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Title: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Number7 on January 02, 2023, 08:24:47 PM
The political world is spinning right now trying to make up a lie to keep people from connecting it to the scam vaccine.

The game has been suspended. Will have to be made up later.

Today happens to be the first day that the fucking criminal fauci is no longer in government service. He did such a good job infecting people with the killer drug. He must be very proud tonight.

https://offthepress.com/bills-safety-collapses-after-making-tackle-game-suspended/
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 02, 2023, 09:04:11 PM
Prayers for him, doesn't look good. 
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: nddons on January 02, 2023, 09:57:18 PM
Here’s the collapse.

https://twitter.com/peytoncummingg/status/1610108622448508929?t=t5mgXeGyvucsuVat_K7ixA&s=01

I talked to my daughter and it sounds like it could be something called commotio cordis, which can be triggered by a poorly timed (in the heart’s electrical cycle) blow to the chest.

My money is on the vax however. Too many young healthy people dying of heart attacks.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Rush on January 03, 2023, 04:03:54 AM
According to this guy, he doesn’t link his source but he mentions it although I ain’t gonna waste time chasing it down, if you assume all the sudden deaths post vax were caused by the vax, the death rate is .002%. 

By comparison the lowest fatality rate from the disease itself is .003% in children age 0 to 4, rising to .024 when you’re 30. 

If these numbers are true (who the hell knows) then you’re better off taking the shot even in babies.  However, I would NOT take the shot or give it to my kids at this point in time because none of this data is trustworthy.  We have been lied to by “experts”, politicians and media so much, not to mention the problems with the data such as Covid deaths being overstated for financial gain, that the actual truth could be anything between the shot is way safer than the disease all the way to the shot is way more dangerous than the disease.

One thing I trust for certain: If you get the disease and survive, you have better immunity than you get from the shot.  But to get to that point maybe you must risk a higher chance of not surviving the disease.  Or you can take the shot, also risking death but a lower chance, but you get inferior immunity.

There are no completely right answers, only trade offs.  That’s how I approach this and it frustrates me that the world is fractured into two extreme camps.  It’s difficult to find objective coverage of the subject.

There is no question the vax DOES kill, but censoring this fact on social media only makes the “anti” side convinced it’s a huge coverup and kills far more than might actually be the case.  It’s also just as true the disease itself kills, but the true rate is so muddled by compromised data that the “pro” vaxxers can pull any bloated numbers to justify their position. 

20 years ago a perfectly healthy 6 year old classmate of my daughter’s was walking with her mother in the mall when she suddenly dropped dead on the spot.  No prior condition and the cause of death was determined to be sudden heart failure for unknown reasons.  If that happened today and she had happened to have gotten the Covid vax at any time, some of you would be absolutely convinced the shot killed her.

Individual cases mean absolutely nothing. Only scientifically valid research on aggregate data will determine the truth.  Unfortunately it seems everyone involved is going to have confirmation bias one way or the other.


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During the UK’s first push of vaccinations in 2021, vaccine side-effects were recorded by the Yellow Card system. This is equivalent to the VAERS system in the USA, the difference being that VAERS is open for anyone to add data to and the UK’s Yellow Card is limited to healthcare professionals.

According to a preliminary report dated October published by the UK’s Office of National Statistics (ONS), “the Yellow Card reporting scheme has reported that between 9 December 2020 and 8 September 2021 there were 1,645 deaths where the person died shortly after receiving one of the coronavirus vaccines.” There is, of course, no proven link between the vaccination and the subsequent death.

The report goes on to say that “the deaths registrations figures published by ONS show the official figures for when a death involved the COVID-19 vaccination, and when the vaccination was the underlying cause. This means it was recorded as such by a doctor or coroner.” And that where this was the case, “there were 9 deaths in the UK that involved the vaccine (meaning the vaccine contributed to the death), of which 5 had the vaccine as the underlying cause (meaning the vaccine initiated the chain of events directly leading to the death).”

That report consisted of data up to the end of August 2021.

