Post by: jb1842 on September 11, 2018, 07:42:13 AM
JB1842,
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Here is something to think about - http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-al-qaeda-survive-20180910-story.html
So why is Al Qaida stronger than ever? The US military, the strongest military by far on the planet, and perhaps ever in the history of the human species, has been unable to suppress them. Why is that?
Sobering and perhaps informative to think.
Not to turn this political, but we are fighting with a rule book limiting our actions, while the enemy laughs at our rules and do what they want. And our military is still designed as a fighting force for large scale warfare against other large armies and the majority of our doctrine still follows along those lines.
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Post by: Number7 on September 11, 2018, 07:44:00 AM
Post by: jb1842 on September 11, 2018, 07:59:41 AM
Can I get some clarification? Nowhere in the rules of conduct is political/religious/spin zone material listed as prohibited. To warn me with possible suspension or ban seems a little overbearing over a post that is not listed in the rules that you sent me seems a little overbearing. How can you threaten someone with suspension/ban or even have a point system and punishment for a violation of a rule that doesn't exist? If you want us to abide by the rules, which I have no problem with, then it is only fair to put out those rules for all to see. It seems like you are making up a violation based on personal beliefs, not an actual rule violation.
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Post by: nddons on September 11, 2018, 08:05:17 AM
Post by: azure on September 11, 2018, 08:16:29 AM
This ever-growing list of things that get you "points" is IMO a huge negative about PoA. I still think they are a good place to talk about aviation, but the heavy hand of moderation is a major disincentive to free and open discussion.
Edit: I was wrong. If you look at the table below the prohibited items you quoted (Warning Title / Points Given / Expires After), there is an entry for Political / Religious / Spin Zone material. They should still put it in the bullet list though. Sorry... :(
Post by: jb1842 on September 11, 2018, 08:22:14 AM
You've got them... sort of. The result will be a revised ROC that specifically mentions political content (my prediction, we'll see). If they ban you for saying that, by all means say something here. I'll be surprised if they do, though.
This ever-growing list of things that get you "points" is IMO a huge negative about PoA. I still think they are a good place to talk about aviation, but the heavy hand of moderation is a major disincentive to free and open discussion.
Probably. But then they would pretty much have to shut down the Hangar Talk section, which might not be a bad thing. It just seems that it is fairly inconsistent with moderating, and some moderators have a secret agenda.
Post by: azure on September 11, 2018, 08:24:26 AM
Probably. But then they would pretty much have to shut down the Hangar Talk section, which might not be a bad thing. It just seems that it is fairly inconsistent with moderating, and some moderators have a secret agenda.
No argument there...
Post by: jb1842 on September 11, 2018, 08:30:40 AM
You've got them... sort of. The result will be a revised ROC that specifically mentions political content (my prediction, we'll see). If they ban you for saying that, by all means say something here. I'll be surprised if they do, though.
This ever-growing list of things that get you "points" is IMO a huge negative about PoA. I still think they are a good place to talk about aviation, but the heavy hand of moderation is a major disincentive to free and open discussion.
Edit: I was wrong. If you look at the table below the prohibited items you quoted (Warning Title / Points Given / Expires After), there is an entry for Political / Religious / Spin Zone material. They should still put it in the bullet list though. Sorry... :(
Exactly. It's a table of punishments for something that doesn't show as a rules violation. Their disclaimer at the top of the forums isn't enough in my opinion.
Post by: Lucifer on September 11, 2018, 09:33:30 AM
It was once a good place to discuss aviation, but now it's populated with a self righteous MEC who wants to control conversation and content while allowing a select few sycophants to do as they please without fear of reprisal.
The childish few who dominate almost every thread with their kindergarten and bathroom attempts at humor degrade it even further. Toss in the serial bullshitters and self proclaimed experts and when a thread gets started it quickly deteriorates.
Why bother.....exactly.
Post by: Rush on September 11, 2018, 09:42:58 AM
...thus safety the lesbian progressive moderator...
Mari's a lesbian too? I must really be out of the loop.
Post by: Rush on September 11, 2018, 09:44:22 AM
I'm fed up with them.
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 09:50:24 AM
Post by: Rush on September 11, 2018, 10:03:41 AM
If it makes anyone feel better I myself just received a ban there. Really don't know why. The only thing I can think of was there was a gun thread talking about a horrid case where a woman was being prosecuted for killing an armed assailant in her own home. I mentioned something about how state's rights were a rallying cry for some, and gun laws the poster child for unintended consequences. I thought the post was pretty neutral, and if that's all it takes, phooey on them.
