PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: bflynn on March 23, 2018, 06:13:20 AM
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https://nypost.com/2018/01/19/all-the-dirty-details-of-trumps-alleged-porn-star-affair/
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trump-a-playboy-model-and-a-system-for-concealing-infidelity-national-enquirer-karen-mcdougal
They can't stop trying to advance how many different women he might have had an affair with.
Really? Your accusation is that he is such a bad man that he had an affair with a porn star and a playboy bunny? Yeah, because these women could have anyone they wanted and they choose the president. Meanwhile, almost every man out there is going "wow, I gotta get into real estate".
I don't think this plan was well thought out.
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Throw as much shit against the wall and hope something sticks.
And after this fizzles out they'll be on to something new. I'm sure the Mueller Investigation will start leaking pieces of all those documents from the President's business dealings in hoping to stir something up there.
But in reality, the American people are really getting tired of the alt left progressives crying wolf! over and over ad nauseam.
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Really? Your accusation is that he is such a bad man that he had an affair with a porn star and a playboy bunny? Yeah, because these women could have anyone they wanted and they choose the president.
NO. They did NOT choose the President. They ALLEGEDLY chose a RICH PRIVATE CITIZEN years before he ran for office.
Monica Lewinsky chose THE PRESIDENT.
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When did democrats become the Puritanical Party?
Their hypocrisy is only exceeded by their criminality.
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When did democrats become the Puritanical Party?
Their hypocrisy is only exceeded by their criminality.
Yeah, and now they are all worried about spending, and deficits too. Why the change?
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Yeah, and now they are all worried about spending, and deficits too. Why the change?
Any means to an end.
If Trump took a hard left turn and was Pro Abortion, started nominating alt left radical judges the dims would start opposing him on these as well.
All the Alt Left Progressives care about is power, and retaining that power by whatever means necessary.
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It is a shame that they ruined their chances of being successful with this ploy years ago by standing behind Clinton, who has yet to disavow the rape allegations against him.
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It is a shame that they ruined their chances of being successful with this ploy years ago by standing behind Clinton, who has yet to disavow the rape allegations against him.
I disagree on this point: The Alt Left has been very successful in using sex smears to discredit and often ruin political opponents. In fact it's their favorite and often used tactic. And as far as their own who get caught up in a sex escapade? They just simply ignore it or downplay, or in the instance of something like Al Franken, use him as a means to their end.
The sex smear tactic has been so successful even the establishment republicans are starting to deploy it where they feel it's useful.
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Wouldn't it be rich if this were another trap laid by Donald Trump and just before CBS airs the interview they paid enormously for, the President tweeted something to destroy their gotcha moment?
I could just see The President announcing that he and the whore had a relationship that was terribly unsatisfying and that her on screen talent was nothing like her lousy performance in bed, then openly wondering why the progressive democrats are so hung up on his sex life when they claim to be so open minded.
He could then suggest that stormy daniels go sleep with bill clinton, since he loves used merchandise and other men's cast offs.
Of course he could toss a grenade into the Hilary camp while he was at it, suggesting that she would then have a perfect chance to restart her BIMBO-ERUPTION division and start attacking bill's whores all over again.
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NO. They did NOT choose the President. They ALLEGEDLY chose a RICH PRIVATE CITIZEN years before he ran for office.
Monica Lewinsky chose THE PRESIDENT.
Ok, I'm just referring to him by his current title. Of course he was not the president when all this happened.
I think this actually comes out as a positive story for the president. At least it wasn't a chubby intern.
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my president was/is a hound dog
next
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The affair with Trump is a problem for many reasons. It's a huge problem morally. If he did in fact have an affair (it's an allegation at this point unless I missed something), that sends a horrible message. He supposedly cheated on his first wife with his second wife, and cheated on his second wife with his current wife. Now there's allegations he cheated on his current wife.
There's a few parts to unpack here. The first, and most important, is the morality of this. If he did cheat on any of his wives, that's wrong and should be condemned. He's the leader of the free world and I wish people cared more about the morality of a person. If we are to be a moral and just society, we should have leaders that uphold and live those values. There is no excuse, there is no justification, there is nothing that will convince me that this was okay for any reason, if it's true.
The next part is the inevitable "whataboutism" that always results. "What about Clinton? He did it, too!" Yes, he did and it was equally wrong for him to do it. You can form a list of prominent, important people, including presidents, who have had affairs. They're all wrong.
The politics of this are what will matter to most people. Politically, the Democrats are trying to attack him with anything and everything they can to see what sticks, as others here have said. That's part of the game, but is especially true for Trump given the level of disgust the left has for him. He doesn't do himself any favors most of the time, either. Politically, this is nothing. The left doesn't have a leg to stand on because of Clinton. There is a slight irony, however, in that the left is attacking Trump because of alleged affairs but also attacked Pence for refusing to put himself into a situation where there was event a hint of impropriety.
