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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Username on October 03, 2023, 12:54:59 PM
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So the Motion to Vacate and table the discussion fails 208 - 218. This means he will face an official Motion to Vacate his position as speaker. He's been effective on some things, a failure on others. What say you? A good thing to get someone new? Who?
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It's no secret I despise McCarthy. He's the protégé of another fuckin' loser, Paul Ryan.
I'm sick and tired of the party of gracious losers.
Back to the speakership. I think it's time for congress to stop picking the speaker from members of congress. Go out and find a real leader, someone who will get the job done and not play the games of politics. Someone who is not consumed by lobbyist, and is not consumed with fundraising for their party.
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This has become a clusterfuck, and I blame Gaetz.
McCarthy has a challenge in wrangling Republican members of congress to do anything. It’s not all his fault.
Now Gaetz comes in and does this, and now Republicans have to vote on a speaker, and NO ONE IS RUNNING. Gaetz is disruptive but doesn’t have plans to fix things.
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So the Motion to Vacate and table the discussion fails 208 - 218. This means he will face an official Motion to Vacate his position as speaker. He's been effective on some things, a failure on others. What say you? A good thing to get someone new? Who?
Donald J. Trump. He’ll get things done. Then when Biden/Harris are forced to step down because they’re there by fraud, the actual elected President will return to his rightful position as President. Perfect.
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They just tossed his ass out. 216 Yay to 210 Nay
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/matt-gaetz-kevin-mccarthy-house-speakership-10-03-23/index.html
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https://twitter.com/AbsoluteWithE/status/1708960397280035055
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Donald J. Trump. He’ll get things done. Then when Biden/Harris are forced to step down because they’re there by fraud, the actual elected President will return to his rightful position as President. Perfect.
What did he “get done” that Biden didn’t reverse on his first day as president? I can only count the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act and judicial appointments.
-Oil leases? Reversed
-XL Pipeline? Reversed
-Stay in Mexico policy? Reversed
-Border Wall? Reversed
-Trade policy? Reversed
Etc.
My point is that this is why Congress matters, and Trump can’t “do” anything about Congress. I don’t see Congress being more cooperative with him in 2024 than they were in 2017-2021.
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What did he “get done” that Biden didn’t reverse on his first day as president? I can only count the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act and judicial appointments.
-Oil leases? Reversed
-XL Pipeline? Reversed
-Stay in Mexico policy? Reversed
-Border Wall? Reversed
-Trade policy? Reversed
Etc.
My point is that this is why Congress matters, and Trump can’t “do” anything about Congress. I don’t see Congress being more cooperative with him in 2024 than they were in 2017-2021.
With the RINO caucus in the house and senate, you are correct.
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And we got the gracious exit speech.
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This has become a clusterfuck, and I blame Gaetz.
McCarthy has a challenge in wrangling Republican members of congress to do anything. It’s not all his fault.
Now Gaetz comes in and does this, and now Republicans have to vote on a speaker, and NO ONE IS RUNNING. Gaetz is disruptive but doesn’t have plans to fix things.
It is so easy to take the easy way out and blame a handful of conservative congress members, but the left side of aisle was just as pissed at mccarthy as the few brave conservatives.
He broke his deal with them AND broke his word to the right.
In the end, only the swamp really wanted his ass and that got him fired.
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Matt Gaetz is a loose cannon and is taking the Republican party down. It feels like a win for many now until it drags out for weeks trying to get agreement on a new speaker.
I didn't know McCarthy had a deal with Democrats. They didn't vote for him.
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Matt Gaetz is a loose cannon and is taking the Republican party down. It feels like a win for many now until it drags out for weeks trying to get agreement on a new speaker.
I didn't know McCarthy had a deal with Democrats. They didn't vote for him.
Agreed. We're in a lose, lose situation. Seriously. I'm not optimistic about the direction of the U.S. Territory we occupy legally as former Citizens.
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Matt Gaetz is a loose cannon and is taking the Republican party down. It feels like a win for many now until it drags out for weeks trying to get agreement on a new speaker.
I didn't know McCarthy had a deal with Democrats. They didn't vote for him.
You mean they'll actually debate this, like actually democracy?
He made concessions and promises to get this position, then reneged. I'm still waiting for the release of the Jan 6th tapes.
I'm glad he's gone and I thank God for people like Matt Gaetz.
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1709353236681970018
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I saw Jim Jordan's name floated.
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1709353236681970018
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We found out there are not many true Conservatives in the House. A lot of folks really outed themselves as part of the Uniparty.
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Nope
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You mean they'll actually debate this, like actually democracy?
He made concessions and promises to get this position, then reneged. I'm still waiting for the release of the Jan 6th tapes.
I'm glad he's gone and I thank God for people like Matt Gaetz.
I cannot understand why so called republicans are so offended that principled conservatives are refusing to emulate the fucking communist democrat party and vote in lockstep like demented democrat nazis.
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BREAKING: Hill staffer says Byron Donalds emerging as a strong contender for the Speakership from the Caucus
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https://x.com/IanJaeger29/status/1709373807587164324?s=20
Anyone know why McCarthy didn't do this?
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https://x.com/IanJaeger29/status/1709373807587164324?s=20
Anyone know why McCarthy didn't do this?
UniParty.
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We found out there are not many true Conservatives in the House. A lot of folks really outed themselves as part of the Uniparty.
Not wanting to publicly load the entire House GOP into a clown car 13 months before we elect the next president does not make one a member of the UNiParty.
Democrats remain united, as always, while Republicans look chaotic and undisciplined. Way to build the Republican brand, in the very months we need to begin to work to get the squishy middle of the country to vote for the Republican nominee.
This chaos has Trump’s prints all over it. And this idea to nominate Trump as Speaker is a wet dream to Sean Hannity.
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This chaos has Trump’s prints all over it.
Trump backed McCarthy as Speaker.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/04/trump-endorses-mccarthy-speaker-house-00076298
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/election-midterms-2022/card/trump-backs-mccarthy-for-speaker-says-he-ll-live-with-mcconnell-for-now-C0d5iD7qB10RW4MJ0WoS
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Trump backed McCarthy as Speaker.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/04/trump-endorses-mccarthy-speaker-house-00076298
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/election-midterms-2022/card/trump-backs-mccarthy-for-speaker-says-he-ll-live-with-mcconnell-for-now-C0d5iD7qB10RW4MJ0WoS
Trump did finally give Gaetz permission to vote for McCarthy, that is true. So did Gaetz now act without the imprimatur of an increasingly flailing Trump? Or does this chaos serve Trump in some way?
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Trump did finally give Gaetz permission to vote for McCarthy, that is true. So did Gaetz now act without the imprimatur of an increasingly flailing Trump? Or does this chaos serve Trump in some way?
How does it serve Trump?
BTW, funny thing this evening, FoxNews (Paul Ryan) was trying to push a Trump connection.
What’s that saying about never letting an opportunity go to waste?
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Not wanting to publicly load the entire House GOP into a clown car 13 months before we elect the next president does not make one a member of the UNiParty.
Democrats remain united, as always, while Republicans look chaotic and undisciplined. Way to build the Republican brand, in the very months we need to begin to work to get the squishy middle of the country to vote for the Republican nominee.
This chaos has Trump’s prints all over it. And this idea to nominate Trump as Speaker is a wet dream to Sean Hannity.
The need to tie anything negative to President Trump is wearing thin.
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The need to tie anything negative to President Trump is wearing thin.
Gaetz is a Trump loyalist. This isn’t that tough.
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Democrats remain united, as always, while Republicans look chaotic and undisciplined.
That’s because, unlike the Democrats, the Republicans have a faction that is pushing back against the growing tyranny of the Uniparty, example, wanting to know what all is in the budget rather than voting for back room deals that screw the American people and the entire U.S. economy.
Way to build the Republican brand, in the very months we need to begin to work to get the squishy middle of the country to vote for the Republican nominee.
This chaos has Trump’s prints all over it.
To think this is Trump, you have to think Trump IS the populist movement. He isn’t, he merely acted as catalyst. The nation has been heading toward this confrontation for a long time. Finally a portion of one of the parties has said: Enough! We need to stop this train wreck.
To have this fight, now, might not be the best strategic move to get the “squishy middle” to vote Republican, but what you see as chaos among the Republicans is actually a portion of them finally finding their testicles and doing something other than kick the can down the road. It might be the wrong thing, but if nothing else they’re signaling that the nation is in deep crisis and we cannot afford - literally, fiscally - to keep going the way we are. The budget is the most important responsibility the House has and they’re completely fucking it up. The U.S. cannot survive this. So the Republican rebels are attempting to fight back.
Maybe the answer is to educate the “squishy middle” better about what’s going on and how close the United States is to bankruptcy.
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Not wanting to publicly load the entire House GOP into a clown car ...
oh, we can count on people constantly talking about a clown car... doesn't matter if it is applicable or not... for the next 13 months we will hear "clown car" "clown car" "clown car" "clown car" "clown car" "clown car" "clown car" "clown car" "clown car" ad nauseam.
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Trump did finally give Gaetz permission to vote for McCarthy, that is true. So did Gaetz now act without the imprimatur of an increasingly flailing Trump? Or does this chaos serve Trump in some way?
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/04/10/76152153-12592351-image-a-11_1696412186472.jpg)
The republican party is in disarray. And let's place the blame where it rightfully belongs, you can thank the RINOs that are still clinging to going back to the good old days of the Bushes.
Both the senate and the house have a huge RINO caucus. The RINOs have destroyed the campaign of RDS. They just tried to oust the AG of Texas. Look at the pathetic attempt to use Chris Christie as a supposed presidential candidate. And look no further than Pierre Delecto's running mate who has worked to pivot Fox News to the left.
The RINOs keep telling everyone that they are conservative, which is a bold face lie. In reality they are no different from the democrats, minus the bat shit crazy factor.
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The two Republican debates were lame.
The worst thing going on with the lame ass debates is that the clowns seem to think they are NOT running against the communist controlled biden, instead are like a couple of posters here that think everything is about Trump.
Stupid.
Really stupid.
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The two Republican debates were lame.
The worst thing going on with the lame ass debates is that the clowns seem to think they are NOT running against the communist controlled biden, instead are like a couple of posters here that think everything is about Trump.
Stupid.
Really stupid.
If RDS, or Haley or even Scott really wanted to gain ground and eventually the nomination, they would stay on course going after the radical left, and then they would say they will stop political persecutions such as we see with DJT and the J6's. They would offer pardons the first day in office, then start disbanding the individuals behind this.
But everyone now sees why FoxNews wanted these debates, pull back the curtain and see the real reason.
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One big reason McCarthy had to go.....
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7235.0;attach=3765)
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I’m in good company. Coffee and Covid this morning:
“Get ready for lefty brains to start bursting. Representative Troy Nehls (R-Tex.) announced he will shortly file the paperwork nominating President Trump as the replacement Speaker of the House. Last night, Hannity said “he was aware” that Trump has been contacted to be the “interim speaker.” Jim Jordan told Hannity in the same segment that, while he wants Trump for President, he would be okay with Trump as interim speaker.
Wild times, people. Wild times. Who do you think should be the next Speaker of the House?”
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/
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I’m in good company. Coffee and Covid this morning:
“Get ready for lefty brains to start bursting. Representative Troy Nehls (R-Tex.) announced he will shortly file the paperwork nominating President Trump as the replacement Speaker of the House. Last night, Hannity said “he was aware” that Trump has been contacted to be the “interim speaker.” Jim Jordan told Hannity in the same segment that, while he wants Trump for President, he would be okay with Trump as interim speaker.
Wild times, people. Wild times. Who do you think should be the next Speaker of the House?”
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/
IMO the Trump for Speaker is a distraction. Not enough of the RINO caucus would support him, and definitely not the libtards.
Right now we have Jim Jordan and Byron McDonald, and either one of them would be good. Personally I prefer Byron.
The freaking out right now is coming from the establishment, as their money train has been disrupted. Don't forget, it was the establishment that got us to this point.
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https://www.theblaze.com/columns/opinion/commentary-lets-face-it-the-gop-is-the-problem
Commentary: Let’s face it: The GOP is the problem
The right has a problem. It is not merely a Mitch McConnell or Kevin McCarthy problem. It’s a Republican Party problem. Conservatives will never have leverage to fight the issues that matter in any meaningful way until we find a new home. That is the stone-cold truth.
Before we can move forward, we must face this inconvenient reality.
On Saturday, 82% of Senate Republicans and even 57% of the allegedly more conservative House GOP conference voted to continue funding every single odious Biden administration policy, including destructive inflationary spending, for another seven weeks without anything in return. In doing so, they showed that they fear a temporary partial federal shutdown more than the invasion of our border, crushing inflation and debt, the devastation of our culture, and a government that targets political opponents.
No, a government shutdown has not been “averted,” because we now face the ultimate government shutdown — indefinitely — with no strategy or political vehicle to end it.
Republicans began this year with the most auspicious potential to block Joe Biden’s agenda. They had the twin leverage points of the debt ceiling and the budget deadline, whereby they could have refused to grant Biden any more funding for his harmful policies without serious concessions. In many respects, Republicans had more leverage than ever before because they could theoretically govern with a simple majority in the House while Democrats need 60 votes to use their majority in the Senate. Moreover, unlike during the tenures of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, Democrats are saddled with an unpopular and inarticulate Democrat president who would not be able to command the bully pulpit during a shutdown fight.
So what happened?
