PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 27, 2021, 07:44:12 AM
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No more Mr Potato Head
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We have gender neutral potatoes now, at least in the name. The company claims you can still have your Mr. and Mrs. I guess you have to use other clues to figure out which you are buying. Or are all kits now coming with both parts? Plus parts not discernible.
The weird thing is, all the trannies I hung with, not a one wanted to be genderless. They all honored and revered the gender they wanted to be. All this social scrubbing of gender differences seems to be exactly opposite of their values. If anything they exaggerate their desired gender characteristics, they want to be very feminine or very masculine.
There’s an extremely rare minority of intersexed people who don’t want to be either male or female, but I didn’t know any. The ones I knew the whole point would have been wanting to buy “Mrs. Potato Head” for the Mrs. part.
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I'm done with this nonsense.
Just like the nutcase Dr Levine from PA. It's a guy dressed up as a woman. It's not a woman, and I refuse to address these freaks as something they are not.
There are only two genders, period. And the science is settled.
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I'm done with this nonsense.
Just like the nutcase Dr Levine from PA. It's a guy dressed up as a woman. It's not a woman, and I refuse to address these freaks as something they are not.
There are only two genders, period. And the science is settled.
She is badly in need of facial feminization surgery. She looks like a man in a wig which just makes her look like a heterosexual cross dresser.
I have no problem with her wanting to live as a female. I have a big problem with her (and anyone) supporting the Democrat party.
It remains to be seen how she performs in the Biden administration. Her areas of focus in PA are LGBT rights and health issues, and the opioid crisis. I don’t have big problems with how she has handled either of those, some of what she advocates I agree with, some I don’t, but she’s no worse than the average bureaucrat in those areas and a lot better than some.
Her handling of covid of course is atrocious, she is as compassionless as all the leftist lunatics about the destruction of our society caused by masks, shutdowns and social distancing. This I cannot forgive.
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He needs to figure out that if he has a Y chromosome, he is *not* a woman. If he wants to dress like a woman, that's his problem.
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She is badly in need of facial feminization surgery. She looks like a man in a wig which just makes her look like a heterosexual cross dresser.
I have no problem with her wanting to live as a female. I have a big problem with her (and anyone) supporting the Democrat party.
It remains to be seen how she performs in the Biden administration. Her areas of focus in PA are LGBT rights and health issues, and the opioid crisis. I don’t have big problems with how she has handled either of those, some of what she advocates I agree with, some I don’t, but she’s no worse than the average bureaucrat in those areas and a lot better than some.
Her handling of covid of course is atrocious, she is as compassionless as all the leftist lunatics about the destruction of our society caused by masks, shutdowns and social distancing. This I cannot forgive.
He got his own mother out of assisted care before he placed the draconian rules on everyone else.
He also thinks a 3 year old is capable of making a gender reassignment decision.
He is a fuckin’ lunatic cross dresser that has zero business deciding what healthcare the rest of us need.
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Let's be honest.
Liberals are stupid.
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He got his own mother out of assisted care before he placed the draconian rules on everyone else.
He also thinks a 3 year old is capable of making a gender reassignment decision.
He is a fuckin’ lunatic cross dresser that has zero business deciding what healthcare the rest of us need.
Spot on. He's just a deranged faggot looking for attention. Douche bag too, for what he did with his mohter.
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I'm done with this nonsense.
Just like the nutcase Dr Levine from PA. It's a guy dressed up as a woman. It's not a woman, and I refuse to address these freaks as something they are not.
There are only two genders, period. And the science is settled.
I’ve not been faced with having to address a trans person as “she” when he’s really a “he,” or visa versa. However, I see no sense in indulging a mentally ill person with a fraudulent pronoun just because he or she wants to deny science.
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Y’all know where I stand on this. Transgenderism is real, although I believe it’s an abnormality, not a variation on normal biology. I see no virtue in calling them names or adding to their discomfort by not addressing them with their preferred pronouns, though I don’t agree with mandating it by law. As I said, my problem with these people is that they’ve hitched their star to an authoritarian fascist communist party. For that, I’ll call them fucking evil tyrants but I won’t call them faggots. As far as their “condition” is concerned they need understanding and compassion, not hate and ridicule. They didn’t choose this, why would anyone choose to suffer as miserably as they do? To the point of suicide like my TG friend.
