PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on April 24, 2020, 01:02:32 PM
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https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2020/04/23/antibody-testing-proves-weve-been-had-n2567516
There is simply no other way to state this.
Nearly everything we’ve been told about models, rates of infection, deaths, and recoveries was inaccurate.
I’m not here to argue that it was malfeasance or ignorance — both are unacceptable. But the one thing that Governor Andrew Cuomo’s stunning announcement made clear on Thursday is that there are some pretty shocking — and what should be — reassuring truths.
Cuomo announced that antibody testing in New York state, which only began four days previous, was already demonstrating that at minimum 13.9% of New Yorkers, had COVID-19 late stage antibodies.
The implication of this is a shockwave to the system.
With a population of 19,540,500 the findings point out that over 2,500,000 New Yorkers had the virus and have recovered. Keep in mind that as of this writing that only 263,000 New Yorkers have currently confirmed cases. Also as of this writing New York has reported 19,543 fatalities.
We’ve been told that the true death rate is 7.4% in New York. We were told there would be hundreds of thousands dead. We were told that this was worse than the flu, which has still recorded more deaths to date in this past flu season—even though the CDC instructed medical personnel to start counting influenza, heart disease, pulmonary, respiratory, drug overdose, and possibly even car crash deaths as COVID-19 deaths.
We were told that we had to upend an economy, go into solitary confinement, and divorce ourselves from normal life because this would rage beyond any previous pandemic. We were told that this virus with 846,000 current confirmed cases was worse than the H1N1 that broke out on Obama’s watch that infected 60,000,000 people. (We were conveniently not told that Obama had authorized $3.7 million U.S. tax dollars to be used at the Wuhan Institute of Virology to utilize corona viruses in bats in 2015 — but that’s yet another deception of omission.)
But none of these “truths” turned out to be so.
The death rate in New York State isn’t 7.4%, it is actually .75%.
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I hope being royally pissed enhances the immune system.
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I hope being royally pissed enhances the immune system.
This is the biggest Cluster F*ck of my lifetime, and we've allowed it to happen, although I don't know what the hell else one can do.
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We have to learn from this. Time to start cleaning house. Time to demand a convention of states.
We should never have any more career politicians, term limits for every one of them.
Then we uncouple from China and let them peddle their shit elsewhere.
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https://townhall.com/columnists/lawrencemeyers/2020/04/24/combating-covid19-with-data-n2567526
When the COVID-19 crisis began, it induced panic because of a lack of information about the disease and how deadly it was. Since then, data has been collected while much of the country has remained in lockdown.
That data now appears to support the case that the worst is past us and it is time to re-open America.
A huge national contingent of people make a vague claim that the lockdown "saves lives" yet never quantify it. So let’s do that.
Using data from the LA County Department of Health and the NY City Health Department, the odds of catching the virus appear extremely low in most major metro areas, and the chances of dying from it are significantly less for those aged 65 and younger.
The population of LA County is 10 million. There are 16,500 confirmed cases, or 0.165%, and 729 deaths, or a 4.4% mortality rate.
Anyone thus has a 0.165% chance of having the virus.
In order for an individual to contract the virus that results in symptoms, they must:
1) Come within 6 feet of someone who 2) Has the virus, and 3) Actually transmits it to you, and 4) It becomes symptomatic
Since we begin with 0.165% even having it, and the probability drops even lower with each step above, the probability of contraction has dropped to an absurdly low level such that keeping the entire population in quarantine seems unnecessary.
When we then factor in the mortality rate of 4.4%, the total population of LA County that has died as a direct result of the virus is 729 -- which is 0.007% of the county population.
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We have to learn from this. Time to start cleaning house. Time to demand a convention of states.
We should never have any more career politicians, term limits for every one of them.
Then we uncouple from China and let them peddle their shit elsewhere.
China holds a metric crap ton of our debt. Yes, no more career politicians.
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There are still far too many sheep who believe the crap they see on tv is the truth.
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This charade has gone on long enough, in fact, too long.
The MSM is trying to ignore stories where antibody testing is showing far more people have had this than the "experts" alleged. Of course, this is diluting the numbers on the deaths from Covid19, which ultimately will show this has a mortality rate equal or less than the flu.
Yes, certain areas were hard hit. Take NYC. First of all, NYC is a sewer within it's self. People piled up and living on top of each other, less than ideal sanitation. Then you have their communist mayor, who on his own, shut down the capacity of the subway and buses, without totally shutting them down. And what did this do? It cause what was left of the capacity to be over crowded, and fueled the spread of the virus.