I saw the OP post and read about the case, absolutely horrific what they're doing to her! I must have missed your post, have they deleted the thread? I looked for it but can't find it.
Post by: jb1842 on September 11, 2018, 10:15:30 AM
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 10:16:23 AM
I saw the OP post and read about the case, absolutely horrific what they're doing to her! I must have missed your post, have they deleted the thread? I looked for it but can't find it.
Dunno, I haven't been back since and I've no plans to do so. I am quite offended. Moreover, banning someone and not telling them why is at best unproductive, and frankly quite stupid. And if that's what it was, like I said it was as neutral as I could make it, and aviation related even. Can you imagine trying to fly in the CONUS if the FARs were different from state to state?
Post by: Rush on September 11, 2018, 10:34:32 AM
Dunno, I haven't been back since and I've no plans to do so. I am quite offended. Moreover, banning someone and not telling them why is at best unproductive, and frankly quite stupid. And if that's what it was, like I said it was as neutral as I could make it, and aviation related even. Can you imagine trying to fly in the CONUS if the FARs were different from state to state?
I would be offended too, banning without telling you why is really low down.
Post by: LevelWing on September 11, 2018, 10:36:27 AM
Post by: LevelWing on September 11, 2018, 10:38:41 AM
...thus safety the lesbian progressive moderator...What does someone's sexual orientation have to do with anything? I can see the political leanings impacting how they moderate, especially in the wake of the Spin Zone being shut down.
Post by: Anthony on September 11, 2018, 11:16:55 AM
It just seems that it is fairly inconsistent with moderating, and some moderators have a secret agenda.
This is why I no longer participate there. Like some, or even many here, I was in the first group that joined POA when it was started by Chuck H. It seems some moderators there allow their political beliefs, and agenda to rule how, and who they moderate, and admonish.
Post by: Little Joe on September 11, 2018, 11:53:52 AM
Dunno, I haven't been back since and I've no plans to do so. I am quite offended. Moreover, banning someone and not telling them why is at best unproductive, and frankly quite stupid. And if that's what it was, like I said it was as neutral as I could make it, and aviation related even. Can you imagine trying to fly in the CONUS if the FARs were different from state to state?Are you sure you are banned? Or did you just get the warning that I got? Your profile doesn't show "ejection handle pulled" as it does when one is banned.
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 12:03:42 PM
Are you sure you are banned? Or did you just get the warning that I got? Your profile doesn't show "ejection handle pulled" as it does when one is banned.
It was a three day suspension, though I am not in a big hurry to return. I am not in the habit of going where I am not wanted.
Post by: Number7 on September 11, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Mari's a lesbian too? I must really be out of the loop.
The entire argument about killing the spin room was over mari getting her panties in a twist when a few posters refused to agree with her interpretation about the lesbian wedding cake cake.
IIRC pretty much every member who didn't agree with her narrow minder opinion of it was banned when the pussies killed the spin zone and deleted everyone who 'they say' didn't play their ever changing lies - i mean rules...
Post by: Number7 on September 11, 2018, 01:06:34 PM
What does someone's sexual orientation have to do with anything? I can see the political leanings impacting how they moderate, especially in the wake of the Spin Zone being shut down.
You want to get permanently banned from POA, just disagree with mari about any issue involving homosexual rights and watch how fast they delete you. i suspect that the poor child is still positively livid at never getting asked to the prom by the hot guys, because they all asked the skinny girls with big breasts instead. Her antipathy for anyone who dares have a differing opinion was sickening.
Post by: Rush on September 11, 2018, 01:39:18 PM
The entire argument about killing the spin room was over mari getting her panties in a twist when a few posters refused to agree with her interpretation about the lesbian wedding cake cake.
IIRC pretty much every member who didn't agree with her narrow minder opinion of it was banned when the pussies killed the spin zone and deleted everyone who 'they say' didn't play their ever changing lies - i mean rules...
I totally missed that. My biggest issue with the whole wedding cake issue is that people keep saying "cake" and that triggers my pastry addiction. I need a safe space.
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 02:05:55 PM
Post by: Rush on September 11, 2018, 02:09:31 PM
The elimination of the Spin Zone was because the management council is basically lazy. They had to do more work to maintain the Spin Zone than the rest of POA combined. That said, the Spin Zone had more traffic than the rest of POA combined, I think. If not, it was pretty close. The Spin Zone was a third of the POA content, this according to one of the guys who maintained the site.
