PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on November 08, 2020, 01:03:17 PM
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Even half wit, clowns like steingar should enable to see how ridiculous this outcome is.
https://thenationalpulse.com/politics/pennsylvania-vote-anomalies/
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I'm ashamed to be a Pennsylvanian. Wyoming or South Dakota here I come. Effing morons and criminals run this Commonwealth.
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I'm ashamed to be a Pennsylvanian. Wyoming or South Dakota here I come. Effing morons and criminals run this Commonwealth
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That's why I left. For the moment, Florida is safe, but influx of Northern Commies will eventually screw the pooch.
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Given the willing acceptance of "adjustments" of climate data (e.g., almost all the "adjustments" increase the temperature data), I don't think the liberals can grasp the statistical problems with the voting data.
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Given the willing acceptance of "adjustments" of climate data (e.g., almost all the "adjustments" increase the temperature data), I don't think the liberals can grasp the statistical problems with the voting data.
They aren't Liberals. They are anti American Marxists.
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I'm ashamed to be a Pennsylvanian. Wyoming or South Dakota here I come. Effing morons and criminals run this Commonwealth.
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Two years ago my own analysis of retirement locales had the east side of the Black Hills in our short list. Others were several areas in WY, hill country of TX, and eastern TN. South Dakota and the Rapid City area in particular is seeing an upsurge in popularity: https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/state-and-regional/pandemic-boosting-home-sales-in-the-state-realtors-say/article_bd7cd155-34b3-51e0-8d69-bd575913a0be.html (https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/state-and-regional/pandemic-boosting-home-sales-in-the-state-realtors-say/article_bd7cd155-34b3-51e0-8d69-bd575913a0be.html)
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Two years ago my own analysis of retirement locales had the east side of the Black Hills in our short list. Others were several areas in WY, hill country of TX, and eastern TN. South Dakota and the Rapid City area in particular is seeing an upsurge in popularity: https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/state-and-regional/pandemic-boosting-home-sales-in-the-state-realtors-say/article_bd7cd155-34b3-51e0-8d69-bd575913a0be.html (https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/state-and-regional/pandemic-boosting-home-sales-in-the-state-realtors-say/article_bd7cd155-34b3-51e0-8d69-bd575913a0be.html)
Living in the Denver, CO burbs for several years gave me a feeling of freedom and exploration not found in the East. The Front Range has changed so much that I doubt I can go back therefore the alternatives I listed. It seems others are thinking the same way.
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The report is troubling. It gives every appearance of fraud having occurred and Democrats should be highly motivated to resolve this or out of the gate Biden's legitimacy will be doubted.
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The report is troubling. It gives every appearance of fraud having occurred and Democrats should be highly motivated to resolve this or out of the gate Biden's legitimacy will be doubted.
How? When Google will hide the information, the MSM will deny and refuse to even talk about it, Twitter and Facebook will ban anyone who brings it up.
Just a few weeks ago we were witnessing piles and piles of data indicating the corruption of the Biden family, and the depravity of Biden's son. It's gone now, not one mention.
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Surely you do not think that reality only happens when the media reports it, right?
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They don't care about Biden's illegitimacy. In fact, it's possible they will use it themselves to impeach him, remove him from office, and crown Harris. It's certain they will do something to get rid of him real quick. Anybody doubt that? Is there anyone here that seriously thinks that man is capable of coherent function? I mean anyone, Republican or Democrat. You libs on here going to tell me you think Biden is mentally sharp? You want him left seat on your next commercial flight?
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Trump wins, election is fine (news flash: Trump LOST the popular vote to Hillary Clinton). Trump looses, has to be fraud. The only answer possible. It couldn’t possibly be that his politics of division didn’t piss off the half of the voting population that isn’t White, wealthy and/or racist. It couldn’t possibly be that he violently mishandled the pandemic (with 5% of the world population we have 20% of the cases). No, it has to be fraud. No other explanation possible. I’ve seen this nonsense before. And the funniest thing is you all believe that these government functionaries, who according to most of the folks on this site can’t manage to chew gum and walk at the same time, are now able to contain a giant conspiracy that spans states and election apparatus and involves officials of both parties.
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My goodness, only an ignorant fool goes on and on about the popular vote.
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Trump wins, election is fine (news flash: Trump LOST the popular vote to Hillary Clinton).
Please explain how this means anything? Nowhere in the constitution does it mention "popular vote. Why do you and your fellow travelers keep obsessing about this?
Trump looses, has to be fraud. The only answer possible.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/11/08/read-39-republicans-call-on-ag-barr-to-investigate-alleged-voter-fraud-n2579710
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/8/matt-schlapp-says-whistleblower-saw-biden-harris-v/
https://thenationalpulse.com/politics/pennsylvania-vote-anomalies/
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/many-200000-wisconsin-residents-may-have-voted-absentee-without-having
It couldn’t possibly be that he violently mishandled the pandemic (with 5% of the world population we have 20% of the cases).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dr-deborah-birx-predicts-200-000-deaths-if-we-do-n1171876
March 30, 2020
Birx said the projections by Dr. Anthony Fauci that U.S. deaths could range from 1.6 million to 2.2 million is a worst case scenario if the country did "nothing" to contain the outbreak, but said even "if we do things almost perfectly," she still predicts up to 200,000 U.S. deaths.
So according to Dr Birx (who you hold in high esteem) predicting proved that Trump did everything "almost perfect".
No, it has to be fraud. No other explanation possible. I’ve seen this nonsense before. And the funniest thing is you all believe that these government functionaries, who according to most of the folks on this site can’t manage to chew gum and walk at the same time, are now able to contain a giant conspiracy that spans states and election apparatus and involves officials of both parties.
But you and your fellow travelers claimed for 4 years that Putin interfered with the 2016 election (with zero proof, even after $50 million spent on multiple investigations) , but now, somehow, it's impossible for voter fraud to happen.
How does that work?
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Didn't read the article, did you Michael?
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Didn't read the article, did you Michael?
Reading comprehension isn't one of his strong points. The big words frighten him. ;)
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Didn't read the article, did you Michael?
You didn’t read my post. A giant conspiracy involving people of both parties and multiple states. All kept secret by folks who according to you are moronic parasites on the body politic. What really bothers me is Trump and his toadies (that’s you guys) are undermining American faith in Democracy itself just so your guy wins. Your playing right into Putin’s handbook. Enjoy your evening comrade.
And by the way Eppy, can you explain the fraud in your state? Last I checked Georgia wa run by Republicans. So how did the Biden camp pull that off? Jimmy the count with a Republican Secretary of State?
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You didn’t read my post. A giant conspiracy involving people of both parties and multiple states. All kept secret by folks who according to you are moronic parasites on the body politic. What really bothers me is Trump and his toadies (that’s you guys) are undermining American faith in Democracy itself just so your guy wins. Your playing right into Putin’s handbook. Enjoy your evening comrade.
Sometime not too long ago you were plagiarizing Putin...... ???
So for 4 years we heard from the democrats that Trump was compromised, and Putin interfered to such an extent that it altered the outcome of the election to Trump. Even you claimed that, multiple times. And that would have had to be a massive fraud to accomplish what you and your fellow travelers alleged.
Yet, multiple investigations, $50 million spent, and never one ounce of evidence was uncovered. Nothing. Nada.
And then you have this pearl of wisdom:
What really bothers me is Trump and his toadies (that’s you guys) are undermining American faith in Democracy
So let's go back to that pesky document that you can't stand, the constitution. Please point out exactly where the President is not allowed to question voting results. And using that document, show us why this election must be decided right this moment, or, or, or....well, it has to be done!
