Post by: nddons on August 09, 2016, 10:03:49 PM
Post by: acrogimp on August 09, 2016, 10:15:24 PM
Is he being effective at opposing destructive policy?
Is he communicating and representing conservative values?
Is he reducing spending or taxation?
Seems to basically be Boehner 2.0 but with less tears and not quite as tan, which is terribly disappointing since he 'was' previously regarded as an intelligent and true conservative.
Can he be rehabilitated?
'Gimp
Post by: bflynn on August 10, 2016, 05:49:56 AM
In a nail biter primary, Paul Ryan beat his challenger 84% to16%.
At 84/16, why use the phrase "squeaks past"?
Post by: asechrest on August 10, 2016, 06:09:22 AM
At 84/16, why use the phrase "squeaks past"?
Plant tongue firmly in cheek and read it again. :)
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on August 10, 2016, 06:10:21 AM
At 84/16, why use the phrase "squeaks past"?
I think he was being sarcastic.
Post by: Little Joe on August 10, 2016, 08:03:32 AM
In a nail biter primary, Paul Ryan beat his challenger 84% to16%.See what a Trump endorsement can do for the downstream candidates!
Post by: Lucifer on August 10, 2016, 12:43:28 PM
Post by: nddons on August 10, 2016, 12:54:05 PM
But how is Ryan actually doing as Speaker Stan?Ryan is not perfect by any means. However, he was also left with a steaming pile of shit from Boehner that he had to dispense with.
Is he being effective at opposing destructive policy?
Is he communicating and representing conservative values?
Is he reducing spending or taxation?
Seems to basically be Boehner 2.0 but with less tears and not quite as tan, which is terribly disappointing since he 'was' previously regarded as an intelligent and true conservative.
Can he be rehabilitated?
'Gimp
Remember, he's only been Speaker for nine months. I think he's a man of character, and believe that's what carried the day in his district. (I'm about a mile from the northern edge of his Congressional district, so I didn't get a chance to vote for him, but I would have if he were my Representative.
I'm not speaking about you, Gimp, but I find it interesting that the harshest critics of Ryan are demanding conservative purity, but are strongly backing the most liberal person to ever to win the GOP nomination. See Sarah Palin, Ann "Skelator" Coulter, lucifer, et al.
Post by: nddons on August 10, 2016, 12:55:57 PM
At 84/16, why use the phrase "squeaks past"?Forget your humor pill today?
Post by: nddons on August 10, 2016, 12:58:27 PM
See what a Trump endorsement can do for the downstream candidates!Well played, sir!
Post by: acrogimp on August 10, 2016, 01:13:15 PM
Ryan is not perfect by any means. However, he was also left with a steaming pile of shit from Boehner that he had to dispense with.Understood.
Remember, he's only been Speaker for nine months. I think he's a man of character, and believe that's what carried the day in his district. (I'm about a mile from the northern edge of his Congressional district, so I didn't get a chance to vote for him, but I would have if he were my Representative.
I'm not speaking about you, Gimp, but I find it interesting that the harshest critics of Ryan are demanding conservative purity, but are strongly backing the most liberal person to ever to win the GOP nomination. See Sarah Palin, Ann "Skelator" Coulter, lucifer, et al.
Speaking for myself, given that we do have a liberal (for the GOP) candidate (much like the last 2 times IMO) I want the Speaker and the Senate Minority/Majority leader for the GOP to be staunchly conservative to help offset that. I had high hopes for Ryan but have been deeply disappointed in his leadership to-date - it is no more accurate to pin the blame this far out on Boehner than it is for Obama to blame Bush IMO, but I get what you are saying.
However, I think Trump's economic policy/tax speech, and his list of potential SCOTUS nominees cover the vast majority of my small 'c' conservative objectives for FedGov, add in the moratorium on new reg's and withdrawal of previous Executive Orders and the platform is something I can get behind, even if the personality delivering it is problematic.
'Gimp
Post by: Lucifer on August 10, 2016, 03:06:20 PM
Ryan is not perfect by any means. However, he was also left with a steaming pile of shit from Boehner that he had to dispense with.
Remember, he's only been Speaker for nine months. I think he's a man of character, and believe that's what carried the day in his district. (I'm about a mile from the northern edge of his Congressional district, so I didn't get a chance to vote for him, but I would have if he were my Representative.
I'm not speaking about you, Gimp, but I find it interesting that the harshest critics of Ryan are demanding conservative purity, but are strongly backing the most liberal person to ever to win the GOP nomination. See Sarah Palin, Ann "Skelator" Coulter, lucifer, et al.
Ryan is a phony, period. He's just barely above Boehner (which isn't saying much).
My displeasure with Ryan is in how he caves to Obama at every turn. Ryan is too busy trying to appease his donor constituents rather than do what is right for the country.
But it appears all you need from him is to know he's from Wisconsin and he uses "freedom" and "liberty" in his speeches.
Post by: Gary on August 10, 2016, 04:02:56 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on August 10, 2016, 05:15:43 PM
Interesting... Ryan strikes me as a pretty level-headed intelligent guy. Has a horrendous job trying to corral all the Republican House members to actually govern the country.
