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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Jim Logajan on September 19, 2017, 01:58:01 PM
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Not a joke...
http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/19/hours-after-hurricane-irma-miami-dade-co (http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/19/hours-after-hurricane-irma-miami-dade-co)
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Unbelievable
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Unbelievable
No, it's Miami Dade. Another liberal progressive bastion.
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Florida residents also aren't allowed to use solar panels:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-18/florida-you-cant-use-your-own-solar-panels-crisis
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Florida residents also aren't allowed to use solar panels:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-18/florida-you-cant-use-your-own-solar-panels-crisis
That's not what the article says at all. Not only that, but the article is misleading in a number of ways. It implies that homeowners can't use power from their solar panels after a storm, but that's simply not the case. They just have to have a switch that keeps power from their panels from being directed back into the grid. Seems reasonable to me.
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That's not what the article says at all. Not only that, but the article is misleading in a number of ways. It implies that homeowners can't use power from their solar panels after a storm, but that's simply not the case. They just have to have a switch that keeps power from their panels from being directed back into the grid. Seems reasonable to me.
Agreed. I live in Florida and the entire article was biased and misleading.
There was an amendment in the last election that would have made the article slightly more honest, that was pushed by the energy companies, but it didn't pass.
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That's not what the article says at all. Not only that, but the article is misleading in a number of ways. It implies that homeowners can't use power from their solar panels after a storm, but that's simply not the case. They just have to have a switch that keeps power from their panels from being directed back into the grid. Seems reasonable to me.
Respectfully disagree. From the article: "
"Astoundingly, state rules also mandate that solar customers include a switch that cleanly disconnects their panels from FPL’s system while keeping the rest of a home’s power lines connected. But during a disaster like the aftermath of Hurricane Irma, FPL customers aren’t allowed to simply flip that switch and keep their panels going."
All solar/inverter grid tie systems require an isolate switch. Most states require that they be automatic so that in the event of a grid power loss, you are not powering the service line while crews are working on them. Which is all fine and good. However, forcing a customer to not use their own power inverter while the isolate switch is disconnected from the grid is mind-blowingly stupid. Once a system is isolated, the solar panel powered home can't use their own power generation for their own home.
Here is what the FPL statement reads. It's wording is rather awkward, but the author seems to be correct, that even when isolated, the home generation can't be used as a power source: "Renewable generator systems connected to the grid without batteries are not a standby power source during an FPL outage. The system must shut down when FPL's grid shuts down in order to prevent dangerous back feed on FPL's grid. This is required to protect FPL employees who may be working on the grid."
Again, the wording 'must be shut down' is unambiguous. It's meaning is clear, that it is not enough to be isolated with the grid, but must be shut down. The way I read it is that you can't use your own solar/wind generator during an FPL outage. YMMV
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NEVER underestimate the ignorance, stupidity and outright dishonesty of government employees.
Citing someone six hours after a massive hurricane because their fence fell down isn't stupid.
It's official misconduct and should be indictable.
But... Miami Dade County is the home of one of the most corrupt county and local government in America. It's where Janet Reno, among others practiced their criminal careers.
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Not a joke...
http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/19/hours-after-hurricane-irma-miami-dade-co (http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/19/hours-after-hurricane-irma-miami-dade-co)
"Reason" updated the story with the following:
Update: After publication Reason received comment from Miami-Dade county, with the following explanation:
We were looking to advise residents of the following hazards on their properties that they may not have been aware of, but that pose a life safety threat: damaged structures that rendered them unsafe, unsecured pools with no barriers, electrical hazards (down lines, damaged meters) and gas hazards (damaged meters). If any of these hazards were found, our inspectors gave out a safety notice, which is neither a notice of violation warning nor a citation. That means there is no fine attached. The safety notices given to property owners identify the hazard, steps that should be taken to correct the hazard, and who to contact for additional information.
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A "notice of code violation" is in fact a citation. If you ignore the warning on the citation, you will be fined, and can have a permanent lien placed on your property.