So, the answer is, in the UK, less than 1,645 and that probably by quite a long way. Although probably more than 9 as the “deaths” data takes more time to feed through the system than the Yellow Card data. As around seventy million doses of vaccine had been given by August 2021, the fatality rate is between 0.002% and 0.00001%,

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-so-many-young-people-dying-suddenly-Is-it-the-COVID-19-vaccine?share=1

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: bflynn on January 03, 2023, 06:21:39 AM
The word is that this was a heart compression injury from the hit, unrelated to vaccines.  Apparently, if you time it just right with the right force, you can cause cardiac arrest.  The player's heart was restarted on the field and he is in the hospital in critical condition. 
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: jb1842 on January 03, 2023, 09:05:33 AM
Honestly, with the speed these guys play at, the size of the players, and the hits they take, I'm surprised there hasn't been more injuries like this before.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Number7 on January 03, 2023, 02:07:10 PM
I’m amazed at the number of people willing to accept the narrative about vaccine deaths.

It seems at odds with adult intelligence, especially after the twitter file releases.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: nddons on January 03, 2023, 02:13:20 PM
I’m amazed at the number of people willing to accept the narrative about vaccine deaths.

It seems at odds with adult intelligence, especially after the twitter file releases.
Do you know if he was vaxed?  Not all NFL players took the jab.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Number7 on January 03, 2023, 05:19:33 PM
Do you know if he was vaxed?  Not all NFL players took the jab.

Yep
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Little Joe on January 03, 2023, 05:27:52 PM
Yep
Would that be "yep" He took the jab?
Or "yep" not all NFL players took the jab?

According to the NFL, 95% of players took that jab.  And Hamlin doesn't seem to be that much of a rebel, so I assume he was vaxed.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 03, 2023, 05:31:14 PM
He was jabbed. His doctor tweeted he had given him the second booster. He since has removed the tweet.

Dr. Malone weighs in.

https://gab.com/RobertMaloneMD/posts/109627774876244345
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Number7 on January 03, 2023, 07:00:22 PM
Nine minutes of CPR before the ambulance was on the field and the trainers had to cut off his jersey and pads before they could start compressions is way too long.

This young man will be one more victim of the fauci cartel that dies needlessly.

Another fauci inspired killing is what it is.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 03, 2023, 08:24:52 PM
Any of these look vaguely familiar?

https://twitter.com/fishindad207/status/1607433567516360704?s=20&t=kB4wNnHs4iQJrz9ct9hQWQ (https://twitter.com/fishindad207/status/1607433567516360704?s=20&t=kB4wNnHs4iQJrz9ct9hQWQ)
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Number7 on January 03, 2023, 08:27:51 PM
Apparently the nfl has a strong fear of the truth.

94.1 KIP Philly sports talk is reporting that the league has notified all media that “No players, coaches, or employees will be available to the media for several sprays.”

If they have nothing to hide, why are they issuing gag orders?

And what legal right do they have to tell citizens who they speak to?
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Anthony on January 04, 2023, 03:17:26 AM
I get laughed at, at work for saying it may have been the Covid vaxes. The brainwashing propaganda (lies) works.  Except the young people aren't laughing anymore. They're concerned.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 04, 2023, 05:52:02 AM
Apparently the nfl has a strong fear of the truth.

94.1 KIP Philly sports talk is reporting that the league has notified all media that “No players, coaches, or employees will be available to the media for several sprays.”

If they have nothing to hide, why are they issuing gag orders?

And what legal right do they have to tell citizens who they speak to?
Maybe they can smell the lawsuits coming.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 04, 2023, 06:06:48 AM
everytime something bad happens and people claim it was the jab, or anytime someone has the sniffles and people claim it's covid,  I'm reminded of this from "Kindergarten Cop"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTO8_KNcuo
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 04, 2023, 08:02:26 AM
The silence is ominous.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/the-most-likely-scenario-is-that
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Lucifer on January 04, 2023, 10:02:49 AM
“Safe and Effective”
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: elwood blues on January 04, 2023, 10:46:13 AM
Philosophical question:  If you were dating, would you consider, at this point, marrying someone who has the vaccine?
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 04, 2023, 11:01:21 AM
The great thing about speculation like this is that:
(1) There appears to be no way to disprove your favorite thesis, so you can safely suggest it ad nauseam to the world.
(2) If any contrary evidence is brought forth it can be attacked as untrustworthy because it comes from  authoritarian conspirators.

I'm a big fan of mass anti-authoritarianism, but that doesn't make emotionally driven conclusions of the masses inherently valid. In my very humble opinion it is dangerous to become emotionally invested in fallacious reasoning in pursuit of an otherwise noble goal. Something about becoming that which you are opposing.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 04, 2023, 11:03:15 AM
Philosophical question:  If you were dating, would you consider, at this point, marrying someone who has the vaccine?