New Orleans is another rat infested democrat run sewer, and suffered the same fate. Idiot politicians making idiot decisions outside of any real science.
Now we have unemployment numbers approaching the great depression numbers (by percentage). We also have government telling which businesses are "essential" and which businesses have to remain closed. Thousands of small businesses are going under and taking their owners with it. People who have put everything they own into these once thriving enterprises are watching them disappear at the behest of government. The oil markets have collapsed partly in cause by record low demands. Manufacturing is dropping dramatically due to draconian virus measures. And farmers are watching as their herds and flocks are being euthanized and buried in pits because processing can't take the product. Milk farmers are pouring their milk on the ground.
And yet another byproduct of this? Healthcare. Yep, we are seeing hospitals and healthcare providers being shuttered because the government told them their only responsibility was to take care of virus victims, to hell with everything else. And the result? Mass layoffs at hospitals, and many private owned hospitals going broke.
Now let me see, hmmmm, what will happen if enough hospitals and healthcare providers go away overnight....hmmmm, oh, I see! The government will need to step in and take them over! Single payer anyone?
Yet, with all of this, we are watching tyranny play out every day by power obsessed politicians desperate to extend this "crisis" and inflict as much pain on the public as possible.
Folks, welcome to your preview of a Socialist America. Having fun yet? Are you enamored by all of the joys socialism brings you!
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I'm guessing we will see a bailout package for the hospitals somewhere along the way. The language in the bill will include a laundry list of how hospitals are allowed to operate going forward along with what they can charge, etc. We will soon be on the way to nationalized healthcare.
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I'm guessing we will see a bailout package for the hospitals somewhere along the way. The language in the bill will include a laundry list of how hospitals are allowed to operate going forward along with what they can charge, etc. We will soon be on the way to nationalized healthcare.
The unemployment crap bill that Pelosi forced down everyone's throats opens the way for "universal income". The absurd rider put on unemployment opens the door for a national $15/hour minimum wage.
With government deciding on what is essential and non essential opens the way for nationalizing businesses.
Again, I hope everyone likes their preview of socialism. And what everyone is currently seeing is the nice part of it. Just wait till it's fully implemented.
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Never let a crisis go to waste.
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When the dust settles, how many want to bet against me that Fauci and Birx wind up with a very lucrative "book deal". You know, the book deal that offers millions in advance?
This is the new way the communist progressives reward their accomplices. Launder it through a "book deal", and then the other way is to use "gofundme" as another payoff mechanism. Just ask Blasey-Ford.
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Doting letters, donations raise eyebrows over Dr. Fauci’s devotion to Hillary Clintonhttps://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/09/doting-letters-donations-raise-eyebrows-over-dr-faucis-devotion-to-hillary-clinton-906695 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/09/doting-letters-donations-raise-eyebrows-over-dr-faucis-devotion-to-hillary-clinton-906695)
https://www.waynedupree.com/jon-karl-dr-fauci-exchange/ (https://www.waynedupree.com/jon-karl-dr-fauci-exchange/)
https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2020-04-09-whats-up-with-dr-faucis-secret-signals-to-his-fake-news-friends-watch/ (https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2020-04-09-whats-up-with-dr-faucis-secret-signals-to-his-fake-news-friends-watch/)
I ask you, who's side is Dr. Anthony Fauci on?
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Doting letters, donations raise eyebrows over Dr. Fauci’s devotion to Hillary Clintonhttps://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/09/doting-letters-donations-raise-eyebrows-over-dr-faucis-devotion-to-hillary-clinton-906695 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/09/doting-letters-donations-raise-eyebrows-over-dr-faucis-devotion-to-hillary-clinton-906695)
https://www.waynedupree.com/jon-karl-dr-fauci-exchange/ (https://www.waynedupree.com/jon-karl-dr-fauci-exchange/)
https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2020-04-09-whats-up-with-dr-faucis-secret-signals-to-his-fake-news-friends-watch/ (https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2020-04-09-whats-up-with-dr-faucis-secret-signals-to-his-fake-news-friends-watch/)
I ask you, who's side is Dr. Anthony Fauci on?
Fauci is a life long democrat, and he's a bureaucrat. Birx is a RINO. Just in how Fauci has handled this shows where his allegiance goes, and where he's getting his direction from.
Trust me, those two will end up being very handsomely rewarded.