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Y’all know where I stand on this. Transgenderism is real, although I believe it’s an abnormality, not a variation on normal biology. I see no virtue in calling them names or adding to their discomfort by not addressing them with their preferred pronouns, though I don’t agree with mandating it by law. As I said, my problem with these people is that they’ve hitched their star to an authoritarian fascist communist party. For that, I’ll call them fucking evil tyrants but I won’t call them faggots. As far as their “condition” is concerned they need understanding and compassion, not hate and ridicule. They didn’t choose this, why would anyone choose to suffer as miserably as they do? To the point of suicide like my TG friend.
No problem, you have valid reasons for your position.
But some of these people, like Levin and Jenner as an example, are pure nutcases. Outside of the cross dressing they have really lunatic ideals, and amplify it with their transgenderism. Levin was a quack doctor when he dressed as a man, and he's still a quack dressed up as a woman, but uses his crossdressing as a way to deflect from his malpractice.
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Y’all know where I stand on this. Transgenderism is real, although I believe it’s an abnormality, not a variation on normal biology. I see no virtue in calling them names or adding to their discomfort by not addressing them with their preferred pronouns, though I don’t agree with mandating it by law. As I said, my problem with these people is that they’ve hitched their star to an authoritarian fascist communist party. For that, I’ll call them fucking evil tyrants but I won’t call them faggots. As far as their “condition” is concerned they need understanding and compassion, not hate and ridicule. They didn’t choose this, why would anyone choose to suffer as miserably as they do? To the point of suicide like my TG friend.
I agree.
There are stupid people of all persuasions.
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Y’all know where I stand on this. Transgenderism is real, although I believe it’s an abnormality, not a variation on normal biology. I see no virtue in calling them names or adding to their discomfort by not addressing them with their preferred pronouns, though I don’t agree with mandating it by law. As I said, my problem with these people is that they’ve hitched their star to an authoritarian fascist communist party. For that, I’ll call them fucking evil tyrants but I won’t call them faggots. As far as their “condition” is concerned they need understanding and compassion, not hate and ridicule. They didn’t choose this, why would anyone choose to suffer as miserably as they do? To the point of suicide like my TG friend.
There is no virtue in enabling their fantasy.
Thre is no virtue in denying the science.
But one concept that is lacking in a lot of "discussion" today is to hate the sin, but love the sinner.
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But one concept that is lacking in a lot of "discussion" today is to hate the sin, but love the sinner.
The rule today is: Condemn the sin and crucify the sinner. Destroy their work, their family and banish them to live under a bridge.
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The rule today is: Condemn the sin and crucify the sinner. Destroy their work, their family and banish them to live under a bridge.
That's why Bob said the concept is lacking. Perhaps he should have said non-existent.
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sometimes I understate things...
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The rule today is: Condemn the sin and crucify the sinner. Destroy their work, their family and banish them to live under a bridge.
By whom? Unless you think it’s proper for the government to mandate that a guy who claims to be a girl has a LEGAL right under the Civil Rights Act to shower with girls and destroy girls sports.
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Y’all know where I stand on this. Transgenderism is real, although I believe it’s an abnormality, not a variation on normal biology. I see no virtue in calling them names or adding to their discomfort by not addressing them with their preferred pronouns, though I don’t agree with mandating it by law. As I said, my problem with these people is that they’ve hitched their star to an authoritarian fascist communist party. For that, I’ll call them fucking evil tyrants but I won’t call them faggots. As far as their “condition” is concerned they need understanding and compassion, not hate and ridicule. They didn’t choose this, why would anyone choose to suffer as miserably as they do? To the point of suicide like my TG friend.
Just so you know, I don’t go out of my way to be an asshole to anyone for any reason. The fact is I haven’t known any trans person personally.
I just feel like indulging a myth so someone feels better about themselves, and validating the myth, further mainstreaming it, is damaging to society.