I vote chickenshit actions taken by 'crats who wouldn't piss on a citizen if they were on fire, but will hand out a citation in a Miami Dade minute.
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It is amazing what Jay and Mary Honeck have been fighting down in Port Aransas to get their hotel rebuilt. The went to Lowes today to see about cabinets and were told they will have to pull permits to have new cabinets installed. The crap they went through today over getting the roof replaced was incredible. They are just trying to get their business up and running again. Their insurance will only cover 6 months of lost revenue. They also went to see about applying for FEMA aid and ended up in a long line that led to a phone bank so they could call and make an appointment. I think, no matter how the folks at the top think things are working the bureaucrats will always make things harder than they need to be.
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It is amazing what Jay and Mary Honeck have been fighting down in Port Aransas to get their hotel rebuilt. The went to Lowes today to see about cabinets and were told they will have to pull permits to have new cabinets installed. The crap they went through today over getting the roof replaced was incredible. They are just trying to get their business up and running again. Their insurance will only cover 6 months of lost revenue. They also went to see about applying for FEMA aid and ended up in a long line that led to a phone bank so they could call and make an appointment. I think, no matter how the folks at the top think things are working the bureaucrats will always make things harder than they need to be.
Which is obviously why we MUST turn all of our healthcare into single payer run by the US Government. I mean, they do everything else so well.....
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It is amazing what Jay and Mary Honeck have been fighting down in Port Aransas to get their hotel rebuilt. The went to Lowes today to see about cabinets and were told they will have to pull permits to have new cabinets installed. The crap they went through today over getting the roof replaced was incredible. They are just trying to get their business up and running again. Their insurance will only cover 6 months of lost revenue. They also went to see about applying for FEMA aid and ended up in a long line that led to a phone bank so they could call and make an appointment. I think, no matter how the folks at the top think things are working the bureaucrats will always make things harder than they need to be.
Our flood wasn't hurricane related but we were denied reimbursement by the city for the water bill because the plumber we called to replace the $7 plastic fitting that broke didn't pull a permit to do it. Who pulls a permit to replace a one inch fitting? That's insane.
The people at the coast are having it rough. Our neighbor is having trouble getting anything done because it's only their second home not their primary so they are low on everyone's priority list. They understand but still.
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Which is obviously why we MUST turn all of our healthcare into single payer run by the US Government. I mean, they do everything else so well.....
Check
Mate 8)
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Which is obviously why we MUST turn all of our healthcare into single payer run by the US Government. I mean, they do everything else so well.....
And Game, Set, and Match. Yes, you will wait in line to get to a phone bank which will have a busy signal on the other end. IF you get through, you will then wait in another que, to get to the real waiting line. Bureaucrats, and Government, unlike the private sector, do NOT ALLOW choices, nor recourse when they flat out ignore you, or provide bad service. "Write your Congressmen" will be the cliché of the day, and we all know where that gets us.
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And Game, Set, and Match. Yes, you will wait in line to get to a phone bank which will have a busy signal on the other end. IF you get through, you will then wait in another que, to get to the real waiting line. Bureaucrats, and Government, unlike the private sector, do NOT ALLOW choices, nor recourse when they flat out ignore you, or provide bad service. "Write your Congressmen" will be the cliché of the day, and we all know where that gets us.
To be honest, I don't find much difference when dealing with larger corporations vs government.
But at least, with businesses, there is usually some semblance of competition, unless and until the government gets around to regulating the shit out of it. Then there ain't much difference at all.
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Fake news. Hasn't been picked up by even one journalism outlet. This is how it spreads. Where it started I can't tell, probably one of the story generating units in Russia or one of its former satellites. They take a story with a germ of truth, like someone found a citation after the hurricane, and blow it out of proportion. They then loose the story on the internet, so gullible folks like you all can get upset about it.
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They then loose the story on the internet, so gullible folks like you all can get upset about it.
You mean like the times you posted fake and debunked stories here?
Talk about being gulliable. But you top it with your ignorance.
