PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: JeffDG on December 30, 2015, 10:30:40 PM
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So, now that our enlightened leadership has decided that they are not only shutting down the Spin Zone, but deleting the content, it got me to thinking.
First off, the POA Terms of Service lack an "assignment of ownership" provision. Many boards have such a provision where what you post becomes the property of the board to do with what they choose.
Second, every post on here is subject to copyright. This very post is an original work to which I hold a distinct and substantial property interest in under Title 17, United States Code. As soon as an original work is placed into a fixed medium (such as a hard drive), copyright attaches automatically.
So, by deleting all SZ content, over 362,000 posts, each of them being the personal property of the original poster, may well be a serious issue for those who have made that decision. They are, effectively, destroying private property that they do not own. The tort of "conversion" is a voluntary act by one person inconsistent with the ownership rights of another, and destruction of such property without consent would certainly be "inconsistent with the ownership rights of another."
I know what everyone is thinking...they delete posts all the time. That's true. A single post, while still the property of the poster, would result in a de minimis injury to the poster. As such, there would be no justicable damages involved. The mass deletion of 362,000 posts by hundreds of different owners is a wholly different matter.
Me...I lack the time or the inclination to pursue such a matter. It is, however, a very interesting legal question should someone show an interest. I know I'm going to have a very in-depth discussion with some friends of mine in the profession over lunch at some point.
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Me...I lack the time or the inclination to pursue such a matter. It is, however, a very interesting legal question should someone show an interest. I know I'm going to have a very in-depth discussion with some friends of mine in the profession over lunch at some point.
I'm inclined to let it go. POA came about when AOPA was going to permanently shut down their web board leaving pilots out in the cold. Several good hearted pilots created POA so we had a place to land. I don't believe they have ever meant harm, and in the end it's their sandbox, their rules. Personally, I'm thankful for all they've done over the years to provide this free service and respectfully request that folks just let it go. IMHO.
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I suspect that when you write your thoughts in someone else's book, they are not under any obligation to preserve them for you.
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Probably too late now, but how hard would it be to move all of the Spin Zone posts over here?
-Dan
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I suspect that when you write your thoughts in someone else's book, they are not under any obligation to preserve them for you.
That's why many forums have items in their terms of service saying you yield ownership of the content.
In a similar vein with the book example, you implicitly transfer ownership. But with pure virtual existence such transfer is more difficult to justify absent an explicit provision.
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So, now that our enlightened leadership has decided that they are not only shutting down the Spin Zone, but deleting the content, it got me to thinking.
First off, the POA Terms of Service lack an "assignment of ownership" provision. Many boards have such a provision where what you post becomes the property of the board to do with what they choose.
Second, every post on here is subject to copyright. This very post is an original work to which I hold a distinct and substantial property interest in under Title 17, United States Code. As soon as an original work is placed into a fixed medium (such as a hard drive), copyright attaches automatically.
So, by deleting all SZ content, over 362,000 posts, each of them being the personal property of the original poster, may well be a serious issue for those who have made that decision. They are, effectively, destroying private property that they do not own. The tort of "conversion" is a voluntary act by one person inconsistent with the ownership rights of another, and destruction of such property without consent would certainly be "inconsistent with the ownership rights of another."
I know what everyone is thinking...they delete posts all the time. That's true. A single post, while still the property of the poster, would result in a de minimis injury to the poster. As such, there would be no justicable damages involved. The mass deletion of 362,000 posts by hundreds of different owners is a wholly different matter.
Me...I lack the time or the inclination to pursue such a matter. It is, however, a very interesting legal question should someone show an interest. I know I'm going to have a very in-depth discussion with some friends of mine in the profession over lunch at some point.
Interesting. I'm going to spend the day sifting through all the posts where the lefties altered my post in a FTFY move, and sue their asses. :)
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So, now that our enlightened leadership has decided that they are not only shutting down the Spin Zone, but deleting the content, it got me to thinking.
First off, the POA Terms of Service lack an "assignment of ownership" provision. Many boards have such a provision where what you post becomes the property of the board to do with what they choose.
Second, every post on here is subject to copyright. This very post is an original work to which I hold a distinct and substantial property interest in under Title 17, United States Code. As soon as an original work is placed into a fixed medium (such as a hard drive), copyright attaches automatically.
So, by deleting all SZ content, over 362,000 posts, each of them being the personal property of the original poster, may well be a serious issue for those who have made that decision. They are, effectively, destroying private property that they do not own. The tort of "conversion" is a voluntary act by one person inconsistent with the ownership rights of another, and destruction of such property without consent would certainly be "inconsistent with the ownership rights of another."
