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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Rush on Today at 05:23:31 AM »
  Russia has always used mercenaries, as do most militaries.  There's nothing new here.

  Ukraine is running low on troops.  This is why Dictator Zelenskyy wants to become (one of the reasons) a member of NATO so he can get a pipeline of troops to fight his war, as well as more money and equipment.

  No one sees just how ridiculous this clusterfuck has become.   We watch Israel get attacked and the FJB Regime keeps demanding Israel ceasefire and enter into peace talks (with a terrorist group no less) yet that same regime has impeded peace talks and negotiations on the Ukraine war.

  The FJB regime has held back munitions from Israel while demanding more money that has almost unaccountability for a country being run by a dictator.

  Anyone with just a few functioning brain cells can see what the Ukraine war is really about, and why the people behind it want it to continue indefinitely.

  The final irony in all of this:  Conservatives have always been painted as "war mongers" while the leftist have cried "If you elect that republican he'll get us into a war!", yet now look at where we are.    Unreal.

Same with the first amendment. It used to be the liberals that were for free speech, now they are the most pro-censorship bunch we’ve ever had. 

Bill Maher openly admits this now.  He’s a lifelong Democrat and has become sick of the far left takeover.  He was on the View recently speaking out against “woke”.  He regularly bemoans how the educational system has been taken over by Marxists, that the kids haven’t been taught history, that they don’t know we’ve tried communism and it hasn’t worked, ever, not even once.  Capitalism has its problems but there is no better system and it is why this country is so prosperous.

In fact, I agree with Maher on nearly everything with two exceptions:  He has bad TDS, so bad he will vote for Biden, in which case he is voting for all the bad policies he complains about, and he buys into the climate change hoax.

In the first case he seems to have drunk the Kool-Aid that Trump is a fascist dictator and in the second he simply hasn’t researched climate change beyond CNN.  These two things indicate he gets all his news from the leftist mainstream.  When he talked with Roseanne Barr it was revealed he had never even heard of the WEF or Klaus Schwab.  But for existing in this lefty bubble kudos to him for being as anti-woke as he is.

Excuse me for veering off the subject but free speech and all, on this forum.
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Lucifer on Today at 05:05:32 AM »
Assuming we can believe what’s posted on Chinese social media; in this case I think we can.

Russia is running low on men, if hiring myriad of mercenaries is any indication. He paints a clear picture of the disadvantages (language barriers, no “brothers in arms” cohesion). 

But these are not necessarily indicative of Russia losing the war. China has millions it can send to help and Russia has closed the borders to stop its own young men from fleeing.

Someone not me who has been in actual combat tell me if this is true:  Drones are a game changer.  I’ve seen camera footage from drones as they detect men or tanks, target and kill.  Death from a soulless robot from above.   Small and agile, unlike manned aircraft, harder to target with anti-aircraft weapons before it drops its load or suicides into you?  And cheap as hell compared to other means of aerial attack.  The technology will probably rapidly get better to make them even more deadly.

Russia isn’t going to be defeated. Nor will she just stop. As long as the U.S. pumps resources into Ukraine this will go on indefinitely.  Yes Russia has a manpower problem but so does Ukraine. Both sides will send men to die until none are left, then they’ll keep paying ever more mercenaries or worse, get their allies directly involved: Russia-China vs Ukraine-USA/NATO. Great.

We need Trump in office to tell these two to knock it off.

  Russia has always used mercenaries, as do most militaries.  There's nothing new here.

  Ukraine is running low on troops.  This is why Dictator Zelenskyy wants to become (one of the reasons) a member of NATO so he can get a pipeline of troops to fight his war, as well as more money and equipment.

  No one sees just how ridiculous this clusterfuck has become.   We watch Israel get attacked and the FJB Regime keeps demanding Israel ceasefire and enter into peace talks (with a terrorist group no less) yet that same regime has impeded peace talks and negotiations on the Ukraine war.

  The FJB regime has held back munitions from Israel while demanding more money that has almost unaccountability for a country being run by a dictator.

  Anyone with just a few functioning brain cells can see what the Ukraine war is really about, and why the people behind it want it to continue indefinitely.