Republican who kowtows to Democrats in the minority = level-headed intelligent guy
Republican who tells Democrats in the minority to pound sand = raving Right Wing lunatic
Post by: nddons on August 10, 2016, 08:27:49 PM
Ryan is a phony, period. He's just barely above Boehner (which isn't saying much).Big Breitbart fan I see.
My displeasure with Ryan is in how he caves to Obama at every turn. Ryan is too busy trying to appease his donor constituents rather than do what is right for the country.
But it appears all you need from him is to know he's from Wisconsin and he uses "freedom" and "liberty" in his speeches.
Post by: JeffDG on August 10, 2016, 08:48:35 PM
BigMore accurate.BreitTriumpbart fan I see.
Post by: nddons on August 10, 2016, 09:00:01 PM
More accurate.All hat, no cattle. Ryan should be removed from Speaker, but a liberal democrat should become the republican president. Very consistent conservative principles I see.
Post by: Lucifer on August 11, 2016, 04:49:24 AM
Big Breitbart fan I see.
Unlike you I don't stick my head in the sand and pretend it's not happening. Anyone who follows this stuff can easily see what a major disappointment Ryan has been.
But I guess you are all for keeping up Obama's agenda since Ryan gives him everything he wants.
Post by: Little Joe on August 11, 2016, 05:22:09 AM
Trump was my 16th choice out of 17 in the GOP primary, but I will vote for him in the general election because I think he is better than Hillary.
But I also like Ryan, in spite of some of the compromises he has made. At least he has made some progress and hasn't looked like a complete idiot in the process.
Post by: Lucifer on August 11, 2016, 05:36:04 AM
Trump was my 16th choice out of 17 in the GOP primary, but I will vote for him in the general election because I think he is better than Hillary.
I didn't vote for Trump in the primary but stated no matter who wins on the republican side I will support for the same reason. To let Hillary in the WH would be a disaster, period.
But I also like Ryan, in spite of some of the compromises he has made. At least he has made some progress and hasn't looked like a complete idiot in the process.
He's come very close on the idiot part by bowing down to Obama's demands.
We needed a congress to do their job and reign in the Executive Branch and Ryan has failed. He simply doesn't want to offend the donor class and prefers political apathy over political will.
Post by: JeffDG on August 11, 2016, 05:42:53 AM
I didn't vote for Trump in the primaryYou're full of shit. You've been full-on Trumpkin since before the primaries.
Post by: nddons on August 11, 2016, 01:28:01 PM
You're full of shit. You've been full-on Trumpkin since before the primaries.Since he has turned his ear-buds up to eleven and refuses to hear what you have to say, I thought I would quote what you said.
Post by: JeffDG on August 11, 2016, 01:53:19 PM
Since he has turned his ear-buds up to eleven and refuses to hear what you have to say, I thought I would quote what you said.You shouldn't invade his "safe-space" like that. Trumpalumpas are like little coddled college kindergartners when exposed to people who don't think the same way they do.
Post by: Lucifer on August 11, 2016, 04:19:19 PM
Since he has turned his ear-buds up to eleven and refuses to hear what you have to say, I thought I would quote what you said.
Funny, when I voted I didn't see or have a 400 pound behemoth in the booth with me watching who I had voted for..........so that alleviates Jeff. ;D
As far as having the moron on ignore, he is one here who adds nothing to the discussion and has shown he is intellectually dishonest as well as morally dishonest. Nothing he says matters, period.
Post by: JeffDG on August 11, 2016, 04:37:16 PM
As far as having the moron on ignore, he is one here who adds nothing to the discussion and has shown he is intellectually dishonest as well as morally dishonest. Nothing he says matters, period.Master of projection.
Post by: Dav8or on August 11, 2016, 08:17:00 PM
However, I think Trump's economic policy/tax speech, and his list of potential SCOTUS nominees cover the vast majority of my small 'c' conservative objectives for FedGov, add in the moratorium on new reg's and withdrawal of previous Executive Orders and the platform is something I can get behind, even if the personality delivering it is problematic.
'Gimp
You do realize that all those things are just proposals, subject to change in the future, right?
If you think Ryan is disappointing...
Post by: Number7 on August 13, 2016, 05:27:41 PM
I can't seem to find a clique here.
Trump was my 16th choice out of 17 in the GOP primary, but I will vote for him in the general election because I think he is better than Hillary.
That's my exact dilemma.
Once Scott Walker dropped out, I was forced to adopt a new favorite and chose Ted Cruz. When he imploded I stopped caring about the GOP ticket until I noticed the VP pick, which is a guy I respect.
I am not certain that is enough to bring me into the circle of trust.
I wish it was.
Post by: nddons on August 13, 2016, 05:42:31 PM
That's my exact dilemma.
Once Scott Walker dropped out, I was forced to adopt a new favorite and chose Ted Cruz. When he imploded I stopped caring about the GOP ticket until I noticed the VP pick, which is a guy I respect.
I am not certain that is enough to bring me into the circle of trust.