Republicans in June gave Biden a blank check for the remainder of his term by suspending the debt ceiling until 2025 — more time than he had asked for. The debt has grown quicker than ever as a result.
The GOP’s final leverage point was the budget, and the intensification of the border invasion gave congressional Republicans the perfect mandate to fight through a government shutdown. Yet with both of these leverage points, Republican leaders showed that there is no degree of danger in which Biden can place this country that would prompt them to engage in brinksmanship. They wouldn’t even go up to the line and allow a lapse in funding at least for Sunday, when most government facilities are closed anyway. They fear one minute of a temporary funding lapse more than they fear crushing inflation, trillions in debt, millions of illegal aliens, and the FBI picking off political opponents.
I shudder to think exactly what it would take to shift Republican leaders’ attention away from the old paradigm. Everything we have been through these past few years was evidently not enough. It’s also shocking how Republicans had no problem shutting down the whole country for months, yet they zealously clamor to avoid one minute of a partial federal furlough over a weekend.
What’s clear is that nothing has changed about this party since the era of Trump began — not among leadership and not among the overwhelming majority of rank-and-file members. If they can’t fight even for a few days into a government shutdown over such popular issues and against such unpopular Democrat opponents, they will never ever fight for us.
We will now suffer through endless inflation, invasion, war on our energy and freedoms, and political persecution with zero backstop in sight. There is quite literally nothing Democrats can do that would elicit a unified, righteous response from the Republican Party. It’s not that they don’t have values — they certainly care deeply about funding Ukrainian oligarchs — it’s just that you and I are not part of their value system.
Not that we can even wait until 2025 to redress the aforementioned crises, but nothing will change then either — even if Republicans win all three branches. With such a maniacal degree of fear of a debt ceiling or budget funding lapse, Republicans will never have leverage to fulfil a single campaign promise, assuming any of those promises are even a little sincere. Democrats will always have enough votes in the Senate to filibuster any GOP budget bill. GOP leaders have made it clear that they will never allow the government to shut down for even one day. By definition, that means Democrats will always win a budget fight 100% of the time.
We need not speculate about the future when in fact this is what occurred when Republicans controlled the trifecta of government with Donald Trump as president, McConnell as Senate majority leader, and Paul Ryan as speaker of the House. As I noted earlier this year, Kevin McCarthy was House majority leader and shepherded nearly every budget bill through the floor with more support from Democrats than Republicans. Nothing has changed, and nothing will.
But it’s worse than the political math at the federal level. In more than 20 states, Republicans enjoy control of all three branches with filibuster-proof majorities. Why is it that we can barely find Republicans outside Florida willing to fight on issues such as “green” energy and illegal immigration? They wield dominant majorities — in some states to the point where there aren’t enough Democrats to populate all the committees!
Yet Republicans still betray us. At some point we have to face the music that the obstacle to reform has nothing to do with the media or the Democrats. The Republican Party is the problem.
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https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1709651764432212106?s=20 (https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1709651764432212106?s=20)
McCarthy was taking care of himself.
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https://donsurber.substack.com/p/mccarthy-lied-buh-bye
McCarthy gets Liz Cheneyed
By a vote of 216-210, the House ended Kevin McCarthy’s two-faced, double-dealing speakership, as he became the first and only person booted out as Speaker of the House. A bipartisan majority decided enough was enough with McCarthy who had promised to allow congressmen to read an appropriations bill and wait 72 hours before holding a vote. He broke that promise this weekend. Matt Gaetz moved to remove him. Gaetz and 7 other Republicans joined 208 Democrats to vote McCarthy out.
This is a payback. McCarthy and his loyalists joined Democrats to pass the Democrat budget. Gaetz used Democrats to oust McCarthy. Democrats wisely go by the Benedict Arnold Rule: never trust a turncoat.
It turns out that Jamaal Bowman pulled that fire alarm 3 days early because McCarthy’s forced resignation just set the House afire, figuratively.
Rank-and-file Republicans are as happy to see McCarthy leave as Taylor Swift is writing a song about the boyfriend she just dumped. Washington lifers are as sad as Travis Kelce will be when she dumps him.
The lifers are so mad that they are writing mean things about Gaetz.
National Review reported, “Amid a motion to vacate House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R., Calif.), former speaker Newt Gingrich urged the GOP to expel McCarthy’s ‘anti-Republican’ challenger, Matt Gaetz (R., Fla.).”
Gingrich wrote in the Jeff Bezos Post, “Gaetz obviously hates House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) — and that’s fine. If Gaetz were simply a loudmouthed junior member who attacked McCarthy every day, that would be fine, too. He would just be isolated with a small group of lawmakers who can’t figure out how to get things done. They’d huddle together seeking warmth and reassurance from their fellow incompetents.”
I like Gingrich. He could have been a successful speaker had he not impeached Bill Clinton, who turned his perjury into merely lying about sex.
For Gingrich to write this in the Bezos Post is disturbingly unpatriotic and totally not conservative because he lent credence to the most virulently anti-American news outlet in America not named AP.
He wrote, “But Gaetz has gone beyond regular drama. He is destroying the House GOP’s ability to govern and draw a sharp contrast with the policy disasters of the Biden administration.”
House Republicans’ ability to govern? Does he mean the losers who wasted two years of power by not lifting a finger to Build The Wall? What is the sharp contrast with Biden’s open borders disaster? House Republicans made Biden’s policy possible.
House Republicans’ ability to govern? Does he mean the losers who wasted two months defending Liz Cheney when she gave Nancy Pelosi cover for that January 6 witch hunt?
House Republicans’ ability to govern? Does he mean the losers who sit on the sidelines while Democrats railroad President Trump with frivolous lawsuits and indictments meant to bankrupt him in legal fees?
I will care about House Republicans when they start caring about me.
Collin Rugg, co-owner of Trending Politics, tweeted, “Interim Speaker Patrick McHenry aggressively slams the gavel as he and 200+ other Republicans fume over Kevin McCarthy's ousting.
“Where was this anger as millions of migrants poured over the southern border?
“Where was this anger as US debt rises over $33T?
“Where was this anger when the FBI rounded up Trump supporters and threw them in prison?
“Where is this anger as the ‘justice’ system tries to take out Biden’s top opponent in 2024?
“They sit back and do nothing as our country burns but fume when their buddy loses his Speaker role.”
Stepin Fetchit showed more spine than these jellyfish.
To his credit, Gaetz is fighting back against his critics.
He said, “I take no lecture on asking patriotic Americans to weigh in and contribute to this fight from those who would grovel and bend knee for the lobbyists and special interests who own our leadership.”
But Gingrich wants to expel Gaetz from Congress because Newt sold out long ago and far away. Gingrich would rather punish the man who called out McCarthy than deal with McCarthy’s ineffective leadership. The animus against Trump and Trump supporters has turned Reagan’s big tent party into a party run by clowns.
What exactly has Ronna done as RNC chairman besides raise a lot of money to keep her and her staff well paid while losing election after election after election.
Democrats are having a jolly good time, as well they should. McCarthy is a weakling who is a pale imitation of Paul Ryan who was a pale imitation of John Boehner who was a well-tanned imitation of Dennis Hastert who was a pale imitation of Gingrich who failed to fulfill that Contract With America he wrote.
While Republicans show all the discipline of Lizzo on a diet, Nancy Pelosi kept her side of the aisle in line like a Marine drill instructor.
J.J. Sefton at Ace of Spades HQ had fun with McCarthy’s sleeping arrangements when in Washington, writing, “Regardless of how effective anything the GOP can do to at least slow down let alone halt this madness, they should at least make the effort. As was evidenced yesterday by Frank Luntz’s Thai ladyboy a.k.a. Kevin McCarthy totally caving to the Dems on the continuing resolution, what does the GOP do? Go after one of the few voices of reason Matt Gaetz who rightly has moved to oust McCarthy.”
Republicans are harder on Gaetz than they are on Jamaal Bowman, Hakeem Jeffries, Nancy Pelosi and Hunter Biden combined because crooks and communists pose no threat to the RINO cash flow. Gaetz does.
The three Republicans jostling to replace McCarthy are Majority Leader Steve Scalise, Whip Tom Emmer, and Conference Chairwoman Elise Stefanik. Ordinarily, Scalise would just get the job but he’s dealing with cancer — on top of recovering from that 2017 assassination attempt by a Democrat. They are figureheads because Congress, like the rest of the federal government, is run by chiefs of staff not elected officials.
The next speaker needs to be someone who will not represent the DC Establishment but will represent Trump supporters because Republicans have a golden opportunity to ride a coming Trump landslide into a 250-185 House and a 60-40 Senate.
The Washington Examiner reported, “After over two years of the Biden presidency, people appear to be in agreement that they’d rather have Republicans in charge of handling the biggest matters facing the nation.
“On the economy, national security, and even the generic most important problem, people picked Republican leadership over Democrats in the latest Gallup survey.
“And not just by a hair. Gallup said the GOP lead in leadership is the biggest in over two decades.”
Gallup said, “Republicans’ 14-percentage-point lead in public preferences for keeping the country prosperous is up from a 10-point margin last year and is its widest advantage on this measure since mid-1991.”
Republicans blew that opportunity in 1991 when George H.W. Bush said, “Read my lips: no new taxes” — and then agreed to new taxes. You can put Peggy Noonan’s words in a Bush but you cannot make him Reagan.
Look for McCarthy to join Newt and Ryan at the Fox News henhouse, where he will talk a big game and do nothing.
Just as he did as speaker.
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But hey, Kevin gave a gracious speech afterwards...........
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Newt needs to back off, he's no longer relevant.
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Newt needs to back off, he's no longer relevant.
Notice the ones who are crying the loudest about this? Yep, establishment republicans.
Even the Turtle now wants the motion to vacate done away with. They are wounded.
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IMO the Trump for Speaker is a distraction. Not enough of the RINO caucus would support him, and definitely not the libtards.
Right now we have Jim Jordan and Byron McDonald, and either one of them would be good. Personally I prefer Byron.
The freaking out right now is coming from the establishment, as their money train has been disrupted. Don't forget, it was the establishment that got us to this point.
I’m leaning to Byron, unless he gives me a reason not to.
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Newt needs to back off, he's no longer relevant.
Truer words have rarely been spoken (or posted).
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https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1709544634794262972?s=46&t=fwCnTpHvsfVg2_vmAKTxQQ&fbclid=IwAR1gGngMXDdcBgpvuloaGZrXA33aZ76s_AcRyKXVP3JBw-XmWOvz2t4S-Ew_aem_ASDtjdmbkQBp4DjzC8WghPmeLk6lh5U73ZiZwwQKxkEH8eqmFqV9ZyvvBa8IE8FQAs4&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
Let's cut to the chase
Gaetz is a POS demagogue who repeatedly lied during the House floor debate yesterday, and then, of course, simultaneously was fundraising and collecting email lists on behalf of the people. He insisted that the House failed to bring up 12 separate appropriations bills. The fact is they could not get them out of committee because Democrats wanted to spend a great deal more, which would have blown up the budget further, and conservatives opposed the bills. It had nothing to do with a refusal by McCarthy to oppose regular order. McCarthy refused to go along with a CR that essentially adopted the Senate omnibus spending agreed to, yet again, by McConnell and Schumer. Yet, Gaetz kept insisting otherwise. Gaetz said he's sick and tired of deficit spending and pointed to the $33 trillion debt. I know of few conservatives who disagree. But what has he done about it? He didn't go to the House floor, certainly not on a regular and sustained basis, and hammer away on the outrageous, massive spending for COVID funds, which were used for every imaginable purpose other than COVID and drove the debt through the roof. Gaetz demanded that the former speaker intervene in his ethics investigation and kill it, and despite text messages to the contrary, denied it. During his ramblings yesterday, Gaetz blamed House Republicans, who passed the most aggressive bill to secure the border from the ongoing invasion orchestrated by Biden and the Democrats, for not securing the border. And the worst, to me, is Gaetz working with the Marxists in the Democrat Party, who are literally destroying our country politically, culturally, and every other way, then denying it, while accusing the former speaker of being the Democrats' speaker, trashing Jim Jordan and Jamie Comer's investigations, accusing Chip Roy of being a RINO, and not uttering one word against Hakeem Jeffries, AOC, or the rest of the reprobates. At the same time, he was frantically fundraising off his anarchy, on behalf of the people and the republic, of course, positioning himself as the David taking on Goliath. Gaetz and the others wound up killing the greatest effort to slash domestic spending in our lifetimes (30%), worked out with the Senate conservatives who wanted to use the House bill as leverage against McConnell, and now the Democrats control it all. This had nothing to do with saving the country, regular order, the debt, etc. This was an unprincipled, personal, political attack led by a demagogue who repeatedly lies to conservatives and the public generally, and who is the favorite Republican of the Democrat Party and their media.
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The Republicans (UNIPARTY) are, for the most part Democrats with a different name. They are now the enemy as are the Democrats. Both are ruining this territory. It won't change until we have a Depression or worse, then people will be negatively affected enough to wake up, I am sick of this shit. They are ALL THE SAME except for the very few.
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I guess the consensus of the establishment republicans was: “How DARE anyone oppose our spend and steal policies!!!” and some posters here are fully on board with that strategy.
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I guess the consensus of the establishment republicans was: “How DARE anyone oppose our spend and steal policies!!!” and some posters here are fully on board with that strategy.
Do you think Mark Levin is an establishment Republican?
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Do you think Mark Levin is an establishment Republican?
Nope. But I think you and 99% of everyone else whining about it are.
There can be no improvement without change and change seems to be the enemy to you mushy middle guys.
