PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: PeterNSteinmetz on August 16, 2023, 08:11:14 PM
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Has anyone here fully read the latest Trump indictment? If so, what is your impression?
The little snippets I have seen do not impress me overall; however, the business of illegally accessing voting machines and records seems like it could amount to something.
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Has anyone here fully read the latest Trump indictment? If so, what is your impression?
The little snippets I have seen do not impress me overall; however, the business of illegally accessing voting machines and records seems like it could amount to something.
I’ve read it. It’s garbage, and an embarrassment to the legal profession. In normal times the prosecutor would lose her job over something like this.
The voting machine and records, the way the prosecutor has presented it, have no basis in reality.
Also, the timing of this is suspect. If this was such a concern, and criminal as the prosecutor alleges, why did she wait 3 years to bring it?
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I’m very interested in how the corrupt judge will deal with the corrupt soros whore fani Willis charging President Trump for things said in speeches in Wisconsin.
I’ll be interested to see how they avoid explaining why sleazebag Stacy abrams and hilary aren’t included in indictments for suing to over turn elections.
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I’ve read it. It’s garbage, and an embarrassment to the legal profession. In normal times the prosecutor would lose her job over something like this.
The voting machine and records, the way the prosecutor has presented it, have no basis in reality.
Also, the timing of this is suspect. If this was such a concern, and criminal as the prosecutor alleges, why did she wait 3 years to bring it?
Because prosecutors can read calendars too. As Alan Dershowitz said recently, prosecutors are going for a conviction in the middle of primary season for maximum damage. They know Republicans will rally and support Trump more, he’ll win the primary, and then lose the General in what should be a walk-off win based on how Biden killed this country.
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Because prosecutors can read calendars too. As Alan Dershowitz said recently, prosecutors are going for a conviction in the middle of primary season for maximum damage. They know Republicans will rally and support Trump more, he’ll win the primary, and then lose the General in what should be a walk-off win based on how Biden killed this country.
I layed this out previously. Right now the hopes of the communist are to get DJT disqualified on several state ballots. By doing this means electoral defeat.
If plan A fails, then of course the next step is to outright convict and incarcerate him, effectively giving the communist the election.
And don’t doubt for a minute, if DJT is removed and a Bush league establishment type replaces him, they don’t already have a dossier on that guy and prosecutors ready to spring into action.
This election is not about who’s running, it’s about whether our country continues or not.
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I’ve read it. It’s garbage, and an embarrassment to the legal profession. In normal times the prosecutor would lose her job over something like this.
The voting machine and records, the way the prosecutor has presented it, have no basis in reality.
Also, the timing of this is suspect. If this was such a concern, and criminal as the prosecutor alleges, why did she wait 3 years to bring it?
Interesting. Certainly the other 3 did not impress me.
I am rather convinced of the main thesis of “3 Felonies A Day”. If the prosecutor wants to get you, they likely can. I am frankly surprised Trump has so little they can go after him for.
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Interesting. Certainly the other 3 did not impress me.
I am rather convinced of the main thesis of “3 Felonies A Day”. If the prosecutor wants to get you, they likely can. I am frankly surprised Trump has so little they can go after him for.
My guess is that Trump's decades in real estate development gave him an equal measure of experience being the target of litigation and what to do to avoid it.
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The other thing to remember about mere indictments is the old joke - “a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich”.
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I’ve skimmed through it. I also listened to Nate the Lawyer’s analysis. I agree with all the other posts in this thread.
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Because prosecutors can read calendars too. As Alan Dershowitz said recently, prosecutors are going for a conviction in the middle of primary season for maximum damage. They know Republicans will rally and support Trump more, he’ll win the primary, and then lose the General in what should be a walk-off win based on how Biden killed this country.
ANY Republican will lose the general.
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Because prosecutors can read calendars too. As Alan Dershowitz said recently, prosecutors are going for a conviction in the middle of primary season for maximum damage. They know Republicans will rally and support Trump more, he’ll win the primary, and then lose the General in what should be a walk-off win based on how Biden killed this country.
Given the cheating, why would the dems need to worry about President Trump running?
Perhaps it's to distract people from the cheating?
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(https://i.imgur.com/xec7cZG.jpg)
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Given the cheating, why would the dems need to worry about President Trump running?
Perhaps it's to distract people from the cheating?
Just call it an "insurance policy"............
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(https://i.imgur.com/xec7cZG.jpg)
Exactly this. The second statement is the cause of the first.
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https://gab.com/vaccineregrets/posts/110905018090006173
Right. Super critical rush and priority for the people!!!!