I know what everyone is thinking...they delete posts all the time. That's true. A single post, while still the property of the poster, would result in a de minimis injury to the poster. As such, there would be no justicable damages involved. The mass deletion of 362,000 posts by hundreds of different owners is a wholly different matter.
Me...I lack the time or the inclination to pursue such a matter. It is, however, a very interesting legal question should someone show an interest. I know I'm going to have a very in-depth discussion with some friends of mine in the profession over lunch at some point.
Interesting. I'm going to spend the day sifting through all the posts where the lefties altered my post in a FTFY move, and sue their asses. :)
Copyright wise, that's what's referred to as a "transformative work" in that your content is altered by an new author.
It's also pretty close to a textbook definition of fair-use for the purposes of "criticism or commentary"
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I thought the final notice was contemptuous:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5724/24095300565_29f522950b_z.jpg)
Post and immediately close the thread - downright cowardly.
I'll be spending a whole lot less time on POA going forward.
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It is/was their sandbox and they get to make the rules.... :-[
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and they get to make up the rules as they go along.
plus the double-secret rules.
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I probably won't be spending as much time over there as I have. I'm on the AOPA board, Purple board, and AVSIG. I'll spend more time there, and come here to rant and vent. This here new spin zone is a boon, and a good relief valve.,
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Sadly, having the Spin Zone attached to the regular pilot forum drew in a lot of folks to the political discussions that were of opposing views that probably won't be coming over here. The pilot population is as diverse in the political spectrum as the general population, but it's the common interest in aviation that brings the two sides of the argument together. Without that common venue, the folks on the left will take their politics to left wing places to rant and folks on the right look to have come here. So far, this place is nice, but a little boring and without more opposing views, will likely continue to be so.
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Yeah but Dave.....
The more time pilots spend here, will dilute the feedback over there on aviation issues..... That factor was what made POA lively.. IMHO.
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Yeah but Dave.....
The more time pilots spend here will dilute the feedback over there an aviation issues..... That factor was what made POA lively.. IMHO.
This is spot on, and exactly the point of having non aviation, and political discussion on a pilot board. It did made it more lively, and that was the point all along, to differentiate it from the AOPA board. A few lib whiners ruined it, but we have Jason to thank for this additional offshoot. Its just another progression.
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The only left for the dyke moderator to do is post a list things you are permitted to discuss, and the positions you MUST take when discussing them. Good facist that she is, and all.
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Who is /was the dyke moderator, friend of Hillary's?
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Who is /was the dyke moderator, friend of Hillary's?
FC is projecting. ;)
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Who is /was the dyke moderator, friend of Hillary's?
FC is projecting. ;)
Fantasizing is more like it.
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The only left for the dyke moderator to do is post a list things you are permitted to discuss, and the positions you MUST take when discussing them. Good facist that she is, and all.
I do still like her as we go way back on boards, but FWIW, liberal/progressive rules are a form of fascism. I have been saying that for a while now. When you shut down thought, and discussion because it might "offend" it is a scary day. Everything can offend.
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The only left for the dyke moderator to do is post a list things you are permitted to discuss, and the positions you MUST take when discussing them. Good facist that she is, and all.
I do still like her as we go way back on boards, but FWIW, liberal/progressive rules are a form of fascism. I have been saying that for a while now. When you shut down thought, and discussion because it might "offend" it is a scary day. Everything can offend.
You hurt my feelings with that post you bastard.
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You hurt my feelings with that post you bastard.
LOL! Sorry! Evidently trying NOT to offend someone is offensive! ;D
I know you were kidding, btw.
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You hurt my feelings with that post you bastard.
LOL! Sorry! Evidently trying NOT to offend someone is offensive! ;D
I know you were kidding, btw.
I'm sensing you two have some microaggressions that you need to address.
:)
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I'm sensing you two have some microaggressions that you need to address.
:)
I don't even know what that means! But OK. ;D
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I'm sensing you two have some microaggressions that you need to address.
:)
I don't even know what that means! But OK. ;D
Interestingly, autocorrect doesn't even know what it means. However I understand that microaggressions are the that the delicate snowflakes on college campuses are afraid of.
Apparently, it's even a "theory":
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression_theory
:rolleyes2:
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I'm sensing you two have some microaggressions that you need to address.
:)
I don't even know what that means! But OK. ;D
Interestingly, autocorrect doesn't even know what it means. However I understand that microaggressions are the that the delicate snowflakes on college campuses are afraid of.
Apparently, it's even a "theory":
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression_theory
:rolleyes2:
Good grief. AP will be using that as source reference anytime now.
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Good grief. AP will be using that as source reference anytime now.