BTW, the word "democracy" does not appear anywhere in the constitution. We are a republic, with the rule of law.
If the democrats have nothing to worry about, and everything is on the up and up, why not let the President's team pursue their legal challenge? After all, won't it be grand to watch him lose his court challenges? If you are so positive and sure, the democrats should openly welcome the scrutiny.
Is there something they don't want someone to see? Well?
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/huge-breaking-news-georgia-132000-ballots-fulton-county-georgia-identified-likely-ineligible/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
HUGE BREAKING NEWS IN GEORGIA – 132,000 Ballots in Fulton County, Georgia Have Been Identified Which Are Likely Ineligible
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..has to be fraud.
True of false - an outlier that is 6 standard deviations out should be investigated to see if there is an explanation.
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36 tweets debunking fraud allegations:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1324435797374808066
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I love it... an internet warrior can go everywhere and interview everyone to debunk all fraud claims...all in a matter of a few days...
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36 tweets debunking fraud allegations:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1324435797374808066
And there ya have it!
BTW, after 4 years of being told how Trump, with the aid of Putin and the Russians, defrauded the American voters and stole the election of 2016, then after multiple investigations by democrats in the House, Senate and DoJ spending $50 million came up with not one piece of evidence, nothing......... Now the democrats are telling us, with mounting evidence, that it's impossible to have voter fraud.
How's that work?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi13x6_Ki3o
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agiB01iiA8Y&feature=youtu.be
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(https://i1.wp.com/www.citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/voter-fraud-meme-2.jpg?resize=768%2C591&ssl=1)
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36 tweets debunking fraud allegations:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1324435797374808066
https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-election-is-being-stolen/
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I'm old enough to remember the election of 2016 in Georgia.
Remember "Gov" Stacy Abrams? She lost GA by 50,000+ votes, claimed the election was stolen (with zero proof) and refused to concede.
The democrats called her "courageous".
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https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/there_are_no_software_glitches.html
November 8, 2020
There are no software 'glitches'
By Jay Valentine
I led the team that developed the fraud detection software for the largest online auction house in the world.
Scammers sold products, did not deliver them to paid customers, then dropped off the site. The perp then changed every identifier — name, address, credit card, phone, literally every ID — and rejoined the site.
Fraud detection software was blind because there was nothing in common between the bad guy and the newly listed same bad guy. Neural nets were useless; there were no patterns.
This was a high-profile deal. It was front-page national news for months. The Secret Service, the FBI, about every fraud detection company was trying to solve it. They could not.
We delivered a fraud technology that stopped auction fraud in its tracks. The auction site publicly stated such, noting it in its annual report.
We know a little bit about fraud, cyber-security, computer programming, and "glitches."
Software is really stupid stuff. It does not go off on its own, has no mind of its own, and there is no intelligence anywhere in code. It performs instructions and does them over and over, exactly the same every time, no matter what.
Until something changes.
Something changing is not a "glitch." It is a change.
Software does not wake up in the morning and suddenly shift 6,000 votes from candidate A to candidate B, as in Biden. An electrical impulse hitting from that outdoor lightning strike does not make code do something different. It may fry a hard drive, but it does not change vote counts.
Software leaves tracks. These are called log files.
This is a little geeky, but software runs on an operating system. You have one on your phone, that thing that updates itself right in the middle of the phone call you need to take.
Operating systems need to track everything they do, so they write automatically to a log file for everything that happens. The software vendor usually uses these log files to see what happened, when something that was not expected did happen. Log files are really useful, and most serious applications use them.
Log files are huge. They are really ugly. If you saw a log file, it would look like thousand pages of random numbers and letters. It would mean nothing...to you.
To a system that reads log files, it would mean everything. A log file is the equivalent of having a social media post for every one of your eye blinks, heartbeats, finger movements, 24 hours a day — you get the picture.
You can screw around with log files and modify them, but it is really hard. It also leaves tracks, as any change to a log file is written to — you guessed it, that log file.
Some applications run on very constrained machines and do not create log files. To create them is to eat up dear storage. No log file means that an application problem is harder to find. Think days of work, maybe a week.
If a computer system appears to wake up in the night, when a national election has stopped counting votes, and "glitches" votes from one candidate to another, guess what: it isn't the standard code. Something changed and it is discoverable in the log files. If there are no logs, it can usually be found in places where the application is writing to a database.
Whatever it was, and there are lots of choices, vote-counting software would be highly unlikely to do this during an election. These kinds of problems are solved during the quality assurance testing as the first item one might check. Such checks would be run over and over against every conceivable circumstance.
Vote-counting software — checking if it actually counts votes for the right guy is something one does pretty early in the process. And if it works, it will continue to work — unless something changes.
So when you hear that there is a "glitch" in the dark of night and votes got moved around, you can bet it wasn't the lightning strike or a broken water pipe. It was someone changing something. It likely left some tracks.
And my experience is there will be lots of tracks. Competent forensic investigators know just where to look. They are likely to find that someone changed something, and it was not a "glitch."
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I'm old enough to remember the election of 2016 in Georgia.
Remember "Gov" Stacy Abrams? She lost GA by 50,000+ votes, claimed the election was stolen (with zero proof) and refused to concede.
The democrats called her "courageous".
I'd call her a Communist whore but nobody but Willie Brown would go near that fat ass.
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I'm old enough to remember the election of 2016 in Georgia.
Remember "Gov" Stacy Abrams? She lost GA by 50,000+ votes, claimed the election was stolen (with zero proof) and refused to concede.
The democrats called her "courageous".
They also referred to the side of beef as a 'runway model...'
Stupid doesn't begin to explain a liberal.
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I notice Eppy hasn't chimed in about how Biden stole the election his state with a Republican secretary of State. By the way, I read the little paper that started this thread. Looked like utter nonsense to me.
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I notice Eppy hasn't chimed in about how Biden stole the election his state with a Republican secretary of State. By the way, I read the little paper that started this thread. Looked like utter nonsense to me.
Here, let me explain this to you.
Yes, the Secretary of State oversees the election process put forth in the state's law. Each county has an election supervisor, who may be an R, a D or an independent. The county election supervisor is responsible to follow orders from the SoS and the applicable laws.
Now, let's say in the counties with adult supervision (R) we are seeing little voting issues, but in the major urban counties that are blue (D) we are seeing all sorts of regularities coming in.
Now it is up to the SoS and the GA Legislature to intervene, which oddly enough, is happening. Oh, and this is what has the (D)'s upset in GA. Notice the (R) counties are not pitching hissy fits and welcome an audit and recount. Tells you all you need to know.
So, why exactly are you so opposed to election audits and recounts? Don't you want the elections to be shown as honest with integrity?
The votes don't have to be certified until Dec 14th, so why the rush?
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Here's an example of massive stupidity of the MSM:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/11/10/msnbcs-joy-ann-reid-embarrasses-herself-big-time-with-a-tweet-wrongly-explaining-the-origin-of-nate-silvers-fivethirtyeight-website/
https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/1326000149550784513
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joy reid makes steingar look like a constitutional scholar
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Here, let me explain this to you.
Yes, the Secretary of State oversees the election process put forth in the state's law. Each county has an election supervisor, who may be an R, a D or an independent. The county election supervisor is responsible to follow orders from the SoS and the applicable laws.
Now, let's say in the counties with adult supervision (R) we are seeing little voting issues, but in the major urban counties that are blue (D) we are seeing all sorts of regularities coming in.
