of business?   

Cancer research is also a multi billion dollar industry.   Yep, they will keep saying “we’re close to a cure!” Because that keeps the money flowing.

This is also true for the $35 billion drug rehab industry. The last thing they want is for us to win the war on drugs.
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Little Joe on January 01, 2020, 01:49:49 PM
Trite?  Not at all, a cure for cancer would be awesome.  But I'd give the nod to a cure for Alzheimer's.
I would definitely agree with you, except that I hold out hope for at least the beginning of an actual cure for cancer this year.
Alzheimers is still a mystery and a real cure is years or decades or more away.  And that is a shame.
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Anthony on January 01, 2020, 04:00:52 PM
You guys actually read that bloated tome? ;D

I read all your stuff.  It's because of those pictures you send me. 

LOL!    ;D
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Rush on January 01, 2020, 05:30:16 PM
I read all your stuff.  It's because of those pictures you send me. 

LOL!    ;D

ROTFLMAO!!
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Lucifer on January 01, 2020, 06:34:13 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Mr Pou on January 02, 2020, 05:54:58 AM
Obesity now is caused not by only having bad genes, but by being surrounded by too much of the wrong foods. Just like the atypical fat kid of yesteryore, the typical fat kid of today also has very little control over his situation.

I get what you're saying, but a lot of it still boils down to simple choice, IE making the wrong choice. Go to the local supermarket, and look in the baskets of people as you shop. Look what's in the fit family basket vs. what's in the obese family basket. The source of their obesity will be obvious.

I just went to walmart.com. A 3# bag of Fuji apples is $3.22 and a 19oz package of Oreo cookies is $3.27. For basically the same price, which item do you expect to see in the obese family basket? I know what I commonly see. And it's not just cookies, but donuts and snack cakes and little debbies and chips and multiple cases of soda and ..........

These things cost the same (and really more on a per oz basis) as real food.
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 02, 2020, 06:04:34 AM
Was at the ER on New Years Eve and went to get some drinks. When I came back, the hallway was blocked by an ambulance gurney and a hospital bed as seven or eight guys worked at moving a lad form the gurney to the bed. At a minimum she had to weight 500lbs, although I'd guess more than that. They had used her bed sheet from home to move her. 
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Rush on January 02, 2020, 07:49:13 AM
I get what you're saying, but a lot of it still boils down to simple choice, IE making the wrong choice. Go to the local supermarket, and look in the baskets of people as you shop. Look what's in the fit family basket vs. what's in the obese family basket. The source of their obesity will be obvious.

I just went to walmart.com. A 3# bag of Fuji apples is $3.22 and a 19oz package of Oreo cookies is $3.27. For basically the same price, which item do you expect to see in the obese family basket? I know what I commonly see. And it's not just cookies, but donuts and snack cakes and little debbies and chips and multiple cases of soda and ..........

These things cost the same (and really more on a per oz basis) as real food.

Taste. Oreo vs Apple. People don’t have the willpower to choose the Apple. You are so right though. What really gets me is the obese mom with four already obese little kids using food stamps to pay for her groceries. The cart is full of soda, white bread, sugary cereals, and junk food.
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Lucifer on January 02, 2020, 07:55:00 AM
Processed foods.

 Go read the labels, it seems they put high fructose corn syrup into everything.  Even stuff like spaghetti sauce will have corn syrup and sugar listed in the ingredients.

 People are addicted to salt, sugar and fat.  That's the primary ingredients of most fast food restaurants (salty fries, sugary soda and fatty burger, as an example).
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Anthony on January 02, 2020, 08:21:48 AM
I get what you're saying, but a lot of it still boils down to simple choice, IE making the wrong choice. Go to the local supermarket, and look in the baskets of people as you shop. Look what's in the fit family basket vs. what's in the obese family basket. The source of their obesity will be obvious.

I just went to walmart.com. A 3# bag of Fuji apples is $3.22 and a 19oz package of Oreo cookies is $3.27. For basically the same price, which item do you expect to see in the obese family basket? I know what I commonly see. And it's not just cookies, but donuts and snack cakes and little debbies and chips and multiple cases of soda and ..........

These things cost the same (and really more on a per oz basis) as real food.

There is a lot of truth in this, and a lot of truth in what Rush says.  Good, lean protein is expensive.  There are a few exceptions.  EGGS, and whole chickens (depending on where you buy them) are inexpensive.  Ground turkey, bought in larger quantities and frozen is also inexpensive.  Vegetables can be expensive, but not too bad compared top fast food and if you pick the right ones much cheaper. 

