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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on December 16, 2017, 07:49:34 AM

Title: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: Lucifer on December 16, 2017, 07:49:34 AM
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12/15/breaking-trump-to-remove-climate-change-as-a-national-security-threat/

Unwinding the idiocy of the Obama Administration.

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This is encouraging news:

The Trump administration will reverse course from previous Obama administration policy, eliminating climate change from a list of national security threats. The National Security Strategy to be released on Monday will emphasize the importance of balancing energy security with economic development and environmental protection, according to a source who has seen the document and shared excerpts of a late draft.
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: LevelWing on December 16, 2017, 09:30:28 AM
I enjoyed the cartoon at the beginning of the article.

Even if one accepts that man made climate change is real and is a significant problem, I don't see how declaring it a national security threat will do anything except take away money and resources from dealing with actual national security threats.

I'm actually interested in what Steingar has to say on this. I'd like to know what steps he thinks we should take by declaring it a national security threat.
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: Anthony on December 16, 2017, 09:35:57 AM
The emphasis should be on maximizing our domestic fossil fuel resources.  Also, protecting our electrical grid which I think is very exposed.  If terrorists want to create severe hardship, and perhaps societal breakdown, just take down the power grid in some large metro areas.  Wait a few weeks, then watch the show.  We can not exist as a society without reliable, electrical power.

Man Made Climate Change is the biggest hoax of our age.  However, millennials have been brainwashed in school, and by the media to believe it is real, and an actual theat. 
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: Rush on December 16, 2017, 12:41:03 PM
The emphasis should be on maximizing our domestic fossil fuel resources.  Also, protecting our electrical grid which I think is very exposed.  If terrorists want to create severe hardship, and perhaps societal breakdown, just take down the power grid in some large metro areas.  Wait a few weeks, then watch the show.  We can not exist as a society without reliable, electrical power.

Man Made Climate Change is the biggest hoax of our age.  However, millennials have been brainwashed in school, and by the media to believe it is real, and an actual theat.

THIS THIS THIS^^^^^^^  Oh Dear Lord Jesus God and I am not blaspheming, I am on my knees praying we be ransomed from this lunacy.

It is exactly the opposite.  Destroying our energy industry, crippling our economy, and hobbling our utilities in the name of climate change is possibly the SINGLE GREATEST threat to our security, even above not vetting immigrants and that is saying a lot.  Without access to fossil fuels and without efficient functional and protected electric grid, and without robust manufacturing we expose ourselves to great risk of failure to mount a defense quickly in the event of surprise attacks from whatever sources or to recover from natural disasters for that matter.

What people do not seem to grasp is that excess capacity is needed and energy limiting policies eliminate that cushion.  When you force people to exist on the least amount of whatever (water, wattage, steel, etc.) then that is the supply your production infrastructure is set at, and you have no where to reduce should you suddenly need more for whatever reason.  This minimalist craze is very dangerous.

But the lie that we have a limited supply of fossil fuels keeps people in terror that high usage will run us out.  The truth is fossil fuels ARE limited, but not nearly so much as we've been told. There is far more available than you think, and it can be gotten with improved technologies being constantly innovated. There will come a time we will need to face needing other energy sources but the worst possible approach is to constrain industry; it is industry and profit motive that will bring the answers. In fact, they already have (nuclear) but that too is stifled and constrained by environmentalist/government wacko interference.  If not for them we would today have FOUR TIMES the production of clean, safe nuclear energy than we do.

One more case where Trump is fixing something disastrous Obama and the progressive left were doing and why Trump's election might just end up being our salvation, no matter what you think of the man personally.
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: Gary on December 16, 2017, 02:57:27 PM
I enjoyed the cartoon at the beginning of the article.

Was a good cartoon!

 
if one accepts that man made climate change is real and is a significant problem, I don't see how declaring it a national security threat will do anything except take away money and resources from dealing with actual national security threats.

Even if one does not accept man made climate change is real, there is no doubt our climate is changing, always has and always will.  I see nothing in the Presidential Memorandum that identifies man-made climate change as a national security threat.   

Not at all unreasonable for climate change in general to be considered as part of our national security plan - which is exactly what the Presidential Memo does.  Say sea levels were to rise 1 foot through a mechanism entirely unrelated to a man-made activity - seems reasonable the we should consider what that would do to the country, economy, population, and the effect on our national security.
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: Gary on December 16, 2017, 03:11:59 PM
The emphasis should be on maximizing our domestic fossil fuel resources.

Do we have a shortage?  Haven't noticed any lines at the gas stations or industries closing due to lack of energy.