Now it is up to the SoS and the GA Legislature to intervene, which oddly enough, is happening. Oh, and this is what has the (D)'s upset in GA. Notice the (R) counties are not pitching hissy fits and welcome an audit and recount. Tells you all you need to know.
So, why exactly are you so opposed to election audits and recounts? Don't you want the elections to be shown as honest with integrity?
The votes don't have to be certified until Dec 14th, so why the rush?
Where have I said that I was against recounts? As far as I know, many of these states are going to do recounts because the election was close. What I said was that most of the Mango Mussilini's objections are baseless, there is no evidence at all of massive fraud. That's why all his lawsuits have been thrown out.
I agree with the objections that the counts aren't done, in many states they aren't. The problem is the massive numbers of absentee and other mail in ballots. There are no provisions to count them quickly, so it takes time. What is clear is that in the states that have been called, there aren't sufficient ballots outstanding to change the result.
Of course, if the same thing happens in the recount, e.g. absentee ballots have to be scrutinized one by one for signatures, the recounts are going be similarly glacial.
The one thing of which I am absolutely sure, no matter what happens, when Biden is finally announced the winner by whatever body for whom you guys are waiting, Trump will claim fraud and file lawsuits. He will not concede his loss under any circumstances. He will continue to rail agains the theft of his election until his dying day. No doubt you all will do likewise.
I'm just hoping that Trump is an aberration, and not the new normal. All this divisiveness is really bad for America.
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https://pjmedia.com/election/megan-fox/2020/11/09/ronna-mcdaniel-presents-131-affidavits-2800-incident-reports-of-alleged-voter-fraud-in-mi-media-still-demands-evidence-n1134171
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Where have I said that I was against recounts? As far as I know, many of these states are going to do recounts because the election was close. What I said was that most of the Mango Mussilini's objections are baseless, there is no evidence at all of massive fraud. That's why all his lawsuits have been thrown out.
Which lawsuits are you referring too? Since last thursday what has been filed with regards to the election are still standing. Can you please cite a reference?
I agree with the objections that the counts aren't done, in many states they aren't. The problem is the massive numbers of absentee and other mail in ballots. There are no provisions to count them quickly, so it takes time. What is clear is that in the states that have been called, there aren't sufficient ballots outstanding to change the result.
Excuse me, called by who? The SoS of each state "calls" the election by certifying votes, and to my knowledge not a single state has certified.
Also, in some of those states there are pending litigation and request for audits. Again, it's premature to "call" and election before the party contesting has had their day in court.
Of course, if the same thing happens in the recount, e.g. absentee ballots have to be scrutinized one by one for signatures, the recounts are going be similarly glacial.
The one thing of which I am absolutely sure, no matter what happens, when Biden is finally announced the winner by whatever body for whom you guys are waiting, Trump will claim fraud and file lawsuits. He will not concede his loss under any circumstances. He will continue to rail agains the theft of his election until his dying day. No doubt you all will do likewise.
OK, now you are back to the inane rants, and your ignorance is once again astounding.
Once the legal avenues have been exhausted, and a court ruling is in place, it's over. Period. Who is Trump going to appeal a SC ruling to? Please explain to us what legal means he has to do this?
So what if he rails against this after a loss? At that point he will be "private citizen" Trump, and like you, will still have rights to his opinion. Does it bother you that bad that he's entitled to his opinion, or do you prefer going with a communist solution of having him permanently cancelled?
Perhaps you and your fellow communist can have him exiled.
I'm just hoping that Trump is an aberration, and not the new normal. All this divisiveness is really bad for America.
Do you realize just how laughable a statement such as that is, coming from a party that has just spent 4 years tearing this country apart over an election they lost?
Four years of endless investigations, $50 million tax dollars spent, constant harassment of the President's family, constant unfounded allegations, then, during an election year that same party backs hate groups such as ANTIFA and BLM to riot and burn cities, murder people and ruin people's lives.
What about that divisiveness? Oh, that's right, you don't care about that. It's just a means to an end.
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Here, let me explain this to you.
Yes, the Secretary of State oversees the election process put forth in the state's law. Each county has an election supervisor, who may be an R, a D or an independent. The county election supervisor is responsible to follow orders from the SoS and the applicable laws.
Now, let's say in the counties with adult supervision (R) we are seeing little voting issues, but in the major urban counties that are blue (D) we are seeing all sorts of regularities coming in.
Now it is up to the SoS and the GA Legislature to intervene, which oddly enough, is happening. Oh, and this is what has the (D)'s upset in GA. Notice the (R) counties are not pitching hissy fits and welcome an audit and recount. Tells you all you need to know.
So, why exactly are you so opposed to election audits and recounts? Don't you want the elections to be shown as honest with integrity?
The votes don't have to be certified until Dec 14th, so why the rush?
Thanks, saved me a lot of work.
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Which lawsuits are you referring too? Since last thursday what has been filed with regards to the election are still standing. Can you please cite a reference?
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933112418/the-trump-campaign-has-had-almost-no-legal-success-this-month-heres-what-they-ve (https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933112418/the-trump-campaign-has-had-almost-no-legal-success-this-month-heres-what-they-ve)
Excuse me, called by who? The SoS of each state "calls" the election by certifying votes, and to my knowledge not a single state has certified.
Actually, I think nothing is really official until the electoral college meets on Dec 14. But you are correct, counts are ongoing in a number of states and the vote hasn't been certified.
Also, in some of those states there are pending litigation and request for audits. Again, it's premature to "call" and election before the party contesting has had their day in court.
So far all the lawsuits have involved baseless allegations of vote fraud. At least that's how the judges are seeing it. Were any of the allegations you've been posting for real I think the judges would think otherwise.
Once the legal avenues have been exhausted, and a court ruling is in place, it's over. Period. Who is Trump going to appeal a SC ruling to? Please explain to us what legal means he has to do this?
The legal avenues will never cease with Trump. Never. This is what he does. Banks allowed him to walk away from a quarter billion dollars in debt because they didn't want to deal with his litigious nature.
So what if he rails against this after a loss? At that point he will be "private citizen" Trump, and like you, will still have rights to his opinion. Does it bother you that bad that he's entitled to his opinion, or do you prefer going with a communist solution of having him permanently cancelled?
He's already railing after his loss. Hillary Clinton had a close and very surprising loss to Trump. One it was realized she conceded, and told her supporters that Trump was going to be their Presdient and that they should support him.
Perhaps you and your fellow communist can have him exiled.
I'll be surprised if Trump remains in the US given there is criminal litigation coming his way. I doubt he can outrun the half billion debt headed his way though. Funny you calling mea commie. You are the one trying to undermine democracy, and you are the one who forwards links put up by Russian bots. That's where half the stuff you link comes from, comrade.
Do you realize just how laughable a statement such as that is, coming from a party that has just spent 4 years tearing this country apart over an election they lost?
First, Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote. But I think there were two years where Trump's party was large and in charge of all three branches of government. You don't get to complain about that.
Four years of endless investigations, $50 million tax dollars spent, constant harassment of the President's family, constant unfounded allegations, then, during an election year that same party backs hate groups such as ANTIFA and BLM to riot and burn cities, murder people and ruin people's lives.
The investigations uncovered obstruction of justice, but was swept under the rug. The funny thing is after being hauled onto the carpet for potential election interference from Russia, Trump turns around and tries to solicit election interference from Ukraine. He really doesn't get it.
What about that divisiveness? Oh, that's right, you don't care about that. It's just a means to an end.
Trump is the most divisive POTUS I have seen.