Maybe if I know a trans person I might have a different answer. I just don’t know.
I do know three guys from HS and one from college who are now married gay guys. Doesn’t bother me one bit, because they are the same guys I knew. They aren’t asking me to treat them differently from our younger days, and I don’t treat them any differently. A trans person would be asking me to treat them differently. That’s a bridge too far for me.
I do think the gay movement erred when adding the T to their alphabet soup.
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Just thought I'd throw this out:
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/02/court-allows-trumps-old-miss-usa-pageant-exclude-transgender-woman/
Why is it ok for a transgender woman to be allowed to play women's sports where they are going to have an automatic advantage, but can't participate in a beauty pageant, where they will have a disadvantage?
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Just thought I'd throw this out:
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/02/court-allows-trumps-old-miss-usa-pageant-exclude-transgender-woman/
Why is it ok for a transgender woman to be allowed to play women's sports where they are going to have an automatic advantage, but can't participate in a beauty pageant, where they will have a disadvantage?
Think she has a disadvantage?
(http://travelnanna.com/content/images/2017/09/Chananchida-Blossom-Rungpetcharat.jpg)
or her?
(http://travelnanna.com/content/images/2017/09/Jiratchaya-Mo-Shirmongkolnawin.jpg)
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how many of the real women would want to lose to a guy?
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By whom? Unless you think it’s proper for the government to mandate that a guy who claims to be a girl has a LEGAL right under the Civil Rights Act to shower with girls and destroy girls sports.
I agree they should not be allowed to compete in women’s sports. They have a biological strength advantage that doesn’t go away with transitioning. That’s not fair to (born as) women.
As for showering, if they’ve had the bottom surgery (now have a vagina and no penis) I have no problem allowing them to use women’s restrooms and showers, but I’m firmly against codifying that in law as a “right”. How would you enforce it anyway? How do you enforce it now? Either way government has no business being involved. Schools however should stick to boys only and girls only, the gender you started off with. Better yet, shut down all the public schools, they're nothing but Marxist indoctrination camps anyway.
Just so you know, I don’t go out of my way to be an asshole to anyone for any reason. The fact is I haven’t known any trans person personally.
I just feel like indulging a myth so someone feels better about themselves, and validating the myth, further mainstreaming it, is damaging to society.
Maybe if I know a trans person I might have a different answer. I just don’t know.
I do know three guys from HS and one from college who are now married gay guys. Doesn’t bother me one bit, because they are the same guys I knew. They aren’t asking me to treat them differently from our younger days, and I don’t treat them any differently. A trans person would be asking me to treat them differently. That’s a bridge too far for me.
I do think the gay movement erred when adding the T to their alphabet soup.
I agree about gays and trans, they are completely different. I view gays as a normal biological variation. There are simply too many homosexual examples in the animal kingdom and too many gays that are otherwise very mentally healthy and normal, and they may even have an evolutionary function (the gay uncle directs resources to his siblings’ children, thus increasing their chance of survival and reproduction.) In other words, God (or Mother Nature) deliberately made them as a stable percent of us for a reason. (The Bible’s abomination phrase notwithstanding.)
None of that is true for transgenderism. Some of TG is caused by actual chromosomal abnormalities. Most, I predict, will eventually be shown to result from abnormal hormonal variations during gestation. At least until recently. Unfortunately in recent years some are simply TG wannabes brainwashed by PC culture and the left.
The biggest problem male to female TGs have is that their masculine features create intense discomfort. I think that’s what causes the hostility. I understand it, I feel it myself. It’s extremely jarring to see a “woman’s” face with the heavy brow, longer nose, stronger jaw, longer chin, deeper voice, all screaming “this is a threatening male” because that’s what male faces are intended to project: strength and a willingness to fight. Male faces signal "Don't fuck with me," while female faces signal, "Come fuck me," on an instinctive subconscious level. When regular men present themselves as a male the intimidating face is no problem, we all deal with it appropriately as per the social and sexual rules for homo sapiens. But when a biological male presents himself as female, unless he has facial surgery, all the cues are out of whack. You don't have the soothing, inviting feminine facial structure. Instead you have the face that says, "I could possibly be dangerous, I'm a strong male." It simply doesn't work.