That's what I don't get. Why did they have to "work" it at all? Couldn't they just leave it completely unmoderated?
Post by: Number7 on September 11, 2018, 04:25:25 PM
That's what I don't get. Why did they have to "work" it at all? Couldn't they just leave it completely unmoderated?
Then how could they restrict the free exchange of ideas and risk mari being offended every time someone didn't cater to her narrow minded bullshit opinions? Seriously they destroyed the board because mari couldn't leave any discussion alone and then got pissy because people had a different opinion from hers. She needed to go over to the purple board and be a snowflake over there.
Post by: jb1842 on September 11, 2018, 04:29:27 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 11, 2018, 04:48:04 PM
But shew! Mari was “done” with me a number of times. But instead of sitting back and enjoying the discourse, apparently she and a bunch of other peeps were triggered, and complained that the conflicts over ideology in the SZ were spilling over into posts on the regular board. I suppose there could have been some truth in that. But, as we do here, ignoring it is perfectly possible. I will say that any spillover was quite equally distributed amongst ideologies.
PilotSpin exists because of the SZ stoppage, so it’s not all bad. We’ve been unmoderated for several years and seem to be doing fine.
Post by: Little Joe on September 11, 2018, 05:46:24 PM
I should start a poll over there. Let the users of the board vote on who should be a moderator.That'll get you banned in a heartbeat.
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 06:30:32 PM
That said, I suspect if the heavy-handed moderation policies by which I was victimized continue, the Blue Board will become like the Red, a sterile collection of crashes and stories you can find elsewhere.
Post by: nddons on September 12, 2018, 09:44:22 AM
The cake baking/florist issue was epic in the old SZ. I myself brilliantly argued the points for mutual tolerance and thus, mature and thoughtful interaction in all our dealings with one another as American citizens. :)Hey, missy. I’m a moderator and if you don’t watch your tone, I’m going to ... do nothing.
But shew! Mari was “done” with me a number of times. But instead of sitting back and enjoying the discourse, apparently she and a bunch of other peeps were triggered, and complained that the conflicts over ideology in the SZ were spilling over into posts on the regular board. I suppose there could have been some truth in that. But, as we do here, ignoring it is perfectly possible. I will say that any spillover was quite equally distributed amongst ideologies.
PilotSpin exists because of the SZ stoppage, so it’s not all bad. We’ve been unmoderated for several years and seem to be doing fine.
Post by: bflynn on September 12, 2018, 12:29:25 PM
PilotSpin exists because of the SZ stoppage, so it’s not all bad. We’ve been unmoderated for several years and seem to be doing fine.
I run a similar board for submariners - same story, a general discussion board, political discussions got out of hand, SZ forum, SZ shut down, I started my own SZ. I've been up about 10 years now with it.
Oh, and all the Liberals couldn't hold their own and also fled. There is one hold out, but he is highly ridiculed by everyone else. I don't think even Michael would be able to support a lot of what he said. For example, with earnest seriousness, he buys into the idea that Trump has caused Hurricane Florence.
Post by: Rush on September 12, 2018, 12:32:38 PM
I run a similar board for submariners - same story, a general discussion board, political discussions got out of hand, SZ forum, SZ shut down, I started my own SZ. I've been up about 10 years now with it.
Oh, and all the Liberals couldn't hold their own and also fled. There is one hold out, but he is highly ridiculed by everyone else. I don't think even Michael would be able to support a lot of what he said. For example, with earnest seriousness, he buys into the idea that Trump has caused Hurricane Florence.
Anyone connected with submarines, or just people who go out on them? My SIL works for Huntington-Ingalls, says he's involved in submarine maintenance or some such.
Post by: Number7 on September 12, 2018, 12:34:02 PM
The willing descent into delusion and mass hysteria is part and parcel of liberalism.
Post by: Steingar on September 12, 2018, 01:14:41 PM
Post by: Number7 on September 12, 2018, 01:58:45 PM
Conservatives don't cause tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes or any other weather phenomena. The policies they support do contribute to climate change, which can certainly exacerbate certain weather phenomena. Hurricane drought or excess comes to mind, with monster hurricanes being down on both the Carolinas and the Philippines.
Let's see...
DROUGHT... What party controls cali-forn-i-mexico? They haven't drilled wells, addressed their need for increased irrigation to increase crops, to provide food for all those illegal aliens they seem to embrace.
Oh, yeah... They haven't built power plants that addresses their exponential increased need for electricity.
Yep... You are full of shit, mike. Your post is all partisan sniping and nothing factual.