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https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933112418/the-trump-campaign-has-had-almost-no-legal-success-this-month-heres-what-they-ve (https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933112418/the-trump-campaign-has-had-almost-no-legal-success-this-month-heres-what-they-ve)
Actually, I think nothing is really official until the electoral college meets on Dec 14. But you are correct, counts are ongoing in a number of states and the vote hasn't been certified.
So far all the lawsuits have involved baseless allegations of vote fraud. At least that's how the judges are seeing it. Were any of the allegations you've been posting for real I think the judges would think otherwise.
The legal avenues will never cease with Trump. Never. This is what he does. Banks allowed him to walk away from a quarter billion dollars in debt because they didn't want to deal with his litigious nature.
Trump is the most divisive POTUS I have seen.
I’m on a iPhone and can’t answer each one of your points individually as I would like.
So, the article posted is misleading. They are attempting to conflate previous actions to recently filed actions to confuse the issues at hand. But for weak minded people, such as yourself, with zero legal knowledge and short reading comprehension it somehow looks convincing.
You’ve also mistakingly asserted the “judges” aren’t seeing any voter fraud, therefore “throwing the cases out”. Again, hasn’t happened. Our courts don’t work that way.
The rest of your diatribe is almost unreadable because you can’t figure out how to respond on a forum in a format. Not surprising.
Yes, I called you a communist. And I stand by it. You associate with a political party that has communist affiliation, a party that supports and operates hate groups, and a party that has fully embraced Marxism. You have over the past few years extolled Marxist ideology over and over.
Again, I’ll conclude with this. If you are so certain that there was no fraud involved with the voting, then why not allow Trump and his legal team to go their course and be proven wrong?
You lamely assert “this is tearing apart the country”, but that’s just cover because deep down you are afraid of what’s about to be uncovered.
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https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933112418/the-trump-campaign-has-had-almost-no-legal-success-this-month-heres-what-they-ve (https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933112418/the-trump-campaign-has-had-almost-no-legal-success-this-month-heres-what-they-ve)
Actually, I think nothing is really official until the electoral college meets on Dec 14. But you are correct, counts are ongoing in a number of states and the vote hasn't been certified.
So far all the lawsuits have involved baseless allegations of vote fraud. At least that's how the judges are seeing it. Were any of the allegations you've been posting for real I think the judges would think otherwise.
The legal avenues will never cease with Trump. Never. This is what he does. Banks allowed him to walk away from a quarter billion dollars in debt because they didn't want to deal with his litigious nature.
He's already railing after his loss. Hillary Clinton had a close and very surprising loss to Trump. One it was realized she conceded, and told her supporters that Trump was going to be their Presdient and that they should support him.
I'll be surprised if Trump remains in the US given there is criminal litigation coming his way. I doubt he can outrun the half billion debt headed his way though. Funny you calling mea commie. You are the one trying to undermine democracy, and you are the one who forwards links put up by Russian bots. That's where half the stuff you link comes from, comrade.
First, Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote. But I think there were two years where Trump's party was large and in charge of all three branches of government. You don't get to complain about that.
The investigations uncovered obstruction of justice, but was swept under the rug. The funny thing is after being hauled onto the carpet for potential election interference from Russia, Trump turns around and tries to solicit election interference from Ukraine. He really doesn't get it.
Trump is the most divisive POTUS I have seen.
BTW, why do you keep clinging to this Hillary won the popular vote” diatribe?
Can you please elaborate where in the constitution it refers to a popular vote?
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He will not concede his loss under any circumstances.
Isn't that what HRC told Biden to do?
Funny how the Russians "failed" Trump in winning a second time.
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Isn't that what HRC told Biden to do?
Funny how the Russians "failed" Trump in winning a second time.
I guess the Chinese cheats are better than the Russian cheats.
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So, the article posted is misleading. They are attempting to conflate previous actions to recently filed actions to confuse the issues at hand. But for weak minded people, such as yourself, with zero legal knowledge and short reading comprehension it somehow looks convincing.
Baloney. They said what lawsuits were filed, and which ones were rejected and why. I think the only thing team Trump got was an order to let their poll watchers stand a foot closer.
You’ve also mistakingly asserted the “judges” aren’t seeing any voter fraud, therefore “throwing the cases out”. Again, hasn’t happened. Our courts don’t work that way.
Judge sees case. Sees no evidence. Dismisses suit. That's how it works.
Yes, I called you a communist. And I stand by it. You associate with a political party that has communist affiliation, a party that supports and operates hate groups, and a party that has fully embraced Marxism. You have over the past few years extolled Marxist ideology over and over.
That's pretty ironic. You're trying to ignore the will of the people as expressed in their election, and indeed are trying to undermine democracy itself to get your dear leader more time in power. You frequently link stories planted by Russian disinformation farms. Manipulation of democracy and disinformation are the tools of autocrats like Putin. If the boot fits, wear it comrade.
Again, I’ll conclude with this. If you are so certain that there was no fraud involved with the voting, then why not allow Trump and his legal team to go their course and be proven wrong?
You've said over and over again that the votes aren't yet counted and I've agreed with you. So why file lawsuits if the process isn't even done yet?
You lamely assert “this is tearing apart the country”, but that’s just cover because deep down you are afraid of what’s about to be uncovered.
We're in the middle of the transition, and Trump isn't playing ball. We have a nationwide epidemic, foreign wars, and Odin only knows what kind covert actions. But Trump is going to take his ball and go home. Having the next POTUS walk in cold is at best dangerous, and completely and utterly unprecedented.
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By the way, I read the little paper that started this thread. Looked like utter nonsense to me.
So, your answer is no, statistically unlikely voting patterns should not be investigated (if they benefit Democrats).
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We're in the middle of the transition, and Trump isn't playing ball. We have a nationwide epidemic, foreign wars, and Odin only knows what kind covert actions. But Trump is going to take his ball and go home. Having the next POTUS walk in cold is at best dangerous, and completely and utterly unprecedented.
We are not in transition. Biden is NOT the president elect. That doesn't happen until the Electoral College has its say. Doesn't matter what the MSM says or wants to happen. I'm sure that once we're all assured that the election is fair and all the legal votes are counted then Trump will assume the second term of his presidency.
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So, your answer is no, statistically unlikely voting patterns should not be investigated (if they benefit Democrats).
The way that guy calculated his statistics was so devoid of basis as to be nearly farcical. Hey look, if there's evidence of vote fraud by all means. Find and punish the perpetrators and set the record right. I don't want my guy to win in a dishonest contest. But frankly, all I'm seeing is "our guy lost, so it must be fraud especially since he says so".
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We are not in transition. Biden is NOT the president elect. That doesn't happen until the Electoral College has its say. Doesn't matter what the MSM says or wants to happen. I'm sure that once we're all assured that the election is fair and all the legal votes are counted then Trump will assume the second term of his presidency.
Traditionally someone concedes and the transition gets going well before then, since it is a fairly complicated business. Obama didn't wait until the Electoral college met to meet Trump at the White House and offer assistance in the transition. George W did the same when Obama won.
You raise one very good point. Votes are still being counted. But the writing is most definitely on the wall.
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Traditionally someone concedes and the transition gets going well before then, since it is a fairly complicated business. Obama didn't wait until the Electoral college met to meet Trump at the White House and offer assistance in the transition. George W did the same when Obama won.
You raise one very good point. Votes are still being counted. But the writing is most definitely on the wall.
This election is very close and the time between the popular and electoral votes allows us time to get it right.
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This election is very close and the time between the popular and electoral votes allows us time to get it right.
