PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on May 11, 2020, 05:32:09 AM
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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-subtle-tyranny-of-the-expert-class/
May 11, 2020|
Three recent developments have raised the issue of whether social media should be able to censor opinions that differ from expert opinion.
The first involves YouTube’s decision to take down a widely circulated video by the co-owners of a Bakersfield, California, “Urgent Care” clinic, Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massahi. Their presentation, based on their own research, suggests that widespread lockdowns are not necessary to combat the virus.
The second is The Atlantic‘s publication of an article by two law professors, Harvard’s Jack Goldsmith and the University of Arizona’s Andrew Keane Woods, in which they argue that some censorship of the internet “can do enormous public good.” This, they say, is because today’s technological sophistication, combined with data centralization and government-industry cooperation, makes it possible for social media to reliably screen out all unscientific ideas.
“Significant monitoring and speech control are inevitable components of a mature and flourishing internet,” Goldsmith and Wood say. “And governments must play a large role in these practices to ensure that the internet is compatible with a society’s norms and values.”
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That's not very subtle.
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This is exactly why when someone is promoting obvious bullshit, then they point to their parchment on the wall as their authority, that one needs to be skeptical.
Be even more skeptical when that bullshit is being pushed by a politician.
We've now witnessed what the expert class can and will do using a virus. Just imagine what they will, and can, do using such bullshit as man made climate change.
Pandora's box has been opened, it's only a matter of when.
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This is exactly why when someone is promoting obvious bullshit, then they point to their parchment on the wall as their authority, that one needs to be skeptical.
Be even more skeptical when that bullshit is being pushed by a politician.
We've now witnessed what the expert class can and will do using a virus. Just imagine what they will, and can, do using such bullshit as man made climate change.
Pandora's box has been opened, it's only a matter of when.
I am starting to have trouble wrapping my head around why Trump is continuing to allow this (for all of us to be led by the nose by Fauci). In the beginning, I understood following the "pandemic experts" advice, but very soon it became obvious that the disease was less dangerous than thought, and the economic damage is escalating very rapidly.
Why has Trump not backed away from Fauci et al and just mandated we all open back up? Should he continue to appear to be in lock step with that treasonous Fauci?
Does he have some kind of plan up his sleeve? Have the Dems (communists) finally got the better of him? Where is his scappy fighter spirit? Am I misreading all of this?
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I am starting to have trouble wrapping my head around why Trump is continuing to allow this (for all of us to be led by the nose by Fauci). In the beginning, I understood following the "pandemic experts" advice, but very soon it became obvious that the disease was less dangerous than thought, and the economic damage is escalating very rapidly.
Why has Trump not backed away from Fauci et al and just mandated we all open back up? Should he continue to appear to be in lock step with that treasonous Fauci?
Does he have some kind of plan up his sleeve? Have the Dems (communists) finally got the better of him? Where is his scappy fighter spirit? Am I misreading all of this?
My take:
If he pushed the little troll away the dems and their media will go 24/7 scorched earth that he is defying the experts. Trump has already been quietly pushing back on Fauci's edicts. Fauci wants lockdowns and social distancing to continue until he approves, and Fauci has come out and said vote by mail should be instituted, among other things.
Second, the governor's have control over state openings. We are seeing the free states (republican controlled) opening up while the dem hell hole states keep extending lockdowns. There is a fine hole to be threaded under the constitution where in the President can force a state to open up, and it would result in going to the SC. I believe his option is to have the free states open and let the people in the hell hole states force their states to follow.
The lesson learned here? Never, ever let a bureaucrat SES level gain control of the federal government for any reason whatsoever. Fauci being backed by the corrupt WHO did just that, being backed by faulty and corrupt data. It was Fauci that demanded the country shut down, clearly against the recommendations of other health experts. Fauci used the intimidation that millions would die if this didn't happen and we have no time, it must be done immediately. (You know, like climate change)
The left is already pinning every single covid death on Trump anyway, it was what they wanted. Their "bonus" was destroying our economy, and now they've added a chapter to their playbook. Just imagine what they can concoct next.