There are other bodily issues too of course, the muscle mass, waist to hip ratio, the walk, arm and shoulder proportions, but the biggest one is the face. This is one reason the TG researchers talk about starting hormone therapy in childhood. If you start hormone therapy before puberty you can ameliorate a lot of this, but in my opinion we don't know nearly enough about this yet to risk exposing children to transition therapy before adulthood and risk them regretting it later. But I also don't think we just dismiss the whole thing as a "myth" and not try to figure out why these people are this way and how best to help them.
Female to male TGs have issues too but that's another story.
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stolen from POA's joke thread...
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Won't they lock the thread mow. ;D
I bet that gets deleted very soon.
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This video just came to my attention and I thought it might fit in with this thread. The couple in the video are in Mumbai India and looks like they do reaction videos to western music. Kind of amusing when they realize what the song is about. Good advice at the end. ;D
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Think she has a disadvantage?
(http://travelnanna.com/content/images/2017/09/Chananchida-Blossom-Rungpetcharat.jpg)
or her?
(http://travelnanna.com/content/images/2017/09/Jiratchaya-Mo-Shirmongkolnawin.jpg)
Is that a guy?
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Is that a guy?
Your answer is here:
http://travelnanna.com/the-10-most-beautiful-ladyboys-in-thailand-2017/ (http://travelnanna.com/the-10-most-beautiful-ladyboys-in-thailand-2017/)
As the one reviewer said in the video I posted: “It’s a very important song you should listen to before heading for a trip to southeast Asia, specifically Thailand and Cambodia.”
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Your answer is here:
http://travelnanna.com/the-10-most-beautiful-ladyboys-in-thailand-2017/ (http://travelnanna.com/the-10-most-beautiful-ladyboys-in-thailand-2017/)
As the one reviewer said in the video I posted: “It’s a very important song you should listen to before heading for a trip to southeast Asia, specifically Thailand and Cambodia.”
Ewwww.........
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It seems a lot easier for Asian men to pass as women. Asians have flatter faces so the sexual dimorphism is less pronounced but they still have surgery. They shave off the Adam’s apple too which gives me the creeps to think about.
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It seems a lot easier for Asian men to pass as women. Asians have flatter faces so the sexual dimorphism is less pronounced but they still have surgery. They shave off the Adam’s apple too which gives me the creeps to think about.
The entire sex change process is sickening and creepy.
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The entire sex change process is sickening and creepy.
and a gross waste of medical resources.
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The entire sex change process is sickening and creepy.
Rush (Limbaugh) used to talk about the addadicktome surgery. Lol
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Read this if you really want to creep yourself out.
http://gomag.com/article/hard-coping-complications-gender-affirmation-surgery/
The very last statement is mind blowing:
Simpson said her only regret is her choice of surgeons and can accept that. “What I can’t accept is being shrugged off. I am a woman who has a right to a functional anatomy. Any woman, cisgender or transgender, would feel that way. What are we going to do about that?”
She’s still waiting for that question to be answered.
No, you do NOT have a “right” to a functional female anatomy, and then put it on the surgeons and society to provide it to you, then get mad at them when you have major complications from butchering your perfectly healthy original male equipment.
But these people are so unhappy with their plumbing that they don’t regret having the surgery despite everything that went wrong. Or at least that’s what they claim. Maybe, in their circle of activists, it is taboo to have regrets. That doesn’t fit the identity politics agenda. (There are those who regret it, I imagine they are shunned by the trans social media groups.)
Just like with covid19 this issue has become so contaminated by politics that there is no chance of objectively studying it and finding real solutions. One theory of mine is that they develop a hatred of their penis (or vagina) and have a fantasy about what it would be like to have the other. This would explain not regretting no longer having a penis, because at least you got half of what you wanted.