As you know States elect Presidents. Popular vote is meaningless.
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As you know States elect Presidents. Popular vote is meaningless.
Right, but the time between the popular election and electoral vote gives us time to ensure everything is correct.
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I'm just hoping that Trump is an aberration, and not the new normal. All this divisiveness is really bad for America.
You mean like Hillary continuing to say to this day that her coronation was stolen, or that the Russians colluded to give Trump a win, and he couldn’t have won that on his own? Or calling every a Trump voter a deplorable, a racist, a misogynist, a white supremacist, a dumb hick, or Biden’s latest, a chump?
Is that the divisiveness that you say is bad for America?
I didn’t like Obama sticking his bony finger in my chest during every SOTU, but I put up with it.
I don’t put up with being called what I’ve been called over the last 5 years. So you can go fuck yourself. We won’t forget how we were treated. Fuck off.
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You mean like Hillary continuing to say to this day that her coronation was stolen, or that the Russians colluded to give Trump a win, and he couldn’t have won that on his own? Or calling every a Trump voter a deplorable, a racist, a misogynist, a white supremacist, a dumb hick, or Biden’s latest, a chump? treated. Fuck off.
First, Hillary Clinton did win the election, she got he most votes. Of course that's not how our political system works since the founders of our nation weren't entirely sold on the radical new notion of Democracy. I think her "deplorables" comment was directed against White Supremacists, but her verbiage was most unfortunate. Then again, she isn't running for public office of any kind, so I really don't know why we're talking about her. if you really believe this nonsense about massive electoral fraud you are a chump. Get over yourself.
Is that the divisiveness that you say is bad for America?
No, I'm more talking about Trump's red state/blue state verbiage, or his labeling judges "Obama judges" or his support of white supremacists, or his exhortations to his followers to employ violence, or...
I didn’t like Obama sticking his bony finger in my chest during every SOTU, but I put up with it.
And I put up with Trump's lack of vocabulary. He was and is my POTUS until January 20.
I don’t put up with being called what I’ve been called over the last 5 years. So you can go fuck yourself. We won’t forget how we were treated. Fuck off.
If by "we" you mean Nazis, well, I have something to tell you. Papa Steingar went through all sorts of hell fighting Nazis. I therefore only have one thing more to say to you.
Fuck You!
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First, Hillary Clinton did win the election, she got he most votes.
good god. are you that ignorant?
really?
You have that little understanding of the process? that little grasp of reality?
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Baloney. They said what lawsuits were filed, and which ones were rejected and why. I think the only thing team Trump got was an order to let their poll watchers stand a foot closer.
Judge sees case. Sees no evidence. Dismisses suit. That's how it works.
That's pretty ironic. You're trying to ignore the will of the people as expressed in their election, and indeed are trying to undermine democracy itself to get your dear leader more time in power. You frequently link stories planted by Russian disinformation farms. Manipulation of democracy and disinformation are the tools of autocrats like Putin. If the boot fits, wear it comrade.
You've said over and over again that the votes aren't yet counted and I've agreed with you. So why file lawsuits if the process isn't even done yet?
We're in the middle of the transition, and Trump isn't playing ball. We have a nationwide epidemic, foreign wars, and Odin only knows what kind covert actions. But Trump is going to take his ball and go home. Having the next POTUS walk in cold is at best dangerous, and completely and utterly unprecedented.
Can you share any posts where you railed against Al Gore for unnecessarily delaying the transition for 37 days after the election?
If not you are a goddamned hypocrite.
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Traditionally someone concedes and the transition gets going well before then, since it is a fairly complicated business. Obama didn't wait until the Electoral college met to meet Trump at the White House and offer assistance in the transition. George W did the same when Obama won.
You raise one very good point. Votes are still being counted. But the writing is most definitely on the wall.
Those elections weren't contested, hence there was a concession and a transition process.
In Gore vs Bush 2000 the transition was delayed until after the court dispute was settled. The transition has to be approved by the Executive Branch since it involves huge amounts of taxpayer funds and access to various government agencies.
So why would we be willing to put millions of dollars at risk without a definitive winner? It would be embarrassing to ask Biden to pay it back if he loses.
And yes, the writing is indeed on the wall. ;)
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The way that guy calculated his statistics was so devoid of basis as to be nearly farcical. Hey look, if there's evidence of vote fraud by all means. Find and punish the perpetrators and set the record right. I don't want my guy to win in a dishonest contest. But frankly, all I'm seeing is "our guy lost, so it must be fraud especially since he says so".
So, what evidence have "you seen"? Are you involved in the process somehow? You keep harping about evidence without actually seeing it.
I've seen summations of the evidence, and I'm waiting to see the legal side play out.
You just want it shut down before it even gets there.
Again, why are you so afraid of this seeing the inside of a courtroom?
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good god. are you that ignorant?
really?
You have that little understanding of the process? that little grasp of reality?
Well, obviously the Framers weren't smarter than the Perfesser.
In reality, they knew that a full Democracy would be blatantly unfair and doomed to fail.
“democracy is two wolves and lamb voting on what to have for lunch” - B Franklin
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Baloney. They said what lawsuits were filed, and which ones were rejected and why. I think the only thing team Trump got was an order to let their poll watchers stand a foot closer.
Judge sees case. Sees no evidence. Dismisses suit. That's how it works.
Uh, no it doesn't. You are extremely ignorant on legal procedure. I could take the time to try to teach you, but honestly I would get a better outcome teaching my cat.
That's pretty ironic. You're trying to ignore the will of the people as expressed in their election, and indeed are trying to undermine democracy itself to get your dear leader more time in power.
You constantly are missing the whole point of this. This is not about the two candidates, this is everything about election integrity.
The candidate contesting (his legal right) wants to insure we had a fair and legal election. We are a country of the rule of law, and everyone who voted deserves a fair election. That is the will of the people.
It's you and your fellow travelers that are demanding that everyone just accept an outcome and don't dare question the irregularities. That's undermining in every sense of the word.
And BTW, you keep injecting "democracy" into this. It's not, we are a republic with a constitution, and the rule of law.
You frequently link stories planted by Russian disinformation farms. Manipulation of democracy and disinformation are the tools of autocrats like Putin. If the boot fits, wear it comrade.
Says the guy that recently plagiarized Putin on this very forum. Projection?
Oh, can you cite those "Russian Disinformation Farms"? Or is this just more inane rambling?
You've said over and over again that the votes aren't yet counted and I've agreed with you. So why file lawsuits if the process isn't even done yet?
Unfortunately there is a timeline and deadlines by that document you hate called the constitution.
Some of the lawsuits are being filed as evidence has been found and verified. And the lawsuits are on different items. Again, legally complex. But they are being filed with respect to the constitution.
Of course it would make you happy to see them wait and not be adjudicated due to no standing. But the lawyers know better.
We're in the middle of the transition, and Trump isn't playing ball.
Yes he is. He's following the law, which is to be expected. Because he won't concede is your idea of not playing ball. The other side is trying to shove the ball down his throat, and ours collectively.
The election has not been called. Get it? The media is not entitled to call an election. Here is the actual state of the election right now:
Biden/Harris 259 Trump/Pence 214
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2020/president/
No one has 270 yet.
Biden/Harris 259 Trump/Pence 214
We have a nationwide epidemic, foreign wars, and Odin only knows what kind covert actions. But Trump is going to take his ball and go home. Having the next POTUS walk in cold is at best dangerous, and completely and utterly unprecedented.
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The guy that has proclaimed himself as "President-Elect" will have to have handlers walk him into the oval office and sit him down. They will have to wipe drool off his face and keep him from playing with himself in front of dignitaries.