This entire episode was orchestrated by the progressive left. If we are to survive as a country, we need to drive out these communist and place laws that will prevent this abuse from happening again.
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I highly recommend keeping an eye on the President’s Twitter feed. Right now it’s smoking hot on the Obama spying and lying perfidy. POTUS has, it appears to me, been pulling away from Wuhan virus dictates, and no longer has a daily briefing, but has been highlighting various governors and what they have been doing, both pro and con, bless his heart. He’s also busy countering the fake news. I haven’t seen him on the stage with Fauci or Birx for a long time.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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I highly recommend keeping an eye on the President’s Twitter feed. Right now it’s smoking hot on the Obama spying and lying perfidy. POTUS has, it appears to me, been pulling away from Wuhan virus dictates, and no longer has a daily briefing, but has been highlighting various governors and what they have been doing, both pro and con, bless his heart. He’s also busy countering the fake news. I haven’t seen him on the stage with Fauci or Birx for a long time.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Even Birx is starting to push back on all this malarkey. The little troll is doing a modified quarantine (one he would disapprove of anyone else doing). Fauci is being minimized in his recommendations.
The Obama Spygate scandal is heating up as more evidence is being produced showing all the lies and deceptions, as well as BHO's involvement. This was a coup attempt, orchestrated by BHO and operated by extreme corrupt DoJ/FBI officials. Let's hope justice will be served, and that something this awful never takes place again. BHO was the most corrupt person to ever hold the office of the presidency, and I hope this scandal will forever tarnish his legacy as such.
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Even Birx is starting to push back on all this malarkey. The little troll is doing a modified quarantine (one he would disapprove of anyone else doing). Fauci is being minimized in his recommendations.
The Obama Spygate scandal is heating up as more evidence is being produced showing all the lies and deceptions, as well as BHO's involvement. This was a coup attempt, orchestrated by BHO and operated by extreme corrupt DoJ/FBI officials. Let's hope justice will be served, and that something this awful never takes place again. BHO was the most corrupt person to ever hold the office of the presidency, and I hope this scandal will forever tarnish his legacy as such.
It’s breaking on Fox but I haven’t the stomach to listen to CNN or the rest and have no idea if this is actually get out to the MSM watching masses. Do you think millennials will be stumbling across this info? Or is it all being spun as conspiracy theory?
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It’s breaking on Fox but I haven’t the stomach to listen to CNN or the rest and have no idea if this is actually get out to the MSM watching masses. Do you think millennials will be stumbling across this info? Or is it all being spun as conspiracy theory?
The MSM is doubling down that all of this is unfounded conspiracy, and that Trump is using this to deflect from the virus.
The MSM and leftist will never accept nor admit to this coup. All of their dreams were wrapped up in it. Three plus years of "Russia!", "Ukraine!" and "Impeachment!" have now vaporized with documented proof it was all a hoax, and even worse, an orchestrated coup attempt against an incoming President by a sitting president.
In different times we would be witnessing trials, and perhaps executions, for the perpetrators.
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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/deborah-birx-reportedly-cant-trust-covid-19-numbers-robert-redfields
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We've seen it with Man Made Climate Change and now the Corona Virus. CORRUPTED "Science" and corrupt scientists and "experts" all either PAID OFF or corrupted due to their Far Left ideology. How dare us commoners question scientists and experts! They HAVE to be right!
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Experts say that Joe Biden has only one ball. Just like Hitler!
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https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/05/social_distancing_is_snake_oil_not_science.html
At this point, this is little more than common sense, and the truth can’t continue to be suppressed for much longer. It’s becoming more and more obvious that it’s well past time to take a more tactical approach to mitigation, as Dr. Katz suggested back on March 20, allocating resources and efforts toward protecting and caring for those most at-risk, and ending this soul-crushing and economy-crashing experiment with holistic “social distancing.”
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We've seen it with Man Made Climate Change and now the Corona Virus. CORRUPTED "Science" and corrupt scientists and "experts" all either PAID OFF or corrupted due to their Far Left ideology. How dare us commoners question scientists and experts! They HAVE to be right!
