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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 28, 2020, 04:54:36 AM

Title: Financial incentive to continue the feardemic
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 28, 2020, 04:54:36 AM
Maskachusetts is charging out-of-state workers state income tax even though these workers have not been allowed to work in the State.  And this will continue to 31 Dec 2020 or 1 month after the feardemic ends... whichever is later.

Title: Re: Financial incentive to continue the feardemic
Post by: bflynn on August 28, 2020, 05:43:53 PM
Maskachusetts is charging out-of-state workers state income tax even though these workers have not been allowed to work in the State.  And this will continue to 31 Dec 2020 or 1 month after the feardemic ends... whichever is later.

I don't understand this.  I'm an out of state worker relative to Massachusetts.  But they won't be taxing me, I haven't been in that state for over a decade.

Who are the out-of-state workers?
Title: Re: Financial incentive to continue the feardemic
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 28, 2020, 06:47:23 PM
I don't understand this.  I'm an out of state worker relative to Massachusetts.  But they won't be taxing me, I haven't been in that state for over a decade.

Who are the out-of-state workers?

From https://www.masslive.com/politics/2020/08/an-emergency-order-allows-massachusetts-to-collect-taxes-from-out-of-state-employees-working-from-home-now-new-hampshire-is-investigating-its-legality.html (https://www.masslive.com/politics/2020/08/an-emergency-order-allows-massachusetts-to-collect-taxes-from-out-of-state-employees-working-from-home-now-new-hampshire-is-investigating-its-legality.html):

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An emergency order allows Massachusetts to collect taxes from out-of-state employees working from home, now New Hampshire is investigating its legality

The New Hampshire Department of Justice announced it will review the the taxing methods of states like Massachusetts during the coronavirus pandemic.

The move was prompted by an emergency action taken by Massachusetts on July 21 that requires residents in other states who were working in Massachusetts before the pandemic to be subject to Massachusetts’ income tax while they work from home.

Normally, income tax is based off of the location a person works. During the pandemic, many New Hampshire residents, who normally commute to Massachusetts for work, are working from home, meaning their location of occupation is in a state that doesn’t collect income tax.

“We need to maintain that New Hampshire advantage at all costs,” New Hamshire Gov. Chris Sununu said in a statement. “We will take immediate steps to stop any attempts to impose income taxes on Granite Staters in a manner that violates the law or the New Hampshire or United States Constitution.”

The regulation is in effect until Dec. 31 or 90 days after the state of emergency in Massachusetts is lifted.

More than 83,000 New Hampshire residents commute to Massachusetts for work - more than any other state, according to state data.

State Sens. Dan Feltes and Lou D'Allesandro also sent a letter Wednesday to the Massachusetts Department of Revenue calling the move "unfair, anti-worker and anti-public health."

A virtual public hearing on the issue will be held Aug. 27 by the Massachusetts Department of Revenue. In the description of the hearing, it says other states have adopted similar orders amid the pandemic.
Title: Re: Financial incentive to continue the feardemic
Post by: bflynn on August 29, 2020, 01:16:39 AM
Ah...people who used to work there but don’t anymore.

So how is that different than if I worked there in Jan and then left and started working on another state?  Doesn’t feel legal.
Title: Re: Financial incentive to continue the feardemic
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 29, 2020, 02:43:07 AM
Ah...people who used to work there but don’t anymore.

So how is that different than if I worked there in Jan and then left and started working on another state?  Doesn’t feel legal.

What I left out was that the out-of-state worker is working for a company with a presence in Taxachusetts. 

Example:  if you (say a resident of NH) worked for an engineering firm where your normal place of employment was in Taxachusetts, you'd pay State income tax on your wages for the portion of your employment when you are in Taxachusetts.  However, if you had a business trip that took you to a location outside of Taxachusetts, your work those days would not be taxed.

Title: Re: Financial incentive to continue the feardemic
Post by: Lucifer on August 29, 2020, 06:22:26 AM
Ya know.....all Mass needs to do is send a tax bill to everyone in the other 49 states,,,,well.......because............
Title: Re: Financial incentive to continue the feardemic
Post by: Old Crow on August 29, 2020, 08:36:14 AM
Because of the pandemic government is losing money so when the legislatures are in session hang on to your wallets!  It will get worse.