Right now President Trump is running things. He's still your President, and in charge.
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First, Hillary Clinton did win the election, she got he most votes.
I know you know better than that, so why lie?
Of course that's not how our political system works
See, I knew you knew better,
. . .since the founders of our nation weren't entirely sold on the radical new notion of Democracy.
Democracy: I forget who used to have the sig that said "Democracy" was two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner.
edit: I see that "YouOnlyLiveTwice" already used the wolf analogy.
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First, Hillary Clinton did win the election, she got he most votes.
Of course that's not how our political system works since the founders of our nation weren't entirely sold on the radical new notion of Democracy.
That is one of the most profoundly ignorant statements I've ever witnessed. Have you ever studied history, or even the constitution?
The framers avoided democracy because they knew what a disaster would follow.
Oh, and democracy wasn't a "new notion". Seriously, are you this incredibly ignorant?
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Sadly, I must deem Steingar a troll. He is weirdly incoherent and immature, and it seems highly unlikely his claim of being a professor is true. Oh wait ... liberal professor ... okay. But still, only a troll would say some of the things he does. “Hillary won the election.” Right! And unicorns can fly.
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Sadly, I must deem Steingar a troll. He is weirdly incoherent and immature, and it seems highly unlikely his claim of being a professor is true. Oh wait ... liberal professor ... okay. But still, only a troll would say some of the things he does. “Hillary won the election.” Right! And unicorns can fly.
His PhD was written in crayon, and hangs proudly above the toilet in his bathroom. ;)
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First, Hillary Clinton did win the election, she got he most votes. Of course that's not how our political system works since the founders of our nation weren't entirely sold on the radical new notion of Democracy. I think her "deplorables" comment was directed against White Supremacists, but her verbiage was most unfortunate. Then again, she isn't running for public office of any kind, so I really don't know why we're talking about her. if you really believe this nonsense about massive electoral fraud you are a chump. Get over yourself.
No, I'm more talking about Trump's red state/blue state verbiage, or his labeling judges "Obama judges" or his support of white supremacists, or his exhortations to his followers to employ violence, or...
And I put up with Trump's lack of vocabulary. He was and is my POTUS until January 20.
If by "we" you mean Nazis, well, I have something to tell you. Papa Steingar went through all sorts of hell fighting Nazis. I therefore only have one thing more to say to you.
Fuck You!
Godwin’s Law rears its head once again. You lose.
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But frankly, all I'm seeing is "our guy lost, so it must be fraud especially since he says so".
If that's all you're seeing, it's because you don't want to find anything.
I've seen at least 5 different things that either have or are being investigated, including but not limited to voting machine tabulation errors (which I have seen demonstrated), incorrect ballots, inconsistent voting pattern, a 90% win margin for Biden in a deep red district, and dead people voting.
What you haven't said before now is that you're even willing to entertain that these things might be true. True or not, they have to be investigated and disproven or else Biden's presidency is going to grind to a halt before it gets out of the gate. He's only winning by fewer than 75,000 votes, about 20% of Trump's vote margin in 2016.
If Democrats don't run down every allegation of fraud then half the country is going to believe it happened and they are just trying to cover it up. Biden will be unable to govern under those conditions without appearing to be a despot. You know, you've lived it the past 4 years and there wasn't even any allegations of fraud.
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If that's all you're seeing, it's because you don't want to find anything.
I've seen at least 5 different things that either have or are being investigated, including but not limited to voting machine tabulation errors (which I have seen demonstrated), incorrect ballots, inconsistent voting pattern, a 90% win margin for Biden in a deep red district, and dead people voting.
What you haven't said before now is that you're even willing to entertain that these things might be true. True or not, they have to be investigated and disproven or else Biden's presidency is going to grind to a halt before it gets out of the gate. He's only winning by fewer than 75,000 votes, about 20% of Trump's vote margin in 2016.
If Democrats don't run down every allegation of fraud then half the country is going to believe it happened and they are just trying to cover it up. Biden will be unable to govern under those conditions without appearing to be a despot. You know, you've lived it the past 4 years and there wasn't even any allegations of fraud.
THIS. ^^^^^ This is what Michael is oblivious to. But the Dems apparently want a despot, as long as he’s anti-capitalism and pro-political elite. Someone to keep the corrupt swamp in place while tearing down this country. The polar opposite of Trump.
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I don't believe they want a despot, as you say, Michael ... and Democrats ... are just oblivious to the situation.
As a patriot, I want was is best for the country and that is NOT a country split because questions about voting fraud were whitewashed.
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Michael is fond of the popular vote. Take away California and see how the popular vote would look.
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The Democrats want an anti American Globalist that puts other countries first. They are self loathing hypocrite liars.
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Michael is fond of the popular vote. Take away California and see how the popular vote would look.
Ask a lefty how they feel about popular vote if a popular vote will ban gay marriage, declare only 2 sexes, and stop abortions.
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What I said was that most of the Mango Mussilini's objections are baseless, there is no evidence at all of massive fraud. That's why all his lawsuits have been thrown out.
Are you referring to this one? Republican Party of Pennsylvania v. Boockvar
Sure doesn't appear to be "thrown out".
https://www.supremecourt.gov/docket/docketfiles/html/public/20-542.html
https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/republican-party-of-pennsylvania-v-boockvar-2/
Date Proceedings and Orders (key to color coding)
Sep 28 2020 Application (20A53) for a stay, submitted to Justice Alito.
Sep 29 2020 Response to application (20A53) requested by Justice Alito, due Monday, October 5, by 3 p.m.
Sep 30 2020 Motion for leave to file amicus brief and motion for leave to file brief in compliance with Rule 33.2 filed by Bryan Cutler, et al.
Oct 02 2020 Motion for leave to file amici brief filed by Tom Ridge, et al.
Oct 05 2020 Response to application from respondents Kathy Boockvar, et al. filed.
Oct 05 2020 Response to application from respondent Luzerne County Election Board filed.
Oct 05 2020 Response to application from respondents Pennsylvania Democratic Party, et al. filed.
Oct 05 2020 Motion for leave to file amici brief and motion for leave to file brief in compliance with Rule 33.2 filed by Oklahoma, et al.
Oct 05 2020 Motion for leave to file amicus brief filed by Eagle Forum Education & Legal Defense Fund.
Oct 05 2020 Motion for leave to file amicus brief filed by Christian Family Coalition Florida, Inc.
Oct 06 2020 Reply of applicants Joseph B. Scarnati III, et al. filed.
Oct 19 2020 Application (20A53) referred to the Court.
Oct 19 2020 Application (20A53) denied by the Court. Justice Thomas, Justice Alito, Justice Gorsuch, and Justice Kavanaugh would grant the application.
Oct 23 2020 Petition for a writ of certiorari filed. (Response due November 25, 2020)
Oct 23 2020 Motion to expedite consideration of the petition for a writ of certiorari filed by petitioner.
Oct 25 2020 Response to motion from respondent Pennsylvania Democratic Party filed.
Oct 26 2020 Motion for leave to file amicus brief filed by Honest Elections Project.
Oct 26 2020 Response to motion from respondent Kathy Boockvar filed.
Oct 27 2020 Motion to recuse from respondent Luzerne County Board of Elections not accepted for filing. (October 29, 2020 - See Notice of Withdrawal of Motion to Recuse submitted October 29, 2020)
Oct 27 2020 Reply in Support of Motion to Expedite Consideration filed.