You have nailed it.
I thought you were steingar posting. His rants seem just your post.
'How dare you little people question your betters....'
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The good news for you all is governments can't really keep this up too much longer with building popular discontent. Things will open up, they're opening up already. I'm seeing lots of folks out for this and that sans PPE or anything else. We'll get the full blown epidemic you've been looking for. Good luck to you all.
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The good news for you all is governments can't really keep this up too much longer with building popular discontent. Things will open up, they're opening up already. I'm seeing lots of folks out for this and that sans PPE or anything else. We'll get the full blown epidemic you've been looking for. Good luck to you all.
Good luck to you too. Sincerely. However, why is it only us who benefit from Opening Up? Not you or yours? Would you rather live in a society on LOCKDOWN and for people to live meager existences?
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We'll get the full blown epidemic you've been looking for.
No we won't.
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The good news for you all is governments can't really keep this up too much longer with building popular discontent. Things will open up, they're opening up already. I'm seeing lots of folks out for this and that sans PPE or anything else. We'll get the full blown epidemic you've been looking for. Good luck to you all.
yeah, right. That's what everyone wants. Everyone wants everyone to die. yessireebob, that's what we want.
I feel really sorry for your students. Your level of understanding what many people here have been asking/questioning/commenting about is appalling.
[edit: we already have a fullblown epidemic, you genius. And we get that Every Single Year with the seasonal flu]
btw - Are you ever going to answer the questions regarding how long it should take to develop a serological test?
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Get a clue, Steingar.
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The good news for you all is governments can't really keep this up too much longer with building popular discontent. Things will open up, they're opening up already. I'm seeing lots of folks out for this and that sans PPE or anything else. We'll get the full blown epidemic you've been looking for. Good luck to you all.
Your pathetic, whining aside, what makes you so fucking stupid on every subject that requires adult reason and logic? Did your owners at cnn tell you to accuse everyone EVERYWHERE of wanting a 'full blown epidemic'?
Do you wait for msnbc and cnn to give your opinions everyday and then vomit them forth, pretending that you had permission to have an independent thought? Do they spank you if you fail to regurgitate their lies everyday?
What utter, elitist, bullshit. Your hate drools from your sewer of a brain with such ferocity, I'm surprised you can function.
Of course, your students seem to all agree that you can't, so there's that...
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The good news for you all is governments can't really keep this up too much longer with building popular discontent. Things will open up, they're opening up already. I'm seeing lots of folks out for this and that sans PPE or anything else. We'll get the full blown epidemic you've been looking for. Good luck to you all.
What the hell do you want? You want to stay shut down? Never let herd immunity happen? Stay locked down until there’s a vaccine? You are going to continue to deny that 20% unemployment is a problem, half of small businesses projected to close permanently is not a problem, that economic catastrophe isn’t going to lead to poverty and death?
We stay shut down the goddamn virus will still be there. It will be there until we get a vaccine that works (good luck with that) or until it spreads through the community. The longer we put that off the more economic damage happens, yet we still have to face the virus all the same, so what is the point of putting it off? The only reason would be if the hot weather beats it back. So the hot weather is arriving. Whether or not that will limit the virus there is no excuse anymore for staying shut down, no more logical reason to stay shut down. So what the hell are you talking about accusing us of wanting a “full blown epidemic”? We are in for it anyway. All the shutdown is doing is delaying the inevitable and if the warm weather stops it but we stay shut down it will come on twice as bad in the fall if we don’t go ahead and get some herd immunity now.
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Every year we get a new flu vaccine because the suite of viruses comprising the flu mutates.
Every time I get a pneumonia vaccine, I'm told that it's only good for the previously known versions.
If people think we will ever completely beat COVID-19, well, I have a great deal on a bridge. So, there has only been one virus that has been eradicated. One. Just one. Even SARS gets out into the wild occassionally (but only about 1000 cases worldwide each year... which is good, because with a 9% CFR SARS is way more lethal than COVID-19).