Congratulations. you helped prove my point about the mental illness that surrounds the democratic party and it's cult followers, like you.
Post by: LevelWing on September 12, 2018, 02:23:09 PM
Let's see...
DROUGHT... What party controls cali-forn-i-mexico? They haven't drilled wells, addressed their need for increased irrigation to increase crops, to provide food for all those illegal aliens they seem to embrace.
Oh, yeah... They haven't built power plants that addresses their exponential increased need for electricity.
Yep... You are full of shit, mike. Your post is all partisan sniping and nothing factual.
Congratulations. you helped prove my point about the mental illness that surrounds the democratic party and it's cult followers, like you.
Then how could they restrict the free exchange of ideas and risk mari being offended every time someone didn't cater to her narrow minded bullshit opinions? Seriously they destroyed the board because mari couldn't leave any discussion alone and then got pissy because people had a different opinion from hers. She needed to go over to the purple board and be a snowflake over there.I really hope you see the irony in this.
Post by: Rush on September 12, 2018, 02:30:50 PM
Conservatives don't cause tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes or any other weather phenomena. The policies they support do contribute to climate change, which can certainly exacerbate certain weather phenomena. Hurricane drought or excess comes to mind, with monster hurricanes being down on both the Carolinas and the Philippines.
No doubt man's activities have effects on the climate but how much is not at all proven and it could be just a teensy bit. Science has failed to demonstrate what percentage of change is from input from the sun and earth's orbit and and natural geologic cycles. The man made
The movement has no credibility. I'm not a climate denier, I remain open to the truth. I'm still waiting to hear it from a trustworthy source.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 12, 2018, 02:55:34 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 12, 2018, 03:17:20 PM
No doubt man's activities have effects on the climate but how much is not at all proven and it could be just a teensy bit. Science has failed to demonstrate what percentage of change is from input from the sun and earth's orbit and and natural geologic cycles. The man madeglobal warmingclimate change movement has disqualified itself because 1.) deliberately manipulating data 2.) jumping the gun to implement policies that have unproven benefit and disastrous unintended effects 3.) forming a close minded cult of green-ism that has become more like a religious sacred cow than objective truth and force fed that to our children at school and 4.) taken up climate change as a cause to justify grabbing political power, land, money and control over people's lives.
The movement has no credibility. I'm not a climate denier, I remain open to the truth. I'm still waiting to hear it from a trustworthy source.
But it''s made OwlGore $millions$........ ;D
Post by: Anthony on September 12, 2018, 03:32:40 PM
No doubt man's activities have effects on the climate but how much is not at all proven and it could be just a teensy bit. Science has failed to demonstrate what percentage of change is from input from the sun and earth's orbit and and natural geologic cycles. The man madeglobal warmingclimate change movement has disqualified itself because 1.) deliberately manipulating data 2.) jumping the gun to implement policies that have unproven benefit and disastrous unintended effects 3.) forming a close minded cult of green-ism that has become more like a religious sacred cow than objective truth and force fed that to our children at school and 4.) taken up climate change as a cause to justify grabbing political power, land, money and control over people's lives.
The movement has no credibility. I'm not a climate denier, I remain open to the truth. I'm still waiting to hear it from a trustworthy source.
It amazes me that the Man Made Climate Change zealots allow themselves to be brainwashed into a pseudo religion yet most of them also probably rant against Christianity, as well as anything conservative, or libertarian that doesn't look to GOVERNMENT nd more taxes, for ALL the solutions.
Post by: asechrest on September 12, 2018, 04:22:51 PM
I run a similar board for submariners - same story, a general discussion board, political discussions got out of hand, SZ forum, SZ shut down, I started my own SZ. I've been up about 10 years now with it.
Oh, and all the Liberals couldn't hold their own and also fled. There is one hold out, but he is highly ridiculed by everyone else. I don't think even Michael would be able to support a lot of what he said. For example, with earnest seriousness, he buys into the idea that Trump has caused Hurricane Florence.
What a lightweight!
Post by: Little Joe on September 12, 2018, 05:12:40 PM
For example, with earnest seriousness, he buys into the idea that Trump has caused Hurricane Florence.I read that in the paper yesterday. Later today, in discussions with liberal in-laws, they quoted that as if it were gospel. I remember when GWB was charged with causing global warming, along with every other crisis of the day. Then Obama was Pres for 8 years, and liberals don't hold him accountable for anything.
Post by: Number7 on September 12, 2018, 05:12:56 PM
I really hope you see the irony in this.
I REALLY hope you are not serious.