Oct 28 2020 Motion to expedite consideration of the petition for a writ of certiorari DENIED. Justice Barrett took no part in the consideration or decision of this motion. Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas and Justice Gorsuch join. (Detached Opinion)
Oct 28 2020 Letter of October 28, 2020 from counsel for respondent Kathy Boockvar, Secretary of State of Pennsylvania filed.
Oct 29 2020 Notice of withdrawal of motion to recuse from counsel for respondent Luzerne County Board of Elections submitted. (Received November 2, 2020)
Nov 04 2020 Motion for leave to intervene as a petitioner filed by Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. filed.
Nov 04 2020 Response to motion for leave to intervene requested, due Thursday, November 5, 2020, by 5 p.m.
Nov 05 2020 Response to motion from petitioner Republican Party of Pennsylvania filed.
Nov 05 2020 Response to motion from respondent Kathy Boockvar filed.
Nov 05 2020 Response to motion from respondent Pennsylvania Democratic Party filed.
Nov 05 2020 Response to motion from respondent Luzerne County Board of Elections filed.
Nov 06 2020 Application (20A84) for injunctive relief pending the disposition of the petition for certiorari, submitted to Justice Alito.
Nov 06 2020 Reply in Support of Motion for Leave to Intervene as a Petitioner filed.
Nov 06 2020 Order issued by Justice Alito: All county boards of election are hereby ordered, pending further order of the Court, to comply with the following guidance provided by the Secretary of the Commonwealth on October 28 and November 1, namely, (1) that all ballots received by mail after 8:00 p.m. on November 3 be segregated and kept “in a secure, safe and sealed container separate from other voted ballots,” and (2) that all such ballots, if counted, be counted separately. Pa. Dep’t of State, Pennsylvania Guidance for Mail-in and Absentee Ballots Received From the United States Postal Service After 8:00 p.m. on Tuesday, November 3, 2020 (Oct. 28, 2020); Pa. Dep’t of State, Canvassing Segregated Mail-in and Civilian Absentee Ballots Received by Mail After 8:00 p.m. on Tuesday, November 3, 2020 and Before 5:00 p.m. on Friday, November 6, 2020 (Nov. 1, 2020). Until today, this Court was not informed that the guidance issued on October 28, which had an important bearing on the question whether to order special treatment of the ballots in question, had been modified. The application received today also informs the Court that neither the applicant nor the Secretary has been able to verify that all boards are complying with the Secretary’s guidance, which, it is alleged, is not legally binding on them. I am immediately referring this application to the Conference and direct that any response be filed as soon as possible but in any event no later than 2 p.m. tomorrow, November 7, 2020.
Nov 06 2020 Response to application from respondent Pennsylvania Democratic Party filed.
Nov 07 2020 Response to application from respondent Kathy Boockvar, Secretary of Pennsylvania filed.
Nov 07 2020 Response to application from respondent Luzerne County Board of Elections filed.
Nov 08 2020 Letter of respondent Kathy Boockvar, Secretary of Pennsylvania filed.
Nov 09 2020 Reply of applicant Republican Party of Pennsylvania filed.
Nov 09 2020 Amicus brief of State of Ohio submitted.
Nov 09 2020 Amicus brief of State of Missouri submitted.
Nov 09 2020 Amicus brief of State of Oklahoma submitted.
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What I said was that most of the Mango Mussilini's objections are baseless, there is no evidence at all of massive fraud. That's why all his lawsuits have been thrown out.
Hmmmmm......... This one hasn't appeared to be "thrown out" as you allege. Donald J. Trump for President Inc. v. Katie Hobbs
https://cdn.donaldjtrump.com/public-files/press_assets/verified-complaint-with-attachments.pdf
And then we have:
Pennsylvania Democratic Party v. Boockvar Whether a decision by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court requiring the state to count mail-in ballots received up to three days after Election Day, as long as they are not clearly postmarked after Election Day, violates federal election law and the Constitution. U.S. Supreme Court
Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. v. Benson Whether Michigan's constitution and election laws require that absentee ballots be counted in the presence of an "elections inspector" from each political party; and if so, whether the state should stop counting ballots until that requirement is met or separate ballots counted without representatives of both parties present. Michigan Court of Claims
Carson v. Simon (1) Whether a measure by Minnesota elections officials extending the deadline for timely postmarked absentee ballots to be received and still counted until one week after Election Day violates the U.S. Constitution; and (2) whether the challengers, two nominees to serve as Republican Party presidential electors in Minnesota, have legal standing to challenge the measure. U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit
Michigan Alliance for Retired Americans v. Benson Whether a policy by the secretary of state of Michigan extending the deadline to receive absentee ballots that are postmarked by Election Day until 14 days after Election Day violates federal law and the U.S Constitution. Michigan Court of Appeals
Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. v. Boockvar Whether a number of Pennsylvania elections accommodations in light of the coronavirus pandemic – providing additional drop-off sites and alleviating signature-matching requirements for absentee ballots, as well as lifting a restriction on employing out-of-county poll workers – violate state election law and the U.S. Constitution. U.S. District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania
Mi Familia Vota v. Hobbs Whether previous stay-at-home orders and other closures due to the coronavirus pandemic justify an extension of Arizona's voter registration deadline past the original date of Oct. 5, 2020. U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit
Arizona Democratic Party v. Hobbs Whether recent changes to Arizona's election procedures – which provide both absentee voters whose signatures on their mail-in ballots cannot be verified, and in-person voters who cannot provide proper identification at the polls, up to five days after Election Day to remedy their ballot identification issues – must also be extended to absentee voters who submit unsigned ballots. U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit
The New Georgia Project v. Raffensperger Whether Georgia's requirement that absentee ballots be received by 7 p.m. on Election Day poses an unconstitutional infringement on the right to vote in light of the coronavirus pandemic. U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit
Moore v. Circosta Whether coronavirus-related changes implemented after the start of absentee voting by North Carolina elections officials to a number of absentee ballot procedures – extending the deadline to receive ballots, and modifying requirements for postmarking and third-party collection of them – violate the state legislature's power to regulate elections under the Constitution as well as the equal protection clause. U.S. Supreme Court
Democratic National Committee v. Bostelmann Whether the coronavirus pandemic requires a number of changes to Wisconsin's election procedures, such as extending the deadline to return absentee ballots, permitting electronic delivery of those ballots for voters who do not receive them in time to mail them, and lifting the restriction on employing out-of-county poll workers. U.S. Supreme Court
Donald J. Trump for President v. Way Whether an executive order by the governor of New Jersey in light of the coronavirus pandemic that requires mail-in ballots to be sent to all registered voters in the state, and extends the deadline for submitting them, violates federal election law and the Constitution. U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey
Donald J. Trump for President v. Cegavske Whether recent changes by the state legislature to Nevada's voting procedures including, among other things, the expansion of voting-by-mail and a requirement that officials count ballots received up to three days after Election Day, violate federal election law and the Fourteenth Amendment. U.S. District Court for the District of Nevada
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Michael is fond of the popular vote. Take away California and see how the popular vote would look.
Just to stay real, the difference nationwide without California would be 135k in Biden's favor based on the latest numbers.
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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/georgia-secretary-says-state-will-perform-hand-recount-presidential
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/10/joe-biden-in-september-i-will-not-declare-victory-until-the-election-is-independently-certified/
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/10/joe-biden-in-september-i-will-not-declare-victory-until-the-election-is-independently-certified/
What? CNN isn't independent enough for you?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud.html
The New York Times contacted the offices of the top election officials in every state on Monday and Tuesday to ask whether they suspected or had evidence of illegal voting. Officials in 45 states responded directly to The Times. For four of the remaining states, The Times spoke to other statewide officials or found public comments from secretaries of state; none reported any major voting issues.