Are you kidding??? If you are a true liberal progressive, you have been quoting this crap for a couple of years now. Addressing he evils of micro aggressions is not only well understood in academia, but is now policy at many universities. I have come to believe that if we want to try to get the country back on an even keel, we need to start at the universities. That is where over paid people sit in insulated ivory towers and dream up new solutions to problems that eventually become policy and popular movements.
If you look at a political map of the USA, you will notice that the solid blue areas radiate from where the most prestigious universities are located. You will also notice that Europe is pretty much all left wing and progressive and that is because their universities are much older and ahead of us.
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To get America back working, we have to stop believing that government has any of the answers. Once we free ourselves of the delusion that the federal government is anything but a really clever system of bribe taking, and outright stealing, we can dismiss them as a bunch of crap and get back to work.
Think about it...
Take the federal government completely out of education and local schools are run by local school boards who have children who attend the schools they are trying to better.
Take the fed out of health care and health care goes back to being int he hands of doctors and patients, without assholes interfering for political reasons.
Take the federal government out of taxation by creating a flat tax system and collections skyrocket along with commerce.
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To get America back working, we have to stop believing that government has any of the answers.
Ain't that the truth. Look what is happening in China as a result of central planning and control by a powerful. dictatorial government. They are officially in a bear market now.
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With all the over regulation and over taxation we are so far from capitalism as a society right now. I can't even believe we still function economically.
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With all the over regulation and over taxation we are so far from capitalism as a society right now. I can't even believe we still function economically.
Have you checked OUR stock market lately? Dow Futures were down almost 400 points a few minutes ago. And down around 1,700 points in the past few weeks.
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Have you checked OUR stock market lately? Dow Futures were down almost 400 points a few minutes ago. And down around 1,700 points in the past few weeks.
Yes I have, and last year it was basically flat, or slight downturn. My bigger concern is I believe the Fed is now losing the battle to artificially prop up the markets. We could be entering an era of stagflation. My other concerns is the job market still sucks, and wages have been going backwards for several years.
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To get America back working, we have to stop believing that government has any of the answers. Once we free ourselves of the delusion that the federal government is anything but a really clever system of bribe taking, and outright stealing, we can dismiss them as a bunch of crap and get back to work.
Think about it...
Take the federal government completely out of education and local schools are run by local school boards who have children who attend the schools they are trying to better.
Take the fed out of health care and health care goes back to being int he hands of doctors and patients, without assholes interfering for political reasons.
Take the federal government out of taxation by creating a flat tax system and collections skyrocket along with commerce.
My God, are you crazy??? Taking FedGov out of all of those things would make us like .................... ............. what America used to be. Who the hell wants to revisit THOSE days? We would spin out of control! That's crazy talk, Dude.
;)
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With all the over regulation and over taxation we are so far from capitalism as a society right now. I can't even believe we still function economically.
Have you checked OUR stock market lately? Dow Futures were down almost 400 points a few minutes ago. And down around 1,700 points in the past few weeks.
wait, didn't obama tell everyone that the economy is doing great?
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wait, didn't obama tell everyone that the economy is doing great?
While the street gets pounded 400+ again today >:(
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Trying not to be 100% partisan here...
...but the Dow was at about 7,950 when Obama took office.
I don't think the President has a whole lot to do with stock market moves, but had the market dropped to 3,000 under his stewardship, the same people that give him no credit for a higher Dow would certainly have been blaming him for a lower one.
Partisanship at its finest!
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Trying not to be 100% partisan here...
...but the Dow was at about 7,950 when Obama took office.
Do you think the steps the Fed took to support the stock market, at the expense of the working class, was worth it?
Yeah, I made a bunch of money off the stock market during the past few years. But I still think that the policies that supported that rise are the same policies that held back the "middle class". And now, the stock market is showing its fragility since it is not based on fundamentals but rather on cheap money.
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Trying not to be 100% partisan here...
...but the Dow was at about 7,950 when Obama took office.
Do you think the steps the Fed took to support the stock market, at the expense of the working class, was worth it?
Yeah, I made a bunch of money off the stock market during the past few years. But I still think that the policies that supported that rise are the same policies that held back the "middle class". And now, the stock market is showing its fragility since it is not based on fundamentals but rather on cheap money.
Yup..
It is a question of time when the whole Ponzi scheme collapses....
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Yup..
It is a question of time when the whole Ponzi scheme collapses....
Again, to be fair, I heard that in the 1980's with the Dow around 1,000 as well.
A lot of doom-and-gloomers have missed out big time if fear kept them away from equities.
But whatever lets you sleep at night!
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Was it worth all the debt that has been accumulated by the Fed to fund QE?
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Yup..
It is a question of time when the whole Ponzi scheme collapses....
Henning! You made it! Welcome to the new wild west.