I'm all for calling out the left when they're wrong (which is frequent), but we should also call out those on the right when they do something wrong. It is possible to call out both Trump for having an affair and the left for trying to exploit this given they hold Clinton on their shoulders as some sort of political hero.
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The affair with Trump is a problem for many reasons. It's a huge problem morally. If he did in fact have an affair (it's an allegation at this point unless I missed something), that sends a horrible message. He supposedly cheated on his first wife with his second wife, and cheated on his second wife with his current wife. Now there's allegations he cheated on his current wife.
You expected him to have changed? Dog bites man again. Yawn. We knew this.
Science says that men who have a lot of money become much, much more attractive to women. Donald Trump is more attractive than everyone here by a long shot.
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The affair with Trump is a problem for many reasons. It's a huge problem morally. If he did in fact have an affair (it's an allegation at this point unless I missed something), that sends a horrible message. He supposedly cheated on his first wife with his second wife, and cheated on his second wife with his current wife. Now there's allegations he cheated on his current wife.
There's a few parts to unpack here. The first, and most important, is the morality of this. If he did cheat on any of his wives, that's wrong and should be condemned. He's the leader of the free world and I wish people cared more about the morality of a person. If we are to be a moral and just society, we should have leaders that uphold and live those values. There is no excuse, there is no justification, there is nothing that will convince me that this was okay for any reason, if it's true.
The next part is the inevitable "whataboutism" that always results. "What about Clinton? He did it, too!" Yes, he did and it was equally wrong for him to do it. You can form a list of prominent, important people, including presidents, who have had affairs. They're all wrong.
The politics of this are what will matter to most people. Politically, the Democrats are trying to attack him with anything and everything they can to see what sticks, as others here have said. That's part of the game, but is especially true for Trump given the level of disgust the left has for him. He doesn't do himself any favors most of the time, either. Politically, this is nothing. The left doesn't have a leg to stand on because of Clinton. There is a slight irony, however, in that the left is attacking Trump because of alleged affairs but also attacked Pence for refusing to put himself into a situation where there was event a hint of impropriety.
I'm all for calling out the left when they're wrong (which is frequent), but we should also call out those on the right when they do something wrong. It is possible to call out both Trump for having an affair and the left for trying to exploit this given they hold Clinton on their shoulders as some sort of political hero.
I think you are really overstating this, and buying into CNNs narrative.
I’m a happily married man of 34 years. I didn’t vote for Trump thinking he would be running for Pope anytime soon. He is and has been a playboy. So what?
The problem is the outrage is one-sided. Clinton schtupped a young impressionable intern in a way that would get any corporate employee above mid-level manager canned.
What this is about is that the left has been unable to take Trump down professionally. So, in order to take their pound of flesh, they are just as happy to take down his marriage.
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The affair with Trump is a problem for many reasons. It's a huge problem morally. If he did in fact have an affair (it's an allegation at this point unless I missed something), that sends a horrible message. He supposedly cheated on his first wife with his second wife, and cheated on his second wife with his current wife. Now there's allegations he cheated on his current wife.
I agree, the affair is a problem. So are some of his inane tweets. So are the way he talks to and about our allies. Personally, I think he is a bombastic asshole and there were about 15 Republicans in the primary that I would have preferred to have won. But they didn't. Trump did and he is now our President. We have never impeached a President for having affairs and I don't think we should do so now. It would cause more problems than it would fix.
But if Congress wanted to vote him out of office based on his affairs, they have the right. "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" can mean anything Congress wants it to. But how may Congressmen/women do you think have had affairs? If they voted to impeach him, they could expect the opposition to pay some British spy to create a dossier on them and publish it.
I don't like Trump (the man), but I do like much of what he has done and is still trying to do. If we lose him we will slide back into an Obama type society. And I think that would be way worse than anything Trump has done.
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I think you are really overstating this, and buying into CNNs narrative.
I’m a happily married man of 34 years. I didn’t vote for Trump thinking he would be running for Pope anytime soon. He is and has been a playboy. So what?
The problem is the outrage is one-sided. Clinton schtupped a young impressionable intern in a way that would get any corporate employee above mid-level manager canned.
What this is about is that the left has been unable to take Trump down professionally. So, in order to take their pound of flesh, they are just as happy to take down his marriage.
I addressed all of these points in my post. Of course I didn't expect him to change. But to somehow suggest that it's morally acceptable is baffling to me.
Do you find it morally acceptable that he cheated on his wife?
I'm suggesting there is a bigger cultural piece to this rather than the simplistic narrative and the "whataboutism" that people are trying to put forth. I agree that this is one sided, but this is the left we're talking about, so that's nothing new either.
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Long ago my sister dated Donald Trump. Her best friend set them up and she says he was rather dull.