I wish it was.
Agreed. Every time I'm close to stepping foot on the Trump Train, he hits the throttle and says something so stupid that I truly think he's trying to lose this race on purpose.
Post by: acrogimp on August 13, 2016, 05:55:45 PM
You do realize that all those things are just proposals, subject to change in the future, right?Absolutely understand that and compared to the proposals from the only other actual candidate with any shot at winning, it is an easy choice for me, especially since the other candidate has a 40 year history of lawlessness, obfuscation, pathological lying, etc.
If you think Ryan is disappointing...
As I have said, it is about policy and platform for me more than personality now that we are past the primaries - winning is what matters now, and then we can find out if Trump is the devil incarnate (what the dems and their unmasked cohorts in the media say), some kind of democrat manchurian candidate (like the butthurt neverTrump jihadi's say) or just a guy.
'Gimp
Post by: nddons on August 13, 2016, 06:55:47 PM
Absolutely understand that and compared to the proposals from the only other actual candidate with any shot at winning, it is an easy choice for me, especially since the other candidate has a 40 year history of lawlessness, obfuscation, pathological lying, etc.
As I have said, it is about policy and platform for me more than personality now that we are past the primaries - winning is what matters now, and then we can find out if Trump is the devil incarnate (what the dems and their unmasked cohorts in the media say), some kind of democrat manchurian candidate (like the butthurt neverTrump jihadi's say) or just a guy.
'Gimp
Gimp, your butt hurt comment is off base and irritating. I'm sympathetic to the Never Trump folks, but I've never declared myself among them. I'm over that Cruz didn't win. But where the butt hurt resides is the fact that voters have selected the single nominee who has a very good chance of losing to the most corrupt candidate ever to run for the presidency, and he doesn't even seem to be trying to win.
In Wisconsin Hillary is running an ad with Trump on Letterman, with letterman asking him where his line of clothing is made. When Letterman shows the shirts being made in Bangladesh, Trump says "Good. We're employing people in Bangladesh." When it is shown that the ties were made in China, Trump simply gives a shoulder shrug that basically says "ah, you caugh me."
Where are his ads contesting that? They are non-existent. Someone who wants to win would do an ad explaining that the high corporate tax rate, high union pay scales, and crushing regulations have moved nearly the entire US textile business offshore.
Word is tha since the conventions Clinton has spent tens of millions attacking Trump, and the Trump campaign has spent zero attacking Hillary. Instead, Trump is sending tweets attacking Republicans for not supporting him.
It's a fucking trainwreck, and no one is holding him accountable for his self-immolation.
Edit: here's the ad. Enjoy the discomfort. https://youtu.be/6dtk1eX7UBE
Post by: acrogimp on August 13, 2016, 07:20:38 PM
Gimp, your butt hurt comment is off base and irritating. I'm sympathetic to the Never Trump folks, but I've never declared myself among them. I'm over that Cruz didn't win. But where the butt hurt resides is the fact that voters have selected the single nominee who has a very good chance of losing to the most corrupt candidate ever to run for the presidency, and he doesn't even seem to be trying to win.I was not talking to or about you Stan - but I also have exactly zero doubt that Trump is doing better against Hillary than any of the other would-be candidates would have been doing since they would be suffering the same withering fire that Trump is AND they would be doing nothing to counter it - history is crystal clear on that.
Cruz would not be any closer, Rubio would not be closer, make no doubt - the difference is that Trump fights back which is why I feel his candidacy is a blessing if all it does is expose the media and the establishment - and it is also why he will show well and possibly win.
I feel (word chosen specifically) the Trump may be the only candidate who has a chance of beating Hillary who is herself an unconventional candidate insofar as how she has been/will be treated by the media who will essentially be protected by her gender.
You will note, I am not trying to explain what Trump says since I recognize no amount of explanation is going to serve to help anyone who is on the fence or against Trump - the Dems and the media have a strong playbook that is growing ever more effective as people succumb to the coordinated media/pop culture/news/education cartel.
'Gimp
Post by: nddons on August 13, 2016, 07:32:24 PM
I was not talking to or about you Stan - but I also have exactly zero doubt that Trump is doing better against Hillary than any of the other would-be candidates would have been doing since they would be suffering the same withering fire that Trump is AND they would be doing nothing to counter it - history is crystal clear on that.
Cruz would not be any closer, Rubio would not be closer, make no doubt - the difference is that Trump fights back which is why I feel his candidacy is a blessing if all it does is expose the media and the establishment - and it is also why he will show well and possibly win.
I feel (word chosen specifically) the Trump may be the only candidate who has a chance of beating Hillary who is herself an unconventional candidate insofar as how she has been/will be treated by the media who will essentially be protected by her gender.
You will note, I am not trying to explain what Trump says since I recognize no amount of explanation is going to serve to help anyone who is on the fence or against Trump - the Dems and the media have a strong playbook that is growing ever more effective as people succumb to the coordinated media/pop culture/news/education cartel.
'Gimp
I hope you're right. I just wish he would show me proof that he's actually trying to win, because I haven't seen any evidence of that.