Statewide officials in Texas did not respond to repeated inquiries. But a spokeswoman for the top elections official in Harris County, the largest county in Texas with a population greater than many states, said that there were only a few minor issues and that “we had a very seamless election.” On Tuesday, the Republican lieutenant governor in Texas, Dan Patrick, announced a $1 million fund to reward reports of voter fraud.
Some states described small problems common to all elections, which they said they were addressing: a few instances of illegal or double voting, some technical glitches and some minor errors in math. Officials in all states are conducting their own review of the voting — a standard component of the certification process.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-virus-outbreak-general-elections-elections-4060823b211ce91959b26f46efb73636
“The practical consequence of Trump’s call to vigilance to prevent fraud was increased scrutiny from both sides, and this increased scrutiny seems to have worked,” Jones said. “Election officials have been more careful, and election procedures have been followed more scrupulously than usual.”
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"major voting issues"
I guess minor voting issues are ok
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud.html
The New York Times contacted the offices of the top election officials in every state on Monday and Tuesday to ask whether they suspected or had evidence of illegal voting. Officials in 45 states responded directly to The Times. For four of the remaining states, The Times spoke to other statewide officials or found public comments from secretaries of state; none reported any major voting issues.
Statewide officials in Texas did not respond to repeated inquiries. But a spokeswoman for the top elections official in Harris County, the largest county in Texas with a population greater than many states, said that there were only a few minor issues and that “we had a very seamless election.” On Tuesday, the Republican lieutenant governor in Texas, Dan Patrick, announced a $1 million fund to reward reports of voter fraud.
Some states described small problems common to all elections, which they said they were addressing: a few instances of illegal or double voting, some technical glitches and some minor errors in math. Officials in all states are conducting their own review of the voting — a standard component of the certification process.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-virus-outbreak-general-elections-elections-4060823b211ce91959b26f46efb73636
“The practical consequence of Trump’s call to vigilance to prevent fraud was increased scrutiny from both sides, and this increased scrutiny seems to have worked,” Jones said. “Election officials have been more careful, and election procedures have been followed more scrupulously than usual.”
The NYT.
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This is an amazing article! It says nothing yet gives the impression that all is fine with the election.
The New York Times contacted the offices of the top election officials in every state on Monday and Tuesday to ask whether they suspected or had evidence of illegal voting. Officials in 45 states responded directly to The Times. For four of the remaining states, The Times spoke to other statewide officials or found public comments from secretaries of state; none reported any major voting issues.
1) The times contacted the offices of every state.
2) Officials in 45 states responded.
3) The times got replies from four that didn't respond initially.
4) None of THOSE FOUR reported any major issues.
But what about the other 45. What did they say? Did they say that there were major issues and you're not saying?
Statewide officials in Texas did not respond to repeated inquiries. But a spokeswoman for the top elections official in Harris County, the largest county in Texas with a population greater than many states, said that there were only a few minor issues and that “we had a very seamless election.” On Tuesday, the Republican lieutenant governor in Texas, Dan Patrick, announced a $1 million fund to reward reports of voter fraud.
Harris county holds Houston. Heavily democrat. Of course officials didn't see any problems. Because they didn't look.
Some states described small problems common to all elections, which they said they were addressing: a few instances of illegal or double voting, some technical glitches and some minor errors in math. Officials in all states are conducting their own review of the voting — a standard component of the certification process.[/i]
Some states had small problems. Did other states have HUGE problems that you're not reporting?
Wow that's some biased reporting right there.
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Yep that article spun so much I’m dizzy.
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The Michigan lawsuit.
https://www.scribd.com/document/483862522/1-11-10-20-Trump-v-Benson-w-d-Mich-Complaint-Final#from_embed
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https://neonnettle.com/news/13219-fec-chair-drops-the-hammer-the-results-are-illegitimate-
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This is an amazing article! It says nothing yet gives the impression that all is fine with the election.1) The times contacted the offices of every state.
2) Officials in 45 states responded.
3) The times got replies from four that didn't respond initially.
4) None of THOSE FOUR reported any major issues.
But what about the other 45. What did they say? Did they say that there were major issues and you're not saying?
Harris county holds Houston. Heavily democrat. Of course officials didn't see any problems. Because they didn't look.Some states had small problems. Did other states have HUGE problems that you're not reporting?
Wow that's some biased reporting right there.
Apparently this passes for investigative journalism these days. Hell, they had to make 45 phone calls!
Next article:
“Amid false allegations of significant Covid deaths in nursing homes, the NYT called Governor Cuomo about the issue. The governor’s office said that except for some minor problems caused by Donald Trump saying the virus is false, NY citizens in nursing homes have never been safer. “
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The Michigan lawsuit.
https://www.scribd.com/document/483862522/1-11-10-20-Trump-v-Benson-w-d-Mich-Complaint-Final#from_embed
And now another lawsuit from Michigan:
https://www.scribd.com/document/483892327/Great-Lakes-Complaint
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https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/12/lawsuit-claims-40000-plus-fraudulent-ballots-pumped-through-detroit-for-joe-biden/
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https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania-election-trump-lawsuits-legal-challenves-id-mail-ballots-commonwealth-court-20201112.html
A Pennsylvania appellate court handed President Donald Trump’s campaign a minor victory Thursday, barring counties from including in their final vote tallies a small pool of mail ballots from people who had failed to provide required ID by a Monday deadline.
In a two-page order, a Commonwealth Court judge struck down a decision by the Wolf administration to give voters more time, post-election, to fulfill the ID requirement.
Though state law only requires first-time voters to show ID at the polls, all voters who applied to vote by mail had to be validated their identification against state records by Nov. 9.
Two days before the election, Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar pushed that date back by three days, citing a court decision earlier this year that allowed late-arriving mail ballots to be counted as long as they had been mailed by Nov. 3 and received within three days of that date.
None of the votes affected by the ruling had yet been included in the state’s official tally — which as of Thursday had Joe Biden at a 54,000-vote advantage over Trump.
But it was unclear just how many ballots statewide would now be thrown out.
The number is likely to be vanishingly small compared to the larger pools of votes Republicans are seeking to have tossed in other ongoing court fights across the state.
For instance, in Philadelphia, the state’s largest county, elections officials on Wednesday issued a list of just over 2,100 mail ballots in danger of being disqualified because the voter had not provided proof of ID with their application — typically done by providing a driver’s license number — or the proof they did provide did not match information on voter rolls.
City officials issued the list in hopes that those voters could provide the necessary information by the Thursday deadline. But under the Commonwealth Court order, all of them will now be excluded.
In shifting the ID deadline, Boockvar, an appointee of Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf, had argued that because a mid-September Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision had created a three-day grace period for late-arriving mail ballots postmarked by Nov. 3 to arrive in county election offices, the ID deadlines should naturally be extended as well.
Leavitt, a Republican, disagreed, noting in her order that had the Supreme Court’s justices wanted extension, they could have said so in their earlier ruling.
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https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/slow-leak-text-messages-cast-doubt-on-georgia-officials-burst-pipe-excuse-for-pause-in-counting/news-story/19176f5113512210517c82debe684392
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/michigan-voters-file-federal-lawsuit-seeking-to-toss-1-2m-ballots
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https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/12/if-all-the-fraud-is-uncovered-trump-will-win/
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https://spectator.org/pennsylvania-voting-doesnt-add-up/
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