There is a condition called xenomelia, where a person hates one of their perfectly healthy limbs, usually a leg, and wants it amputated. There’s an obvious analogy here at least with the male to female trans, but I’m not saying transgenderism is a subset of xenomelia. In fact, there are men who aren’t trans at all but want their penis removed. This is classed as a psychological disorder. But I say all psychological disorders have a basis in physical biochemistry. They have to, because all thought and feeling corresponds to molecular and electrical activity in the physical brain.
This is why I believe more research is needed to figure out why these people are so convinced they should be the other gender. Despite the risk of complications they are going to be driven to do these surgeries. Personally, I would never, but then I oppose any surgery on healthy tissue. But as long as these people are going to do this, they should be fully informed of all the possible complications including loss of sensation, loss of ability to orgasm, urinary incontinence, rectal damage, etc. Under NO circumstances should a child have these surgeries; I’m even opposed to infant circumcision.
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and a gross waste of medical resources.
Rush (Limbaugh) used to talk about the addadicktome surgery. Lol
Maybe not a total waste of resources. I read a book called “Grunt” by Mary Roach. She talks extensively about rebuilding the genitals of soldiers injured by an IED. It’s more common than you want to know. Maybe female to male transition surgery helps us gain knowledge to benefit those soldiers.
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Maybe not a total waste of resources. I read a book called “Grunt” by Mary Roach. She talks extensively about rebuilding the genitals of soldiers injured by an IED. It’s more common than you want to know. Maybe female to male transition surgery helps us gain knowledge to benefit those soldiers.
I understand the real need to repair damage (e.g., combat wounds, accidents, etc). And the sad reality is that some medical advances have occurred because of the need caused by combat/war.
However, it is ludicrous to try to justify wasting medical resources mutilating someone's body in order to improve the medical knowledge needed to help people wounded in combat.
Medical resources are not infinite.
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I understand the real need to repair damage (e.g., combat wounds, accidents, etc). And the sad reality is that some medical advances have occurred because of the need caused by combat/war.
However, it is ludicrous to try to justify wasting medical resources mutilating someone's body in order to improve the medical knowledge needed to help people wounded in combat.
Medical resources are not infinite.
But if the person pays for it out of pocket, they should be free to do so. The problem is that it’s been politicized and framed as a discrimination issue when it is nothing of the kind. For example, insurance will pay to remove a woman’s uterus for medically necessary reasons such as cancer. Obama’s anti discrimination rule said because you will pay for this woman’s hysterectomy, therefore to deny removing a transgender woman’s uterus because she identifies as a man, is discrimination.
That’s insane. One’s got nothing to do with the other. But that’s the left for you. It opens up the floodgates for spending other people’s money to have surgery you want for reasons not related to medical necessity. And no, psychological reasons don’t count. If they did, then insurance should pay to amputate the healthy leg of the person with xenomelia. Everyone knows that would be insane but because transgenderism is now a political hot potato nobody dares question that to deny them surgery is bigoted discrimination- when in reality it’s nothing of the kind.
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But if the person pays for it out of pocket, they should be free to do so.
true.
Of course there is the whole "first, do no harm" oath, but today oaths don't mean what they used to.
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What numbers are we talking about? How many people of one sex truly believe that they should be the other sex? I mean truly believe.
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What numbers are we talking about? How many people of one sex truly believe that they should be the other sex? I mean truly believe.
Good question. Currently 0.6% of adults in the U.S. identify as transgender but that’s twice what it was a decade ago. They claim it’s because in the past they just wouldn’t admit it but I dispute that. I suspect part of the reason is that there are a lot of pseudo transgender (not to be confused with pseudo hermaphroditism which is an actual legitimate condition caused by an androgen receptor gene mutation preventing chromosomal males from from developing male features while in the womb - we all start out as female).
Where was I? Oh yeah, the “cultural appropriation” of LBGT issues by the left for reasons of identity politics results in constant media bombardment into the minds of young people, who are malleable and easily convinced of whatever. I think there are a whole lot of fake TGs that wouldn’t have ever considered it a generation ago. Yes there are some who kept quiet, so the additional 0.3% is probably composed of both those groups.