Blaming republicans for weather is as delusional as blaming republicans for the KKK, but delusional people like steingar do it all day long.
Post by: Steingar on September 13, 2018, 05:09:34 AM
Get your talking points from the Daily Caller or Faux News or whatever, they've been badly compromised by the fossil fuel industry. I take my view from the people making the science, they're not corrupt, they're not lying, and they're not wrong.
And I honestly don't give a crap what any of you think about it, because you just don't know. You weren't there.
Post by: Little Joe on September 13, 2018, 05:27:17 AM
Sorry guys, I was talking to climatologists decades ago, and they said this would be happening about now. I've never seen predictions be this spot on, never. California has always had periods of drought and wet. They're just getting exacerbated, more wet during the wet making more plant growth, more dry drying it out, bigger fires. Instead of a steady stream of small hurricanes we get a drought, and then a stream of big ones. Where I live the summers are hotter, and the winters, well they're utterly unpredictable.What did they say "decades ago"? That we would still be having hurricanes in the 21st century?
Get your talking points from the Daily Caller or Faux News or whatever, they've been badly compromised by the fossil fuel industry. I take my view from the people making the science, they're not corrupt, they're not lying, and they're not wrong.
And I honestly don't give a crap what any of you think about it, because you just don't know. You weren't there.
Florence has been downgraded to a 2. "Decades" ago, nobody would have known it reached cat 4 out at sea a week before hitting land. We have had much worse hit land for thousands of years now. What has changed besides better forecasting and breathless, 7x24 reporting.
Post by: Lucifer on September 13, 2018, 06:20:42 AM
Sorry guys, I was talking to climatologists decades ago, and they said this would be happening about now.
"Decades Ago' those same climatologist were predicting we would be in a mini ice age right now. ::)
I've never seen predictions be this spot on, never. California has always had periods of drought and wet. They're just getting exacerbated, more wet during the wet making more plant growth, more dry drying it out, bigger fires.
Those fires are getting bigger because the wacko environmentalist have fought back plans to clear undergrowth with fake studies saying it will harm the environment. The forestry people have been telling them that this will increase wild fires.
That's real science.
Instead of a steady stream of small hurricanes we get a drought, and then a stream of big ones. Where I live the summers are hotter, and the winters, well they're utterly unpredictable.
And that's how climatology works. The earth is ever changing. This has been going on now for hundreds of thousands of years. You are only witness to a small snap shot.
And I honestly don't give a crap what any of you think about it, because you just don't know. You weren't there.
This part is predictable. ::)
Post by: Number7 on September 13, 2018, 06:31:00 AM
I recall another breathless prediction that New York City would be under water by 2013, or so, but I was in New York City in 2013 and every year after and haven't seen water covering the entire downtown yet.
In the 70's all we heard from the make believe scientists was the coming ice age because of car emissions. When that didn't happen and funding was in danger, suddenly it was mmgw and the scam went on with a new generation of liars, idiots, and flakes like Mike.
It's fascinating how arrogant these supposedly educated people are, that when their predictions and proclamations are challenged, all they can do is attack the questioner, proclaim their superior intelligence and demand prosecution for disagreeing with their lies.
Now that the fake mmgw scam has dropped to thirtieth, or so, on the scale of public care, the voices get louder, the attacks get more focused and the lies get more general to cover whatever happens weather wise, in the neighborhood. Then to add another nail in their coffin, these same pathetic, liars, claim that the only cure for their made up crisis is more money to them and less freedom to live our lives without imbecile, ego-manaics claiming to know something they have no earthly idea about.
The parrot of the left is now proclaiming his unique knowledge because he claims to have heard one of them telling their lies. Of course he has informed us that he is the only one with a triple digit IQ and that proves his veracity - at least in his own mind.
Good one.
it won't work any more than any of his other idiotic proclamations, but it is an entertaining lie, just the same.
Post by: Rush on September 13, 2018, 07:25:20 AM
Sorry guys, I was talking to climatologists decades ago, and they said this would be happening about now. I've never seen predictions be this spot on, never. California has always had periods of drought and wet. They're just getting exacerbated, more wet during the wet making more plant growth, more dry drying it out, bigger fires. Instead of a steady stream of small hurricanes we get a drought, and then a stream of big ones. Where I live the summers are hotter, and the winters, well they're utterly unpredictable.
Get your talking points from the Daily Caller or Faux News or whatever, they've been badly compromised by the fossil fuel industry. I take my view from the people making the science, they're not corrupt, they're not lying, and they're not wrong.
