Post by: nddons on April 13, 2016, 09:45:26 AM
Why does Trump want the GOP nomination, when he appears to be at odds with much of its platform, including the support for the Fifth Amendment and the platforms rejection of Kelo v. New London (pg. 13 of the Republican Platform 2012)?
Why didn't he just start his own party? He could certainly afforded to do so. He could have set up a primary system where every state has a Trump Party primary vote (no caucuses or conventions), and the plurality vote getter gets the nomination. It would be an excellent party, a beautify party, and the Trump Party voters would be fabulous people.
I despise the Republican establishment (the elected career politicians), but not the party of Lincoln. That's why I engaged in significant debate over on POA that the Tea Party wanted to change the GOP from the inside, and not start a new party. However, I don't think Trump even knows the GOP was the party of Lincoln, or that it was started in 1854 in nearby Ripon, Wisconsin.
So why did Trump run as a Republican?
Post by: Little Joe on April 13, 2016, 09:57:21 AM
This is a serious question. Why did someone who has expressed extreme hate for the GOP and the RNC, and who hasn't read the rules and refuses to acknowledge the rules, and wants the rules changed such that a plurality of delegates should automatically get the nomination, want to be this party's nominee?I've kind of wondered that too.
Why does Trump want the GOP nomination, when he appears to be at odds with much of its platform, including the support for the Fifth Amendment and the platforms rejection of Kelo v. New London (pg. 13 of the Republican Platform 2012)?
Why didn't he just start his own party? He could certainly afforded to do so. He could have set up a primary system where every state has a Trump Party primary vote (no caucuses or conventions), and the plurality vote getter gets the nomination. It would be an excellent party, a beautify party, and the Trump Party voters would be fabulous people.
I despise the Republican establishment (the elected career politicians), but not the party of Lincoln. That's why I engaged in significant debate over on POA that the Tea Party wanted to change the GOP from the inside, and not start a new party. However, I don't think Trump even knows the GOP was the party of Lincoln, or that it was started in 1854 in nearby Ripon, Wisconsin.
So why did Trump run as a Republican?
And while I admire Lincoln, you do realize that he was one of the worst Presidents in history with regards to the division of powers and of States Rights; don't you?
I guess starting a 3rd party would have made some sense, but historically speaking, that rarely works out very well.
And maybe, just maybe, he really did change some of his philosophies. I know you and Jeff will have a hart time swallowing that possibility, but the concept is there. People have changed. Back in the '60's I was a raving liberal. And I didn't even do (many) drugs.
And maybe he sees all the stupid stuff our government and said to himself, "If I were President, I could put a stop to a lot of that stupid stuff". You have to admit, the government does a lot of apparently stupid stuff.
And maybe, just maybe, he is not as stupid as you think he is. I wish I had half the business acumen he has.
You asked. I gave you a few opinions.
Post by: FastEddieB on April 13, 2016, 10:46:01 AM
Probably a bit too "conspiracy theory" to be true, but darn it if most of his actions don't make perfect sense when viewed in that light.
Post by: JeffDG on April 13, 2016, 11:02:30 AM
Post by: pilot_dude on April 13, 2016, 11:16:21 AM
This is a serious question. Why did someone who has expressed extreme hate for the GOP and the RNC, and who hasn't read the rules and refuses to acknowledge the rules, and wants the rules changed such that a plurality of delegates should automatically get the nomination, want to be this party's nominee?I would be surprised if there isn't a Trump sponsored party (damn sure with his name on it like everything else) if the RNC runs roughshod over him at the convention.
Why does Trump want the GOP nomination, when he appears to be at odds with much of its platform, including the support for the Fifth Amendment and the platforms rejection of Kelo v. New London (pg. 13 of the Republican Platform 2012)?
Why didn't he just start his own party? He could certainly afforded to do so. He could have set up a primary system where every state has a Trump Party primary vote (no caucuses or conventions), and the plurality vote getter gets the nomination. It would be an excellent party, a beautify party, and the Trump Party voters would be fabulous people.
I despise the Republican establishment (the elected career politicians), but not the party of Lincoln. That's why I engaged in significant debate over on POA that the Tea Party wanted to change the GOP from the inside, and not start a new party. However, I don't think Trump even knows the GOP was the party of Lincoln, or that it was started in 1854 in nearby Ripon, Wisconsin.
So why did Trump run as a Republican?
Post by: pilot_dude on April 13, 2016, 11:18:02 AM
I have trouble believing he is truly a Republican when he can't even convince his own kids to register as Republicans.Or, more to your multiple sayings so, democrat.
Post by: JeffDG on April 13, 2016, 11:19:02 AM
Or, more to your multiple sayings so, democrat.If he was running for the Democrat nomination, I'd ask the same question.
