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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on March 20, 2018, 05:27:20 PM
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http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/20/mccain-facebook-biased-conservatives/
This whole Facebook and Cambridge Analytical is a total nothing burger. It's amazing that when Obama's team did the exact same thing in 2012 the MSM said it was genius! Yet when the Trump campaign did it, it's now outrage! and conspiracy!
WTF? Don't people understand the real purpose of Facebook? Don't they understand when they open a FB account they are not the user, they are the product.
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Good for me, not for thee.
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I'll take the risk, and opine that the problem here, kinda like Watergate was not the data-mining by both groups, but the fact that Cambridge Analytica said they deleted the PII taken from FB, and lied about it, then tried to cover up the lie. I don't know if BOs team did anything like that, but it's pretty much the cover-up is always worse than the first crime.
On a related note, anyone that has a FB account deserves all the grief that comes their way. FB didn't come to them and beg a take their data, the lemmings on FB went to them and spread their legs willingly. And worse, those FB members believed that they were the customer of FB! Some are finally learning that FB members aren't the customer, they are the product.
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The stock is only down $20. It is going to go down more as the lemmings jump off. Neither CA nor FB have done anything wrong. It's not like it was a big secret that FB tracks what you do. But the media doesn't care, they just want to attract eyeballs.
It's all a bunch of hype, leading people to follow the crowd. Reminds me quite a bit of you lot.
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That's strange. IMNSHO, the conservative side are much more tolerant and much more diverse in politics and thought than liberals. We started last election cycle with 12 candidates. The liberals started with about 2.5, however we all knew Hillary was the anointed one from the get go. Conservatives in congress, press, courts feel no compunction disagreeing with the GOP and Trump regularly, but no matter how idiotic some ideas seem(unrestricted immigration and 'sanctuary' for illegals), if the left is for it - the entire spectrum of libs are in lock-step with the goofiest of plans.
Stock is 'only' down $20. Last I checked, FB was market cap of $480Bil @ about $180/share. To be rather generous and say this has cost them 10% of their value - that's roughly $48 BILLION dollars in market value lost. And if anyone wants to poopoo this as just paper losses, let me tell you the entire street lives and dies by those paper losses. Along with FB I noted that google has taken a bit of a beating this week as well. Not as bad, but when one player catches a cold in the market, it seems to spread.
I consider the whole thing with Columbia Analytica rather hilarious. Not being subject to their stupidity(or that of the FB droolers), watching from the cheap seats it's like a match made in heaven. Both are reaping what they've sown. Sadly, the gen pop is far too stupid to dump FB. Where would their sense of self-worth be without the reinforcement that everyone 'likes' them? heheheheh
YMMV
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http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/20/mccain-facebook-biased-conservatives/
This whole Facebook and Cambridge Analytical is a total nothing burger. It's amazing that when Obama's team did the exact same thing in 2012 the MSM said it was genius! Yet when the Trump campaign did it, it's now outrage! and conspiracy!
WTF? Don't people understand the real purpose of Facebook? Don't they understand when they open a FB account they are not the user, they are the product.
I don't think it's a nothing burger, but I don't think this has anything to do with politicians or political campaigns. The fall out from this is going to be on Facebook since they knew what was happening and didn't say or do anything about it until the story was about to be published.
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I don't think it's a nothing burger, but I don't think this has anything to do with politicians or political campaigns. The fall out from this is going to be on Facebook since they knew what was happening and didn't say or do anything about it until the story was about to be published.
Go read the TOS for FB, and read the whole thing, word for word.
Anyone who signs up for a FB account is giving FB rights to all information on that account.
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Let us not forget what FB was designed for. Originally it was a way for Hahvahd geeks to get laid. I would say it's likely been most successful at that. As for anything else...
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Let us not forget what FB was designed for. Originally it was a way for Hahvahd geeks to get laid. I would say it's likely been most successful at that. As for anything else...
FB is a huge data mining operation, pure and simple. That data is what makes FB what it’s worth. And people gladly hand over tons of personal data each day.