And I honestly don't give a crap what any of you think about it, because you just don't know. You weren't there.
You might be right, but until your scientist buddies and the media stop lying, they have no credibility.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-global-warming-earth-cooling-media-bias/
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Hiding The Evidence
There was the study published in the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate showing that climate models exaggerate global warming from CO2 emissions by as much as 45%. It was ignored.
Then there was the study in the journal Nature Geoscience that found that climate models were faulty, and that, as one of the authors put it, "We haven't seen that rapid acceleration in warming after 2000 that we see in the models."
Nor did the press see fit to report on findings from the University of Alabama-Huntsville showing that the Earth's atmosphere appears to be less sensitive to changing CO2 levels than previously assumed.
How about the fact that the U.S. has cut CO2 emissions over the past 13 years faster than any other industrialized nation? Or that polar bear populations are increasing? Or that we haven't seen any increase in violent weather in decades?
Crickets.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on September 13, 2018, 08:38:41 AM
Post by: nddons on September 13, 2018, 09:16:58 AM
Conservatives don't cause tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes or any other weather phenomena. The policies they support do contribute to climate change, which can certainly exacerbate certain weather phenomena. Hurricane drought or excess comes to mind, with monster hurricanes being down on both the Carolinas and the Philippines.Wait - you used to lecture us that when we have sub-zero Wx and would ridicule global warming, that climate =/= weather. Which is it?
Post by: Steingar on September 13, 2018, 09:19:36 AM
Post by: Anthony on September 13, 2018, 10:08:32 AM
So keep the Cap and Trade schemes, higher taxes on energy, and more taxes and fees on products using fossil fuel. Government and GLOBALISTS will have to try another scam. In the meantime, the "Believers" can buy carbon credits to make themselves FEEL better.
Post by: Lucifer on September 13, 2018, 10:13:22 AM
In the meantime, the "Believers" can buy carbon credits to make themselves FEEL better.
And enrichen people like OwlGore.
Post by: Number7 on September 13, 2018, 11:19:28 AM
The diminished insolation caused by particulate pollution was real. The data were collected by two completely different approaches, they matched precisely. I rarely see science so elegant. Thankfully, governments began requiring their industries to reign in particulate pollution, and the consequences were averted. Let me guess, none of you recall American cities choked with pollution? I certainly do.
Don’t tell me, I already know.
You’re ‘superior’ now intellect qualifies you to demand consensus because.... because.... oh, yeah. None of it is true, therefor your hypothesis must be the gospel.
Too bad your lies have no basis in fact other than the occasional, ‘I looked out my window and it was cool today,’ and we are supposed to respect your ‘findings’ because.... because....
Oh, yeah. You have no background to support respecting your bullshit on this topic.
Post by: Steingar on September 13, 2018, 01:03:13 PM
Don’t tell me, I already know.
You’re ‘superior’ now intellect qualifies you to demand consensus because.... because.... oh, yeah. None of it is true, therefor your hypothesis must be the gospel.
Too bad your lies have no basis in fact other than the occasional, ‘I looked out my window and it was cool today,’ and we are supposed to respect your ‘findings’ because.... because....
Oh, yeah. You have no background to support respecting your bullshit on this topic.
The real pity with your constant stream of insults is it winds up silencing your voice. And that's a crying shame. You served in this nation's military, you put foot to ass to defend your country, more than I ever did. If anyone deserves a voice its you, but you drown yourself out in a never-ending dream of insults.
Post by: LevelWing on September 13, 2018, 01:14:48 PM
I REALLY hope you are not serious.I am being serious. You point out how others get "pissy" because someone has a different opinion and that's exactly what you do here with those you disagree with.
Blaming republicans for weather is as delusional as blaming republicans for the KKK, but delusional people like steingar do it all day long.
Post by: Rush on September 13, 2018, 01:24:44 PM
The real pity with your constant stream of insults is it winds up silencing your voice. And that's a crying shame. You served in this nation's military, you put foot to ass to defend your country, more than I ever did. If anyone deserves a voice its you, but you drown yourself out in a never-endingdreamstream of insults.
FIFY. YW. ;D
Post by: Number7 on September 13, 2018, 01:29:43 PM
The real pity with your constant stream of insults is it winds up silencing your voice. And that's a crying shame. You served in this nation's military, you put foot to ass to defend your country, more than I ever did. If anyone deserves a voice its you, but you drown yourself out in a never-ending dream of insults.
Mike,
I know this is hard for you, but you've ZERO qualification to lecture anyone about climate change.