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Doting letters, donations raise eyebrows over Dr. Fauci’s devotion to Hillary Clintonhttps://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/09/doting-letters-donations-raise-eyebrows-over-dr-faucis-devotion-to-hillary-clinton-906695 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/09/doting-letters-donations-raise-eyebrows-over-dr-faucis-devotion-to-hillary-clinton-906695)
https://www.waynedupree.com/jon-karl-dr-fauci-exchange/ (https://www.waynedupree.com/jon-karl-dr-fauci-exchange/)
https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2020-04-09-whats-up-with-dr-faucis-secret-signals-to-his-fake-news-friends-watch/ (https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2020-04-09-whats-up-with-dr-faucis-secret-signals-to-his-fake-news-friends-watch/)
I ask you, who's side is Dr. Anthony Fauci on?
Yeah, Lucifer said it. Fauci is a DEEP STATE, bureaucrat, Democrat operative. Period. It doesn't get much Swampier.
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So, Trump has to listen to his experts, Dr's Fauci and Birx, how hard would it be for the deep staters to concoct a plan to shut down the economy, kill the health care system and whatever else they want to do, knowing that Trump will likely listen to it and act on it?
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I'm not sure what this guy is ranting about and why he thinks 0.75% is a low number.
First of all, nobody has ever said the overall infection fatality rate is 7.4%. That's the fatality rate if you take fatalities divided by people who got tested, and it's not something you had to "be told". It's just a math thing. 21908/288313 = 7.6%.
However, every expert has known, and have known for a very long time, that the majority of people are asymptomatic and will not get tested, and for every tested person there were 5 to 20 untested people who were infected. This is not new information in any way.
Experts estimated infection fatality rate at between 0.5% and 1.5%. New York showed it at 0.75%. It's not at all unexpected and well within the range. If he says: "The implication of this is a shockwave to the system.", then he's been asleep and has no business writing about this.
The "hundreds of thousands dead" is based on the infection fatality rate (the 0.5% to 1.5% number), not the 7.6% number. And that's still the case today. At 0.75% infection fatality rate, if 50% of the population gets the virus, you get 1.23 million deaths.
Nothing has changed. This is just a restatement of current facts with an explanation point next to it.
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https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/the_plan_to_completely_destroy_nevadas_economy.html
Nevada, like no other state, is totally dependent on tourism. If tourism dies, the state will die. The Democrat governor, Steve Sisolak, is doing his best to kill Nevada. Sisolak seems to be driven more by a lack of clear thinking rather than malicious intent.
Sisolak’s plan is to place most state residents under what amounts to house arrest. In order to discourage anyone from leaving their house he is attempting to make leaving home as unpleasant as possible. Parks are closed, or if that is impossible, at least the bathrooms are closed. He is even attempting to close the vast desert that surrounds Las Vegas, blocking off roads and trails. All businesses are required to close except for “essential” businesses like grocery stores. The schools are closed, making it difficult for parents to work because they have to care for their children.
The entire tourist industry has been shut down. The Las Vegas strip, usually crowded with tourists staying in some of the 150,000 hotel rooms, is completely deserted.
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At 0.75% infection fatality rate, if 50% of the population gets the virus, you get 1.23 million deaths.
That rate is probably a tad too high. I think closer to 0.65% for maybe ~1million deaths. Mostly all over the age of 65.
Discussion using a snapshot of the NYC Covid-19 data from their page: https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page (https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page)
At the time I'm posting, the NYC total population fatal rate per 100,000 people is 136.34, or ~0.136%. Using the antibody test that estimated ~21% of NYC have already had the disease, then extrapolating to 100% infected yields a fatality rate of 0.65% for the population. According to that same page, Covid-19 deaths have dropped from a peak of 555 deaths/day on April 10 to just 10 on April 25. The death rate curve rose and then fell rather dramatically over a period of ~40 days. No one had any other treatments other than generic antivirals.
65% of the deaths were aged 75+.
91% of the deaths were aged 65+.
Out of 11,460 deaths, 8213 (72%) had one of these underlying conditions: Diabetes, Lung Disease, Cancer, Immunodeficiency, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Asthma, Kidney Disease, GI/Liver Disease, and Obesity.
Only 65 deaths (49 in age range 45 to 64) had no underlying conditions.
But the whole point of the lock-downs is predicated on the assumption that hospitalization increases survival. I can't glean that from their numbers, except to say in the best scenario that the death rate could have been as much as twice as high. However, I seriously doubt that because that presumes some medical magic which no one claims - the fraction who got bad enough to be put on ventilators had 90% mortality rate[1]. (Though that number doesn't include part of the cohort who were still alive but on ventilators at the conclusion of the study - the final fatality rate is probably somewhere between 25% and >90%) There isn't a lot that can be done to increase a patient's chance of survival once they are admitted to the hospital - practitioners have observed that treatments based around hydroxychloroquine work best when administered early - hospitalization means it is too late.