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Let us not forget what FB was designed for. Originally it was a way for Hahvahd geeks to get laid. I would say it's likely been most successful at that. As for anything else...
FuckBook?
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FB is a huge data mining operation, pure and simple. That data is what makes FB what it’s worth. And people gladly hand over tons of personal data each day.
It's mind boggling.
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Rules of internet sites:
(1) If they offer a service for free to you, you aren't a customer, you are the product being sold.
There are no other rules.
Edit: Sorry, shouldn't have skimmed the thread so quickly - I'm being redundant with what Lucifer posted.
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Edit: Sorry, shouldn't have skimmed the thread so quickly - I'm being redundant with what Lucifer posted.
That is scary. I can't believe you admitted that! ;)
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That is scary. I can't believe you admitted that! ;)
Eventually you all will come over to my side. ;D
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That's strange. IMNSHO, the conservative side are much more tolerant and much more diverse in politics and thought than liberals. We started last election cycle with 12 candidates. The liberals started with about 2.5, however we all knew Hillary was the anointed one from the get go. Conservatives in congress, press, courts feel no compunction disagreeing with the GOP and Trump regularly, but no matter how idiotic some ideas seem(unrestricted immigration and 'sanctuary' for illegals), if the left is for it - the entire spectrum of libs are in lock-step with the goofiest of plans.
Stock is 'only' down $20. Last I checked, FB was market cap of $480Bil @ about $180/share. To be rather generous and say this has cost them 10% of their value - that's roughly $48 BILLION dollars in market value lost. And if anyone wants to poopoo this as just paper losses, let me tell you the entire street lives and dies by those paper losses.
I think it's temporary, although if enough people jump off, it will be real. Contrarian investors are looking at this real hard to determine what FB's real value is in the future, but the only thing affecting it will be how many people leave FB. In the end I think most people value sharing pictures of their babies and dogs and dinners more than they value keeping those things private from the world, so I don't think FB will get hurt too badly in the long run.
Short run...it might become a great buying opportunity. At the moment it is down $16.
As far as which side is more tolerant, I'm not feeling that either side is tolerant unless you already agree with them.
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FB is a huge data mining operation, pure and simple. That data is what makes FB what it’s worth. And people gladly hand over tons of personal data each day.
I don't do Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or any social media where I have to input anything personal about my life. It is creepy to think people voluntarily allow themselves to be used. Yes, I accept missing things from friends, and family. They have my email address, and phone number if they want to talk to me.
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The other thing that bugs me about FB is the amount of time people spend there. This site takes a few minutes a day, but FB users spend hours on there.
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During the run up to the 2016 presidential election, I posted a few positive links about Trump and some negative links about HRC. That apparently flagged me. Since then, everything (yes, everything) I post links to, shows up ONLY on my home page, not in anyone else's feeds. I've tested this with friends' tablets and laptops set up right next to mine, and checked all settings.
Hence, FB is a liberal echo chamber. They are welcome to it.
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The other thing that bugs me about FB is the amount of time people spend there. This site takes a few minutes a day, but FB users spend hours on there.
FB is designed to be addictive and keep people online and engaged, thus more valuable data to be gleaned.
Here recently they were rolling out a program for “Facebook Kids”, get them online and addicted at an early age.
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During the run up to the 2016 presidential election, I posted a few positive links about Trump and some negative links about HRC. That apparently flagged me. Since then, everything (yes, everything) I post links to, shows up ONLY on my home page, not in anyone else's feeds. I've tested this with friends' tablets and laptops set up right next to mine, and checked all settings.
Hence, FB is a liberal echo chamber. They are welcome to it.
Goebbels would have marveled at Facebook and how effective it is as a propaganda tool. Stalin would have been envious.
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Good article from National Review on this:
Guys . . . it’s Facebook, not a Hypno-Ray or Loki’s staff. At the heart of this is the question of whether a Facebook ad or any kind of clever advertising can get you to do something you otherwise would not do. Sure, an image of delicious food can make you hungry, but does it make you go to the restaurant and eat? Does the car commercial showing the guy driving fast through an empty road in the wilderness make you buy the car? Or does it just persuade you that enjoying that experience is worth the cost of the car?