Where people were always headed off to Studio 54 and other slutty clubs, he took her to wonderful restaurants, held doors for her, took his time and asked questions about what she liked and disliked, as opposed to talked about himself, bragging, or playing with her panties under the table.
She said that other than being out of step with the slut brigade, he was a nice man and wished him well.
If he slept around and you fucking hypocrites of the left have a problem with it, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
Hypocrisy is the sole family value of democrats.
Oh, and for our pansy progressive, faux, centrist, I don't have a link for your pathetic use.
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Do you find it morally acceptable that he cheated on his wife?
Not only is that not morally acceptable, but as a heterosexual male, it is not even understandable to me. I would expect other men would have been cheating on their wives with Melania. What a bod that lady has. And a brain.
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I've been married to the same woman for 30 years. No affairs in our past(that I know of). Which would make me some kind of moralist. But - I'm not. As for the equivalency argument - meh, I guess there's some truth to the smoke = fire. Except, it isn't an equivalency thing. We KNOW Clinton had his sausage hidden. Worse, we KNOW he lied about it. Trump? So far we've got a couple of girls who want to make a name, and get paid for their lurid tales. Call me when we find spooge on a dress, and a DNA match. Otherwise - ships pass in the night.
Worse case, what if he did commit adultery before inauguration? I am quite sure he wouldn't be the first prez with a few flings in his past. Johnson paid a girl in New Orleans $3000 two months after Kennedy died. No one knows why. Kennedy likely had several affairs in office. Did that make him a bad prez? We're speculating that Ike had a jr officer he boinked, and go back to Teddy R was considered quite the rake in his day.
Sorry, I just can't get judgmental about this stuff. I'm sure some would call it a big deal but really - Melania knew what she was marrying. So did Ivana. If they can get over it - who am I to cast the first stone?
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What this is about is that the left has been unable to take Trump down professionally. So, in order to take their pound of flesh, they are just as happy to take down his marriage.
The playbook right now is to destroy his marriage in a vain attempt it may get him to resign. The mouth foaming alt left progressives are going absolutely ape shit that their path and march to their utopia was stopped by this man. And ever so happy to oblige establishment republicans who want to protect their DC swamp are equally working towards a common goal with the ALP.
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http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/23/larry-sinclair-obama-media-stormy-daniels/
Dude Who Claimed Sex With Obama Is Livid At Media’s Obsession With Stormy Daniels
The man, who once claimed without evidence to have had sex with former President Barack Obama, is now livid the media and public are believing adult film star Stormy Daniels’ relationship with President Donald Trump.
Larry Sinclair, a 50-something-year-old man, alleged he had sexual relations with Obama in 1999. The story included a limousine, cocaine and a host of other interesting tidbits. There are few reports of the incident because Sinclair could never provide hard evidence, and he has a very long rap sheet.
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I addressed all of these points in my post. Of course I didn't expect him to change. But to somehow suggest that it's morally acceptable is baffling to me.
Do you find it morally acceptable that he cheated on his wife?
I'm suggesting there is a bigger cultural piece to this rather than the simplistic narrative and the "whataboutism" that people are trying to put forth. I agree that this is one sided, but this is the left we're talking about, so that's nothing new either.
It’s not morally acceptable to me. Yet I and half the country voted for him because he was the best of the choices available, and was best by a country mile.
If you think I will take my moral judgement and try to push him from office, I’m not going to do it. I don’t like moral preening when the left does it, and I don’t like moral preening from the right.
What do you propose is the right thing to do? If it’s an issue to you, you either have a solution or just a lecture. Which is it?
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"Dude Who Claimed Sex With Obama Is Livid At Media’s Obsession With Stormy Daniels
The man, who once claimed without evidence to have had sex with former President Barack Obama, is now livid the media and public are believing adult film star Stormy Daniels’ relationship with President Donald Trump.
Larry Sinclair, a 50-something-year-old man, alleged he had sexual relations with Obama in 1999. The story included a limousine, cocaine and a host of other interesting tidbits. There are few reports of the incident because Sinclair could never provide hard evidence, and he has a very long rap sheet.
Ok, that there is just plain funny. ::)
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It’s not morally acceptable to me. Yet I and half the country voted for him because he was the best of the choices available, and was best by a country mile.
If you think I will take my moral judgement and try to push him from office, I’m not going to do it. I don’t like moral preening when the left does it, and I don’t like moral preening from the right.
What do you propose is the right thing to do? If it’s an issue to you, you either have a solution or just a lecture. Which is it?
I'm by no means suggesting we use moral judgements to try to push him from office. In fact, I went so far as to say that I believed this to be a cultural issue. That's a separate discussion, but it ties into Trump because of his alleged indiscretions.