The guy who the Trumkins shout will bring new people to the Republican party can't even recruit his own kids.
Post by: Little Joe on April 13, 2016, 11:26:08 AM
If he was running for the Democrat nomination, I'd ask the same question.That's one of your weakest arguments yet. I'm sure you have heard the stories about the preacher's kids.
The guy who the Trumkins shout will bring new people to the Republican party can't even recruit his own kids.
When I was too young to vote, John Kennedy was my hero. My parents were aghast. He was a DEMOCRAT! :o I felt real bad going against my parents, but I thought they were wrong.
Then, as we got older, we both switched sides. I had nothing to do with parental rebellion. I just drifted more to the side that I though had logic and reason. They drifted to the side that made them feel better.
Families that can stay close regardless of differences are stronger than families that line up in obedience.
Post by: Little Joe on April 13, 2016, 11:29:57 AM
That's one of your weakest arguments yet. I'm sure you have heard the stories about the preacher's kids.
When I was too young to vote, John Kennedy was my hero. My parents were aghast. He was a DEMOCRAT! :o I felt real bad going against my parents, but I thought they were wrong.
Then, as we got older, we both switched sides. It had nothing to do with youthful rebellion. I just drifted more to the side that I though had logic and reason. They drifted to the side that made them feel better.
Families that can stay close regardless of differences are stronger than families that line up in obedience.
(Apparently, he chose a couple of wives that weren't very obedient either).
Oh, and he did recruit them. They tried to switch parties, but those "rules thingys" got in the way again. :-[ It turns out that the last day to register is much later than it is to switch parties if you are already registered. That might have tripped me up too.
Post by: Anthony on April 14, 2016, 04:31:17 AM
Post by: Number7 on April 14, 2016, 09:06:23 AM
In 1972 it was John Anderson.
In 1968 it was George Wallace.
They all brought nothing of value to the national discourse except a small rabble rousing crowd, that seemed to thrive on hating the way things were, without offering a single honest alternative.
Post by: nddons on April 14, 2016, 09:16:43 AM
Donald Trump reminds me more of Ross Perot in 1992 every day.But, but, doesn't he want to Make America Great Again? That's all you need to know. Trust him, let me tell you.
In 1972 it was John Anderson.
In 1968 it was George Wallace.
They all brought nothing of value to the national discourse except a small rabble rousing crowd, that seemed to thrive on hating the way things were, without offering a single honest alternative.
Post by: Lucifer on April 14, 2016, 09:55:37 AM
But, but, doesn't he want to Make America Great Again? That's all you need to know. Trust him, let me tell you.
Like DisTrusTed? After all, he's an outsider gonna fix everything wrong in Washington.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 15, 2016, 05:43:46 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 15, 2016, 06:12:31 AM
I would think that by now all the Cruzers would be backing Kasich since he's the only one that can beat Hillary.
Yep, they keep skipping over that tidbit when they point to general election polls (that are historically inaccurate anyway) that show their foe Trump not doing well in head to head match ups. Even funnier are the general election polls showing Cruz losing big to Sanders.
Post by: Number7 on April 15, 2016, 06:29:42 AM
Like DisTrusTed? After all, he's an outsider gonna fix everything wrong in Washington.
A Donald Trump shill calling Ted Cruz a liar is about as honest as Hilary Clinton claiming Bernie Sanders is getting a free pass from the press. It just doesn't think well.
Post by: Lucifer on April 15, 2016, 07:21:21 AM
A Donald Trump shill calling Ted Cruz a liar is about as honest as Hilary Clinton claiming Bernie Sanders is getting a free pass from the press. It just doesn't think well.
Shill? LOL!
Never diss the messiah or thou will be called lowly names and associated with Trump.
Too funny.
Post by: Little Joe on April 15, 2016, 08:21:59 AM
A Donald Trump shill calling Ted Cruz a liar is about as honest as Hilary Clinton claiming Bernie Sanders is getting a free pass from the press. It just doesn't think well.Yeah, but Bernie does get a free pass from the media,
thus . . .
What was your point?
Oh yeah, Ted is a liar.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 15, 2016, 08:43:40 AM
"Republican political consultant Karl Rove's super PAC is telling its donors it can help Donald Trump win the presidency, despite Rove's public, anti-Trump stance.