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Most people seem to be missing Styx’s take, which is spot on as usual. It is ideologically correct to remove him, but strategically very risky.
There is no “right” or “wrong” here. No solutions, only trade offs in the words of Thomas Sowell. My opinion is it’s better to do something rather than nothing which would continue the status quo, but I am desperately hoping it leads to a better, not worse, speaker, from the standpoint of the reform we desperately need.
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Do you think Mark Levin is an establishment Republican?
Based on his response, it sure looks like it.
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Whitlock: ‘The Gaetzful Eight’ provide a blueprint for how we fight the global elite
Righteousness has never needed a majority to be heard and to win. We should not be surprised that it only took eight Republicans to bring down Kevin McCarthy, the speaker of the House and, until Tuesday afternoon, the man third in line for the presidency.
Let’s call them “The Gaetzful Eight,” the small band of House Republicans whom Florida’s Matt Gaetz convinced to speak and act on behalf of the people who voted them into office rather than acquiesce to a corrupt status quo.
I’m grateful for their courage. Gaetz, Tim Burchett (Tenn.), Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Ken Buck (Colo.), Eli Crane (Ariz.), Nancy Mace (S.C.), Matt Rosendale (Mont.), and Bob Good (Va.) made history on Tuesday afternoon. They held McCarthy accountable for selling out the voters who empowered him, for cutting deals with the uniparty establishment that chooses to ignore and silence the concerns of half of America.
Removing McCarthy as speaker of the House was an act of righteousness. It gives voice to the voiceless. It’s the most significant political act of defiance since the election of Donald Trump in 2016.
But let me be clear. I’m not calling Trump or “The Gaetzful Eight” righteous. They’re not. None of us are. They’re unrighteous tools who occasionally allow themselves to be used to speak and act in the best interest of the people the establishment wants to exploit, oppress, and remove.
The political, corporate, and ideological globalists have demonized American nationalists and the working class. Through fear, medical tyranny, well-organized acts of domestic terrorism, and election “fortifying,” they’ve systematically stripped us of fundamental freedoms and our ability to push back against government overreach.
If we protest in public, the establishment’s FBI informants agitate violence and we get sent to jail.
The establishment stopped Christians from attending church, tricked us into wearing masks, defined citizens with traditional patriotic values as racists, opened our southern border to criminals, and sanctioned sexualizing and confusing children about gender. They took billions of our tax dollars and funneled it to Ukraine. They’re baiting Russia into a nuclear conflict.
The pharmaceutical companies and the Black Lives Matter-LGBTQ Alphabet Mafia dictate and manipulate what can be discussed on public platforms.
That’s why I’m so grateful to “The Gaetzful Eight.”
Sometimes I fall into cynicism. I start to believe America’s problems are unfixable and that the rise of secularism and Marxism cannot be thwarted. “The Gaetzful Eight” reinvigorated me. They made me think of Gideon, his army of 300, and the book of Judges.
What happened in the House on Tuesday reminded me that for righteousness to win, it does not need numbers. It only needs a small band of men and women willing to trust and obey God.
This morning I re-read the story of Gideon and how he saved Israel from the Midianites with trumpets and lanterns. The Midianites had 135,000 soldiers. Israel had 32,000.
Israel was plagued by idolatry, the worship of false gods. Their idolatry caused their “children to do evil in the sight of the Lord.” God allowed the Midianites to conquer and oppress Israel.
God first instructed Gideon to tear down the places where Israelites worshiped Baal and false gods. Gideon obeyed, but he was scared. He tore down the altars at night, hoping he wouldn’t be recognized. The Israelites wanted to kill Gideon. His father had to plead for his son’s life.
After he survived tearing down the places of idol worship, God then instructed Gideon to release every Israeli soldier who was scared. Twenty-two thousand soldiers went home. God said 10,000 soldiers were still too many. He told Gideon to take them to a river and have them drink water. He said send the soldiers home who got on their knees and lapped the water like dogs. Only 300 soldiers used their hands to drink the water.
With those 300 men, Gideon defeated the Midianite army. The noise from the trumpets and the light from the lanterns confused the Midianites. They started fighting among themselves. They started killing themselves and then retreated.
The point is obvious. We don’t need numbers to be heard. We don’t need numbers to win the battle of good versus evil battle occurring in America. We need to obey God. We need to be strategic, smart, and bold.
Our nation is plagued by idolatry. I wrote a column on Monday about how the left is using Taylor Swift and Deion Sanders to completely convert the NFL into a platform that promotes secular and liberal values. Swift and Sanders are idols that advance radical materialism, the matriarchy, abortion, and pop culture debauchery.
I explained that football was built by Christian conservatives and had been an institution that encouraged patriotism, respect for the military and law enforcement, and religious faith. I argued that we should not surrender professional and college football to the left.
I offered a way for us to fight back. I suggested we use American television’s largest platform — the Super Bowl — as a tool to elevate our voices on a multitude of issues.
We’re being silenced. We can’t gather to protest. Corporate and social media platforms diminish or ban our voices. Most politicians refuse to speak for us. Mail-in ballot harvesting has made our elections unreliable and untrustworthy.
Let’s boycott Super Bowl Sunday. Let’s damage Super Bowl TV ratings as a means to draw attention to illegal immigration, transgenderism, the political weaponization of the Department of Justice, the unfair prosecution of January 6 defendants, COVID tyranny, the lack of election integrity, the illegality of the Federal Reserve system, diversity, equity, and inclusion destroying merit, the military, and education, the rampant lawlessness in major cities, the World Economic Forum, and the environmental, social, and governance movement.
I could go on and on. The Bud Light boycott worked. It put a scare into the global corporate forces transitioning America to communism. Super Bowl Sunday is the perfect day to express our dissatisfaction with the uniparty and the corporations that fund our political elites.
It’s a way to make our voices heard. We need a handful of conservative content creators to mimic the courage of “The Gaetzful Eight,” and we could launch an event that speaks for the voiceless and allows us to make demands of the establishment.
This is what the leftists have been doing for decades. They threaten boycotts to shake down the powers that be. We can do the same. Let’s do it Super Bowl Sunday.
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Most people seem to be missing Styx’s take, which is spot on as usual. It is ideologically correct to remove him, but strategically very risky.
There is no “right” or “wrong” here. No solutions, only trade offs in the words of Thomas Sowell. My opinion is it’s better to do something rather than nothing which would continue the status quo, but I am desperately hoping it leads to a better, not worse, speaker, from the standpoint of the reform we desperately need.
I disagree that there is no right or wrong. Gaetz may have won the battle, but put Republicans at serious risk of losing the war, with the war being the November 2024 election. The squishy middle will see Republicans unable to govern, while the Marxists on the left side of the aisle sit and look like the sane ones.
You fight this battle when you have the numbers; you don’t fight the battle by needing to side with the Marxist wing of the House of Representatives.
Have you asked yourself why all the Democrats were willing to side with the Gaetz 8? What’s in it for them? Maybe McCarthy was better for conservatives than they thought.
I’ll side with Mark Levin, Jim Jordan, Thomas Massie, Wisconsin conservatives in the House and other conservatives over Matt Gaetz.
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I disagree that there is no right or wrong. Gaetz may have won the battle, but put Republicans at serious risk of losing the war, with the war being the November 2024 election. The squishy middle will see Republicans unable to govern, while the Marxists on the left side of the aisle sit and look like the sane ones.
You fight this battle when you have the numbers; you don’t fight the battle by needing to side with the Marxist wing of the House of Representatives.
Have you asked yourself why all the Democrats were willing to side with the Gaetz 8? What’s in it for them? Maybe McCarthy was better for conservatives than they thought.
I’ll side with Mark Levin, Jim Jordan, Thomas Massie, Wisconsin conservatives in the House and other conservatives over Matt Gaetz.
"Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it’s evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.[1] Unsuccesful rebellions indeed generally establish the incroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is a medecine necessary for the sound health of government." - Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, January 30, 1787
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The Chief Establishment Turtle
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1709647381178769758
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the mcconnell response is EXACTLY why we cannot stand, (I think nddons really means kneel abd beg) at the altar of newt, ryan, mccarthy, romney and the rest.
The scumbag contingent in government wouldn't speak to, or with conservatives excwept to tell us to contribute money and then shut the fuck up.
Falling for sound bite instructions from swamp dwellers is a losers bet and embraced by losers, liars, and cowards alike.
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I am blatantly stealing this from somebody on Twitter.
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the mcconnell response is EXACTLY why we cannot stand, (I think nddons really means kneel abd beg) at the altar of newt, ryan, mccarthy, romney and the rest.
The scumbag contingent in government wouldn't speak to, or with conservatives excwept to tell us to contribute money and then shut the fuck up.
Falling for sound bite instructions from swamp dwellers is a losers bet and embraced by losers, liars, and cowards alike.
Fuck off. I don’t need to prove my conservative bonafides to a guy who argues like a teenage girl.
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Fuck off. I don’t need to prove my conservative bonafides to a guy who argues like a teenage girl.
Ohhh… did umms get his feewings hurted???
The reason you can’t prove your “conservative bonafides, (whatever that bullshit means to you) is because you have none.
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Fuck off. I don’t need to prove my conservative bonafides to a guy who argues like a teenage girl.
In the spirit of “What is a woman?” let’s see if we can figure out “What is a conservative?”
This NOT directed at you, Stan, it’s not for me to say where you fit in, but this is an interesting discussion and you mentioning the word “conservative” made it an appropriate place to put this.
I had no idea there was a revolt against the machine in the 40s and 50s. And Styx disses the rebel hippies of the 60s hilariously. (Even though he looks just like one!) He differentiates between conservatives, neocons, and populists, with a nod at the end to nationalism and the strongest most succinct defense of it I’ve ever heard.
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A conservative believes in low taxes, small government, and the rights of the individual over the agenda of government.
A conservative isn't led around by the nose by sound bite media, or whatever pop culture says - subject to change without notice.
A conservative sees thru the smoke of the politicians and decides what is right without waiting to be told what they think.
A conservative isn't afraid to go against the tide of popular opinion, and eschews pretending to be whatever the pack is in favor of, choosing integrity of popularity.
A conservative served their country, their community, and their conscience; paid their own mortgage, raised their won children, and secured their education, without waiting for the government to do it for them.
A conservative wont hesitate to criticize one of their own party when they're wrong, but refuses to pretend when it is popular.
A conservative supports life over convenience, justice over equity, competence over quotas, and hard work over dependency.
A conservative stands up when posers back off, speaks up when cowards remain silent, and backs up their truth with action, instead of worrying about how others will react.
A conservative sees thru the liars, criminals, and idiots, no matter how popular they are.
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A conservative believes in low taxes, small government, and the rights of the individual over the agenda of government.
A conservative isn't led around by the nose by sound bite media, or whatever pop culture says - subject to change without notice.
A conservative sees thru the smoke of the politicians and decides what is right without waiting to be told what they think.
A conservative isn't afraid to go against the tide of popular opinion, and eschews pretending to be whatever the pack is in favor of, choosing integrity of popularity.
A conservative served their country, their community, and their conscience; paid their own mortgage, raised their won children, and secured their education, without waiting for the government to do it for them.
A conservative wont hesitate to criticize one of their own party when they're wrong, but refuses to pretend when it is popular.
A conservative supports life over convenience, justice over equity, competence over quotas, and hard work over dependency.
A conservative stands up when posers back off, speaks up when cowards remain silent, and backs up their truth with action, instead of worrying about how others will react.
A conservative sees thru the liars, criminals, and idiots, no matter how popular they are.
You are describing domestic terrorists, according to the FBI.
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You are describing domestic terrorists, according to the FBI.
The fbi is the biggest criminal syndicate in American history.
Fuck them if they don't like the truth.
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LOL!!!
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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/after-shutdown-blunder-mcconnells-leadership-on-unsure-footing/
After Shutdown Missteps, McConnell’s Leadership on Unsure Footing
Senate Republicans went against the wishes of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell over Ukraine funding in the shutdown showdown.
Kevin McCarthy, the former Speaker of the House, is the biggest loser in what has transpired on Capitol Hill over the last week—for now. McCarthy has said he won’t be making a play to regain the Speaker’s gavel, but how history will record McCarthy’s tenure in, and sudden eviction from, the Speaker’s office is yet to be determined. Much depends on who the House chooses to fill McCarthy’s shoes, and whether that new Speaker can deliver the proper appropriations bills and avoid another continuing resolution that would likely result in another holiday omnibus. If the next speaker fails to accomplish that goal, the brief chapter of American history in which McCarthy was speaker will be written with melancholic and wistful tones rather than tragic or acerbic. In the end, the biggest loser could be Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
Amidst the raucousness of the more junior chamber, McConnell’s brutal defeat by his own conference in the lead-up to the September 30 deadline to avoid a government shutdown has largely flown under the radar. Nevertheless, what occurred in the Senate’s Republican conference over the past few weeks could spell the beginning of the end for the longest serving leader of a party the upper chamber has ever seen.
After Senator Susan Collins of Maine, the leading Republican on the Senate Appropriations Committee, and Appropriations Chair Senator Patty Murray first failed to pass single-subject appropriations bills and then failed to pass minibus packages that would have bundled appropriations bills together, Appropriations leadership and Senate leadership went forward with a continuing resolution.