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Styx keeps saying if Trump gets a mugshot it will be made into a t-shirt and Trump will make $Millions on it, or just with donations. I have a zillion t-shirts and don’t need more. But I wonder if he’s right that will be a good thing for Trump.
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Styx keeps saying if Trump gets a mugshot it will be made into a t-shirt and Trump will make $Millions on it, or just with donations. I have a zillion t-shirts and don’t need more. But I wonder if he’s right that will be a good thing for Trump.
Of course it will.
State run media will display it 24/7 in hopes of staining Trump. But that will only infuriate and help him gain more support.
The reason for the mugshot is for flight risk. DJT is probably one of the most recognized people on earth, with millions of pics and videos readily accessible.
The Fulton Co Sheriff, the guy that dresses like a five star general, wants his 15 minutes of fame with this stunt.
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The Bee hits it out of the park again!
https://babylonbee.com/news/georgia-indicts-every-trump-voter-for-conspiring-to-elect-an-election-denier
ATLANTA, GA — In yet another stunning move, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has announced the indictment of every Trump voter on charges of conspiracy to elect an election denier.
"Those who engaged in criminal conspiracy to vote for that yucky fart-face Donald Trump will be brought to justice," Willis said as she announced the hundreds of thousands of indictments. "These MAGA voters committed the heinous act of disagreeing with the ruling elites, which threatens the bedrock of democracy itself. In order to keep Donald Trump from regaining power, we must deal with his legion of domestic terrorist voters. No one is above the laws that we made up for this indictment."
Democrats and Republicans alike celebrated the move behind closed doors, agreeing that returning to the status quo of electing leaders who would bathe in corruption and enrich themselves to the detriment of the public was in the best interest of all Georgia residents. "It's time to put Trump behind us," said Governor Brian Kemp. "We suffered for four long years under his reign of peace and prosperity, but those days are now at an end."
When asked how they managed to track down every Trump voter in the state, officials said it only required them to hack into the electronic voting machines to access voter data and create a list of who everyone in the state voted for. "Being able to hack into these machines and manipulate data is an important part of keeping our elections free and fair," Willis explained.
At publishing time, the Biden Administration had reportedly taken notice of the indictments in Georgia and initiated plans to roll out similar indictments on a nationwide scale.
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I'm in big trouble 8)
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Of course it will.
State run media will display it 24/7 in hopes of staining Trump. But that will only infuriate and help him gain more support.
The reason for the mugshot is for flight risk. DJT is probably one of the most recognized people on earth, with millions of pics and videos readily accessible.
The Fulton Co Sheriff, the guy that dresses like a five star general, wants his 15 minutes of fame with this stunt.
And he is too stupid to see how hard it will backfire?
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The Bee article!!! Not only out of the park, out of the stratosphere!!!!
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And he is too stupid to see how hard it will backfire?
Remember when Tonya Harding hired a thug to thwack Nancy Kerrigan on the knee? It’s like that. Thugs are blind to things. They just thug.
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I'm in big trouble 8)
So am … wait a sec, some guy in uniform is at my door …
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The Bee article!!! Not only out of the park, out of the stratosphere!!!!
Yep they totally nailed the mind of the TDS sufferer.
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Styx keeps saying if Trump gets a mugshot it will be made into a t-shirt and Trump will make $Millions on it, or just with donations. I have a zillion t-shirts and don’t need more. But I wonder if he’s right that will be a good thing for Trump.
When fuckwad biden used the term ‘mega maga,’ to attack voters that support President Trump, his term of abuse went viral in seconds and the backbone of this country used it as a Medal of Honor, and fuck, fuckwad joe.
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The other thing to remember about mere indictments is the old joke - “a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich”.
(https://en-volve.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/GA-Trump-Case-1200x630-1-1024x538.jpg)
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ANY Republican will lose the general.
Bullshit.
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Bullshit.
You poor deluded thing.
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You poor deluded thing.
Quitter.
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Bullshit.
You are giving up if you believe in election integrity. The real fight today is making that known to all and creating enough public outrage to get something done.
Ready to participate or still going to sit it out and LOSE?
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You are giving up if you believe in election integrity. The real fight today is making that known to all and creating enough public outrage to get something done.
Ready to participate or still going to sit it out and LOSE?
Well said. That’s basically what Styx is saying in the video Lucifer posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx2NHOsskjk&embeds_referring_euri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pilotspin.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title
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You are giving up if you believe in election integrity. The real fight today is making that known to all and creating enough public outrage to get something done.
Ready to participate or still going to sit it out and LOSE?
Bitching and moaning on Pilot Spin that no Republican can win isn’t going to do shit to accomplish your goal. In fact, I haven’t heard a single action that you lucifer, or Becky are taking to attack “the real flight today.”