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Influenza is about a fifth as lethal and perhaps one hundredth as infectious as COVID19. Tens of thousands like yearly of flu with us doing nothing. More than that have died of COVID with us doing everything we can to stop it.
Like I said, good luck to you all. I just really and truly hope you don't practice what you preach.
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Influenza is about a fifth as lethal and perhaps one hundredth as infectious as COVID19. Tens of thousands like yearly of flu with us doing nothing. More than that have died of COVID with us doing everything we can to stop it.
Like I said, good luck to you all. I just really and truly hope you don't practice what you preach.
Everything will be fine. You know that, but you can't admit it.
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Influenza is about a fifth as lethal and perhaps one hundredth as infectious as COVID19. Tens of thousands like yearly of flu with us doing nothing. More than that have died of COVID with us doing everything we can to stop it.
hmmm. maths is hard.
(https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html) According to the CDC, the 2018-2019 flu had over 34 million cases of the flu in the US. That's a little over 10% of the population. If COVID-19 was 100 times as infectious as the flu, then ....hmmmm.
check your math professor
And, no, we haven't done everything we can to stop COVID-19 spread.
But at least you are admitting that COVID-19 isn't anywhere as deadly as some would want us to believe... (0.5% CFR vs the 0.1% CFR for the flu)
btw - Are you ever going to answer the questions regarding how long it should take to develop a serological test?
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Influenza is about a fifth as lethal and perhaps one hundredth as infectious as COVID19. Tens of thousands like yearly of flu with us doing nothing. More than that have died of COVID with us doing everything we can to stop it.
Like I said, good luck to you all. I just really and truly hope you don't practice what you preach.
As soon as your fake facts collapse, you immediately retreat to bullshit and emotional outrage.
What a pathetic loser.
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Influenza is about a fifth as lethal and perhaps one hundredth as infectious as COVID19.
BULLSHIT. Totally false propaganda. Where are you getting your stats from? The New York Times? Huffington Post? Disney?
More than that have died of COVID with us doing everything we can to stop it.
That is a LIE, and you know it.
Like I said, good luck to you all. I just really and truly hope you don't practice what you preach.
We're fine. Nobody is dying for the most part unless they are in a Nursing Home or should be in a Nursing Home dying of other causes.
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There are so many confounding factors we don't really know the true CFR of influenza and covid even less. The CDC lies about influenza deaths which are actually probably much lower than they say, which would actually make Michael correct, IF the covid19 reported death rates were accurate, and they have been in radical flux since the start and no where near stabilizing yet, and with way too many confounding factors such as financial incentives to inflate the numbers and no real idea what the actual asymptomatic infection rate is yet.
It is going to take a long time before we know the true case death rate, if ever, (there is no reason to trust CDC about this any more than about influenza) but one thing is becoming clear, it is way lower than first thought and very likely way under 1%, just like the flu. But even if it is 5 or 10 times higher than the flu, if still under 1%, it does not justify destroying our economy for something with a greater than 99% recovery rate.
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But even if it is 5 or 10 times higher than the flu, if still under 1%, it does not justify destroying our economy for something with a greater than 99% recovery rate.
Exactly!! They are not destroying the economy because of the virus. They are destroying the economy to get rid of Trump and using the virus as an excuse.
Finally people are waking up, stepping out into the sunlight, and realizing the the storm never was.
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There are so many confounding factors we don't really know the true CFR of influenza and covid even less. The CDC lies about influenza deaths which are actually probably much lower than they say, which would actually make Michael correct, IF the covid19 reported death rates were accurate, and they have been in radical flux since the start and no where near stabilizing yet, and with way too many confounding factors such as financial incentives to inflate the numbers and no real idea what the actual asymptomatic infection rate is yet.
It is going to take a long time before we know the true case death rate, if ever, (there is no reason to trust CDC about this any more than about influenza) but one thing is becoming clear, it is way lower than first thought and very likely way under 1%, just like the flu. But even if it is 5 or 10 times higher than the flu, if still under 1%, it does not justify destroying our economy for something with a greater than 99% recovery rate.