The Senate’s efforts to pass a budget and the necessary appropriations bills, Senator Rick Scott of Florida told The American Conservative via phone, was knee-capped by senate leadership, particularly Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, simply not “bringing it up.” Leadership, Scott said, “waited until halfway through halfway through September before we even brought to the floor any of this. It makes it pretty hard to get something done when you don't even start working on it.” This goes for not just the weeks prior to the shutdown, but for the months prior, dating back to the spring when most of the work on appropriations should be done. “We should have been doing the budget starting in the spring and try to get it all done by the middle of June,” Scott, who previously challenged McConnell for the Senate GOP’s top spot, argued.
As McConnell, Schumer, and the others negotiated the terms of the continuing resolution, the Senate Minority Leader met with members of the Biden administration, notably National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan and Secretary of State Antony Blinken, regarding provisions to provide further funding for Ukraine. The Biden White House had been asking for $24 billion for Ukraine over the course of three months, but McConnell reportedly informed the administration that it wouldn't be possible to pass in a continuing resolution.
To support Ukraine’s war effort, which McConnell sees as tied more closely to his legacy than, say, the border, the Kentucky Republican believed the continuing resolution should include language that moved already appropriated money to further funding for Ukraine. The Biden administration was insistent, however; Blinken told McConnell to get funding for Ukraine, and McConnell obliged. It is rumored on Capitol Hill that in the process of drafting the continuing resolution among Senate leadership that it was McConnell, not Schumer, who was most insistent on providing funding for Ukraine. Schumer, likely wanting to avoid a shutdown and knowing the situation in the House, was seemingly prepared to drop funding for Ukraine in the continuing resolution in exchange for fewer spending cuts on domestic programs or protection for disaster relief funding.
The contents of the Senate’s continuing resolution, which would fund the government through November 17 and provide approximately $6 billion for both Ukraine and disaster relief, respectively, became public on September 26. Senators received the 79-page bill, a difficult piece of legislation to read and decipher because of various appropriations pots and a bevy of cross references, less than an hour before Senate leadership wanted to vote on the motion to proceed.
“Most Americans would be shocked to learn that the majority of spending legislation passed by Congress is seldom read, debated, or even voted upon in person," Senator Mike Lee of Utah told TAC about the rush to vote on the continuing resolution via email. "To prevent any attempts at reforming this system, funding bills and debt limit fights are always pushed as critical emergencies, so that any legislator who tries to hit the brakes can be portrayed as selfishly shutting down America’s government. The half-hour we were given to read the C.R. was many things—insulting, unreasonable, unworkable—but sadly not surprising.”
“People just give us things and then are surprised if we don't like it,” Scott explained. “What they do is they'll drop a big bill on us so we have no opportunity to review it and expect a few hours later that we vote on it. And I think the expectation is that we're little robots and we're just going to go along with whatever anybody proposes.”
Ultimately, the Senate voted 77 to 19 in favor of proceeding on the Senate’s continuing resolution.
“Days before the end of the fiscal year, the Senate leadership threatened the American people with a choice: fund our proxy war against a nuclear power in Ukraine or the government will shut down,” Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky told TAC in a written statement. “I will not allow the government to be held hostage and made clear on the Senate floor that I would oppose any effort to expedite the passage of any measure that contained new Ukraine funding. That objection bought enough time for my colleagues to realize they are out of touch with a war weary nation that does not want to become involved in another endless quagmire abroad.”
Scott, upon seeing the contents of the continuing resolution and the funding for Ukraine it provided, circumvented McConnell and told McCarthy that the Senate could likely get behind a continuing resolution that excluded Ukraine funding but protected disaster relief funding—intel that McCarthy ultimately acted on.
“Well, what I've done is talk to people so I have a very good working relationship with a lot of people in the House,” Scott said of his actions. “I've tried to build a very good working relationship with Kevin McCarthy and Steve Scalise and all the leadership over there and just asking, 'what can you get done?'” In his meeting with McCarthy, Scott claimed, “I told [McCarthy] what I thought could get done in the Senate, and I'd always tried to be clear that I wanted to get something accomplished here. I didn’t want a government shutdown. Nobody I was talking to wanted a government shutdown.”
McCarthy “was very clear he could not get a C.R. done with spending for Ukraine. He was very clear that that was not doable. So I was very clear to my colleagues that was a non-starter, and I hope that we would all do everything we can to make it a win," said Scott.
Republican Senators had mixed emotions about the provisions of the continuing resolution that was coming out of the House. Some thought that modest spending cuts were better than none, while others wanted to table fights over spending cuts. Some Senators were enthused by the inclusion of some provisions of H.R. 2, the Secure the Border Act, while others wanted even more border security guarantees. And, predictably, Senate Republicans were starkly divided when it came to funding for Ukraine. When the House’s continuing resolution failed on Friday afternoon, however, the Senate had to start rethinking the product they might be presented with.
Late Friday, McCarthy filed a new continuing resolution that, like the Senate continuing resolution, would fund the government through November 17 and notified the House Republican conference of his actions the following morning. Meanwhile, in the Senate, McConnell made a last ditch effort to vie for the continuing resolution he’d negotiated with Schumer with emphasis on funding for Ukraine.
On Saturday morning, the Senate Republican conference had a luncheon where they’d discuss their final play to avert a government shutdown. Sources who were present tell TAC that McConnell was approximately 30 minutes late to the meeting. After getting settled in, McConnell eventually rose to begin the meeting, and proceeded to give a lack-luster speech about the virtues of the Senate’s version of the continuing resolution. McConnell repeatedly told members that Republican Senators simply have to go along with the McConnell-Schumer continuing resolution and the funding that it provides Ukraine because, if not, the government will shut down.
When TAC asked Senator Mike Lee of Utah about McConnell’s remarks, Lee told TAC that “one of my usually mild-mannered colleagues blurted out 'are shutdowns as unpopular as Ukraine funding?' McConnell didn’t answer. He had another moderate Senator take the podium to reiterate the argument, but his message was not well received, and was not echoed by any other member.” That moderate member Lee references, TAC was told, was Collins.
Other members of the conference, however, sent a powerful message to McConnell: They would not be threatened with a shutdown into voting for Ukraine. Rather, Senate Republicans refused to move forward on the Senate’s continuing resolution, thereby empowering the Republican-controlled House to exact as many concessions as possible out of Schumer and Biden, which McCarthy did with little success, and, in an ironic twist, actually keep the government open because the McConnell-Schumer, Ukraine-funding continuing resolution was clearly and obviously dead on arrival in the House of Representatives.
When it was Lee’s turn to speak, the Utah Senator told TAC that he told his Republican colleagues "we need to give the House the chance to make the next move. We know that House and Senate Dems are working together—and they want Schumer-McConnell to pass. That should tell us something.”
“If we provide enough votes to achieve cloture today, we will be working against the House GOP,” Lee told TAC, paraphrasing his previous remarks. “Senate Republicans need to take down cloture on this bill, which offends so many of our voters and our allies in the House. The bill would provide at least $6.15 billion (likely more) in additional Ukraine funding—on which Democrats are united but Republicans are deeply divided. Meanwhile, it contains nothing to advance priorities that unite Republicans—nothing to secure the border, cut spending, or tame the out-of-control executive branch.”
In Scott’s remarks and conversations at the Saturday luncheon, the Florida Senator told TAC that he “tried to be clear with my colleagues where they were in the House,” and that “they needed Republicans in the Senate to make sure they didn't pass the existing Schumer-McConnell CR that had the Ukraine funding.”
Doing so “would have ended up shutting down the government and that would have been dead on arrival in the House,” Scott said that he explained in the meeting. The best way to assist the House was “if we all stuck together and didn't get cloture to the Schumer McConnell C.R. with Ukraine aid.”
“So we stood up and didn't give them cloture on the Schumer-McConnell C.R. with Ukraine aid,” Scott said. “I think all of us agreed we shouldn't be doing Ukraine funding as part of a spending bill in our C.R. It should be its own separate bill, and we got to have a robust conversation about what we were doing,” Scott told TAC.
In the end, “Senate leadership tried to get Ukraine jammed into the CR and they just got bucked. McConnell negotiated it in the CR. And he couldn’t carry the caucus,” Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri said after the Saturday luncheon, according to POLITICO. “That’s a big deal.”
For the first time in a long time, it appears McConnell’s iron grip on power over the Republican conference in the senate is loosening. Senators in the Republican conference are feeling increasingly emboldened to behave like the senior legislators their title bestows upon them, and not be an army of “little robots” for McConnell, to borrow a term from Scott.
“The tide is turning,” Paul told TAC. “Although we managed to remove the $6 billion for Ukraine from the continuing resolution last week, the uniparty will remain adamant that the American taxpayers bankroll their war. I will continue doing everything in my power to ensure we put the security and prosperity of the American people first.”
“For the first time in years, we’re seeing a critical mass of the Republican conference rejecting last-minute, panic-driven-by-design funding bills; we are instead insisting upon actual debate and advancing conservative policies as we were elected to do,” Lee claimed. "We might be witnessing the “beginning of the end” of business as usual in the Senate.”
Unfortunately, this increase in independence and confidence for the Republican caucus coincides with a series of troubling health episodes for the 81-year-old minority leader. TAC asked Scott whether he believes McConnell’s failing health has had a role in the conference’s willingness to deny his wishes in the shutdown showdown. “It didn’t in mine,” Scott replied.
But Scott hopes that things continue to change as more members feel empowered. “Everybody needs to be heard, we need to do everything we can to help everybody be a successful Republican senator, and we need to build a relationship with our House partners and act in concert with our House partners,” Scott told TAC. “When you look at the fact that McConnell and some other Republicans have voted with the Democrats on all these prior big spending bills, you wonder if they care about what we think,” he added.
As the leaves turn and begin to fall, one Republican leader has, too. By winter, will another prone to freezing have followed suit?
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I'm not a fan of Scalise, but I'm willing to see how he performs. Just don't have my hopes up.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4250062-steve-scalise-wins-gop-speaker-nomination/
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I'm not a fan of Scalise, but I'm willing to see how he performs. Just don't have my hopes up.
I know nothing about him. We'll see his true colors once he has the chair.
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Doing a bit of research on Scalise, how much does his health factor into his role as Speaker? He's currently battling multiple myeloma with chemo. The Speaker role is very demanding. Would we really want someone who is not 100% trying to do what needs to be done? This has nothing to do with his positions, which I know nothing about. But rather his stamina.
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Doing a bit of research on Scalise, how much does his health factor into his role as Speaker? He's currently battling multiple myeloma with chemo. The Speaker role is very demanding. Would we really want someone who is not 100% trying to do what needs to be done? This has nothing to do with his positions, which I know nothing about. But rather his stamina.
He’s kinda swampy. And the establishment doesn’t care about health as long as he does what he’s told.
We’ll see.
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Doing a bit of research on Scalise, how much does his health factor into his role as Speaker? He's currently battling multiple myeloma with chemo. The Speaker role is very demanding. Would we really want someone who is not 100% trying to do what needs to be done? This has nothing to do with his positions, which I know nothing about. But rather his stamina.
This is not a concern. If it was, we wouldn't have Biden.
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https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/1712182225943318874
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https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/1712182225943318874
Jim Jordon would get the needed votes. But the UniParty doesn't want him in there.
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The republicans could put an end to this shit show if they went outside of congress.
They need Lee Zeldin.
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https://www.axios.com/2023/10/12/steve-scalise-drops-out-house-speaker
House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.) announced Thursday he's abandoning his campaign for House speaker after a persistent group of GOP holdouts refused to budge.
Why it matters: It leaves Republicans without a GOP nominee for the job nine days after former Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) was ousted – to the growing frustration of GOP lawmakers.
"I was very clear we have to have everybody put their agendas on the side and focus on what this country needs this country is counting on us," Scalise told reporters on Thursday.
"But there's some folks that really need to look in the mirror over the next couple of days and decide are we going to get it back on track, or they're going to try to pursue their own agenda," he said.
Scalise said he will remain in his role as House majority leader, and he has no plans to endorse another speaker candidate at this time.
Zoom in: Scalise won the nomination on Wednesday by a 113-99 margin, but on Thursday it became clear he wasn't making the progress needed to risk a vote on the House floor.
The House GOP is in a tight spot, with any combination of five Republicans being enough to sink a speaker bid — at least without help from Democrats.
What's next: House Judiciary Chair Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) narrowly lost the nomination to Scalise, and could now contest the nomination again.
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The republicans could put an end to this shit show if they went outside of congress.
They need Lee Zeldin.
Yeah he’d be good. He’s got leukemia though but it’s in remission and that’s no worse than Biden’s dementia.
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Yeah he’d be good. He’s got leukemia though but it’s in remission and that’s no worse than not nearly as bad as Biden’s dementia.
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Y'all realize we could end up with a Democrat speaker, right?
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Y'all realize we could end up with a Democrat speaker, right?
If the RINO Caucus decides to vote for Hakeem, then yes.
We could hope they wouldn't be that stupid, but they are the republican wing of the democrat party.
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https://warroom.org/mike-rogers-former-cos-is-a-ukraine-lobbyist/
A Top Advisor To Rep. Mike Rogers – Who’s Blocking Jim Jordan’s Speakership – Is A Lobbyist For The Ukraine Government.
Why is Rep. Mike Rogers so opposed to the prospect of a Speaker Jim Jordan? Even pledging to “work with Democrats” to stop the Trump-endorsed candidate?
In short: Rep. Rogers, the Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, is bought and paid for by the defense industry.
He was the top recipient of weapons industry contributions in the 2022 election cycle, at a hefty figure of over $440,000. Some of his top contributors include Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, and L3Harris Technologies.