For the love of god, stop believing the lies you tell so fervently.
The faculty lounge is not a fount of knowledge. It's a hot house of lies and pretend importance.
You keep preaching lies that no one buys into, except pathetic sheep like you.
Think out side the carefully constructed, safe-space of your peer group and see the real world. It will open up a world of reality, truth and experiences you can enjoy without the boot on the throat stupidity of your peers.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on September 13, 2018, 02:21:22 PM
And enrichen people like OwlGore.who?
Post by: Lucifer on September 13, 2018, 02:28:00 PM
who?
(http://i.imgur.com/gQiQxw7.jpg?1)
Post by: Steingar on September 13, 2018, 06:17:02 PM
Mike,
I know this is hard for you, but you've ZERO qualification to lecture anyone about climate change.
For the love of god, stop believing the lies you tell so fervently.
The faculty lounge is not a fount of knowledge. It's a hot house of lies and pretend importance.
You keep preaching lies that no one buys into, except pathetic sheep like you.
Think out side the carefully constructed, safe-space of your peer group and see the real world. It will open up a world of reality, truth and experiences you can enjoy without the boot on the throat stupidity of your peers.
First, one of these days you might actually admit that someone who disagrees with you knows something you know not. That someone is me, and I know scientists and our culture. Our data and their interpretation is as beloved to most scientist as your children are to you. Data are everything to a scientist, there just is nothing else. You simply do not understand how venal the insult is when you claim a whole field of scientists are lying. These are people who have worked longer and harder than most for far less material reward. We do for the love of science and finding things out.
Indeed, I think I’ll give you a really concrete example. There is a climate scientist here who used to get ice samples out of the poles. He went to get one out of a mountain glacier, and saw it was melting. His alarm was marked, that glacier had been there for around a half million years. He realized that if someone didn’t get ice core samples from these high places soon they’d be gone, and all the valuable information they contain with them (ice traps things in the atmosphere and can record climatic history).
He took it upon himself to do this. He didn’t have to, he was tenured and comfortably funded. But he realized he was one of the few scientists that could actually do it. So he and his team have gone to just about every mountain glacier on Earth. They don’t use helicopters, they don’t exist in most of the places they’ve gone. We're talking about hiking up step mountains with heavy scientific equipment. He worked so hard at this he literally wore out his heart and had to get a transplant. He didn’t do this for grant money, he had plenty already. He didn’t do it for notoriety, he had it already. He went to these places because that’s where the data was. And I know that because that’s exactly what he told me when I was an undergraduate and asked why he was always a schleping off to the North Pole.
Post by: Number7 on September 13, 2018, 06:29:31 PM
The entire fraud of the left includes mmgw, common core, conservative equals white supremacist, and all the other lies you tie together and post.
Someday you will come face to face with absolute bullshit that fills your mind and then you’ll discover there’s nothing left. You will have wasted your entire life with your arms wrapped around hatred, bigotry, fraud and devotion to wholesale violation of every basic civil right.
You’re no different than the Democrats that wrapped their arms around hitler then and wrap their arms around Kim un il now.
Post by: Rush on September 13, 2018, 06:59:30 PM
First, one of these days you might actually admit that someone who disagrees with you knows something you know not. That someone is me, and I know scientists and our culture. Our data and their interpretation is as beloved to most scientist as your children are to you. Data are everything to a scientist, there just is nothing else. You simply do not understand how venal the insult is when you claim a whole field of scientists are lying. These are people who have worked longer and harder than most for far less material reward. We do for the love of science and finding things out.
Indeed, I think I’ll give you a really concrete example. There is a climate scientist here who used to get ice samples out of the poles. He went to get one out of a mountain glacier, and saw it was melting. His alarm was marked, that glacier had been there for around a half million years. He realized that if someone didn’t get ice core samples from these high places soon they’d be gone, and all the valuable information they contain with them (ice traps things in the atmosphere and can record climatic history).
He took it upon himself to do this. He didn’t have to, he was tenured and comfortably funded. But he realized he was one of the few scientists that could actually do it. So he and his team have gone to just about every mountain glacier on Earth. They don’t use helicopters, they don’t exist in most of the places they’ve gone. We're talking about hiking up step mountains with heavy scientific equipment. He worked so hard at this he literally wore out his heart and had to get a transplant. He didn’t do this for grant money, he had plenty already. He didn’t do it for notoriety, he had it already. He went to these places because that’s where the data was. And I know that because that’s exactly what he told me when I was an undergraduate and asked why he was always a schleping off to the North Pole.