I think a fair number of pilotspin posters and their spouses have been vaccinated.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Lucifer on January 04, 2023, 11:04:45 AM
Philosophical question:  If you were dating, would you consider, at this point, marrying someone who has the vaccine?

If she were wealthy and no children?   😉
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Anthony on January 04, 2023, 11:53:28 AM
Philosophical question:  If you were dating, would you consider, at this point, marrying someone who has the vaccine?

Not philosophically, but I'm actually pondering that right now.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: elwood blues on January 04, 2023, 11:56:12 AM
Bachelorette #1: Young, wants to start a family, was forced to get the vaccine.
Bachelorette #2: Young, will have children, got the vaccine because she trusts the science, would like you and the kids vaccinated.
Bachelorette #3: Older, no kids, significant wealth, got the vaccine in good faith.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Anthony on January 04, 2023, 11:58:13 AM
The great thing about speculation like this is that:
(1) There appears to be no way to disprove your favorite thesis, so you can safely suggest it ad nauseam to the world.
(2) If any contrary evidence is brought forth it can be attacked as untrustworthy because it comes from  authoritarian conspirators.

I'm a big fan of mass anti-authoritarianism, but that doesn't make emotionally driven conclusions of the masses inherently valid. In my very humble opinion it is dangerous to become emotionally invested in fallacious reasoning in pursuit of an otherwise noble goal. Something about becoming that which you are opposing.

Wow. You are really smarter than everyone else.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Lucifer on January 04, 2023, 12:05:18 PM
Wow. You are really smarter than everyone else.

🙄😏
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Rush on January 04, 2023, 12:41:21 PM
Not philosophically, but I'm actually pondering that right now.

wait.... WHAT?!
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 04, 2023, 12:41:51 PM
Wow. You are really smarter than everyone else.

That's a great counter-argument. Wish I had thought of it but you are smarter than me. Mind if I steal it?
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Little Joe on January 04, 2023, 12:43:22 PM
Philosophical question:  If you were dating, would you consider, at this point, marrying someone who has the vaccine?
TBH, vaccine status had absolutely nothing to do with the reason or person I married.
There was the number 1 reason, and then there were a bunch of other considerations that all combined didn't add up to number 1.

Now though, almost 40 years later, I might give added weight to those other considerations.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: nddons on January 04, 2023, 01:13:03 PM
The great thing about speculation like this is that:
(1) There appears to be no way to disprove your favorite thesis, so you can safely suggest it ad nauseam to the world.
(2) If any contrary evidence is brought forth it can be attacked as untrustworthy because it comes from  authoritarian conspirators.

I'm a big fan of mass anti-authoritarianism, but that doesn't make emotionally driven conclusions of the masses inherently valid. In my very humble opinion it is dangerous to become emotionally invested in fallacious reasoning in pursuit of an otherwise noble goal. Something about becoming that which you are opposing.
Occam’s Razor says that it’s Commotio cordis. But I see no need to dismiss, or worse, silence speculation that it could be the vax, or something else. There is clearly something afoot with young athletes dying suddenly. I don’t believe it’s just anecdotal.  Let’s let it all play out.
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: jb1842 on January 04, 2023, 02:02:20 PM
Bachelorette #1: Young, wants to start a family, was forced to get the vaccine.
Bachelorette #2: Young, will have children, got the vaccine because she trusts the science, would like you and the kids vaccinated.
Bachelorette #3: Older, no kids, significant wealth, got the vaccine in good faith.

How old is #3? How much wealth? Private mega-yatch and buy me a P-51 wealth?
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on January 04, 2023, 05:11:52 PM
everytime something bad happens and people claim it was the jab, or anytime someone has the sniffles and people claim it's covid,  I'm reminded of this from "Kindergarten Cop"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTO8_KNcuo
Now who can argue with that?
Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 04, 2023, 05:18:27 PM
Now who can argue with that?

this is the interweb.... just about anyone will...

Title: Re: 24 Year Old NFL Player Collapses On Field - Stops Breathing
Post by: Anthony on January 05, 2023, 03:12:40 AM
That's a great counter-argument. Wish I had thought of it but you are smarter than me. Mind if I steal it?

Jim, it's so obvious what's going on. No worries mate.