Forbes even called him the “Arms Industry’s Dream Representative.” The same industry that desperately wants aid to Ukraine to continue.
What’s more, his former decade-long Chief of Staff, Senior Advisor, and Legislative Director “handling all national security policy issues” Andy Keiser departed Rep. Rogers office to become a lobbyist at Navigators Global LLC.
A Senior Principal at the firm since 2017, Navigator Global LLC is a registered lobbyist on behalf of the Ukrainian government as of April 2022. Keiser’s firm represents the “Committee on National Security, Defence and Intelligence Verkhovna Rada (Parliament) of Ukraine” providing “government relations consulting, public advocacy and education.”
Among the Ukrainians Navigators Global LLC is working on behalf of are Chairman of the Subcommittee on Defense Industry and Technical Modernization and Chairman of the Subcommittee of National Security and Defense.
A letter outlining the agreement details how the Ukrainian foreign agent “require your efforts to educate and advocate to United States policymakers in the U.S. Congress and in the Biden Administration on the critical needs of our country as a result of the Russian invasion to Ukraine.”
Specifically, the Ukrainian Parliament wanted “assistance during this conflict to further educate and advocate to key members of the U.S. Congress and the Biden Administration on our war and humanitarian requirements.”
“Please establish appropriate contact with members of the U.S. House of Representatives and U.S. Senate defense and foreign relations committees and U.S. Congressional leadership as requested. Please also establish appropriate contact with Biden Administration officials. As possible, the Committee will also provide members of Ukraine parliament and other Ukraine officials for video or telephonic calls to augment your efforts. We are also pleased that you may be utilizing former military experts in the region to validate the requirements presented.”
“Last, please establish a robust public affairs campaign to focus on the critical needs of Ukraine to reach key U.S officials and stakeholders in the United States and beyond as necessary,” continued the letter.
In other words: Rep. Rogers’s old Chief of Staff is now lobbying his old boss to give more money to Ukraine.
Conveniently for Navigators Global LLC, Rep. Rogers led the Congressional Delegation tasked with “conducting oversight of the U.S. aid being sent to Ukraine.”
Despite massive evidence of money laundering and improper use of funds, Rep. Rogers said the trip left him “confident” in U.S. aid packages to the notoriously corrupt country.
“We came away with a clear understanding of the various safeguards the U.S. government, in partnership with the Ukrainians and other nations, have put in place to ensure each article is accounted for and tracked to the frontline of the war,” he remarked.
The trip comes after his track record of repeatedly pushing for more aid to Ukraine – and lamenting to the mainstream media about his colleagues who feel otherwise.
With Republicans like this, who even needs Democrats? Well, apparently Rep. Rogers does.
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https://rantingly.com/articles/rep-mike-rogers-announces-support-for-jim-jordan-in-speaker-race/
Mike Rogers on Twitter:
Jim Jordan and I have had two cordial, thoughtful, and productive conversations over the past two days. We agreed on the need for Congress to pass a strong NDAA, appropriations to fund our government’s vital functions, and other important legislation like the Farm Bill. (1/3)…
As a result, I have decided to support Jim Jordan for Speaker of the House on the floor. (2/3)…
Since I was first elected to the House, I have always been a team player and supported what the majority of the Republican Conference agrees to. Together, our Republican majority will be stronger to fight Joe Biden’s reckless agenda for America. (3/3)…
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https://rantingly.com/articles/rep-mike-rogers-announces-support-for-jim-jordan-in-speaker-race/ (https://rantingly.com/articles/rep-mike-rogers-announces-support-for-jim-jordan-in-speaker-race/)
Just saw that, wonder what changed?
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Just saw that, wonder what changed?
First thing that changed was Mike Rogers got exposed. I'm sure a large group of his constituents won't appreciate him voting and supporting more Ukraine money knowing he's backed by a big Ukraine lobbyist.
Second, apparently Jordan and him made an agreement. What it is, we'll have to wait and see.
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Jim Jordan “No” votes as of 11:46 AM EST:
Don Bacon (NE-02)
Vern Buchanan (FL-16)
Tom Cole (OK-04)
Mario Díaz-Balart (FL-26)
Carlos Gimenez (FL-28)
Drew Ferguson (GA-03)
Frank Lucas (OK-03)
John Rutherford (FL-05)
Mike Simpson (ID-02)
Rob Wittman (VA-01)
Steve Womack (AR-02)
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1713944623431798872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1713944623431798872%7Ctwgr%5Eae94403f69b5035c865440af236f0e9912272937%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2F
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/election-today-here-are-8-rinos-who-refuse/
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As The Gateway Pundit reported, it turns out the opposition to a Jim Jordan Speakership appears to be driven by Mitch McConnell-tied dark money group No Labels, the same group trying to get a third-party Presidential candidate on the ballot in 2024.
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It is always nice to know which representatives are the enemy.
Of course corrupt, criminal mitch is at the head of this pack of scum.
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The RINO Caucus is in action this afternoon.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/developing-13-gop-turncoats-vote-against-jim-jordan/
Don Bacon of Nebraska
Lori Chavez-DeRemer of Oregon
Anthony D’Esposito of New York
Mario Diaz Balart of Florida
Jake Ellzey of Texas
Andrew Garbarino of New York
Carlos Gimenez of Florida
Tony Gonzales of Texas
Kay Granger of Texas
Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania
Jen Kiggans of Virginia
Nick LaLota of New York
Mike Lawler of New York
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/17/house-speaker-vote-jim-jordan-intends-to-wear-down-gop-opposition-with-multiple-votes.html
Jim Jordan loses first House speaker vote by a wider margin than expected
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/developing-13-gop-turncoats-vote-against-jim-jordan/
Don Bacon of Nebraska
Lori Chavez-DeRemer of Oregon
Anthony D’Esposito of New York
Mario Diaz Balart of Florida
Jake Ellzey of Texas
Andrew Garbarino of New York
Carlos Gimenez of Florida
Tony Gonzales of Texas
Kay Granger of Texas
Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania
Jen Kiggans of Virginia
Nick LaLota of New York
Mike Lawler of New York
I literally never heard of any of these back-benchers.
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I literally never heard of any of these back-benchers.
Proud members of the democrat wing of the republican party. ::)
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It is always nice to know which representatives are the enemy.
Of course corrupt, criminal mitch is at the head of this pack of scum.
They're almost ALL the enemy.
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Fair chance of getting a Speaker Jeffries today. He got more votes yesterday than Jordan.
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Fair chance of getting a Speaker Jeffries today. He got more votes yesterday than Jordan.
The only way to get Jeffries in as Speaker is to have some of the RINO's vote for him. All it would take is 8 of them. Would they be so stupid to do this?
Who knows at this point.
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The only way to get Jeffries in as Speaker is to have some of the RINO's vote for him. All it would take is 8 of them. Would they be so stupid to do this?
Who knows at this point.
Nothing surprises me any more, but that would surprise me.
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The UniParty is fighting to take control of the House. The usual players are behind the curtain pulling the strings.
McConnell has his finger prints all over this, as does Pelosi, as well as Paul Ryan. They desperately want a puppet speaker so they can continue Omnibus spending, and of course feed the Ukraine money river. The secondary benefit to them is to shut down the investigations while continuing to fund the Trump prosecutions.
All of these districts that have elected these RINO's to congress are now seeing that these people do not have their interest and are voting for the UniParty.
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If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools. - Plato
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And the RINO's win, once again.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1715021061463367762
Be looking for yet more massive spending sprees upcoming.
Pathetic.
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Really cements the Uniparty concept.
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Really cements the Uniparty concept.
Correct.
People are focused on the Presidential election, but what is destroying this country are the scum politicians in the house and senate that glide through re-election each cycle due to voter apathy. Most voters don't even know who their congressmen or senators are, and have no idea on how they vote. But when the voter steps in the voting booth, they see a name they recognize and vote for it.
Hakeem Jeffries is the minority leader, but in reality Pelosi controls him. And on the R side, McConnell is pulling strings along with Paul Ryan to keep the RINO Caucus in charge. They now have their puppet in charge, and placed their by one member of congress. Convenient huh?
The majority of those 22 RINO's sit on appropriations and defense, and are heavily connected to the Ukraine Lobby. They are fighting tooth and nail to keep the money spicket open. Their other objective is not to give access to the J6 tapes, and to keep funding election interference.
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The UniParty is fighting to take control of the House. The usual players are behind the curtain pulling the strings.
McConnell has his finger prints all over this, as does Pelosi, as well as Paul Ryan. They desperately want a puppet speaker so they can continue Omnibus spending, and of course feed the Ukraine money river. The secondary benefit to them is to shut down the investigations while continuing to fund the Trump prosecutions.
All of these districts that have elected these RINO's to congress are now seeing that these people do not have their interest and are voting for the UniParty.
(https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-you-can-avoid-reality-but-you-cannot-avoid-the-consequences-of-avoiding-reality-ayn-rand-38-6-0633.jpg)
If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools. - Plato
“This” is Matt Gaetz using his vanity and dislike for McCarthy (who was not perfect by any means) to oust him, and who told the rest of the country that the Republicans are totally divided and incapable of leading the country - 13 months before an election that will decide the course of the Republic.
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“This” is Matt Gaetz using his vanity and dislike for McCarthy (who was not perfect by any means) to oust him, and who told the rest of the country that the Republicans are totally divided and incapable of leading the country - 13 months before an election that will decide the course of the Republic.
This goes a lot deeper than Gaetz. McCarthy was pathetic as Speaker, and he was following his orders from the establishment.
The establishment is pissed off they had someone stand up to them and call out their bullshit.
McCarthy, Ryan, Boehner and Hastert all have been disasters, and they are all establishment republicans.
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Really cements the Uniparty concept.
Yep!
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Republicans circle for the firing squad, while democrats circle the wagons.
This is why republicans are so pathetic at getting anything accomplished.
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The RINO's are playing games. After private meetings they indicate they are favorable to vote for Jordan, then when the vote comes down they vote against him.
These people absolutely don't give a shit about anyone except the donors and lobbyist, and satisfying their UniParty masters.
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Republicans circle for the firing squad, while democrats circle the wagons.
This is why republicans are so pathetic at getting anything accomplished.
194 Republicans voted for Jordan on the third vote, so not sure why they deserve being swept up in condemnation.
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194 Republicans voted for Jordan on the third vote, so not sure why they deserve being swept up in condemnation.
I'm speaking about the RINO Caucus. This is one reason the republicans have so much trouble legislating, and they never learn from the past, they just keep doing the same stupid shit over and over.
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I'm speaking about the RINO Caucus. This is one reason the republicans have so much trouble legislating, and they never learn from the past, they just keep doing the same stupid shit over and over.
My house rep is one of the RINOs who voted after Jan 6 to impeach President Trump. We could have primaried him out in 2022 but no, Rs in my district stuck behind their favorite contender instead of merging together behind one. The contenders’ vote totals, if we’d banded together, would have ousted the traitor. So frustrating.
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My house rep is one of the RINOs who voted after Jan 6 to impeach President Trump. We could have primaried him out in 2022 but no, Rs in my district stuck behind their favorite contender instead of merging together behind one. The contenders’ vote totals, if we’d banded together, would have ousted the traitor. So frustrating.
It's voter apathy. The ones that are more interested in who Taylor Swift is dating, or can spout off NFL stats all day don't even know who their congressman are, much less senator, governor or president.
When they do show up to vote, they just look down the list and if they see a name they recognize (like from the news) then they vote.
This is why getting elected to congress, and staying there is so easy. And the majority in congress need to be kicked out. Total useless, and they are wrecking the country for personal gain.
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The X world is all atwitter about primarying those that voted against Jordan. My bet is, it doesn't happen.
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The X world is all atwitter about primarying those that voted against Jordan. My bet is, it doesn't happen.
It won't, unfortunately.
The end result is we get another establishment speaker, and same shit as with McCarthy. More spending, more omnibus bills and of course more money to be pumped into Ukraine, plus any other money FJB wants.
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The X world is all atwitter about primarying those that voted against Jordan. My bet is, it doesn't happen.
I'm starting to feel that it wouldn't make any difference. This whole affair is giving the whole party a black eye and a lot of voters will refuse to vote R in the next election because of it.
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I'm starting to feel that it wouldn't make any difference. This whole affair is giving the whole party a black eye and a lot of voters will refuse to vote R in the next election because of it.
The average American doesn't even pay attention to any of this. If you did a man on the street interview and asked "Who is the Speaker of the House?" the majority couldn't even answer.
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Sounds like Emmer and Donalds are going to give it a try. I believe Emmer is a McCarthy acolyte.
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Sounds like Emmer and Donalds are going to give it a try. I believe Emmer is a McCarthy acolyte.
You are correct.
Byron Donalds would make an excellent choice, however I am afraid the RINO Caucus will block him.
https://floridaphoenix.com/2023/10/20/floridas-byron-donalds-is-now-a-candidate-for-u-s-house-speaker/
With Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan failing on his third attempt to become the next U.S. House speaker on Friday, the race is wide open and Southwest Florida Rep. Byron Donalds has become a confirmed candidate for the position.
At least three members of the Florida GOP congressional delegation say that they are backing him for speaker.
“I supported @Jim Jordan as our next Speaker,” wrote Central Florida Republican Cory Mills on X. “Unfortunately my votes for him on the floor and in conference to remain Speaker designate was not enough. I now support @ByronDonalds for the next Speaker of the House.”
South Florida Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart — who had voted for former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy in protest this week — also says that he is now with Team Donalds.
