PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 11, 2016, 11:36:32 PM
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Should HRC be whisked aside, never to answer for her nefarious deeds, in order for the nation to heal and move forward? Would such action indeed heal us, or would it merely reaffirm the belief that the powerful can walk and that our leaders aren't subject to the same laws we are?
Or should all appropriate investigations and charges be pursued as they would be if a non-Clinton had done the same things? Would the embarrassing display of charges, trials and verdicts and perhaps imprisonment shock and offend the violent snowflakes, who would burn flags outside Chappaqua and blame Trump for fabricating all the charges?
If you were President, what would you do?
I would pursue, and Katy bar the door. It is time for rule of law.
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I think the actual charges need to be brought to light and proved in court beyond a reasonable doubt, and the sentence be fines, probation, and restriction from ever holding office. For the whole pack of them.
Maybe jail for some of the lower level pawns. Pawns always get sacrificed.
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Morally, the answer is easy. Politically, the answer is much more difficult. Clinton certainly deserves to be tried for her alleged crimes as any other ordinary citizen would. She broke a lot of laws and has thus far gotten away with it. It set a bad precedent for the country to see her just walk. I said in another thread that the Justice Department and FBI should continue their investigation and then go from there. Trump can stay out of it by not commenting and allowing the process to move forward so he's not seen as interfering with an investigation.
The political realities may be different. Right now the country would agree with trying her and letting the process move forward. This will have to happen quickly or else the momentum is lost and it looks like petty politics. The Democrats will do their best to spin this and say that the Republicans are just targeting poor Hillary and that's not what's supposed to happen nor will it bring the country together (never mind the IRS scandal, among the others, targeting conservatives).
Sometimes the right thing isn't always the easy, or politically expedient, thing.
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Perhaps if hillary were to publically fess up to the illegal and questionable actions, a Presidential pardon would be less controversial.
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Perhaps if hillary were to publically fess up to the illegal and questionable actions, a Presidential pardon would be less controversial.
That was my thought. If she would completely allocute to all of her schemes and crimes, I would be ok with a Presidential padon. But it would be better if it came from Trump than Obama. If Obama issues it, it will just look like another coverup.
But the chances of a Clinton completely allocuting to their crimes is nil. In their mind, they did nothing wrong.
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My feeling is if the FBI proceeds and a grand jury is called, and Hillary is indicted, the next thing we see is Hillary in a wheelchair and finally acknowledge what's physically wrong with her.
Of course if sentenced, she will be too ill to serve a prison term.
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And Soros? Could he be investigated? I read that in Austin, many of the protestors were bussed in. That speaks of a guiding hand.
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It is time some friendly bullet took up residence in his head. Sorts is our enemy, not our trade partner.
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Not appropriate
Completely inappropriate statement. Nobody should wish physical harm on anyone. If you want to talk about going after him in the courts then fine, but that's uncalled for wishing for someone's assassination.
It also gives credibility to the anti-Trump protestors who say that he (and by extension, his supporters) are racists, bigots, full of hate, etc.
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Completely disagree.
Soros is hiring mercenaries/people to assault Americans for participating in a free election.
He is a foreigner who has waged economic war on America for decades and a bullet is his rightful legacy IMO.
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Completely disagree.
Soros is hiring mercenaries/people to assault Americans for participating in a free election.
He is a foreigner who has waged economic war on America for decades and a bullet is his rightful legacy IMO.
At 86 I would just hope Mother Nature and the grim reaper would take their course.
He is a vile human being.
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At 86 I would just hope Mother Nature and the grim reaper would take their course.
He is a vile human being.
Totally agree. However, Soros's sons will take over for him.
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Totally agree. However, Soros's sons will take over for him.
I don't think they have the zeal for this like the old man. I see them enjoying his money and moving on.
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When a foreign interest hires people to attack Americans it should be treated as an act of war and punished with all the zeal necessary to remind people you don't do it again.