In the words of Sean Connery in The Untouchables, “What are you prepared to do?”
My wife is a poll watcher through the local county’s GOP. What about you?
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Bitching and moaning on Pilot Spin that no Republican can win isn’t going to do shit to accomplish your goal. In fact, I haven’t heard a single action that you lucifer, or Becky are taking to attack “the real flight today.”
In the words of Sean Connery in The Untouchables, “What are you prepared to do?”
My wife is a poll watcher through the local county’s GOP. What about you?
Oh, I'm doing nothing, nothing at all.........
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My wife is a poll watcher through the local county’s GOP. What about you?
I have always wondered why more poll watchers aren't Republicans.
I know a lot of the poll workers at my polling place. Everyone I know there is a raging liberal.
Why is that?
I guess I'm part of the problem too. I'm not a poll watcher either. I'd probably get in a fight on the first day.
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I have always wondered why more poll watchers aren't Republicans.
I know a lot of the poll workers at my polling place. Everyone I know there is a raging liberal.
Why is that?
I guess I'm part of the problem too. I'm not a poll watcher either. I'd probably get in a fight on the first day.
They're activists trying to "change" the world, even if illegal, immoral, or unethical. The ends justify the means.
I applaud Stan's wife.
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Everybody around here is MAGA. Even the poll workers if I read them them right aren’t Dem voters. There’s not much point in me activating around here. What I am doing is opening a conversation with my liberal brother to see if I can at least get him off Biden and maybe consider RK in the primary. And try to get him to rethink siding with the left and it’s current woke nonsense. He’s kind of an old school Democrat. We had a moratorium on talking politics since 2016 (he was so pissed Trump won) but I’ve started opening the subject this year and he’s responded, we have found a couple of bits of common ground but he’s certainly not #walking away yet. The most I can hope for is maybe I’ve planted a seed of doubt or an opposing view he never heard because he drinks CNN Kool-Aide.
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I have always wondered why more poll watchers aren't Republicans.
I know a lot of the poll workers at my polling place. Everyone I know there is a raging liberal.
Why is that?
I guess I'm part of the problem too. I'm not a poll watcher either. I'd probably get in a fight on the first day.
Oddly enough,
When my wife and I signed up to be a poll watcher I discovered that the form was immensely invasive.when I challenged the county’s right to demand such personal information I was quietly told that the democrat committee collected every bit of info from the forms and used it to harrass republicans into not watching. It seems they would write to people’s employers demanding they be fired and threatening to start boycotts and all kinds of stupid, nasty things losers do to avoid losing.
Our local gop committee submitted complaints to the secretrary of state and the form quietly disappeared.
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Oddly enough,
When my wife and I signed up to be a poll watcher I discovered that the for. Was immensely invasive.when I challenged the county’s right to demand such personal information I was quietly told that the democrat committee collected every bit of info from the forms and used it to harrass republicans into not watching. It seems they would write to people’s employers demanding they be fired and threatening to start boycotts and all kinds of stupid, nasty things losers do to avoid losing.
Our local gop committee submitted complaints to the secretrary of state and the form quietly disappeared.
Wow. The Democrat left are psychopaths, I tell you. Maybe not your average working Dem like my brother, but the Dems that crave power and hate work, the kind that get on “Democrat Committees”.
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Wow. The Democrat left are psychopaths, I tell you. Maybe not your average working Dem like my brother, but the Dems that crave power and hate work, the kind that get on “Democrat Committees”.
The democrat party (DNC) have been hijacked by the radicals, who are Marxist. They are actually a small part of the party, but in typical communist fashion, they project that they are in fact the majority and everyone wants what they are selling.
This dribbles down to the local levels. And because the republicans are so weak and will not stand up to them, it only empowers them more.
All of this nonsense could be reined in if the republicans weren't so pathetic.
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The democrat party (DNC) have been hijacked by the radicals, who are Marxist. They are actually a small part of the party, but in typical communist fashion, they project that they are in fact the majority and everyone wants what they are selling.
This dribbles down to the local levels. And because the republicans are so weak and will not stand up to them, it only empowers them more.
All of this nonsense could be reined in if the republicans weren't so pathetic.
Agree completely.
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They won’t stop. Regardless if it’s Trump, DeSantis, he’ll even RINO Pence.
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I'd pay big bucks to see this!
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-to-host-live-stream-of-debates-where-he-insults-the-other-candidates-mst3k-style
Trump To Host Live Stream Of Debates Where He Insults The Other Candidates MST3K-Style
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If the senile pedophile’s execution for treason, war crimes and corruption was televised pay per view, the proceeds could pay off the national debt.