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Fake news. Hasn't been picked up by even one journalism outlet. This is how it spreads. Where it started I can't tell, probably one of the story generating units in Russia or one of its former satellites. They take a story with a germ of truth, like someone found a citation after the hurricane, and blow it out of proportion. They then loose the story on the internet, so gullible folks like you all can get upset about it.
Trump, is that you?
(The Reason article included the link to where it originated - a local TV news station:
http://wsvn.com/news/help-me-howard/warning-notice-from-miami-dade-county-after-irma/ (http://wsvn.com/news/help-me-howard/warning-notice-from-miami-dade-county-after-irma/)
The most direct way to determine if this particular story is true is to contact the TV station and Miami-Dade county authorities. It isn't as if the particulars are somehow vague. People, places, and times are all included with sufficient detail to independently determine authenticity.)
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From Jim's article:
A building official wrote, “The safety notice is neither a notice of violation warning nor a citation. It is important that we reach residents in the immediate aftermath of the storm, because that is when conditions are most dangerous, and taking steps to protect life is a critical part of the recovery process.”
Obviously some common sense could have been exercised here. Perhaps it was the messenger, and not necessarily the message that was the issue?
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Trump, is that you?
(The Reason article included the link to where it originated - a local TV news station:
http://wsvn.com/news/help-me-howard/warning-notice-from-miami-dade-county-after-irma/ (http://wsvn.com/news/help-me-howard/warning-notice-from-miami-dade-county-after-irma/)
The most direct way to determine if this particular story is true is to contact the TV station and Miami-Dade county authorities. It isn't as if the particulars are somehow vague. People, places, and times are all included with sufficient detail to independently determine authenticity.)
Nope. The perfesser has already declared "Hasn't been picked up by even one journalism outlet" so obviously what you posted is not true. ::)
Remember, this is the same perfesser who told us in a thread that Ohio had floods and FEMA didn't even come to the aid of the state and that Cincinnati had floods and it wouldn't even picked up by one national media outlet.
Of course when he was shown factual data that proved both of his points were false, he stormed off the forum and told everyone to go fuck themselves.
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Simple google search of Cincinnati flood:
(http://www.wcpo.com/news/our-community/from-the-vault/from-the-vault-flood-of-1997-was-disastrous-deadly)
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From Jim's article:
Obviously some common sense could have been exercised here. Perhaps it was the messenger, and not necessarily the message that was the issue?
I think this was it. I can understand authorities wanting to get the message to people what the safety priorities are. People can be pretty stupid. Sounds like they just wanted to say, "look here are the biggest immediate risks, could you please address these first as soon as you can?" If that message is given in a non-threatening informational way, most reasonable people would say oh good point, will do. But if they were all throwing around bureaucratic attitude (and under these circumstances ANY mention of "code" or "violation" would qualify as that) then these traumatized people, who were just attacked and devastated by Mother Nature, are not going to respond well to any perceived threat.
When our plumbing fixture flooded our house back in May, our insurance company sent a contractor who specializes in mitigating disaster damage, and I had an interesting conversation with the head of the team. He said his company gives their employees training in the psychology of disasters. Immediately after a disaster the victims are in deep shock. The "first responder" contractors were trained in how to deal with the unique mental state of people whose home and possessions have just been destroyed unexpectedly. They knew not to expect instant decisions for example. This is not a person who has been planning a renovation and is prepared for the demolition. They knew that we needed a supportive presence not a demanding one, and that any demands necessary to make on us were formed as gentle requests.
Likely these petty bureaucrats had zero training in disaster psychology. They may have themselves been victims too. They were defaulting to what they knew best: codes result in safety so let's enforce codes!... and going about it in a panicked manner no doubt because, in their own shocked state, they were trying to "fix" this horrible thing that just happened.
Unfortunately, any kind of "safety notice" nailed up on your property by an official just as you are looking around at your ruins, is going to be felt as a threat. It will be felt as a demand without concurrent support, and there is no telling what these officials actually verbally told people.