I do agree with Rush that corporations and Media corporations have made it "normal" to eat and even live on a horrible diet of Pizza, Burgers, Fried Chicken, Mexican Food, Sweets of a myriad variety, Soda, Beer, and whatever else they can convince us is "GOOD".  Yes it is the person's fault ultimately, but many are weak creatures that fall to the constant bombardment by Media of all that looks TASTY. 

Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Rush on January 02, 2020, 08:25:18 AM
Processed foods.

 Go read the labels, it seems they put high fructose corn syrup into everything.  Even stuff like spaghetti sauce will have corn syrup and sugar listed in the ingredients.

 People are addicted to salt, sugar and fat.  That's the primary ingredients of most fast food restaurants (salty fries, sugary soda and fatty burger, as an example).

Yes, this is the idea behind paleo, not eating processed foods, and maybe not even eating cereal crops. When man invented agriculture about 10,000 years ago and settled in one spot to grow crops is when cavities appeared in teeth, and also led to epidemics because pathogens had a chance to spread through communities.  The original crops weren’t so bad when you ate the whole grain and they were not crossbred for things unrelated to nutrition. Even things like apples are now bred to have higher sugar content to taste sweeter. Primitive fruits were more tart.

The craving for salt, sugar and fat was crucial to survival in our primitive ancestors when food was scarce. Now our technology makes food production so abundant and cheap, but we still have that instinct now it’s killing us instead of saving us.
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Anthony on January 02, 2020, 08:35:46 AM
*****Plus our bodies, by design and evolution are pretty efficient.  It takes A LOT OF PHYSICAL ACTIVITY to burn a relatively few calories.  A good workout with cardio may burn off a Hamburger or only even 1/2 - 3/4 of that large Fast Food Burger (no fries) with cheese, bacon, and other stuff they put on it today. 
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: Rush on January 02, 2020, 08:42:57 AM
There is a lot of truth in this, and a lot of truth in what Rush says.  Good, lean protein is expensive.  There are a few exceptions.  EGGS, and whole chickens (depending on where you buy them) are inexpensive.  Ground turkey, bought in larger quantities and frozen is also inexpensive.  Vegetables can be expensive, but not too bad compared top fast food and if you pick the right ones much cheaper. 

I do agree with Rush that corporations and Media corporations have made it "normal" to eat and even live on a horrible diet of Pizza, Burgers, Fried Chicken, Mexican Food, Sweets of a myriad variety, Soda, Beer, and whatever else they can convince us is "GOOD".  Yes it is the person's fault ultimately, but many are weak creatures that fall to the constant bombardment by Media of all that looks TASTY.

We should not underestimate the power of how you’re raised. Babies and small children are hard wired to love whatever they are fed early.  (Generally. Of course there are individual likes and dislikes.) That’s what gets me the most when I see all that bad food in a mother’s cart. I want so bad to say something to her but I dare not be judgy to strangers in the checkout line. I want to say, “You are training your child to eat himself into diabetes.”

Even my own grandson, man o man, I really have to bite my tongue. My daughter says “he won’t eat chicken unless it’s breaded” (chicken tenders)

He will eat unbreaded chicken if that’s all you offer him! He will eventually get hungry enough.

And she feeds him goldfish (that’s an ubiquitous toddler food) and then he gets a rash on his face...once I tried to tell her “Get him off gluten and see if that rash clears up,” and naturally I got the business from her, “Mom! Don’t tell me how to raise my kid!”

One good thing, she will not let him drink soda. And ALL of this is a duplication of her own childhood! All those bad foods is what I fed her when she was tiny, and I never let my kids have soda. Later when they were older I went on a vegetarian kick and fed them a lot of healthy carbs but they were grown and gone by the time I got on Atkins or Paleo.

So anyway the point is, it’s hard to break generational habits. I fed my kids the way I did because that’s how my mother fed me. And so it goes down the line.
Title: Re: 2020 - what will we make of it?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 02, 2020, 08:43:53 AM
*****Plus our bodies, by design and evolution are pretty efficient.  It takes A LOT OF PHYSICAL ACTIVITY to burn a relatively few calories.  A good workout with cardio may burn off a Hamburger or only even 1/2 - 3/4 of that large Fast Food Burger (no fries) with cheese, bacon, and other stuff they put on it today.

STOP - I'm getting hungry...