Throw in Nancy, chucky, and mitch and America could fund the next budget.
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You know, my husband and I sat and listened to the entire phone call President Trump and his attorneys had with the Georgia AG and his gaggle of legal aides. Every moment of it, from start to finish. It was perfect on the President’s part. And the Georgia bought-off traitors stonewalled and prevaricated. It was enraging. Everyone knew the fraud margin was high enough to change the outcome. You could tell they knew. President Trump directly challenged them on that fact and they would not respond. And they refused to look any deeper at the results.
President Trump also said that whenever the President of the United States makes a phone call, there are about 16 people in the room and the entire thing is recorded. I’d love to see it played in court.
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Do you really think any of these kangaroo courts are going to allow discovery or admission of favorable evidence?
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https://babylonbee.com/news/man-accused-of-violently-trying-to-overthrow-government-peacefully-turns-himself-in-again
ATLANTA, GA — A dangerous, psychopathic madman charged with dozens of counts of attempting to violently overthrow the government has once again turned himself in peacefully to face yet another indictment charge, sources confirmed today. The seditious traitor accused of destabilizing the social order and calling into question our leaders' authority to rule calmy and peaceably arrived at the courthouse today, turned himself in while smiling and waving to supporters, and followed all rules and regulations, according to witnesses. Experts say they are shocked that this indictment and arrest process went so smoothly, when the man the government is arresting is clearly an anti-American, anarchic terrorist who is dead-set on bringing the whole system down. Weird!
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What do y'all think of the mugshot?
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What do y'all think of the mugshot?
That's going to be all over flags, t-shirts and bumper stickers before the weekend is over.
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What do y'all think of the mugshot?
If looks could kill...
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What do y'all think of the mugshot?
He reports his weight at 215 lbs.
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He reports his weight at 215 lbs.
Oh no!!!! Quick!! Indict him for a fraudulent entry on a government form!!!
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What do y'all think of the mugshot?
Great campaign pic.
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He reports his weight at 215 lbs.
Yeah I heard that's the liberal cope.
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If looks could kill...
That's my take. Anger. Also a bit wounded but in a way that only makes him dangerous. Which is exactly what we need. Bongino is right about him being the third person in the history of the U.S. who's personal fate is directly tied to the fate of the nation.
I think it was Bongino that said that.
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Trump comments on his own mugshot:
https://twitter.com/Shawn_Farash/status/1695058143179383022
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What do y'all think of the mugshot?
Defiance, proud, unafraid. Bring it!
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Trump comments on his own mugshot:
https://twitter.com/Shawn_Farash/status/1695058143179383022
That’s good, just what DT would say lol
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Defiance, proud, unafraid. Bring it!
Yeah the courage blows my mind. Who among us would take what he's taking for this country? (Other than literal soldiers.)
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https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1695035013702500677
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That's my take. Anger. Also a bit wounded but in a way that only makes him dangerous. Which is exactly what we need. Bongino is right about him being the third person in the history of the U.S. who's personal fate is directly tied to the fate of the nation.
I think it was Bongino that said that.
It was Steve Bannon.
https://twitter.com/gc22gc/status/1694356341345944018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694356341345944018%7Ctwgr%5E8eeb02791f230ec7608ae39f371c1263203744d7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2F
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It was Steve Bannon.
https://twitter.com/gc22gc/status/1694356341345944018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694356341345944018%7Ctwgr%5E8eeb02791f230ec7608ae39f371c1263203744d7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2F
Doh! I knew that. Except obviously I forgot.
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It was Steve Bannon.
https://twitter.com/gc22gc/status/1694356341345944018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694356341345944018%7Ctwgr%5E8eeb02791f230ec7608ae39f371c1263203744d7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2F
Good catch.
Love them both.
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Once I have some coffee and wake up I’m donating to this guy. He’s one of the 19 is it now? People indicted with Trump and the only one denied bond and denied a free lawyer as guaranteed in the constitution. I’m gonna assume it’s legit, I got the link from Laura Loomer.
https://www.givesendgo.com/Official_Harrison_Fund
We are all focused on Trump but his entourage is equally persecuted and so will we all be if we don’t put a stop to this NOW.
These people are all being charged with basically voicing the opinion that 2020 was fraudulent. Exercising their 1st.