[1] https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86101 (https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86101)
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I have no idea of the origin of this video, or the authenticity. Draw your own conclusions.
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That rate is probably a tad too high. I think closer to 0.65% for maybe ~1million deaths. Mostly all over the age of 65.
Looking through the mortality data on the CDC website (specifically the WONDER database), it's apparently that most deaths are going to occur for the elderly (mortality from all causes).
A couple of weeks ago, I did the calculations for Massachusetts using data from 2018 and earlier (because that's all that's currently in the WONDER databases). For a typical year, the median age is 39 (or 40, I don't recall which), but almost 90% of the people who pass away in Massachustts are 55 and older (all causes).
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Again, not validating, just putting out here. Make up your own mind.
https://aclearerpicture.net/2020/04/27/video-emergency-room-docs-on-front-line-call-out-faucis-b-s-covid-19-is-no-worse-than-the-flu/
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Again, not validating, just putting out here. Make up your own mind.
https://aclearerpicture.net/2020/04/27/video-emergency-room-docs-on-front-line-call-out-faucis-b-s-covid-19-is-no-worse-than-the-flu/
I noticed the proliferation of dire photos of overwhelmed hospitals and ICU's, supposedly overflowing with dying chinese Wuhan virus victims, that were quickly debunked, coupled with fake photos of crowds on beaches that were taken several years ago.
The blatant lies of the democrats and their press office in the msm has caused even more people to be aware of how liberals lie as a first plan, then lie about lying, and finally attack those who out their lies, while lying about lying about their lies.
typical demcroats. Lie and cheat and steal all the time, while attacking those who know the truth for daring to speak truth to the lies.
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I've seen videos of nurses doing choreographed dance routines in front of totally empty hospital rooms. They have NOTHING TO DO. Many have been sent home and laid off.
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I have no idea of the origin of this video, or the authenticity. Draw your own conclusions.
She sure sounds legit. I'm no doctor but in dealing with lots of doctors over the years I have come to learn that mainstream medicine suffers from a kind of group-think, that is related to liability and certain rules of practice, such as you need to stay within accepted guidelines or you risk your career.
And the "accepted practice" guidelines are often outdated, based on past paradigms that haven't yet caught up with the latest discoveries.
Doctors often don't practice with agility, changing things because of their own anecdotal experiences or hunches, and that is exactly what makes medicine an "art" but bureaucracy and liability have squelched this and made doctors tend to default to "accepted convention".
This covid19 ventilator thing is the perfect example of this: It's not that these doctors and nurses are deliberately mistreating the patients, it's that at first, we all thought covid19 was another case of ARDS. Maybe normally medicine would rapidly catch up in a crisis such as this, and new findings would inform and improve treatment rapidly, but we have a unique situation here where it appears politics and media are heavily influencing what's going on. Information such as this coming out is being scrubbed from the internet, and promising treatments being rejected simply because Trump mentioned them, due to psychotic TDS.
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if all you have is a hammer...
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I've seen videos of nurses doing choreographed dance routines in front of totally empty hospital rooms. They have NOTHING TO DO. Many have been sent home and laid off.
Pornhub is not to be confused with the news.
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Pornhub is not to be confused with the news.
I made the mistake of clicking on pornhub the other day. I will NOT be going back.
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Pornhub is not to be confused with the news.
Unfortunately, or actually fortunately looking at most of them, they were fully clothed! ;D
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This charade has gone on long enough, in fact, too long.
The MSM is trying to ignore stories where antibody testing is showing far more people have had this than the "experts" alleged. Of course, this is diluting the numbers on the deaths from Covid19, which ultimately will show this has a mortality rate equal or less than the flu.
Yes, certain areas were hard hit. Take NYC. First of all, NYC is a sewer within it's self. People piled up and living on top of each other, less than ideal sanitation. Then you have their communist mayor, who on his own, shut down the capacity of the subway and buses, without totally shutting them down. And what did this do? It cause what was left of the capacity to be over crowded, and fueled the spread of the virus.
New Orleans is another rat infested democrat run sewer, and suffered the same fate. Idiot politicians making idiot decisions outside of any real science.
Now we have unemployment numbers approaching the great depression numbers (by percentage). We also have government telling which businesses are "essential" and which businesses have to remain closed. Thousands of small businesses are going under and taking their owners with it. People who have put everything they own into these once thriving enterprises are watching them disappear at the behest of government. The oil markets have collapsed partly in cause by record low demands. Manufacturing is dropping dramatically due to draconian virus measures. And farmers are watching as their herds and flocks are being euthanized and buried in pits because processing can't take the product. Milk farmers are pouring their milk on the ground.