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I like this approach very much. I think Hillary would comply, but with undertones of " it wasn't my fault I did what I did."
Trump ought to offer a general pardon to everyone involved in these scandals, given the following. (1) Each person, under oath and penalty of perjury, must offer complete written confessions of all bad conduct the individual committed or knew about. (2) The individual pardoned testifies before a joint congressional investigative committed and, because of the pardon, cannot take the Fifth Amendment – here, as with the sworn statement, any false or misleading testimony would be cause for instantly seeking indictments for perjury and obstruction of justice. (3) Every one of these unsavory characters who is also an attorney (which is to say, almost all of them) must submit, at a minimum, to a public reprimand and in egregious cases with suspension of his license to practice law. (4) Those holdouts who angrily protest their innocence even as everyone around them provides details of bad deeds, including many we will just have learned about, must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/11/how_to_handle_hillarys_crimes.html#ixzz4QCHjhVMG
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I like this approach very much. I think Hillary would comply, but with undertones of " it wasn't my fault I did what I did."
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/11/how_to_handle_hillarys_crimes.html#ixzz4QCHjhVMG
I don't trust Hillary or any of her associates not to find technical, legal loopholes to get around this. I don't think Hillary would comply because she's already answered the same way numerous times. Not to mention this is likely political suicide for Democrats for quite some time because they were complicit in allowing it to happen without so much of a question being asked. That is, of course, until Comey re-opened the case.
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I sure would like to see the confessions, but I don't think it would ever happen. These people are convinced of the rightness of their cause and the ends justify the means.
And some of the crap goes back to the 1990s and Arkansas.
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Not enough information
I'd like to see and understand the evidence for myself, without filters. Then I want to understand why the decisions that have been made were made that way.
After that I could make a decision.
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Read this morning that Clinton's surrogates are moving on Obama to pardon HRC. But really, that would be a huge mistake, I think. We need as a country to put this thing to bed through legal channels.
But I bet he will pardon her.
That is his way.
http://www.unz.com/article/assange-clinton-is-a-cog-for-goldman-sachs-the-saudis/
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The democrats had no problem making up stupid shit about Scooter Libby and trying him, so why is indicting Hilary Clinton for known felonies a problem, other than she is pro abortion?
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Read this morning that Clinton's surrogates are moving on Obama to pardon HRC. But really, that would be a huge mistake, I think. We need as a country to put this thing to bed through legal channels.
But I bet he will pardon her.
That is his way.
http://www.unz.com/article/assange-clinton-is-a-cog-for-goldman-sachs-the-saudis/
If hillary had a used a gun in her crimes, she would be almost a lock for a pardon (consider the number of people convicted of gun charges that have been pardoned by obama)
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Read this morning that Clinton's surrogates are moving on Obama to pardon HRC. But really, that would be a huge mistake, I think. We need as a country to put this thing to bed through legal channels.
But I bet he will pardon her.
That is his way.
http://www.unz.com/article/assange-clinton-is-a-cog-for-goldman-sachs-the-saudis/
To a normal peson a pardon would indicate she was guilty and he was protecting her. I'm sure the Democrats will say that she wasn't actually guilty she was just being protected from the witch hunt the evil Republicans were on.
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Ford pardoned Nixon.
"Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974."
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=4696 (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=4696)
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I remember that. As I recall, it was to free the country from the scourge of scandal and move forward.
From a historic perspective, was it a good idea?
It made Ford look complicit. However, if O pardons H, he will be a saint to the left forever. If Trump's administration tries H, Trump will be branded an evil, vindictive tyrant, despite the fact that H broke laws and continued her quest for the WH, and losing, largely because people knew she was not to be trusted. She deceived and betrayed the American people for her selfish, personal ambition.
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Read this morning that Clinton's surrogates are moving on Obama to pardon HRC. But really, that would be a huge mistake, I think. We need as a country to put this thing to bed through legal channels.
But I bet he will pardon her.