“@ByronDonalds is an honorable leader and respected by the entire conference,” he wrote on X. “That is why it is a privilege to endorse Byron for speaker.”
And Sarasota County’s Vern Buchanan voted for Donalds on both the second and third ballots on Thursday and Friday.
“I’ve served with Byron, he’s a conservative champion, and I hope my colleagues will consider his name as we look for a way forward,” Buchanan said on Thursday. “It’s about time Florida had a seat at the table.”
Donalds had been supporting Jordan for speaker. When asked on Thursday if he would consider being speaker if Jordan got out of the race, Donalds said: “People float my name for a lot of things. Right now I’m here to do a lot of things. We have to fund the government.”
The Naples resident became nationally known in January, when he emerged for a couple of days as an alternative candidate for U.S. speaker before House Republicans ultimately elected Kevin McCarthy of California to the post on the 15th ballot.
Donalds, who turns 45 next week, has served as the U.S. House in Florida’s 19th Congressional District, encompassing parts of both Lee and Collier counties along Florida’s Gulf Coast since January 2021. Prior to that he served in the Florida House of Representatives from 2016-2020.
At that time, Donalds was one of the few Black Republicans in the Florida Legislature. And now, Donalds is one of the few Black Republicans in the U.S. House.
If he were to win the Speaker’s race, Donalds would make history by becoming the first Black man to lead the U.S. House of Representatives. Meanwhile, New York Democrat Hakeem Jeffries was elected last year to be the first Black House Minority Leader, making him the first Black person to lead a major party’s Caucus in either chamber of Congress.
Donalds was raised in Brooklyn and graduated from Florida State University in 2002, where he received a bachelor’s degree in finance and marketing. His career then took him to Southwest Florida, where he worked in banking, finance, and insurance.
Donalds first ran for Congress in 2012 but came in fifth in a six-person Republican primary. He filed to run in 2014 but ultimately stood down. His electoral career recommenced in 2016, when he won election to the Florida House of Representatives.
Following two terms there, Donalds narrowly won a Republican primary for his congressional district in 2020 (winning by less than 1 percentage point over state House Republican Dane Eagle) before easily defeating Democrat Cindy Banyai by more than 22 percentage points in the general election. He beat Banyai in a rematch last November by 36 points.
The States Newsroom has updated the House Speaker story, including the six men so far who are running for the position: Kevin Hern of Oklahoma, Jack Bergman of Michigan, Austin Scott of Georgia, Pete Sessions of Texas, Byron Donalds of Florida and Tom Emmer of Minnesota.
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We had dinner with two other couples last night.
One couple leaned left of center, one of them leaned right of center and we are split, so there were (probably misusing thelabels) 3 liberals and 3 conservatives.
All 6 of us agreed that the current clusterfuck that is the House GOP is really going to hurt the D party next November. And it will be a drag on the Senate Rs and the R Presidential nominee.
I'm panicking over 4 more years of Biden/Harris or Harris/whoever.
Every Republican Congresscritter should have their tombstone engraved with "I was right - Dead right".
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We had dinner with two other couples last night.
One couple leaned left of center, one of them leaned right of center and we are split, so there were (probably misusing thelabels) 3 liberals and 3 conservatives.
All 6 of us agreed that the current clusterfuck that is the House GOP is really going to hurt the D party next November. And it will be a drag on the Senate Rs and the R Presidential nominee.
I'm panicking over 4 more years of Biden/Harris or Harris/whoever.
Every Republican Congresscritter should have their tombstone engraved with "I was right - Dead right".
You poor thing................
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Another example of how dysfunctional the republicans are.
https://news.yahoo.com/floodgates-open-running-speaker-gop-214107446.html
We see this in congressional and senate races, as well as state races. When there is an opening, a group jumps in for it. All this does is dilute the vote and further complicates things. In congressional and state races, it often means the opposition winning.
These Bozos had a closed conference yesterday in which they booted Jordan. While there, they could have come up with a consensus on ONE candidate to put forward, but no, they had to break for the weekend. Now we have 9, and this will take time to whittle down with even more votes. And of course all the various factions will fight publicly.
The democrats would have went into a room, locked arms and emerged with one candidate. And they don't bring their internal fighting outside.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/report-rep-kevin-hern-who-is-running-house/
In a statement, Hern, who sat on the Committee on Ways and Means, stated that the party “must unify and do it fast,” presenting himself as the solution for this unification. However, this bid comes under scrutiny as revelations regarding Rep. Hern’s stock holdings, which have reportedly profited substantially from ongoing conflicts in Ukraine and Israel, raise ethical questions.
In a recent social media post, Rep. Kevin Hern made his pitch clear, saying, “We need a different type of leader who has a proven track record of success, which is why I’m running for Speaker of the House.”
While the Republican Party seeks fresh faces to represent them, Rep. Hern’s ambition for leadership comes under immediate scrutiny due to his reported financial gains from ongoing international conflicts.
According to Unusual Whales, a platform focused on providing financial tools and market analysis, Rep. Kevin Hern appears to benefit the most from the current wars in Ukraine and Israel based on his stock holdings.
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All 6 of us agreed that the current clusterfuck that is the House GOP is really going to hurt the D party next November.
I think you mean "help" not "hurt"
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I think you mean "help" not "hurt"
You are right. But actually I meant hurt the "R" party.
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You poor thing................
You are as bad as the other dickhead on here.
You bitch a lot more about politicians than I do, as do many others, but you say "Poor thing" when I bitch.
Do the letters ESADMF mean anything to you? ;) And I mean that in the nicest possible way.
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You are as bad as the other dickhead on here.
You bitch a lot more about politicians than I do, as do many others, but you say "Poor thing" when I bitch.
Do the letters ESADMF mean anything to you? ;) And I mean that in the nicest possible way.
Ah, panties wadded again?
AMF. :)
(Adios My Friend)
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Ah, panties wadded again?
AMF. :)
(Adios My Friend)
That could mean you are banning me, or putting me on ignore.
Either way is fine with me.
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That could mean you are banning me, or putting me on ignore.
Either way is fine with me.
No one is banned here. And no one is on ignore. Find a new pair of panties and you'll be fine.
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You are as bad as the other dickhead on here.
I've been called lots of things, but I don't think I've ever been called that.
Just don't call me Tony, as my Mother would never allow it, so I'm not trained to respond to that moniker. ;D
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I've been called lots of things, but I don't think I've ever been called that.
Just don't call me Tony, as my Mother would never allow it, so I'm not trained to respond to that moniker. ;D
joe makes an elephant look like it has alzheimers whenever he gets his panties in a twist.
His grudges must last forever.
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I've been called lots of things, but I don't think I've ever been called that.
Just don't call me Tony, as my Mother would never allow it, so I'm not trained to respond to that moniker. ;D
Wasn't talking about you. Tony. ;)
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Wasn't talking about you. Tony. ;)
People with vowels at the end of their names will be paying you a visit. ;D
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People with vowels at the end of their names will be paying you a visit. ;D
Do you mean some of my Grandfather Antonio Santoleri's relatives?
Did you know that in the early 20'th century many Italians that came through Ellis Island (as my Grandfather and Grandmother did) could not speak English. So that they wouldn't get lost in various the transportation legs they wore tags that said "To New York" but it was abbreviated TO.NY. When they processed they could read or understand the questions so the customs people just put down TONY for their name. That is why so many Italian Americans are named TONY. (That's the story my Grandfather told me and I'm sticking with it).
And do you know how to tell if a helicopter was made in Italy?
The big blade goes "wop wop wop" and the little blade goes "guinea guinea guinea".
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And do you know how to tell if a helicopter was made in Italy?
The big blade goes "wop wop wop" and the little blade goes "guinea guinea guinea".
My father said that the Italian Navy all had AMB on their ships. Meaning "Atsa My Boat".
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I’m Italian and my Dad’s name is Anthony, of course known as Tony. 😂
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Looks like we have a nominee for Speaker. Well done, Gaetz, you stupid mother fucker.
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This guy also has a Liberty Score of “D”.
https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/tom-emmer
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The swamp wins again.
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The swamp wins again.
Aided and abetted by a colossally stupid move by their stooge, Matt Gaetz.
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Aided and abetted by a colossally stupid move by their stooge, Matt Gaetz.
Perhaps.
But when you consider the RINO Caucus is over 80 members strong, this just adds to it. Republicans gather in a circular firing squad while the democrats circle their wagons.
We've had a succession of losers as republican speakers. It would be great to stop this idiocy of who's turn is it and go with electing a strong speaker. But again, this is the republican party.
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Tom Emmer Drops Speaker Bid After Trump Knifes Him
(https://www.yahoo.com/news/tom-emmer-drops-speaker-bid-203606960.html)"Just after noon on Tuesday, Rep. Tom Emmer (R-MN) won the House GOP's nomination to be Speaker.
About four hours later, he dropped out."
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I was going to say at least the RINOs are being exposed but at this point it looks like they’re all looking out for themselves for different reasons, and not serving the American people. At all.
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Tom Emmer Drops Speaker Bid After Trump Knifes Him
(https://www.yahoo.com/news/tom-emmer-drops-speaker-bid-203606960.html)"Just after noon on Tuesday, Rep. Tom Emmer (R-MN) won the House GOP's nomination to be Speaker.
About four hours later, he dropped out."
It's Trump's fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Republicans couldn't agree on what day of the week it is at this point.
Sorry Stan, I disagree. McCarthy promised much and delivered us a cap-free debt ceiling until 2025 plus lots of spending. Still waiting to see those J6 videos. How is it we can sentence someone for shouting 1776?
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https://babylonbee.com/news/chaos-at-congressional-halloween-party-as-house-republicans-all-wear-same-clown-costume
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Republicans couldn't agree on what day of the week it is at this point.
Sorry Stan, I disagree. McCarthy promised much and delivered us a cap-free debt ceiling until 2025 plus lots of spending. Still waiting to see those J6 videos. How is it we can sentence someone for shouting 1776?
This was a “Fire, Ready, Aim” move, Eppy. It was done with the thinnest of margins in 1/2 of Congress, and THIRTEEN MONTHS from the next presidential election.
This entire fucking fiasco is proving to the world that Republicans are incapable of governing, right before we are electing the leader of the free world.
If Gaetz had his shit together and had a coalition pulled together that would vote for an immediate replacement, perhaps it’s no harm, no foul.
Instead, Congress is completely shut down, the world is at war, Israel was brutally attacked, Biden is sending hundreds of billions to Ukraine without accountability, and the Republicans are going into caucus looking for volunteers to be the 3rd in line from the presidency.
What message does this send to independents who are looking who to vote for next year, and who republicans and democrats have to try to win to our side?
It’s just a fucking shit show, and now’s not the time for a shit show.
And by the way, where the fuck was Gaetz when Trump added $6.7 TRILLION to the national debt, in only 4 years? Was he speaking out about being a fiscal Patrick Henry then? No, he was silent.
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Mostly what I am seeing is proof positive that local elections matter and people need to vote out their rino representatives.
A bunch of senators need to be elected OUT of office also.
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And by the way, where the fuck was Gaetz when Trump added $6.7 TRILLION to the national debt, in only 4 years? Was he speaking out about being a fiscal Patrick Henry then? No, he was silent.
I believe most of that was due to COVID. Was he supposed to veto all of that?
I guess you would have been quite happy allowing McCarthy to continue going along with whatever the Democrats wanted.
Not to worry, we'll probably end up with McCarthy again.
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I believe most of that was due to COVID. Was he supposed to veto all of that?
I guess you would have been quite happy allowing McCarthy to continue going along with whatever the Democrats wanted.
Not to worry, we'll probably end up with McCarthy again.
It wouldn’t matter if President atrump cured cancer, solved world hunger and ended all wars, he would find something idiotic to blame him for and spout off like a wounded magpie with a crack habit.
He is like mikey junior on the subject of President Trump.
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Next nominee: Mike Johnson of Louisiana.
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It's no secret I despise McCarthy. He's the protégé of another fuckin' loser, Paul Ryan.
I'm sick and tired of the party of gracious losers.
Back to the speakership. I think it's time for congress to stop picking the speaker from members of congress. Go out and find a real leader, someone who will get the job done and not play the games of politics. Someone who is not consumed by lobbyist, and is not consumed with fundraising for their party.
Never happen. All they want is more of the same. Corruption and dollars until they only accept Yuan.
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It wouldn’t matter if President atrump cured cancer, solved world hunger and ended all wars, he would find something idiotic to blame him for and spout off like a wounded magpie with a crack habit.
He is like mikey junior on the subject of President Trump.
There was some little idiot on Twitter on a video looked about 19 years old saying you have to vote for Biden because we don’t want another horrible Trump term.
Fucking infant. No doubt still lives with mommy and daddy doesn’t buy his own groceries or have a 401k that’s flatlined since Biden took office. Wasn’t even born when 9/11 happened and has no clue how international politics works. This country is in extreme danger and we have spoiled little brats voting that have no goddamn idea what they’re doing.
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There was some little idiot on Twitter on a video looked about 19 years old saying you have to vote for Biden because we don’t want another horrible Trump term.
Fucking infant. No doubt still lives with mommy and daddy doesn’t buy his own groceries or have a 401k that’s flatlined since Biden took office. Wasn’t even born when 9/11 happened and has no clue how international politics works. This country is in extreme danger and we have spoiled little brats voting that have no goddamn idea what they’re doing.
I used to believe in everybody having the right to vote. Now, I think that voting should be a privilege that should be earned. You only get to vote if you have skin in the game and are able to pass a competency test to be able to cast a vote. This idiot cares more about hating Trump than he does about Biden ruining our economy and getting us into another world war. He'll probably cheer when nukes are used.