...or has the increase of soy in our food supply actually caused a true increase in male to female TGs? I’m being half facetious but only half. The truth is we simply don’t know.
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Good question. Currently 0.6% of adults in the U.S. identify as transgender but that’s twice what it was a decade ago. They claim it’s because in the past they just wouldn’t admit it but I dispute that. I suspect part of the reason is that there are a lot of pseudo transgender (not to be confused with pseudo hermaphroditism which is an actual legitimate condition caused by an androgen receptor gene mutation preventing chromosomal males from from developing male features while in the womb - we all start out as female).
Where was I? Oh yeah, the “cultural appropriation” of LBGT issues by the left for reasons of identity politics results in constant media bombardment into the minds of young people, who are malleable and easily convinced of whatever. I think there are a whole lot of fake TGs that wouldn’t have ever considered it a generation ago. Yes there are some who kept quiet, so the additional 0.3% is probably composed of both those groups.
...or has the increase of soy in our food supply actually caused a true increase in male to female TGs? I’m being half facetious but only half. The truth is we simply don’t know.
2 million TG in the US? 40,000 per state? That seems really high.
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2 million TG in the US? 40,000 per state? That seems really high.
check your math...
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2 million TG in the US? 40,000 per state? That seems really high.
CDC estimate is 1 million TGs: https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/transgender/index.html (https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/transgender/index.html)
FAA estimates 0.66 million Pilots: https://www.faa.gov/data_research/aviation_data_statistics/civil_airmen_statistics/ (https://www.faa.gov/data_research/aviation_data_statistics/civil_airmen_statistics/)
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CDC estimate is 1 million TGs: https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/transgender/index.html (https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/transgender/index.html)
That was 2017, I think .6% translates to about 1.4 million today. But it’s all an estimate.
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check your math...
Are you busting my balls because of rounding Bob?
330,000,000 Americans x .006 (0.6%) = 1,980,000.
Round to 2,000,000.
2,000,000 / 50 states = 40,000 per state.
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I know a few gays and lesbians. While they are all for transgender rights, they do not think they belong to be lumped in the same group as them. They feel the left has hijacked their group and convoluted their issues and that transgender issues are mostly different than gay/lesbian issues.
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In the late 80's I was the Manager of Education at a local Technical School that taught electronics. I hired a teacher full-time name Rodney Jones. He always wore a sweater and talked about having to have his face scraped due to Agent Orange exposure. His hair was quite long also. I mentioned his hair once and he got upset about it. He was a big guy, along the lines of Levine. Not long after that he went to the Director and told her he was taking a leave of absence to get a sex change. We got letters from the state telling us that on that date we would have to close his file and pretend he didn't exist anymore. He had not been with the company long enough to truly warrant a leave of absence so we told him we would be filling his position and he could apply again if we had an opening.
Some time after his operation and transformation to Rhonda he showed up at the school one day. Our receptionist at the time was this sweet little old Baptist lady. When he/she came through the door she told him/her to have a seat and she went to get the director and then she headed to the back of the building. One of our instructors, a young black man, went to the lobby and looked at Rhonda and said, "Rodney, that be's you in there?" He didn't hang around long and left and we never saw him again.
I was teaching and youth group of HS aged kids at church one Sunday night and told this story. A lady that was helping me that night said she had likely met Rhonda/Rodney and that he worked for the state fixing printers.
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Are you busting my balls because of rounding Bob?
330,000,000 Americans x .006 (0.6%) = 1,980,000.
Round to 2,000,000.
2,000,000 / 50 states = 40,000 per state.
I would think most of them are in blue states.
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Are you busting my balls because of rounding Bob?
330,000,000 Americans x .006 (0.6%) = 1,980,000.
Round to 2,000,000.
2,000,000 / 50 states = 40,000 per state.
No. "adults"
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No. "adults"
Ok, got me there. Too bad it’s beyond my give a shit range to want to look that number up.
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another one stolen from POA:
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It’s not about any of that.
Communists (democrats) tend to be so obsessed with getting attention that they do ANYTHING to get it, including pretending to be offended by a 70 year old plastic toy.
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and one more from POA