The problem is not the raw data. I'm glad someone is getting those ice samples. The problem is the computer modeling. And the massaging it all gets before it's given to the public.
Post by: Number7 on September 13, 2018, 07:04:38 PM
The problem is not the raw data. I'm glad someone is getting those ice samples. The problem is the computer modeling. And the massaging it all gets before it's given to the public.
...and the agenda that turns everything into a money grab for Democrats and their ‘donors.’
...and the fact that solutions presented with the fraudulent findings never actually address the climate. They always address fleecing tax payers to make human debris rich.
...and the fact that the people promoting those solutions always exempt the worst climate offenders.
...and the fact that anyone dares demand unmassaged data is branded a heretic and attacked.
Post by: PropWash on September 13, 2018, 09:37:57 PM
Conservatives don't cause tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes or any other weather phenomena. The policies they support do contribute to climate change, which can certainly exacerbate certain weather phenomena. Hurricane drought or excess comes to mind, with monster hurricanes being down on both the Carolinas and the Philippines.
What a crock of shit you spew.....
Post by: bflynn on September 14, 2018, 04:45:04 AM
Next to southern Florida, North Carolina is the next most common area for storm landfall. It happens. We are not worried about it.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 14, 2018, 04:56:34 AM
Post by: bflynn on September 14, 2018, 05:04:07 AM
Next to southern Florida, North Carolina is the next most common area for storm landfall. It happens. We are not worried about it. It hasn’t happened for years and we are overdue.
Modern tracking of hurricanes is less than 50 years old and even within the modern period, we have different data today than we did even 20 years ago when they made a 3 day forecast and that could be 100s of miles in error. What we don’t know about hurricanes is so large still that any bubble in the data from global warming doesn’t even register as noise in the error range.
We aren’t that good at understanding hurricanes yet.
Post by: bflynn on September 14, 2018, 05:04:50 AM
PoA is dead this morning.
Weird, huh. Storm related? Must be Trump’s fault.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on September 14, 2018, 05:21:32 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 14, 2018, 05:25:35 AM
It’s been down since last night
Maybe the MC banned themselves?
Post by: Little Joe on September 14, 2018, 05:42:52 AM
Florence is hardly a monster storm. It is an ordinary storm.Awww, what a fucking shame.
Next to southern Florida, North Carolina is the next most common area for storm landfall. It happens. We are not worried about it. It hasn’t happened for years and we are overdue.
Modern tracking of hurricanes is less than 50 years old and even within the modern period, we have different data today than we did even 20 years ago when they made a 3 day forecast and that could be 100s of miles in error. What we don’t know about hurricanes is so large still that any bubble in the data from global warming doesn’t even register as noise in the error range.
We aren’t that good at understanding hurricanes yet.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on September 14, 2018, 06:14:04 AM
Has to be Russians.
Post by: Number7 on September 14, 2018, 06:37:22 AM
Florence is hardly a monster storm. It is an ordinary storm.
Next to southern Florida, North Carolina is the next most common area for storm landfall. It happens. We are not worried about it.
I understand that Myrtle Beach has begun to experience looters.
Once upon a time when a state of emergency was declar d, looters were shot on sight.
It’s time to revisit that policy, instead of allowing thee fear of being called a racist to allow this type of activity.
Post by: Rush on September 14, 2018, 07:56:17 AM
I understand that Myrtle Beach has begun to experience looters.
Once upon a time when a state of emergency was declar d, looters were shot on sight.
It’s time to revisit that policy, instead of allowing thee fear of being called a racist to allow this type of activity.
Just like with the deer eating our yard up. Damn things just look at us. Like, "what are you gonna do about it?". We can't shoot em within city limits. Hubby has started going after them with a pellet gun. Maybe the sting will teach them to stay away.
When Florence looked like it was coming for Raleigh, the first thing I asked my sister (who lives with 91 yr old Mom) was if her gun and ammo was handy. Not going to have any thugs break in and hurt our mommy.
Post by: Number7 on September 14, 2018, 08:02:49 AM
I understand that Myrtle Beach has begun to experience looters.
Once upon a time when a state of emergency was declar d, looters were shot on sight.
It’s time to revisit that policy, instead of allowing the fear of being called a racist to allow this type of activity.
Post by: Anthony on September 14, 2018, 11:33:15 AM
Just like with the deer eating our yard up. Damn things just look at us. Like, "what are you gonna do about it?". We can't shoot em within city limits.
Night. Crossbow. Thermal, or NV scope. SSS.