That is his way.
http://www.unz.com/article/assange-clinton-is-a-cog-for-goldman-sachs-the-saudis/
Not that I wouldn't like to see her in prison, but a Presidential pardon is a legal channel.
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Actually let me clarify.
When I said "make a decision" above that decision is not about whether or not to prosecute Hillary. The president is above such things and shoildnnever inject himself into a criminal case.
The decision would be about whether or not people inside the FBI and AG office needed to resign for failing to execute justice.
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Actually let me clarify.
When I said "make a decision" above that decision is not about whether or not to prosecute Hillary. The president is above such things and shoildnnever inject himself into a criminal case.
The decision would be about whether or not people inside the FBI and AG office needed to resign for failing to execute justice.
There were reports that resignation letters were "piling up" on Comey's desk after his July statement to the press to not charge her. I'm not sure how true that is and if it was ever confirmed but I haven't seen any reports of FBI agents actually leaving.
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There were reports that resignation letters were "piling up" on Comey's desk after his July statement to the press to not charge her. I'm not sure how true that is and if it was ever confirmed but I haven't seen any reports of FBI agents actually leaving.
So you are in a position that sees when FBI officials leave the agency? Who would publish these "reports"?
Considering the FBI has 35,000 employees would they actually report when any employee leaves?
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So you are in a position that sees when FBI officials leave the agency? Who would publish these "reports"?
Considering the FBI has 35,000 employees would they actually report when any employee leaves?
No, I'm talking about media reports. If there was a wide spread walk out of FBI agents over this then I'm sure the media would be reporting it.
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No, I'm talking about media reports. If there was a wide spread walk out of FBI agents over this then I'm sure the media would be reporting it.
I don't believe the FBI publishes a report to the media when agents resign.
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No, I'm talking about media reports. If there was a wide spread walk out of FBI agents over this then I'm sure the media would be reporting it.
Is that because the media does such a wonderful job or reporting the news, even when it casts a negative light on the current administration, and when such revelation would have been a big boost for Trump?
I think you need to re-examine your trust in the media.
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I don't believe the FBI publishes a report to the media when agents resign.
Now you're just being difficult for no reason. bflynn thought perhaps a decision needed to be made as to whether or not people within the FBI or DOJ should resign over this. I merely pointed out that there were media reports that resignation letters were piling up as a result of Comey's alleged handling of the investigation. That was my only point.
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Is that because the media does such a wonderful job or reporting the news, even when it casts a negative light on the current administration, and when such revelation would have been a big boost for Trump?
I think you need to re-examine your trust in the media.
See my last post in response to Lucifer. I don't have trust in the media, only pointing out what was reported before. Ironically enough, nobody here seemed to have a problem with the media reporting on Comey's second letter to Congress that the investigation was being reopened a week and a half before the election.
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Now you're just being difficult for no reason. bflynn thought perhaps a decision needed to be made as to whether or not people within the FBI or DOJ should resign over this. I merely pointed out that there were media reports that resignation letters were piling up as a result of Comey's alleged handling of the investigation. That was my only point.
"Needed to resign" ="get fired". If anyone in the FBI put politics over the law then they need to exit law enforcement.
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Now you're just being difficult for no reason. bflynn thought perhaps a decision needed to be made as to whether or not people within the FBI or DOJ should resign over this. I merely pointed out that there were media reports that resignation letters were piling up as a result of Comey's alleged handling of the investigation. That was my only point.
Now I"m confused.
Here you say:
I merely pointed out that there were media reports that resignation letters were piling up as a result of Comey's alleged handling of the investigation.
But here you say:
No, I'm talking about media reports. If there was a wide spread walk out of FBI agents over this then I'm sure the media would be reporting it.
So are there media reports of walk-outs by the FBI or not?
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Now I"m confused.
Here you say:But here you say:
So are there media reports of walk-outs by the FBI or not?
In the first I was talking about reports that had come out stating that resignation letters were supposedly stacking up on Comey's desk. The second was talking about if there was an actual walk out of agents of a sizable number as a result of this.