It would have been far better for the officials to simply broadcast the information in general rather than go targeting individuals. Then maybe pull together a team that could actually help mitigate the worst of the dangers on the spot for situations that were the most imminently dangerous to the most people.
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Simple google search of Cincinnati flood:
(http://www.wcpo.com/news/our-community/from-the-vault/from-the-vault-flood-of-1997-was-disastrous-deadly)
I personally saw most of the state underwater with not a single FEMA trailer or person anywhere. Hell, it hadn't even made the national news. Don't think that particular flooding event ever did.
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I personally saw most of the state underwater with not a single FEMA trailer or person anywhere. Hell, it hadn't even made the national news. Don't think that particular flooding event ever did.
Bullshit! I showed you where it was in the national news.
You're delusional and believe your own lies.
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Well said, I think the overall message got lost in heated emotions.
I think this was it. I can understand authorities wanting to get the message to people what the safety priorities are. People can be pretty stupid. Sounds like they just wanted to say, "look here are the biggest immediate risks, could you please address these first as soon as you can?" If that message is given in a non-threatening informational way, most reasonable people would say oh good point, will do. But if they were all throwing around bureaucratic attitude (and under these circumstances ANY mention of "code" or "violation" would qualify as that) then these traumatized people, who were just attacked and devastated by Mother Nature, are not going to respond well to any perceived threat.
When our plumbing fixture flooded our house back in May, our insurance company sent a contractor who specializes in mitigating disaster damage, and I had an interesting conversation with the head of the team. He said his company gives their employees training in the psychology of disasters. Immediately after a disaster the victims are in deep shock. The "first responder" contractors were trained in how to deal with the unique mental state of people whose home and possessions have just been destroyed unexpectedly. They knew not to expect instant decisions for example. This is not a person who has been planning a renovation and is prepared for the demolition. They knew that we needed a supportive presence not a demanding one, and that any demands necessary to make on us were formed as gentle requests.
Likely these petty bureaucrats had zero training in disaster psychology. They may have themselves been victims too. They were defaulting to what they knew best: codes result in safety so let's enforce codes!... and going about it in a panicked manner no doubt because, in their own shocked state, they were trying to "fix" this horrible thing that just happened.
Unfortunately, any kind of "safety notice" nailed up on your property by an official just as you are looking around at your ruins, is going to be felt as a threat. It will be felt as a demand without concurrent support, and there is no telling what these officials actually verbally told people.
It would have been far better for the officials to simply broadcast the information in general rather than go targeting individuals. Then maybe pull together a team that could actually help mitigate the worst of the dangers on the spot for situations that were the most imminently dangerous to the most people.
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Bullshit! I showed you where it was in the national news.
You're delusional and believe your own lies.
You're such a fucking moron. Places in Ohio have flooded numerous times in the last couple decades. You posted the wrong one Zippy. No wonder no one posts here anymore.
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You're such a fucking moron. Places in Ohio have flooded numerous times in the last couple decades. You posted the wrong one Zippy. No wonder no one posts here anymore.
This is not your classroom where you can come in, make a bullshit claim then browbeat everyone into nodding their heads and have them dare not question your self imposed wisdom.
This is why you can't function outside your academic bubble.
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You're such a fucking moron. Places in Ohio have flooded numerous times in the last couple decades. You posted the wrong one Zippy. No wonder no one posts here anymore.
You are the moron for even thinking that anyone outside of Ohio should give a shit if you flood annually. If you don't like it, then move.
But as others have pointed out, I do remember quite a bit of news regarding the flooding up there. What do you suppose those of us in Florida should do about it?
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Fake news. Hasn't been picked up by even one journalism outlet. This is how it spreads. Where it started I can't tell, probably one of the story generating units in Russia or one of its former satellites. They take a story with a germ of truth, like someone found a citation after the hurricane, and blow it out of proportion. They then loose the story on the internet, so gullible folks like you all can get upset about it.
Don't you REALLY mean that this article fails to pander to your personal progressive agenda, therefore it must be a lie???