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I used to believe in everybody having the right to vote. Now, I think that voting should be a privilege that should be earned. You only get to vote if you have skin in the game and are able to pass a competency test to be able to cast a vote. This idiot cares more about hating Trump than he does about Biden ruining our economy and getting us into another world war. He'll probably cheer when nukes are used.
Only people who actually pay taxes should be able to vote. We also need to end the 17th amendment and go back to having state legislatures appoint senators.
And of course TERM LIMITS.
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I believe most of that was due to COVID. Was he supposed to veto all of that?
I guess you would have been quite happy allowing McCarthy to continue going along with whatever the Democrats wanted.
Not to worry, we'll probably end up with McCarthy again.
Yes. I’m telling you, the Covid “payments,” PPP loans, and the Employee Retention Credit payments are all scams that weren’t necessary other than to buy votes.
I’m a CPA. The incentive payments went to people whether or not they were affected by Covid shutdowns. My daughter bought a couch with her $1,400.
The PPP loan program was a cluster fuck of epic proportions. I had to tell clients who didn’t need a free forgivable loan that it would be malpractice for me NOT to recommend they they claim the PPP if they met the easy-to-meet requirements. Businesses with $25MM of revenue were getting $2MM in forgiven loans - literally free money. Congressmen and nonprofits were claiming this “benefit.” It was abused beyond recognition. We’re there done businesses like restaurants that needed it to survive? Of course. But most went to businesses who had zero risk of failing without it.
Then comes the ERC - you know, the payroll tax credit that Clay and Buck and every other radio broadcaster is pitching, and which has been so abused they the IRS has shut down ERC claims. There are requirements that need to be met, but with no regulatory guidance issued for over a year after the programs started, companies were being told they could claim the ERC if they had to put up plexiglass dividers between their employees and customers. Totally abused.
Regarding the Speaker clusterfuck, do you know how close we were to getting Soros-funded Emmers? If it went to a floor vote, and Jeffries told 15-20 democrats to just vote “present,” we would have had Speaker Emmers without having 217 Republicans support him. This is a dangerous game and needs to end now.
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It wouldn’t matter if President atrump cured cancer, solved world hunger and ended all wars, he would find something idiotic to blame him for and spout off like a wounded magpie with a crack habit.
He is like mikey junior on the subject of President Trump.
Fuck off, 7. You may want to get on your #45 kneepads and blow Trump to thank him for piling on $6.7 Trillion on our kids’ backs to buy votes, but I don’t.
It amazes me how being in the Trump cult somehow blinds everyone about the stupid, non-conservative, and damaging things he did as POTUS.
And let me know how that “Drain the Swamp” thing worked out for him.
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Poor, pathetic, snowflake.
You need you mommy to tuck you in and make you warm milk?
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Fuck off, 7. You may want to get on your #45 kneepads and blow Trump to thank him for piling on $6.7 Trillion on our kids’ backs to buy votes, but I don’t.
It amazes me how being in the Trump cult somehow blinds everyone about the stupid, non-conservative, and damaging things he did as POTUS.
And let me know how that “Drain the Swamp” thing worked out for him.
Can we start branding you as the "establishment cult"?
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Can we start branding you as the "establishment cult"?
Sure, since that’s the only play you got from your Malevolent Leader - to lie and assassinate the character of your opponents.
How heavy are those blinders that you can’t see the whole man, and only see his benevolence?
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Sure, since that’s the only play you got from your Malevolent Leader - to lie and assassinate the character of your opponents.
How heavy are those blinders that you can’t see the whole man, and only see his benevolence?
You still don't want to believe I haven't backed any particular candidate in this race. Your blinders are on pal, since I won't get into the RDS cult like you have.
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Yes. I’m telling you, the Covid “payments,” PPP loans, and the Employee Retention Credit payments are all scams that weren’t necessary other than to buy votes.
I’m a CPA. The incentive payments went to people whether or not they were affected by Covid shutdowns. My daughter bought a couch with her $1,400.
The PPP loan program was a cluster fuck of epic proportions. I had to tell clients who didn’t need a free forgivable loan that it would be malpractice for me NOT to recommend they they claim the PPP if they met the easy-to-meet requirements. Businesses with $25MM of revenue were getting $2MM in forgiven loans - literally free money. Congressmen and nonprofits were claiming this “benefit.” It was abused beyond recognition. We’re there done businesses like restaurants that needed it to survive? Of course. But most went to businesses who had zero risk of failing without it.
Then comes the ERC - you know, the payroll tax credit that Clay and Buck and every other radio broadcaster is pitching, and which has been so abused they the IRS has shut down ERC claims. There are requirements that need to be met, but with no regulatory guidance issued for over a year after the programs started, companies were being told they could claim the ERC if they had to put up plexiglass dividers between their employees and customers. Totally abused.
Regarding the Speaker clusterfuck, do you know how close we were to getting Soros-funded Emmers? If it went to a floor vote, and Jeffries told 15-20 democrats to just vote “present,” we would have had Speaker Emmers without having 217 Republicans support him. This is a dangerous game and needs to end now.
What would have happened had Trump vetoed any of that COVID legislation? I understand your concern about the debt, it is definitely out of control. Under McCarthy legislation was passed to uncap the debt ceiling until 2025, yet you feel he should have been left in place. How do you reconcile that with with your concern about the debt?
Why is it necessary for the Government to spent in excess of $6T every year now?
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Yes. I’m telling you, the Covid “payments,” PPP loans, and the Employee Retention Credit payments are all scams that weren’t necessary other than to buy votes.
I’m a CPA. The incentive payments went to people whether or not they were affected by Covid shutdowns. My daughter bought a couch with her $1,400.
The PPP loan program was a cluster fuck of epic proportions. I had to tell clients who didn’t need a free forgivable loan that it would be malpractice for me NOT to recommend they they claim the PPP if they met the easy-to-meet requirements. Businesses with $25MM of revenue were getting $2MM in forgiven loans - literally free money. Congressmen and nonprofits were claiming this “benefit.” It was abused beyond recognition. We’re there done businesses like restaurants that needed it to survive? Of course. But most went to businesses who had zero risk of failing without it.
Then comes the ERC - you know, the payroll tax credit that Clay and Buck and every other radio broadcaster is pitching, and which has been so abused they the IRS has shut down ERC claims. There are requirements that need to be met, but with no regulatory guidance issued for over a year after the programs started, companies were being told they could claim the ERC if they had to put up plexiglass dividers between their employees and customers. Totally abused.
Regarding the Speaker clusterfuck, do you know how close we were to getting Soros-funded Emmers? If it went to a floor vote, and Jeffries told 15-20 democrats to just vote “present,” we would have had Speaker Emmers without having 217 Republicans support him. This is a dangerous game and needs to end now.
And none of that would have happened without the Covid virus which was literally engineered by Fauci and his commie cohorts and then those same miscreants recommended lockdowns which destroyed the economy and Trump was only trying to help ameliorate that damage. That was very misguided of him and you are absolutely correct those programs were greatly abused but hindsight is 20/20, isn’t it? I prefer to focus on what Trump did through 2019. We don’t know what any other president would have done with Covid, they may have done the exact same thing Trump did. Trump had 2020 in the bag. He wasn’t “buying votes”. It was only because of Covid being used to change election processes that he “lost”, something unforeseen by everyone except the criminal actors that rigged the count.
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He doesn’t have any issue with government spending.
He is an unhinged hater of President Trump and that is enough to sustain his toxic rants.
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What would have happened had Trump vetoed any of that COVID legislation? I understand your concern about the debt, it is definitely out of control. Under McCarthy legislation was passed to uncap the debt ceiling until 2025, yet you feel he should have been left in place. How do you reconcile that with with your concern about the debt?
Why is it necessary for the Government to spent in excess of $6T every year now?
I never said McCarthy was my choice. I what I’ve been trying to convey is that blowing up the House 13 months before a pivotal election without ANY PLAN was fucking idiotic and damaging to Republican chances at leadership in the election.
Getting a new Speaker will not change the debt ceiling issue.
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I never said McCarthy was my choice. I what I’ve been trying to convey is that blowing up the House 13 months before a pivotal election without ANY PLAN was fucking idiotic and damaging to Republican chances at leadership in the election.
Getting a new Speaker will not change the debt ceiling issue.
The establishment wonks use that kind of reasoning constantly.
Here’s what went on behind close doors:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/must-see-matt-gaetz-gives-dirty-details-behind/
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Johnson wanted to jail Pelosi for ripping up President Trump’s SOTU speech, and comes out forcefully on 2020 being stolen.
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And none of that would have happened without the Covid virus which was literally engineered by Fauci and his commie cohorts and then those same miscreants recommended lockdowns which destroyed the economy and Trump was only trying to help ameliorate that damage. That was very misguided of him and you are absolutely correct those programs were greatly abused but hindsight is 20/20, isn’t it? I prefer to focus on what Trump did through 2019. We don’t know what any other president would have done with Covid, they may have done the exact same thing Trump did. Trump had 2020 in the bag. He wasn’t “buying votes”. It was only because of Covid being used to change election processes that he “lost”, something unforeseen by everyone except the criminal actors that rigged the count.
Yet Trump delegated literally the entire country to the same man who engineered the virus to begin with.
In The Art of the Deal Trump wrote: “To me, committees are what insecure people create in order to put off naming hard decisions.” I guess Trump himself was an insecure person while POTUS, right?
Hindsight is 20/20, but a businessman, and a president, are paid for their foresight. Do you think Bud Light executives are just saying “Oh well, hindsight is 20/20” while their brand literally got destroyed?
I would like to only think about what Trump did when he had BOTH the Senate and the House too, but those last two years are just as, or even more, relevant and important in determining who he is.
Sorry, he WAS buying votes, because vetoing those covid spending bills would have harmed him. You can’t have it both ways.
I simply can’t understand the inability of people to see through the Trump facade and look at him objectively. I guess it’s like what he wrote in his book:
“I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular.”
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Back to topic, what do we think of Mike Johnson now that he's speaker?
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Back to topic, what do we think of Mike Johnson now that he's speaker?
When do they vote?
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In The Art of the Deal Trump wrote: “To me, committees are what insecure people create in order to put off naming hard decisions.” I guess Trump himself was an insecure person while POTUS, right?
Trump is an outstanding businessman and is not afraid of making the hard business decisions on his own. If he lacks expertise in an area, he consults with the experts in that field to get enough data to make the decision.
The problem was that he had no experience being a politician. He was confronted with a situation that was WAY outside the normal for any president. He did what he does, which is call in experts. Unfortunately his inexperience in politics made him unprepared to deal with political experts who are in it for the machine, the uniparty, and for themselves. He picked what appeared to be the right expert, got advice, and made the decision. The expert, however, was a shit-faced asshole who gave him the advice the uniparty wanted.
I feel confident that Trump learned from his first term and won't make that mistake again. Consulting experts is not the same as leaving a decision up to a committee. Biden is a committee person. Trump is a leader.
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When do they vote?
Voting is done. He's speaker.
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Trump is an outstanding businessman and is not afraid of making the hard business decisions on his own. If he lacks expertise in an area, he consults with the experts in that field to get enough data to make the decision.
The problem was that he had no experience being a politician. He was confronted with a situation that was WAY outside the normal for any president. He did what he does, which is call in experts. Unfortunately his inexperience in politics made him unprepared to deal with political experts who are in it for the machine, the uniparty, and for themselves. He picked what appeared to be the right expert, got advice, and made the decision. The expert, however, was a shit-faced asshole who gave him the advice the uniparty wanted.
I feel confident that Trump learned from his first term and won't make that mistake again. Consulting experts is not the same as leaving a decision up to a committee. Biden is a committee person. Trump is a leader.
I was one of the toads at two 2020 Wisconsin Trump rallies yelling “Drain the Swamp” while Trump lead the cheer. Only in hindsight did I sit back and realize he actually enlarged the swamp by hiring swamp dwellers, and apparently had NO intention of draining the swamp.
Isn’t 4 years sufficient time for someone to learn on the job and realize his mistake regarding the Swamp?
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Voting is done. He's speaker.
Finally. I think he’ll be good.
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I was one of the toads at two 2020 Wisconsin Trump rallies yelling “Drain the Swamp” while Trump lead the cheer. Only in hindsight did I sit back and realize he actually enlarged the swamp by hiring swamp dwellers, and apparently had NO intention of draining the swamp.
Isn’t 4 years sufficient time for someone to learn on the job and realize his mistake regarding the Swamp?
Yes. However, it's impossible to fire government employees. You have to change the rules first, which he did. That took time. But considering everything else that was going on he did pretty good at setting things up so drainage can happen big time when he's elected to a second term.
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Voting is done. He's speaker.
I’d never heard of him. From the wiki write up, he’s a bit too religious right for me but aligns with some of my important issues, such as recognized 2020 was stolen, opposes continuing aid to Ukraine and he’s a fiscal conservative.
I guess I’m okay with him. For now.
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Looks like we have a nominee for Speaker. Well done, Gaetz....
Yes. well done. McCarthy needed to go.
https://defconnews.com/2023/10/25/house-republicans-elect-trump-ally-rep-mike-johnson-as-the-new-speaker-of-the-house-220-votes-did-not-lose-a-single-republican-vote/ (https://defconnews.com/2023/10/25/house-republicans-elect-trump-ally-rep-mike-johnson-as-the-new-speaker-of-the-house-220-votes-did-not-lose-a-single-republican-vote/)
If this is accurate, he'll be better than the ones he's replaced.