There will never be an honest assessment of this entire debacle as it would expose Government, Media, Democrats, Healthcare Orgs, and the Medical/Scientific Community as LIARS that unnecessarily shutdown the country and crashed the economy. Tens of TRILLIONS of dollars lost, businesses closed permanently, people out of work, people suffering, etc.
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The CDC, like the IRS, the DoJ/FBI, the EPA and other agencies were weaponized by the Obama Administration.
We are now seeing the results of the weaponization, through lies and misinformation.
"Never let a crisis go to waste".
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In Trump's next term he needs to fix all that. Fire people above a certain level in all those agencies.
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The 2000 DOJ employees that signed the letter calling for Barr to resign would be a good place to start firing folks.
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The 2000 DOJ employees that signed the letter calling for Barr to resign would be a good place to start firing folks.
Except that was 2000 former DoJ employees...........
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Except that was 2000 former DoJ employees...........
Well shit
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WTF? I’m in Washington State.
This’ll make your skin crawl.
“The tech companies plan to release software updates next month that enable their mobile operating systems to exchange anonymized keys with other phones that come in close proximity. When public health officials identify a positive COVID-19 case, they will be able to notify everyone whose phone was near the patient without revealing that person’s identity. This digital contact tracing could be a critical tool as we enter the next phase of the coronavirus pandemic, but privacy experts fear the technology could outlive the crisis.”
If someone in your family has it, the entire family has to go into isolation and the contact contracting person will take care of your needs. If you go into a restaurant (when they are opened), you have to give them your phone number, address and email address that they keep on file for 30 days.
What the living fuck? And what to do ... leave my phone home all the time?
https://www.geekwire.com/2020/washington-plans-1500-person-contact-tracing-team-governor-outlines-re-opening-strategy/
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time to start trading phones with other people...
and/or maybe just turning off the phone
or leaving the phone at home.
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btw - there is nothing "subtle" about the tyranny.
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Get a burner phone.
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WTF? I’m in Washington State.
This’ll make your skin crawl.
“The tech companies plan to release software updates next month that enable their mobile operating systems to exchange anonymized keys with other phones that come in close proximity. When public health officials identify a positive COVID-19 case, they will be able to notify everyone whose phone was near the patient without revealing that person’s identity. This digital contact tracing could be a critical tool as we enter the next phase of the coronavirus pandemic, but privacy experts fear the technology could outlive the crisis.”
If someone in your family has it, the entire family has to go into isolation and the contact contracting person will take care of your needs. If you go into a restaurant (when they are opened), you have to give them your phone number, address and email address that they keep on file for 30 days.
What the living fuck? And what to do ... leave my phone home all the time?
https://www.geekwire.com/2020/washington-plans-1500-person-contact-tracing-team-governor-outlines-re-opening-strategy/
Cell phone? Ummmm, sorry, I don't own one.
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The CDC, like the IRS, the DoJ/FBI, the EPA and other agencies were weaponized by the Obama Administration.
We are now seeing the results of the weaponization, through lies and misinformation.
"Never let a crisis go to waste".
This was one of Trump’s most significant mistakes - trying to play nice, and not immediately firing the Obama appointees in every executive agency. The career bureaucrats should have been analyzed as well and fired or reassigned as necessary.
Remember in The Untouchables when the judge swapped juries in Al Capone’s trial because the first jury was bribed and tainted? They what Trump or his deputies should have done.
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This was one of Trump’s most significant mistakes - trying to play nice, and not immediately firing the Obama appointees in every executive agency. The career bureaucrats should have been analyzed as well and fired or reassigned as necessary.
Remember in The Untouchables when the judge swapped juries in Al Capone’s trial because the first jury was bribed and tainted? They what Trump or his deputies should have done.
Totally agree. CLEAN HOUSE. During my brief tenure in State government, when a new Administration came in, almost all Bureau Directors and above were replaced. For some reason I survived, but I didn't wait to stick around to see what would happen longer term.