I've said it before, but we should call him, and anyone out who falls short of the moral standards we desire from our leaders. Does that mean we shouldn't vote for them? I suppose that depends on what you find important. I understand the arguments for Trump over Hillary. But I don't buy into the idea of "whataboutism" as if it somehow absolves Trump from his poor decisions. And, they're currently distractions. You can say all day how they shouldn't be, or how the left is smearing him, or whatever, and that may all be true, but it doesn't mean it's not a distraction.
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I'm by no means suggesting we use moral judgements to try to push him from office. In fact, I went so far as to say that I believed this to be a cultural issue. That's a separate discussion, but it ties into Trump because of his alleged indiscretions.
I've said it before, but we should call him, and anyone out who falls short of the moral standards we desire from our leaders. Does that mean we shouldn't vote for them? I suppose that depends on what you find important. I understand the arguments for Trump over Hillary. But I don't buy into the idea of "whataboutism" as if it somehow absolves Trump from his poor decisions. And, they're currently distractions. You can say all day how they shouldn't be, or how the left is smearing him, or whatever, and that may all be true, but it doesn't mean it's not a distraction.
Well unless you’re engaging in moral preening, I’m not sure I understand your point. In the real world, March 2018, what does it mean to call out Trump? Join in the tisk tisking of the hypocrites on the left and in the media? That’s worthless, hypocritical and counterproductive.
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Well unless you’re engaging in moral preening, I’m not sure I understand your point. In the real world, March 2018, what does it mean to call out Trump? Join in the tisk tisking of the hypocrites on the left and in the media? That’s worthless, hypocritical and counterproductive.
It means we acknowledge when he's wrong and publicly state so and encourage him to live and govern to a higher standard. It means pushing him in the right direction when he appears to be on the fence or close to caving in to Democrats. It means not engaging in "whataboutism" and letting him, or anyone, essentially get a free pass and blaming it on the left.
We're supposed to be the party that's moral and decent, that lives our lives by a set of values and standards that the left doesn't have. It's hard to do that when all we can do is say things, "Well Clinton did it!" Multiple things can always be true. It can be true that Trump has, and is, doing things that are good for the country. It can also be true that he may have engaged in behavior that is not moral or right.
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It's hard to do that when all we can do is say things, "Well Clinton did it!"
I will often say "Well Clinton (or Obama, or Kennedy or . . . ) did it". But I don't say it in order to justify Trump or any other Republican doing it. I say it to point out the hypocrisy of the left.
I don't like Trump, the man. But I realize that he is a much smarter and more effective negotiator than I ever was, or will ever be. I also think he is smarter (or at least more wily) than most other politicians and so-called journalists.
The stock market just had two horrible days based largely on fears that Trump will start a trade war, and that we will lose that trade war.
But what will happen to the stock market if Canada, Mexico, China, Germany and the rest of the world actually negotiate more fair trade agreements with us and the tariffs end soon, or never go into effect?
Or what will happen if N. Korea either signs an iron clad agreement to forsake nukes (which I doubt will happen), or we successfully destroy their nuclear capability without destroying S. Korea in the process?
And what will happen to the stock market when more and more good jobs return to the US because of Trump's tax reform, or his repeal of so many Obama executive orders?
I don't know if any of those things will happen, but I think they stand a much better chance with Trump at the help than with anybody else.
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At the risk of additional moral outrage, I'm going to opine that some on the left's manufactured outrage is because Trump bedded hotties and whom among us wouldn't say wood-eye! in a heartbeat to the latest piece of gnack;
https://newsfromwomen.com/former-playboy-model-karen-mcdougal-details-affair-trump/
Where all their side could drum up was a rather rotund lippy intern, and a bleach-blond silicone heifer.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/monica-lewinsky-linda-tripp-script-lands-at-amazon-1010287
oye.....
I mean, not to be too much of a misogynist(I am), but in the back of my mind(and many others who refuse to admit), there is always a certain wink,wink, nod,nod dose of respect to the successful coxman. i.e. "Yeah - ah'm hitting THAT!"
sorry. (not really)
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Have we also forgotten that Clinton still as unanswered rape allegations against him?
I voted Trump to get someone with business experience in the WH and see what he could do.
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Have we also forgotten that Clinton still as unanswered rape allegations against him?
I voted Trump to get someone with business experience in the WH and see what he could do.
I didn't vote for Donald Trump to lead me in the paths of righteousness. I voted for him to try and fix the what Obama spent eight years screwing up royally. If I wanted to elect a religious leader, I'd have voted for Billy Graham.
Listening to the "I Want to Have Obama's Baby," crowd wringing their hands, thinking tat we will all turn on President Trump because we found he that he is heterosexual, is about as liberals lecturing on monogamy and faithfulness, truthfulness and honesty.
Liberals are frothing at the mouth because he didn't sleep with men, most likely. Their hypocrisy meter is pegging at the top of the meter.