  The final irony in all of this:  Conservatives have always been painted as "war mongers" while the leftist have cried "If you elect that republican he'll get us into a war!", yet now look at where we are.    Unreal.
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Spin Zone / Re: Hell Gained A Deserving Resident This Weekend
« Last post by Lucifer on Today at 04:50:50 AM »
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Rush on Today at 04:49:05 AM »
Mercenary fighting for the Russians has a different view:


Assuming we can believe what’s posted on Chinese social media; in this case I think we can.

Russia is running low on men, if hiring myriad of mercenaries is any indication. He paints a clear picture of the disadvantages (language barriers, no “brothers in arms” cohesion). 

But these are not necessarily indicative of Russia losing the war. China has millions it can send to help and Russia has closed the borders to stop its own young men from fleeing.

Someone not me who has been in actual combat tell me if this is true:  Drones are a game changer.  I’ve seen camera footage from drones as they detect men or tanks, target and kill.  Death from a soulless robot from above.   Small and agile, unlike manned aircraft, harder to target with anti-aircraft weapons before it drops its load or suicides into you?  And cheap as hell compared to other means of aerial attack.  The technology will probably rapidly get better to make them even more deadly.

Russia isn’t going to be defeated. Nor will she just stop. As long as the U.S. pumps resources into Ukraine this will go on indefinitely.  Yes Russia has a manpower problem but so does Ukraine. Both sides will send men to die until none are left, then they’ll keep paying ever more mercenaries or worse, get their allies directly involved: Russia-China vs Ukraine-USA/NATO. Great.

We need Trump in office to tell these two to knock it off.
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Jim Logajan on May 23, 2024, 08:12:21 PM »
What troops?  The Ukrainian rag tag militia?
Mercenary fighting for the Russians has a different view:
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Lucifer on May 23, 2024, 07:00:31 PM »
oh good grief.

f'n brilliant military strategy - preventing troops from firing for fear of provoking...

Did people learn nothing from Vietnam and Korea?

What troops?  The Ukrainian rag tag militia?

Once again you missed the point Bob.   If the Ukrainians want to wage a war with Russia, be my guest.  But what in the fuck are we (US) getting involved, and more over, why in the fuck are we funding one of the most corrupt governments in the world while they wage this war?

Oh, wait a minute “If we don’t defeat Russia there, we’ll have to fight them here!”   Or here’s another one “We want to save Ukraines democracy!”   HA!

We didn’t learn a fucking thing from VN, Afghanistan, Iraq and countless other “police actions” around the world.

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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by President-Elect Bob Noel on May 23, 2024, 06:28:23 PM »

And now the dictator wants to fire US produced missiles into Russia.   This of course would escalate and more than likely kick off WW3.

oh good grief.

f'n brilliant military strategy - preventing troops from firing for fear of provoking...

Did people learn nothing from Vietnam and Korea?

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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Rush on May 23, 2024, 05:51:27 PM »
But still, a complete Russian victory over there will be far worse than us supporting Ukraine.

Why?
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Lucifer on May 23, 2024, 05:32:35 PM »
At least that is what Putin wants us to think, but the last thing he wants is all out war with the West.  And the cowardly west is buying it.

  Of course he doesn't want war with NATO or the west.  But we have our SoS Blinken trying to push him into escalating.  Plus the regime in Washington has tried to stop or delay peace talks.   War is big business.


The jury is still out on that.  The delay by the Republican party has greatly reduced the chances of us getting anything out of it.
But still, a complete Russian victory over there will be far worse than us supporting Ukraine.

  The Ukrainians will never "win" no matter how much money we pump into it.   Ukraine is another VN and Afghanistan rolled into one.
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Little Joe on May 23, 2024, 04:52:44 PM »
  Your dictator buddy wants longer range missiles to hit Russian assets within Russia, not just Russian held territories.. This will lead to escalation.
At least that is what Putin wants us to think, but the last thing he wants is all out war with the West.  And the cowardly west is buying it.

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  You may want to ask yourself what we as the US has gotten out of dumping $200 billion into this shithole.
The jury is still out on that.  The delay by the Republican party has greatly reduced the chances of us getting anything out of it.
But still, a complete Russian victory over there will be far worse than us supporting Ukraine.
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