PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: MarkZ on January 31, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423693/Parents-sue-public-high-school-religious-indoctrination-daughter-forced-convert-Islam-world-history-class.html
In another thread, some felt that a public company's first amendment religious rights were impinged by the state government. Here is a story of a man and wife suing because they felt their daughter was indoctrinated into Islam.
Via a world history class.
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It's a he said, she said story. In addition, Americans just love to sue people. We are the most litigious people on the planet. We have only one side of the story. Without actually attending the class, there is no way actually comment on this story.
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True. Without attending the class, there is no way to tell.
Why then, if malfeasance has been perpetrated, have no other students or faculty stepped forward? Where is the student in all this? The articles cited give the impression that it is the parents, and not the child, that take issue.
I will say, one has to be quite the belligerent buffoon to warrant a trespass order on his daughter's school.
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There is no such thing as a "former Marine."
Semper Fi.
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can't know without attending the class? what complete crap.
What was the class syllabus? What's in the text material used?
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can't know without attending the class? what complete crap.
Elaborate.
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Elaborate.
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did you read the rest of my post?
Is the only way to understand anything about ATC training classes is by actually attending them?
Is the only way to understand a ground school is by attending?
Good grief, people THINK
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There is no such thing as a "former Marine."
Semper Fi.
Carry on.
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did you read the rest of my post?
Is the only way to understand anything about ATC training classes is by actually attending them?
Is the only way to understand a ground school is by attending?
Good grief, people THINK
How is learning about Islam an indoctrination into Islam? People attend religious studies classes all the time and don't suddenly end up converting to another religion. So whatever is in the syllabus or course outline is irrelevant IMO. I feel the same way about teaching creationism in a classroom. Alternate views and religions are important to understand when studying history, or foreign cultures.
In this case I believe, this Marine just hates Muslims and Islam so much that he made a big stink about it. An opportunistic lawyer saw chance to make a big name for himself and maybe some cash too. This lawsuit reeks of BS to me.
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How is learning about Islam an indoctrination into Islam? People attend religious studies classes all the time and don't suddenly end up converting to another religion. So whatever is in the syllabus or course outline is irrelevant IMO. I feel the same way about teaching creationism in a classroom. Alternate views and religions are important to understand when studying history, or foreign cultures.
In this case I believe, this Marine just hates Muslims and Islam so much that he made a big stink about it. An opportunistic lawyer saw chance to make a big name for himself and maybe some cash too. This lawsuit reeks of BS to me.
Perhaps all that is being pointed out is hypocrisy in today's learning environment. Do the same type of learning with Christianity in a school today and the ACLU and a dozen other organizations will shut it down in a heartbeat, "separation of church and state" don'tcha know. ::)
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Perhaps all that is being pointed out is hypocrisy in today's learning environment. Do the same type of learning with Christianity in a school today and the ACLU and a dozen other organizations will shut it down in a heartbeat, "separation of church and state" don'tcha know. ::)
Poor, poor, persecuted Christians!
Pretty soon they won't even be allowed to pray anymore.
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Poor, poor, persecuted Christians!
Pretty soon they won't even be allowed to pray anymore.
I do think there is a bias in society by government/media/education (all Progressive btw) against Christianity, and Judaism. It is another effort to right perceived past wrongs as those are the dominant religions in the U.S. It is more social engineering, and it is dividing and destroying our country.
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I do think there is a bias in society by government/media/education (all Progressive btw) against Christianity, and Judaism. It is another effort to right perceived past wrongs as those are the dominant religions in the U.S. It is more social engineering, and it is dividing and destroying our country.
And when you combine the bias with utter ignorance of natural rights and our founding documents, you get jewels like this:
"The establishment is bruised (along with Trump’s ego). The Democrats are butthurt, and they’re already trying to make Cruz look like some kind of psycho weirdo religious man.
"They’re extra offended over one claim Cruz made during his victory speech. He said our rights come from………..God. *GASP*"
http://www.chicksontheright.com/democrats-mad-ted-cruz-said-rights-come-god/
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And when you combine the bias with utter ignorance of natural rights and our founding documents, you get jewels like this:
"The establishment is bruised (along with Trump’s ego). The Democrats are butthurt, and they’re already trying to make Cruz look like some kind of psycho weirdo religious man.