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/is-cambridge-analytica-really-an-information-weapon-in-a-data-war/
He goes on to suggest that this originated with the Obama 2012 campaign but the concept really isn't new, it's essentially marketing.
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Yea but all those pesky Russians used it and convinced die hard Hillary voters to switch their vote to Trump.
It just had to be! ::)
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Yea but all those pesky Russians used it and convinced die hard Hillary voters to switch their vote to Trump.
It just had to be! ::)
I know you're being sarcastic, but that's kind of one of the main points he's making. Nobody took control of you and made you push the lever for either candidate, you willingly chose that candidate. Perhaps the marketing (campaigning) had an effect and swayed your decision, but you still made that decision freely.
It also highlights the fact that if there is an issue in this whole thing, it's that there was a gross abuse of the user data. Even Mark Zuckerberg is coming out admitting that they broke the trust with users.
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Yea, but I’m going to Carl Jrs for a hamburger because really hot supermodels in tiny bikinis eat there!
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Let's ballpark and say that FB is about 70% left leaning, 10% middle road, and 20% right leaning. Add in that management at FB is about 90% seriously left politically. I really can't see how this data mining deal is enough to switch people from Hillary to Trump. My take before, and my take now is all the lipstick in the world couldn't sell that pig to the public. Even though they got the best of media in whole, the best of financing, full and costly support from the DNC, all of the incumbents in the admin, outspent Trump 2.5:1, even after all that, she could only barely win the popular vote. It really should have been 'in the bag' for Hillary. Which means she really really is that bad.
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It's a ridiculous topic. I cannot believe there is a single facebook user who has any serious expectation that what they do on the site is private. For anyone to complain that someone collected information is ludicrous.
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It's a ridiculous topic. I cannot believe there is a single facebook user who has any serious expectation that what they do on the site is private. For anyone to complain that someone collected information is ludicrous.
I agree, it's ridiculous. But the MSM and the left went into a mouth foaming frenzy over it, even after acknowledging BHO did the exact same thing in 2012.
Same with the inane rants of the MSM and the left when President Trump congratulated Putin over the phone recently, again, with full knowledge the BHO did the exact same thing in 2012.
Faux outrage over nothing. Throwing anything and everything against the wall desperately hoping something will stick.
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But but but Russians!!
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It's a ridiculous topic. I cannot believe there is a single facebook user who has any serious expectation that what they do on the site is private. For anyone to complain that someone collected information is ludicrous.
People aren't getting worked up about the privacy issue. They are worked up about the fact that Trump was successful with it. If they can get worked up about which salad dressing he uses, they can get worked up about anything he does.
In another thread you talk about the inconsistency of the right. That pales in comparison to the inconsistency of the left. The Kennedy's, Clinton, even MLK were well known prolific sexual predators and the left was fine with it. Obama manipulated FB data and the left was fine with it. Hillary's many shady, self serving deals were well known and the left was fine with it. Trump gets two scoops of ice cream and the left goes wild.
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But but but Russians!!
But, but........Stormy Daniels!!!
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People aren't getting worked up about the privacy issue. They are worked up about the fact that Trump was successful with it. If they can get worked up about which salad dressing he uses, they can get worked up about anything he does.
Facebook's stock price has had a significant drop since this came out, so I'd say people are getting worked up about privacy issues. The left is getting worked up about the fact that Trump's campaign used it, but that narrative obviously doesn't work given that Obama did the same thing.
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Facebook's stock price has had a significant drop since this came out, so I'd say people are getting worked up about privacy issues. The left is getting worked up about the fact that Trump's campaign used it, but that narrative obviously doesn't work given that Obama did the same thing.
That's not (IMNSHO) due to their concerns about privacy. I think it is more about the hype that they helped Trump win the election. And because people like Elon Musk are urging them to drop Facebook, like he dropped Tesla and SpaceX Facebook accounts.
Regardless, I think that is a good thing.