Also, protecting our electrical grid which I think is very exposed.  If terrorists want to create severe hardship, and perhaps societal breakdown, just take down the power grid in some large metro areas.  Wait a few weeks, then watch the show.  We can not exist as a society without reliable, electrical power.

How secure do you want it to be and what price increase per kilowatt-hr are you willing to accept?  No argument that our electrical system was not designed to be perfectly secure, all comes down to a cost/benefit equation.  Personally believe that our society is more resistant to the loss of electrical power than you.  Both Katrina and Harvey resulted in pretty widespread power outages, yet, society didn't collapse. 

Man Made Climate Change is the biggest hoax of our age.  However, millennials have been brainwashed in school, and by the media to believe it is real, and an actual theat.

LOL!  Others may differ in that opinion!  ;)
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: Gary on December 16, 2017, 03:29:40 PM
Since this fits in with the "climate change", found this to be interesting:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/365268-hhs-pushes-back-on-report-is-blocking-cdc-from-using-words-like

Would like to hear how this all shakes out.  If they truly have a list of "do not use" words, that's ugly.
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: Anthony on December 16, 2017, 04:54:11 PM
Do we have a shortage?  Haven't noticed any lines at the gas stations or industries closing due to lack of energy.

No, but we can be a net exporter of energy, and help our Balance of Trade. 

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How secure do you want it to be and what price increase per kilowatt-hr are you willing to accept?  No argument that our electrical system was not designed to be perfectly secure, all comes down to a cost/benefit equation.  Personally believe that our society is more resistant to the loss of electrical power than you.  Both Katrina and Harvey resulted in pretty widespread power outages, yet, society didn't collapse. 

Good questions.  I don't have a quick answer, as I don't know what they are spending now, nor what security efforts entail.  I see a lot of unattended substations, etc.  Katrina got pretty dicey.  I am talking about months without power.  I know it would get ugly.  How ugly?  Who knows?
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: Rush on December 16, 2017, 07:20:11 PM
Society didn't collapse because of Katrina and Harvey because they were tiny areas and the rest of the country poured in resources but in the center of it things were indeed falling apart. Anything widespread we'd be up shit creek. People are so unprepared, most people have no food or water to survive longer than a few days.
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: nddons on December 17, 2017, 12:10:37 PM
I enjoyed the cartoon at the beginning of the article.

Even if one accepts that man made climate change is real and is a significant problem, I don't see how declaring it a national security threat will do anything except take away money and resources from dealing with actual national security threats.

I'm actually interested in what Steingar has to say on this. I'd like to know what steps he thinks we should take by declaring it a national security threat.
Duh. The obvious solution is to raise a carbon tax or otherwise increase money coming into FedGov so they can just “Do SOMETHING!” about MMGW, such as paying money to good democrat donors’”green” companies. And that will get a pleasing nod by the UN MMGW propagandists too. Winning!
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: Rush on December 17, 2017, 12:44:38 PM
Duh. The obvious solution is to raise a carbon tax or otherwise increase money coming into FedGov so they can just “Do SOMETHING!” about MMGW, such as paying money to good democrat donors’”green” companies. And that will get a pleasing nod by the UN MMGW propagandists too. Winning!

That's right, MMGW is nothing more than money transfer into the pockets of a few.  Never ceases to amaze me how blind the liberal greenie useless idiots are to this, those who bemoan the "rich 1%".  I guess that's the goal of the propaganda.
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: Anthony on December 17, 2017, 01:29:45 PM
Solyndra.
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: Number7 on December 17, 2017, 02:03:01 PM
Since not a single claim the MMGW whores have made has been founded in reality, or proven to come even close to reality, it time to stop giving even a scintilla of attention to the MMGW whiners.

If it was such a real and present, National Security problem, how come the MMGW fake scientists had to fudge every report o adjust fo the outcome they intended, instead of the outcome that existed?
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on December 17, 2017, 03:45:16 PM
Solyndra.
And no one went to prison.
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: PaulS on December 17, 2017, 04:40:38 PM
Hey, come on guys, the weather is way different than when I was a kid,  I remember just about every snow storm being up to my belly button,  not any more!   (Of course I was about 2 feet tall at the time.)
Title: Re: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat
Post by: Number7 on December 18, 2017, 06:35:11 PM
I saw a cute cartoon the other day.

A Coast Guard boat (simper pertatis) captain is instructing his crew.’”Now that climate change is a national security problem, if you see the ocean level rising.... SHOOT IT!!!!”