According to Politico (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/karl-rove-donald-trump-221926), Rove's American Crossroads super PAC held an "investor conference call" this week that outlined how Trump could beat Democrat Hillary Clinton if both are nominated to represent their parties on the November ballot"
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Politico-Karl-Rove-Super-PAC-Help/2016/04/14/id/723938/#ixzz45uVT2H6i (http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Politico-Karl-Rove-Super-PAC-Help/2016/04/14/id/723938/#ixzz45uVT2H6i)
Post by: nddons on April 15, 2016, 08:49:57 AM
I would think that by now all the Cruzers would be backing Kasich since he's the only one that can beat Hillary.Its a moot point. Kasich can't get the majority of delegates in 8 states, so he can't be nominated.
Damn those rules. So unfair.
Post by: Lucifer on April 15, 2016, 09:16:26 AM
Uh, oh..........
"Republican political consultant Karl Rove's super PAC is telling its donors it can help Donald Trump win the presidency, despite Rove's public, anti-Trump stance.
According to Politico (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/karl-rove-donald-trump-221926), Rove's American Crossroads super PAC held an "investor conference call" this week that outlined how Trump could beat Democrat Hillary Clinton if both are nominated to represent their parties on the November ballot"http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Politico-Karl-Rove-Super-PAC-Help/2016/04/14/id/723938/#ixzz45uVT2H6i (http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Politico-Karl-Rove-Super-PAC-Help/2016/04/14/id/723938/#ixzz45uVT2H6i)
Uncle Karl has now decided to play both sides of the fence. It's all about power and retaining power, doncha know?
Post by: nddons on April 15, 2016, 09:52:30 AM
Uncle Karl has now decided to play both sides of the fence. It's all about power and retaining power, doncha know?Rove is a douche and has always been a douche.
Post by: pilot_dude on April 15, 2016, 10:58:19 AM
Its a moot point. Kasich can't get the majority of delegates in 8 states, so he can't be nominated.There are no rules until the weekend prior to convention. The 8 state rule is not going to be in effect this year unless reinstated.
Damn those rules. So unfair.
Post by: Little Joe on April 15, 2016, 11:22:23 AM
There are no rules until the weekend prior to convention. The 8 state rule is not going to be in effect this year unless reinstated.But... that's not what the experts here are telling us! :o
Post by: nddons on April 15, 2016, 11:46:26 AM
There are no rules until the weekend prior to convention. The 8 state rule is not going to be in effect this year unless reinstated.Nope. That's not at all accurate.
These are the actual rules:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/prod-static-ngop-pbl/docs/Rules_of_the_Republican+Party_FINAL_S14090314.pdf
Rule No. 42, Temporary Rules, says: "upon adoption of the report of the Convention Committee on Rules and Order of Business, Rule Nos. 26-42 [which constitute the Proceedings of National Convention] shall constitute the Standing Rules for this convention and the temporary rules for the next convention."
The rules do NOT terminate, but they can be changed or amended, as they always are, before the convention.
Post by: nddons on April 15, 2016, 11:48:28 AM
But... that's not what the experts here are telling us! :oNot experts, just someone who read the ACTUAL rules, and not what Hannity or Savage or Jones or Ingram or Coulter tell us what they say.
It's all on GOP.com.
Post by: pilot_dude on April 15, 2016, 01:43:46 PM
Nope. That's not at all accurate.That is not my understanding from other sources. Will try and find time to locate the articles but this weekend is dedicated to putting my rump in the saddle of my mare for several hours a day.
These are the actual rules:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/prod-static-ngop-pbl/docs/Rules_of_the_Republican+Party_FINAL_S14090314.pdf
Rule No. 42, Temporary Rules, says: "upon adoption of the report of the Convention Committee on Rules and Order of Business, Rule Nos. 26-42 [which constitute the Proceedings of National Convention] shall constitute the Standing Rules for this convention and the temporary rules for the next convention."
The rules do NOT terminate, but they can be changed or amended, as they always are, before the convention.
Post by: pilot_dude on April 15, 2016, 01:56:26 PM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gop-braces-for-rules-fight-that-could-decide-2016-nomination/article/2588247
Post by: nddons on April 15, 2016, 02:23:33 PM
Here is the source of my belief stated earlier:I don't see anything in the article that changes my understanding of the process.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gop-braces-for-rules-fight-that-could-decide-2016-nomination/article/2588247
Post by: nddons on April 15, 2016, 02:24:25 PM
That is not my understanding from other sources. Will try and find time to locate the articles but this weekend is dedicated to putting my rump in the saddle of my mare for several hours a day.Hey, what you do behind your bedroom door is up to you.
Post by: Florida Cracker on April 17, 2016, 12:31:05 AM
The guy is a pathetic, pandering, pussy.
Post by: Mase on April 17, 2016, 12:53:42 AM
Other than progressives, does anyone really want Kasich?
The guy is a pathetic, pandering, pussy.
Still better than Hillary or Bernie.