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LOL Trump's raised over $7 million since the mugshot. I just sent two mugs to mom and sis in addition to the one coming to me in addition to additional cash I gave him. Hell, if he can risk prison for me, that's the least I can do. Besides, when he was in office, every time I sent him a request, he DID IT. Like within a week. I owe him a thanks. No it doesn't matter if he's already a billionaire and doesn't need my piddling amount, it's the principle of the thing, not the money, and it's a tiny fraction of what my investments earned under his booming economy. Most important, it's the message the money will send to the establishment!!!!!
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The Dems are probably looking at this.
Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution
Equal Protection and Other Rights
Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
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The Dems are probably looking at this.
Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution
Equal Protection and Other Rights
Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Yes they are. Except they have one major problem, this amendment does not apply to DJT.
They are trying to legal jujitsu the wording to get it to apply, but like the 4 indictments, it would be a stretch.
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The Dems are probably looking at this.
Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution
Equal Protection and Other Rights
Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
IMHO, that is the sole reasons for some of the indictments. They want to convict him of insurrection so he can't be President again. Otherwise, he could be President from his prison cell.
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IMHO, that is the sole reasons for some of the indictments. They want to convict him of insurrection so he can't be President again. Otherwise, he could be President from his prison cell.
In the four indictments, which one(s) have the charge of insurrection?
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In the four indictments, which one(s) have the charge of insurrection?
Since when did an inconvenient law stop a democrat communist?
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Since when did an inconvenient law stop a democrat communist?
My point is, there is no count of insurrection in any of the 4 indictments. For the 14th to apply, DJT would have to be charged with insurrection and convicted.
If he was convicted, it would likely overturn on appeal, because simply, no insurrection took place (as defined by law).
Furthermore, if someone did charge him with insurrection, this opens up discovery, and allows DJT's legal team the power of subpoena. Lots of very inconvenient facts would come out, which the UniParty and FedGov doesn't want discovered.
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In the four indictments, which one(s) have the charge of insurrection?
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-indictment-total-charges-counts-2023-8
Trump faces a total of 91 felony charges across his criminal indictments
January 6 Capitol insurrection
Trump was hit with four charges in connection with his involvement in the January 6 Capitol riot and his attempt to overturn the 2020 election in August. The indictment also mentioned six co-conspirators who weren't indicted.
The trial date for the case hasn't been set.
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I believe he has to be charged with violating a specific Federal law in Federal court:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383)
In other words he would first need to get his day in court to defend against that charge.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-indictment-total-charges-counts-2023-8
So where is the charge of insurrection? 18 USC 2383?
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So where is the charge of insurrection? 18 USC 2383?
I just found this extremely long article on 18 USC 2383 and Section 3:
https://reason.com/volokh/2021/02/18/if-donald-trump-is-convicted-of-violating-18-u-s-c-§-2383-will-he-be-disqualified-from-serving-as-president/ (https://reason.com/volokh/2021/02/18/if-donald-trump-is-convicted-of-violating-18-u-s-c-§-2383-will-he-be-disqualified-from-serving-as-president/)
TL;DR.
Skimming the conclusion I believe their opinion is that the law isn't applicable to the president (not technically an officer as used elsewhere) and then there is the issue of enforcement. Voting laws are state, not federal, so good luck with the feds trying to force states to remove Trump from their ballots.
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I just found this extremely long article on 18 USC 2383 and Section 3:
https://reason.com/volokh/2021/02/18/if-donald-trump-is-convicted-of-violating-18-u-s-c-§-2383-will-he-be-disqualified-from-serving-as-president/ (https://reason.com/volokh/2021/02/18/if-donald-trump-is-convicted-of-violating-18-u-s-c-§-2383-will-he-be-disqualified-from-serving-as-president/)
TL;DR.
Skimming the conclusion I believe their opinion is that the law isn't applicable to the president (not technically an officer as used elsewhere) and then there is the issue of enforcement. Voting laws are state, not federal, so good luck with the feds trying to force states to remove Trump from their ballots.
Even states would have a difficult time removing him from the ballot, WRT 18 USC 2383. Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley have written extensively on the topic.
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Even states would have a difficult time removing him from the ballot, WRT 18 USC 2383. Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley have written extensively on the topic.
But it does set the stage for non-stop, drama queen liars spouting bullshit that the courts legislated against the wishes of ‘the people,’
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My point is, there is no count of insurrection in any of the 4 indictments. For the 14th to apply, DJT would have to be charged with insurrection and convicted.
If he was convicted, it would likely overturn on appeal, because simply, no insurrection took place (as defined by law).
Furthermore, if someone did charge him with insurrection, this opens up discovery, and allows DJT's legal team the power of subpoena. Lots of very inconvenient facts would come out, which the UniParty and FedGov doesn't want discovered.
Where does the 14th say he would have to be charged with insurrection? The section 3 language says “…shall have engaged in insurrection…”
The left has been intentionally calling this an insurrection since January 6th. Incorrectly, of course, but if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the “truth.”
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Where does the 14th say he would have to be charged with insurrection? The section 3 language says “…shall have engaged in insurrection…”
The left has been intentionally calling this an insurrection since January 6th. Incorrectly, of course, but if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the “truth.”
To have engaged in insurrection someone would have to be convicted of insurrection. Otherwise, then we could just point a finger at anyone and yell "insurrectionist!". Doesn't cut it.
Both Dershowitz and Turley (among other scholars) have written extensively on how the 14th doesn't apply here. The legally inept liberal attorneys want it to apply, but it doesn't.
This is why no one has tried to charge DJT with 18 USC 2383, they know a) It will allow DJT's legal team to open discovery, and b) would get tossed or they would lose on appeal. They don't have any evidence.
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The left has been intentionally calling this an insurrection since January 6th. Incorrectly, of course, but if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the “truth.”
The narrative changed to "riot" once more information came out about Ray Epps, and when it became more and more evident the feds were involved.
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To have engaged in insurrection someone would have to be convicted of insurrection. Otherwise, then we could just point a finger at anyone and yell "insurrectionist!". Doesn't cut it.
Both Dershowitz and Turley (among other scholars) have written extensively on how the 14th doesn't apply here. The legally inept liberal attorneys want it to apply, but it doesn't.
This is why no one has tried to charge DJT with 18 USC 2383, they know a) It will allow DJT's legal team to open discovery, and b) would get tossed or they would lose on appeal. They don't have any evidence.
This is exactly what the left is doing. They never give up. They never give in. They never stop. I’m saying that yes, just pointing a finger to call Trump an insurrection it’s might be enough. I’m certain their teams of attorneys didn’t miss what I’m saying. I just don’t believe a conviction of insurrection is a condition precedent to invoke section 3 of the 14th.
And even if the Supreme Court agrees with you, can you imagine THAT outcry? Trump’s illegitimate SCOTUS rules in his favor in the 14th?
The left will not listen to Turley or Dershowitz. They already dismiss them as tools of Fox News, even though they are both committed democrats and leftists.
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This is exactly what the left is doing. They never give up. They never give in. They never stop. I’m saying that yes, just pointing a finger to call Trump an insurrection it’s might be enough. I’m certain their teams of attorneys didn’t miss what I’m saying. I just don’t believe a conviction of insurrection is a condition precedent to invoke section 3 of the 14th.
And even if the Supreme Court agrees with you, can you imagine THAT outcry? Trump’s illegitimate SCOTUS rules in his favor in the 14th?
The left will not listen to Turley or Dershowitz. They already dismiss them as tools of Fox News, even though they are both committed democrats and leftists.
No it's not enough. Insurrection is a felony under 18 USC 2383. To convict someone under the law requires an indictment, then a trial, and that trial must conclude in a conviction. Then, if convicted, he has the opportunity to appeal.
The 6th amendment comes into play here, and the 14th doesn't override the rest of the constitution.
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Who needs the law when you own the media and soros's whore DA's.?
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https://www.uncoverdc.com/2023/08/30/mutually-assured-destruction-is-the-only-solution-to-political-lawfare/
Reflecting upon his creation of dynamite, famed inventor Alfred Nobel opined, “Perhaps my factories will put an end to war sooner than your congresses: on the day that two army corps can mutually annihilate each other in a second, all civilized nations will surely recoil with horror and disband their troops.” Nobel’s remarks invoke the principle of mutually assured destruction. This military doctrine proffers that the threat of strong weapons against an enemy prevents that enemy from utilizing those same weapons.
American presidents successfully employed mutually assured destruction to navigate the nuclear threat and ultimately triumph over the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Today’s conservative leaders should utilize similar political warfare to reimpose legal order in a rapidly escalating Cold American Civil War.
Unlike the Cold War, American leftists already launched a first strike. The first four assaults arrived in the form of criminal indictments of former President Donald Trump by the Manhattan (New York) District Attorney, United States Department of Justice, and Fulton County (Georgia) District Attorney. The lawfare battle is already underway. To counter the threat, restore balance, and achieve a semblance of rational deterrence, red state attorneys general and district attorneys must turn their metaphorical launch keys and deploy similar lawfare tactics against Democrat politicians.
A challenge arises as to who should be the first target? For years, Republicans have justifiably argued for Hunter Biden’s prosecution. Unfortunately, control of the DOJ comfortably rests with Democrat apparatchik Merrick Garland. If not for recent whistleblower disclosures by IRS and FBI agents, the entire sham investigation would have been swept under the rug. Further, the recent appointment of a Special Counsel essentially removes the oversight authority from congressional Republicans and ensures a comfortable outcome for the President’s son.
Legal success is only achievable at the state and local levels. High-profile Democrats seldom establish requisite residency in these venues and typically limit their travel to deep blue states or comfortably liberal enclaves in red-state America. Nevertheless, an effective lawfare campaign may exist with Democrat officials’ public statements, which are arguably violative of state law. As such, I propose Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm as the first target for criminal indictment and arrest.
On August 27, 2023, Secretary Granholm linked to a CBT News article and tweeted, “From @EnergyInnovLLC: It’s more affordable to lease an electric vehicle than to lease or buy a traditional gas car. Drivers can see up to $500 in savings, and when accompanied with @POTUS’ tax incentives, some can see monthly payments lowered by up to 12%.” How might a state or county prosecutor argue the Energy Secretary’s public tweet violates the law?
On October 19, 2020, Sage Journals published a research article entitled “The relationship between debt and crime: A systemic and scoping review.” Researchers conducted a systemic review and discovered a strong association between debt and crime. They concluded debt is a correlative risk factor for recidivism and identified factors that impact the relationship between debt and crime.
Similarly, in 2018 the American Civil Liberties Union issued a report entitled “A Pound of Flesh: The Criminalization of Private Debt.” The report details the history of debtors’ prisons and how the present American court system is manipulated to improperly incarcerate debtors. The ACLU highlights a dubious business relationship between debt collectors and prosecutors and concludes the current system facilitates the abuse and coercion of vulnerable Americans.
On November 30, 2019, The American Bar Association published an article entitled “Criminal Justice Debt Problems.” In the piece, the ABA argues the American legal system commonly punishes poor defendants more harshly than the wealthy. The article ultimately concludes, “Monetary bail systems, penalties, and fees have generated concerns about the fairness in the criminal justice system for the poor and for people of color.”
It is clear Secretary Granholm’s tweet encourages Americans to absorb debt in order to lease electric vehicles. Considering the research and arguments from well-established authorities such as Sage Journals, ACLU, and ABA, probable cause exists to convene a grand jury, investigate, and indict the Energy Secretary for encouraging behavior that contributes to higher levels of criminality. Any members of Secretary Granholm’s staff or other public officials who retweeted her post are arguably culpable in her conspiracy. Moreover, because Secretary Granholm published her statements for public view, multiple jurisdictions have legal venue to bring criminal charges against her and her fellow conspirators.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu argues, “If the Arabs lay down their arms there will be no more war, but if Israel lays down its weapons, there would be no more Israel.” America’s current political landscape demonstrates Netanyahu’s prescience. Republicans have preemptively surrendered to the whims of a weaponized Democrat lawfare. The responsibility now falls to red state attorneys general and county prosecutors to respond in kind. Mutually assured destruction is the only plausible tactic to ultimately triumph in the American Cold Civil War.
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https://rumble.com/v3dosj0-mike-davis-why-the-14th-amendment-cant-disqualify-trump-from-running-for-of.html
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Like the Republicans would do anything if they try that. The thing is, they can bring the charge, knowing full well it would never stand up, but they would tie Trump up in court for years as it worked it’s way up til SCOTUS shoots it down. And based on what SCOTUS did wrt Texas et al, I’m not sure they’d even accept the case. (The conservative justices’ lives and families are being threatened, literally, with mobs at their homes, and probably in other ways from the deep state).
So all they have to do is get some cherry picked Federal appeals court to disqualify Trump, totally unconstitutionally but it’s not like that’s never happened before, (rulings violating the 2nd happen regularly) and if Trump manages to overcome the cheating and be in the White House at that point they’ll physically remove him in handcuffs. Maybe publicly execute him for “treason” as a message to anyone who opposes the Uniparty.
Or they won’t bother with all that and just assassinate him.
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Like the Republicans would do anything if they try that. The thing is, they can bring the charge, knowing full well it would never stand up, but they would tie Trump up in court for years as it worked it’s way up til SCOTUS shoots it down. And based on what SCOTUS did wrt Texas et al, I’m not sure they’d even accept the case. (The conservative justices’ lives and families are being threatened, literally, with mobs at their homes, and probably in other ways from the deep state).
So all they have to do is get some cherry picked Federal appeals court to disqualify Trump, totally unconstitutionally but it’s not like that’s never happened before, (rulings violating the 2nd happen regularly) and if Trump manages to overcome the cheating and be in the White House at that point they’ll physically remove him in handcuffs. Maybe publicly execute him for “treason” as a message to anyone who opposes the Uniparty.