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lead sentence in the CNN "report" on the new speaker: "A key figure in failed efforts to overturn the 2020 election..."
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https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1717122156734071177?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1717122156734071177%7Ctwgr%5Ef347e1c1db0a7f5d30128204b4e7ee2b359c7300%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2F
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does a poor grade mean he supported Ukraine or didn't support Ukraine?
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does a poor grade mean he supported Ukraine or didn't support Ukraine?
He doesn't support the US dumping more money to the little dictator.
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Stan, Trump was in a no win situation. Any other Republican President would have done the same.
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I’d never heard of him. From the wiki write up, he’s a bit too religious right for me but aligns with some of my important issues, such as recognized 2020 was stolen, opposes continuing aid to Ukraine and he’s a fiscal conservative.
I guess I’m okay with him. For now.
He's just the speaker, not the whole congress.
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He's just the speaker, not the whole congress.
But he controls the process... what bills get to the floor and so forth. Very important post.
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He's just the speaker, not the whole congress.
Exactly.
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But he controls the process... what bills get to the floor and so forth. Very important post.
Yes, that helps some, but over in the Senate is a leader of similar power over bills.
I wonder if he will actually put forth multiple funding bills rather than dump a single omnibus funding bill on floor of the house? Last December he wrote the following:
https://mikejohnson.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=1236 (https://mikejohnson.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=1236)
“This 4,155 page, $1.7 trillion ‘omnibus’ is one of the worst government funding bills in the history of Congress.
“Instead of individual bills to fund each federal agency one by one with a roll call vote for each, all agencies have been lumped together right before the end of year deadline, with dozens of unrelated policies attached to it—electoral college changes, retirement changes, cosmetics regulation, health care policies, salmon fishing regulations, even horse racing rules. All jammed in under the guise of a ‘government funding bill.’
“The process for passing this bill is almost as ugly as the substance: written behind closed doors, released Monday overnight, and brought for a vote before anyone could possibly read it—much less debate or amend it.
“This should go without saying, but funding for each government agency and changes to each of these unrelated policies should require their own full, open debate in committee and on the floor with the opportunity to make amendments.
“My guess is that most, if not all, of these unrelated policies could not pass on their own, which is why they are being forced on the representatives of the American people at the 11th hour. This is clearly not how lawmaking is to supposed to work.
“A vote for this bill is an endorsement of the status quo, where there is no transparency, no accountability, and outright disregard for regular order. A vote against this bill is a vote to reject this shameful, broken process. For me, this is a definite No.”]/i]
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If Bill Kristol doesn't like him, he must be good.
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Voting is done. He's speaker.
Somehow I missed that.
Long day.
Thanks.
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Now we see if he is a man of his convictions.
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Worth a listen. He’ll be attacked relentlessly but of course over half of Congress is our enemy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ-WqI0OyRk
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The Dems don’t like him and are already attacking him. I like that!
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The Dems don’t like him and are already attacking him. I like that!
The establishment republicans will be right behind them trying to undermine him.
They won't immediately, they'll court him and see if they can manipulate him. If he refuses, then the knives will come out. And the establishment will of course try to blame MAGA, Trump, Gaetz, etc.
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Turned out McCarthy was behind torpedoing the first three nominees, trying to worm his way back into power. Good riddance! At least now there’s hope to reel in the crazy money spending, America ruining Democrats.
“Every Time Someone Ascended, He Would Knife Them in the Back” – Rep. Nancy Mace TELLS ALL on Kevin McCarthy’s Sinister Actions During Speaker Fight (VIDEO)
by Jim Hoft Oct. 26, 2023 12:30 pm
Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC) joined Steve Bannon on The War Room on Thursday after conservative outsider Mike Johnson was elected House Speaker on Wednesday.
Rep. Mace was one of eight Republicans who voted to remove Kevin McCarthy after just nine months as Speaker.
It took several votes by House Republicans before a Speaker was chosen and agreed to by the caucus.
Now we know why. According to Matt Gaetz and Nancy Mace, McCarthy was working behind the scenes to derail any potential candidate for Speaker including Jim Jordan, arguably the most popular Republican in Congress.
Nancy Mace did not hold back!
Rep. Nancy Mace: I just want to be clear, and I think Mac Eight clarified this yesterday. This almost didn’t happen because the disgraced former Speaker Kevin McCarthy, every time someone ascended, he would knife them in the back and they couldn’t become speaker. But thank God we have now Mike Johnson, who is a strong conservative, a man of faith, and someone who’s going to work hard. And guess what? He’s not a part of the establishment. He’s not a part of one of K Street’s favorites, right?… The eight of us and others held the line, and we got us to where we are today. And this is a new direction, a new day for America…
…This thing didn’t need to last through three weeks. So the first thing that McCarthy and his allies did was prolong it and delay it and recess us and adjourn us every time they possibly could to drag this thing out and make it as painful as possible. For the eight of us who held the line and kicked McCarthy out of the speakership, that’s number one. Number two, there was a concerted and orchestrated effort at the hand of McCarthy that every time someone ascended, they got knifed in the back, including America’s favorite Republican congressman in Jim Jordan. I mean, our conference couldn’t even elect the best and favorite congressman in this country, Jim Jordan, because of what McCarthy and his allies were doing behind the scenes and orchestrating his failure.
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Turned out McCarthy was behind torpedoing the first three nominees, trying to worm his way back into power. Good riddance! At least now there’s hope to reel in the crazy money spending, America ruining Democrats.
McCarthy was establishment, and was a clone of Paul Ryan. McCarthy took his orders from Ryan and McConnell, and it was evident.
The establishment and the cult followers are demonizing Gaetz for taking a stand against them and "business as usual". Time will tell, but I believe we have a Speaker who will at least make attempts to stop the grift and get things back in order.
Of course, the RINO caucus will team up with their UniParty allies, but now the votes are out in public view.
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Suddenly he is in favor of money for Ukraine.
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Suddenly he is in favor of money for Ukraine.
Sort of.........
I read the statement, and he put the conditions of accountability and putting it in separate funding. Plus, I doubt he is willing to give FJB an open check for whatever he wants, such as including funding to pay Ukraine government salaries and pensions, etc.
Let's see what comes up. Remember, he has to work with the RINO Caucus within his own party. If he came out and said "Nope, we are cutting off funding, period" a firestorm would erupt.
McLoser was just giving FJB whatever he wanted, and no conditions. I don't see that continuing.
On another note, it looks like they will have to do a CR again. What I've read is they will likely do another short term, then the long term will be broken down (as it should be) to be debated and approved by each section, again something McLoser would never consider.
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Sort of.........
I read the statement, and he put the conditions of accountability and putting it in separate funding. Plus, I doubt he is willing to give FJB an open check for whatever he wants, such as including funding to pay Ukraine government salaries and pensions, etc.
Let's see what comes up. Remember, he has to work with the RINO Caucus within his own party. If he came out and said "Nope, we are cutting off funding, period" a firestorm would erupt.
McLoser was just giving FJB whatever he wanted, and no conditions. I don't see that continuing.
On another note, it looks like they will have to do a CR again. What I've read is they will likely do another short term, then the long term will be broken down (as it should be) to be debated and approved by each section, again something McLoser would never consider.
I woke up and my synapses aren’t firing. What’s CR?
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I woke up and my synapses aren’t firing. What’s CR?
Continuing Resolution. Approve the current budget for n more months.
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Continuing Resolution. Approve the current budget for n more months.
Thanks. I’m off to get more coffee.
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Keep in mind there is a good chance Johnson becomes president next year.
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Keep in mind there is a good chance Johnson becomes president next year.
Now that would be interesting. How is Cameltoe leaving office? Like she came in - on her back?
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Now that would be interesting. How is Cameltoe leaving office? Like she came in - on her back?
I’m guessing Joe will die or be 25th -ed and then Cameltoe will be forced out a la Spiro Agnew?
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https://twitter.com/meantweeting1/status/1717685176841437379
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I’m guessing Joe will die or be 25th -ed and then Cameltoe will be forced out a la Spiro Agnew?
For that to come about, cameltoe-knee pads would have to be forced out first. The uniparty would have to have nancy's corrupt nephew ready to step in as VP, but the criminal biden would have to not die before gavin was in place.
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For that to come about, cameltoe-knee pads would have to be forced out first. The uniparty would have to have nancy's corrupt nephew ready to step in as VP, but the criminal biden would have to not die before gavin was in place.
I’d rather be a victim in a horror movie than have him president.
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This country is spiraling out of control, and every day we are getting closer to a world war, and attacks on our own soil.
Biden's dementia is getting worse, and they can't hide it. Plus more and more evidence of the Biden Crime family is coming to light, hard evidence.
FJB has cratered in polls of the democrats. The regime's foreign policy is non existent.
Even the democrats and UniParty loyalist hate Kamala.
Johnson offers an alternative. First of all, he's a basic unknown (politically). He could possibly start unwinding the mess of the present regime. Also, by his popularity among conservatives, if he did get promoted, he offers the establishment their dream, a candidate to stop Trump (hopefully).
For the democrats, just unraveling the fucking mess of the regime on foreign policy will tie him up and stop the investigations. Plus, if anything does get worse, it gives them a fresh whipping boy to point the finger at.
A lot is in play, and it's going to get really wild. Hang on.
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This country is spiraling out of control, and every day we are getting closer to a world war, and attacks on our own soil.
Biden's dementia is getting worse, and they can't hide it. Plus more and more evidence of the Biden Crime family is coming to light, hard evidence.
FJB has cratered in polls of the democrats. The regime's foreign policy is non existent.
Even the democrats and UniParty loyalist hate Kamala.
Johnson offers an alternative. First of all, he's a basic unknown (politically). He could possibly start unwinding the mess of the present regime. Also, by his popularity among conservatives, if he did get promoted, he offers the establishment their dream, a candidate to stop Trump (hopefully).
For the democrats, just unraveling the fucking mess of the regime on foreign policy will tie him up and stop the investigations. Plus, if anything does get worse, it gives them a fresh whipping boy to point the finger at.
A lot is in play, and it's going to get really wild. Hang on.
How exactly do you see that unfolding? Biden and Kamala are in a car together and it blows up? By a jihadist backed by the CIA? With the cooperation of the Secret Service of course.
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How exactly do you see that unfolding? Biden and Kamala are in a car together and it blows up? By a jihadist backed by the CIA? With the cooperation of the Secret Service of course.
No, I think FJB will be 25th'd or step down (health reasons). But just before, Kamala resigns. That resignation happens because of a closed door meeting.
Remember, we have a 4th branch of government, the intelligence branch. They have a folder on her. She will be "convinced" to resign, or even appointed to another position.
Before they start the selection process of a new VP, FJB will depart, and Johnson will be swore in.
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No, I think FJB will be 25th'd or step down (health reasons). But just before, Kamala resigns. That resignation happens because of a closed door meeting.
Remember, we have a 4th branch of government, the intelligence branch. They have a folder on her. She will be "convinced" to resign, or even appointed to another position.
Before they start the selection process of a new VP, FJB will depart, and Johnson will be swore in.
That's the part I'm missing. But Johnson is a "far right religious extremist" whose wife disapproves of homosexuality. Would the Uniparty really throw out Biden/Kammi for him?
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This country is spiraling out of control, and every day we are getting closer to a world war, and attacks on our own soil.
Biden's dementia is getting worse, and they can't hide it. Plus more and more evidence of the Biden Crime family is coming to light, hard evidence.
FJB has cratered in polls of the democrats. The regime's foreign policy is non existent.
Even the democrats and UniParty loyalist hate Kamala.
Johnson offers an alternative. First of all, he's a basic unknown (politically). He could possibly start unwinding the mess of the present regime. Also, by his popularity among conservatives, if he did get promoted, he offers the establishment their dream, a candidate to stop Trump (hopefully).
For the democrats, just unraveling the fucking mess of the regime on foreign policy will tie him up and stop the investigations. Plus, if anything does get worse, it gives them a fresh whipping boy to point the finger at.
A lot is in play, and it's going to get really wild. Hang on.
Oh, I guess you answered that already.
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https://resistthemainstream.com/house-speaker-mike-johnson-has-a-novel-idea-for-avoiding-government-shutdown/?utm_source=truthsocial
BTW, I was not allowed to post this on FB.
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The republicans sleep walked us into this mess by doing one CR after another, so much to the point that many now believe this to be the standard process.
Look for the RINO Caucus to form yet another circular firing squad.
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https://resistthemainstream.com/house-speaker-mike-johnson-has-a-novel-idea-for-avoiding-government-shutdown/?utm_source=truthsocial
BTW, I was not allowed to post this on FB.
This is probably the part FB had a problem with:
“By law, we have one job, and that is to pass 12 appropriations bills and a budget. We aren’t doing that, which is why we are $33 trillion in debt. I won’t vote to let Congress continue kicking the can down the road when we should have been working on this in August. We can’t keep playing games with Americans’ hard-earned money,” Burchett stated.
Kicking the can down the road and playing games with Americans’ hard earned money is exactly what the fascist Corp/Gov alliance wants to do.
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https://resistthemainstream.com/house-speaker-mike-johnson-has-a-novel-idea-for-avoiding-government-shutdown/?utm_source=truthsocial
BTW, I was not allowed to post this on FB.
the fascists at facebook are as pathetic as the mods at poa.
The concept of give and take is the enemy to fucking pussies like them.
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