And yet another byproduct of this? Healthcare. Yep, we are seeing hospitals and healthcare providers being shuttered because the government told them their only responsibility was to take care of virus victims, to hell with everything else. And the result? Mass layoffs at hospitals, and many private owned hospitals going broke.
Now let me see, hmmmm, what will happen if enough hospitals and healthcare providers go away overnight....hmmmm, oh, I see! The government will need to step in and take them over! Single payer anyone?
Yet, with all of this, we are watching tyranny play out every day by power obsessed politicians desperate to extend this "crisis" and inflict as much pain on the public as possible.
Folks, welcome to your preview of a Socialist America. Having fun yet? Are you enamored by all of the joys socialism brings you!
1). 30,000 Mayo Clinic employees laid off yesterday.
2). On Monday the Amtrak Hiawatha line between downtown Milwaukee and downtown Chicago stopped service to to C-19.
So instead they are packing riders on Amtrak BUSSES between the two cities.
https://media.amtrak.com/2020/04/amtrak-thruway-buses-temporarily-replace-hiawatha-trains-between-milwaukee-and-chicago/
3). Reversing any science of quarantines, governors are releasing prisoners from prisons that have a covid infection issue, and are releasing them into the community.
If this twilight zone was any more fucked up, the next thing you know the Packers will draft a quarterback in the first round.
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If this twilight zone was any more fucked up, the next thing you know the Packers will draft a quarterback in the first round.
Rodgers is way overpaid and getting pretty long in the tooth. This past season he was nowhere near the quarterback he was the season before. When he's healthy he's pretty good, but the Packers really need a good rookie to back him up.
I do like his taste in women, though.
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Rodgers is way overpaid and getting pretty long in the tooth. This past season he was nowhere near the quarterback he was the season before. When he's healthy he's pretty good, but the Packers really need a good rookie to back him up.
I do like his taste in women, though.
Agreed completely. But don’t tell your average Packer fan that. They still wear his jersey to Sunday mass during football season. People can’t seem to see how much of a dick he is either.
They were also in complete denial when Favre kept threatening to retire, then allowed himself to get traded to the Vikings.
The Packers draft moves are the best thing that came out of the draft for a Bears fan.
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Agreed completely. But don’t tell your average Packer fan that. They still wear his jersey to Sunday mass during football season. People can’t seem to see how much of a dick he is either. [/b]
I've always thought that too. Also, think his girlfriend is the female equivalent of a "Beard".
They were also in complete denial when Favre kept threatening to retire, then allowed himself to get traded to the Vikings.
The Packers draft moves are the best thing that came out of the draft for a Bears fan.
Never got the whole Packer, Cheesehead, love fest thing.
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Remember Rodgers is from California. That should speak for itself. My wife's boss insures him. She is the one that makes changes, handles his account. She has some dirt on him.
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Never got the whole Packer, Cheesehead, love fest thing.
Blasphemer!
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I've always thought that too. Also, think his girlfriend is the female equivalent of a "Beard".
Never got the whole Packer, Cheesehead, love fest thing.
Yes on the Beard. I’ve always thought that.
And the love fest is gross. I’ll die here in Wisconsin - I love this state, but this love fest is gross. I’m a Bears fan and always will be, despite how shitty they are.
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Remember Rodgers is from California. That should speak for itself. My wife's boss insures him. She is the one that makes changes, handles his account. She has some dirt on him.
Does your wife like Bourbon? A bottle is coming her way for any dirt! (Just kidding former Federal LEO.)
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Does your wife like Bourbon? A bottle is coming her way for any dirt! (Just kidding former Federal LEO.)
One of my wives likes Bourbon. but I can't remember which one. I like Bourbon.
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https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/04/28/our-dress-rehearsal-for-a-police-state/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=our-dress-rehearsal-for-a-police-state
All my life, I have dismissed paranoids on the right (“America is headed to communism”) and the left (“It can happen here”–referring to fascism). It’s not that I’ve ever believed liberty was guaranteed. Being familiar with history and a pessimist regarding the human condition, I never believed that.
But the ease with which police state tactics have been employed and the equal ease with which most Americans have accepted them have been breathtaking.
People will argue that a temporary police state has been justified because of the allegedly unique threat to life posed by the new coronavirus. I do not believe the data will bear that out. Regardless, let us at least agree that we are closer to a police state than ever in American history.
“Police state” does not mean totalitarian state. America is not a totalitarian state; we still have many freedoms. In a totalitarian state, this article could not be legally published, and if it were illegally published, I would be imprisoned and/or executed. But we are presently living with all four of the key hallmarks of a police state: