PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on May 28, 2019, 09:44:02 AM
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The world has gone nucking futz.
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Yep, just replaced the batteries in my wife's key. It wouldn't let the car know the key was inside as she pushed the start button in the car. Can't complain too much I guess, that little battery lasted 7 years.
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I’m visiting mom and dealing with her key which technically the battery is in the remote, not the key itself, but in trying to Google how to replace that battery I found that the new models have the battery in the key itself. I didn’t know such things existed, there is something deeply disturbing about relying on a battery to make your key work.
Finally driven to reading the car’s user manual, I discovered how to change her remote battery but also discovered that her key itself has a “chip” and if I try to start the car with the key ring inadvertently looped over the key, the car might not start. This must be somebody’s idea of a joke. I cannot imagine an engineer allowing such a thing off his desk. Lord help us.
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I’ve never had a problem with them. My key also has an rfid chip so if the batter goes dead I can hold it next to the start button and the car will start.
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My 2011 Volvo C70 has an embedded "emergency key" which is a little metal key you can pull out to get into the car. However, if the battery is dead in the fob/key which is inserted and turned like a key, the car won't start because the key can't "talk" to the car. :( Moronic.
If you lose both keys that come with the car it would require a tow to the dealer, and a very expensive reprogramming, and new keys issued. You're talking well over $1200. Good luck if the car is in your garage, and a tow truck can't get to it. Then the dealer would have to send technicians to your home to do the reprogramming IF they will actually do that.
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If I were the engineer or the manager that let this out of my department, or even the guy that wrote the user manual, I would be mortified. No "smart" technology is worth this flaw. It wasn't ready to go live if this stops your car from going.
sorry this picture's too big. I will try to reduce it later.
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Stop yer bitchin!!!
In just a few years, no more cars! AOC has this "New Green Deal" and......................... ;D ::)
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If I were the engineer or the manager that let this out of my department, or even the guy that wrote the user manual, I would be mortified. No "smart" technology is worth this flaw. It wasn't ready to go live if this stops your car from going.
sorry this picture's too big. I will try to reduce it later.
*shrug*
People don't like it when their cars are stolen. Insurance companies don't like paying when cars are stolen. So keys now have chips in them that are read by the computer on the car. No chip, no start. And it's not new, my 2001 Ford F-150 had chip in key.
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*shrug*
People don't like it when their cars are stolen. Insurance companies don't like paying when cars are stolen. So keys now have chips in them that are read by the computer on the car. No chip, no start. And it's not new, my 2001 Ford F-150 had chip in key.
That's true. I saw recently where a guy stole a couple's SUV as they were packing to leave for vacation early in the morning in center city Philly in a very upscale neighborhood. The guy was able to start the car as the fob was close enough but he got a few blocks away and it shut down, so he had to abandon it.
I have also heard you can drive them until you turn the off, but they won't restart without the fob near or actually in the car.
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*shrug*
People don't like it when their cars are stolen. Insurance companies don't like paying when cars are stolen. So keys now have chips in them that are read by the computer on the car. No chip, no start. And it's not new, my 2001 Ford F-150 had chip in key.
I solve that problem by driving a car no one wants.
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I solve that problem by driving a car no one wants.
Or a standard shift transmission
I recently taught one of my grandsons to drive my five speed and he thinks he’s the cats ass now
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her key itself has a “chip” and if I try to start the car with the key ring inadvertently looped over the key, the car might not start. This must be somebody’s idea of a joke. I cannot imagine an engineer allowing such a thing off his desk. Lord help us.
It's physics. The key ring is metal, which is a conductor, which will interfere with the fields to and from the RFID chip in the key. If you wrap your key in aluminum foil, it probably won't work at all.
The engineer who designed this system did what he was told. As a retired electrical engineer of 30 years experience, I can't even imagine trusting an electronic device as part of a key system.
Tim
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That's true. I saw recently where a guy stole a couple's SUV as they were packing to leave for vacation early in the morning in center city Philly in a very upscale neighborhood. The guy was able to start the car as the fob was close enough but he got a few blocks away and it shut down, so he had to abandon it.
I have also heard you can drive them until you turn the off, but they won't restart without the fob near or actually in the car.
I never thought about it but this might be why armed car jackings are on the rise.
Yet another unforeseen consequence of advancing technology.
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I never thought about it but this might be why armed car jackings are on the rise.
Yet another unforeseen consequence of advancing technology.
Good point. Unintended consequences.
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It's physics. The key ring is metal, which is a conductor, which will interfere with the fields to and from the RFID chip in the key. If you wrap your key in aluminum foil, it probably won't work at all.
The engineer who designed this system did what he was told. As a retired electrical engineer of 30 years experience, I can't even imagine trusting an electronic device as part of a key system.
Tim
Yep. I’m sure what drove it was the anti theft “consumer demand” or whatever. Marketing decisions or liability decisions or fake “green” decisions; so many things force logical reasonable people to do stuff that is ridiculous. One reason many engineers (and other logical people) hate their corporate or government jobs.
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Or a standard shift transmission
I recently taught one of my grandsons to drive my five speed and he thinks he’s the cats ass now
Compared to most kids these days, he is. I"m now teaching my 16yr old daughter to drive the 6sp manual Honda.
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Yep. I’m sure what drove it was the anti theft “consumer demand” or whatever.
Don't discount the insurance companies hand in things like this.
"Dear Accord/Camry/F-150 manufacturer, your cars top the stolen car list. If you don't make your cars harder to steal, your customers may no longer be able to afford insurance..."
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Compared to most kids these days, he is. I"m now teaching my 16yr old daughter to drive the 6sp manual Honda.
A buddy of mine was helping his nephew buy a car. (His dad is a numb nuts) Anyway, he offered to teach him to drive a manual on his car, as they could find better deals instead of auto transmissions. The kid wanted NOTHING to do with shifting and using a clutch. Nothing. All he cared about was the technology in the car, and his ability to use the technology while driving. Therefore an automatic is preferred as they can focus on the technology, NOT shifting.
What's going to happen to all the muscle cars, and sports cars when us older guys pass?
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A buddy of mine was helping his nephew buy a car. (His dad is a numb nuts) Anyway, he offered to teach him to drive a manual on his car, as they could find better deals instead of auto transmissions. The kid wanted NOTHING to do with shifting and using a clutch. Nothing. All he cared about was the technology in the car, and his ability to use the technology while driving. Therefore an automatic is preferred as they can focus on the technology, NOT shifting.
What's going to happen to all the muscle cars, and sports cars when us older guys pass?
You mean those Honda’s with mufflers that sound like a high-speed weed whacker aren’t “muscle cars?” Lol.
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You mean those Honda’s with mufflers that sound like a high-speed weed whacker aren’t “muscle cars?” Lol.
I call those loud mufflers on 4cyl cars "fart cans", because that's what they sound like when they get on the gas.
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You mean those Honda’s with mufflers that sound like a high-speed weed whacker aren’t “muscle cars?” Lol.
LOL! :)
No I was talking about the classic muscle cars that guys our age buy from the 60's and early 70's. Mustangs, GTO's, Camaro's, Chevelle SS's, Old Vettes, etc. Who is going to maintain them? Kids of today that play on their phones?
Interestingly, a friend of mine has a Ford Focus ST, and I have "helped" him (I hand him tools) to mod the 4 cyl. turbocharged engine and other things like a better exhaust, CAI, larger intercooler, Stage II tune, etc. Stock it was 252 HP. Right now at the wheels he is getting over 300 HP. The thing goes like a bat out of hell, but doesn't sound like the rice burner you cite above. :)
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Just found my next car!
https://www.theepochtimes.com/like-new-1988-yugo-on-sale-for-9000-after-sitting-in-garage-for-decades_2939679.html
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The Yugo was an older Fiat design. I am jonesing for a Trabant. Really!
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First world problems...