"They’re extra offended over one claim Cruz made during his victory speech. He said our rights come from………..God. *GASP*"
http://www.chicksontheright.com/democrats-mad-ted-cruz-said-rights-come-god/
That site seems wrong, too. "[Our] Creator" could be anyone/thing, not necessarily God.
The truth is evident. Our rights are actually given by the fabric of spacetime, which is the real God, as information waves impart Higgs Boson shadows upon the elliptic parabaloid topography of the super-symmetric multiverse.
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We watched Particle Fever the other night, and it seemed quite natural to view the activities at Cern as an exploration of creation.
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Poor, poor, persecuted Christians!
Pretty soon they won't even be allowed to pray anymore.
Google "loudspeaker jihad" and see if you could even think quietly if your home were in one of those neighborhoods. It's the double standard that is being pointed out.
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Our rights are actually given by the fabric of spacetime, which is the real God, as information waves impart Higgs Boson shadows upon the elliptic parabaloid topography of the super-symmetric multiverse.
Henning???
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Henning???
;D I miss his space talk.
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That site seems wrong, too. "[Our] Creator" could be anyone/thing, not necessarily God.
The truth is evident. Our rights are actually given by the fabric of spacetime, which is the real God, as information waves impart Higgs Boson shadows upon the elliptic parabaloid topography of the super-symmetric multiverse.
Henning? Is that you?
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Perhaps all that is being pointed out is hypocrisy in today's learning environment. Do the same type of learning with Christianity in a school today and the ACLU and a dozen other organizations will shut it down in a heartbeat, "separation of church and state" don'tcha know. ::)
It maybe the case for sure, but that's why I say you need to know what goes on in the classroom precisely. That's why I don't really want to condemn anybody in this case without attending the class. In a course in history, one cannot ignore the influence religion has played throughout the eons. To understand motivations, one does need a basic understanding of the religion and it's tenants that motivate the people of the times.
So, a quick study of the Torah, the Bible, the Qur'an and whatever the books for the Hindus and Buddhists are called (my poor religious education is showing here) are warranted. If I personally were attending the class, I would welcome the background info. I find this stuff interesting in a historical perspective. I personally like history a lot.
Having said that, if this teacher is really some sort of amateur Imam and is proselytizing to young kids the Muslim faith under the guise of "history lessons", then I would say fire his sorry self and shove his Qur'an up his ass! Hard to say what's going on without being there.
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;D I miss his space talk.
Good job! You nailed it! It was almost as though he was virtually in this virtual room...
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That site seems wrong, too. "[Our] Creator" could be anyone/thing, not necessarily God.
The truth is evident. Our rights are actually given by the fabric of spacetime, which is the real God, as information waves impart Higgs Boson shadows upon the elliptic parabaloid topography of the super-symmetric multiverse.
I was going to say.....but I see that many other posters beat me to it.
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;D I miss his space talk.
Major Henning (völlig losgelöst)
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The fact that Islam can be "taught" (indoctrinated is much more like it) in a public school, and speaking out against it is met with double speak, denials, and bullshit fit for an msnbc round table discussion, is proof that the PC nerds feel it is their absolute right to redefine everything to fit their political agenda, and to hell with anyone that thinks equal protection, the constitution, or simple freedom take first place.
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The fact that Islam can be "taught" (indoctrinated is much more like it) in a public school, and speaking out against it is met with double speak, denials, and bullshit fit for an msnbc round table discussion, is proof that the PC nerds feel it is their absolute right to redefine everything to fit their political agenda, and to hell with anyone that thinks equal protection, the constitution, or simple freedom take first place.
How does one teach Islam? Second question: How do you indoctrinate a teenager into anything?
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How does one teach Islam? Second question: How do you indoctrinate a teenager into anything?
Both of those questions are stupid. If you don't know, you never will, and any explanations will be lost on you.
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FC, you are an intellectual well that if we attempt to drink from we die of thirst. For we dip our buckets with 8" depth but your walls are only 2" deep.
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But I did notice you don't take the response head on and blow it away, so maybe he had a point, after all. However, I would be far more interested in how you view the point, than how you can attack him for making an uncomfortable observation.