Or they won’t bother with all that and just assassinate him.
They will not charge Trump with insurrection. That would open discovery, and would allow subpoenas to be issued. This would start exposing fedgov's involvement and what really happened.
FedGov want's all evidence of J6 to be buried.
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They will not charge Trump with insurrection. That would open discovery, and would allow subpoenas to be issued. This would start exposing fedgov's involvement and what really happened.
FedGov want's all evidence of J6 to be buried.
Yeah but the media won’t honestly report on the discovery. And it won’t matter anyway if they did, who’s going to do anything about it? GOP? 🤣
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Yeah but the media won’t honestly report on the discovery. And it won’t matter anyway if they did, who’s going to do anything about it? GOP? 🤣
It's not worth the risk for FedGov, plus trying to prove insurrection would be impossible given the elements can't be proved.
And FedGov doesn't want this case to go to the SC and lose. The threat of insurrection is more useful than the actual charge.
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It's not worth the risk for FedGov, plus trying to prove insurrection would be impossible given the elements can't be proved.
And FedGov doesn't want this case to go to the SC and lose. The threat of insurrection is more useful than the actual charge.
If you’re right, we’re back to assassination. I’d bet money the deep state (CIA?) already has several plans in place. Each one has problems. They have to get the Secret Service compromised, and then there’s Trump’s private security. And they’re thinking about all the riots that would result, which they’d handle by mowing us down with machine guns as opposed to how they handle BLM/Antifa riots (slap on the wrist at most). They’d likely declare martial law and all protesters of Trump’s killing would be declared insurrectionists. They’d have to quick build a lot of prison camps for the ones they didn’t kill outright. They’d nationalize large swaths of the food and energy industries because why not? And quick pass a federal law mandating universal mail in ballots in all 50 states. Ta da! The MAGA problem solved.
Next outlaw gasoline powered cars, lawn mowers, weed eaters, gas stoves, paper and plastic grocery bags, ceiling fans, and red yeast rice. Declare Trump’s mugshot a “hate symbol” and outlaw it. Send FBI SWAT teams into homes to confiscate all mugshot mugs and mugshot T-shirts, as well as firearms. Divide all cities and towns into 15 minute zones, erect facial recognition cameras and freeze the bank accounts of anyone leaving their zone. Mandate mask wearing at all times (yes facial recognition still works, it can recognize your eyes and your gait.) And of course mandate everyone get boosters every month.
Outlaw the eating of red meat unless you swear allegiance to the Uniparty and kneel twice a day before a poster of the Dear Leader which you will be required to hang in your home and this will be verified by the security cam installed inside your home “for your own good”. Straight white men will be required to attend reeducation camps daily until they confess that being straight is a perversion and being white is inherently evil. Any blacks caught with a Thomas Sowell book will be pilloried and publicly shamed as an Uncle Tom. All women of all races will be sent to reeducation camps daily until they confess that they aren’t really women at all because they lack the beauty and perfection of being trans women and that the most womanly women of all are those with dicks.
The Uniparty elite will of course be exempt from all this.
It’s the psychopathic left’s wet dream.
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The Uniparty elite will of course be exempt from all this.
It’s the psychopathic left’s wet dream.
Damn Rush, don’t give them so many ideas! 😠
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Yeah I heard that's the liberal cope.
He "identifies" as "svelt"
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He "identifies" as "svelt"
Ha!
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Looks like Trump will be indicted again.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12488901/Federal-prosecutors-plan-indict-Hunter-Biden-gun-charges-end-month.html
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Looks like Trump will be indicted again.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12488901/Federal-prosecutors-plan-indict-Hunter-Biden-gun-charges-end-month.html
Like clockwork.
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Looks like Trump will be indicted again.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12488901/Federal-prosecutors-plan-indict-Hunter-Biden-gun-charges-end-month.html
They will probably charge him with campaigning as a member of an unapproved political party.
They will obviously call for the death penalty n this one to keep the communist traitor’s low life scum bag son out of jail.
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Actually their next move is to cut off his campaign money.
They’re going to concoct that he’s somehow doing something nefarious with campaign money.
Keep him tied up in courts, hinder him from campaigning, and next cut the money off.
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Actually their next move is to cut off his campaign money.
They’re going to concoct that he’s somehow doing something nefarious with campaign money.
Keep him tied up in courts, hinder him from campaigning, and next cut the money off.
The biggest crooks are not in jail.
They’re in the democrat party.
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That even understates how bad and illegal it was in Wisconsin. Clerks literally turned everything over to the Zuckerberg brown shirts, and gave them the keys to the kingdom.