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Title: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 23, 2019, 07:00:03 AM
I am worried about 2020 already. A black female lib is already being gushed over and announced her run. While I would vote for Condoleeza Rice in a heartbeat, this KH person is supremely unqualified to lead, like most Dem candidates of recent memory. By Black code, Blacks will vote for Blacks. And libs vote like lemmings.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Anthony on January 23, 2019, 07:11:23 AM
The Democrats desperately want a woman President above all else.  They haven't gotten over Hillary's loss.  A Black women would ever be better.  The women that have stepped forward, or are likely to step forward to seek the nomination are the worst of the worst. Lightweights, racist, identity politics with no substance whatsoever. 
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 23, 2019, 07:17:23 AM
I just do not understand this obsession with electing a woman. It makes no sense AT ALL to pick a leader of the free world based on gender. Or color. We’ve seen what that does with BHO, who was elected I believe SOLELY because he was black.

One pundit said recently that it’s a fine line between a blank slate and an empty suit.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on January 23, 2019, 07:18:25 AM
I am worried about 2020 already. A black female lib is already being gushed over and announced her run. While I would vote for Condoleeza Rice in a heartbeat, this KH person is supremely unqualified to lead, like most Dem candidates of recent memory. By Black code, Blacks will vote for Blacks. And libs vote like lemmings.

Too early.

This won't start to solidify until next January. In a year so many things can happen, and many things can change.  Right now the kooks are all trying to jump in. 

 The dim field will be crowded, which is a good thing as it splits the vote.

 I still believe the person who will ultimately become the dim nominee has not announced yet, and will be a dark horse.  But that person will have to content with several other dims.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Username on January 23, 2019, 08:20:59 AM
I just do not understand this obsession with electing a woman. It makes no sense AT ALL to pick a leader of the free world based on gender. Or color. We’ve seen what that does with BHO, who was elected I believe SOLELY because he was black.
I don't understand the insane worship of identity above all else.  The rush to be the first x to be elected.   Yay!  We have the first (half) black as president.  Now we need the first woman.  And next we'll need to elect a gay lesbian trans president.  What boxes do we need to check after that?  The sheep need to signal that they are oh so enlightened that they can vote for the first whatever regardless of that person's politics.  I submit that they hate Trump as much for his whiteness as for his policies.  I am very worried that the next president will be the polar opposite of Trump just because.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Little Joe on January 23, 2019, 09:13:08 AM
I am worried about 2020 already. A black female lib is already being gushed over and announced her run. While I would vote for Condoleeza Rice in a heartbeat, this KH person is supremely unqualified to lead, like most Dem candidates of recent memory. By Black code, Blacks will vote for Blacks. And libs vote like lemmings.
I'm thrilled that the Democratic primary is shaping up to be a bigger circus than the 2016 GOP field was.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: nddons on January 23, 2019, 09:20:32 AM
I just do not understand this obsession with electing a woman. It makes no sense AT ALL to pick a leader of the free world based on gender. Or color. We’ve seen what that does with BHO, who was elected I believe SOLELY because he was black.

One pundit said recently that it’s a fine line between a blank slate and an empty suit.
Hey, Obama was also “clean and articulate.”  Just ask Crazy Uncle Joe. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man!” 
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on January 23, 2019, 04:58:35 PM
It makes no sense AT ALL to pick a leader of the free world based on gender.
But there are so many to choose from!
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: bflynn on January 23, 2019, 07:11:31 PM
If the president runs again, then Republican hopes are pinned on Democrats putting forth someone worse than Hillary.

Think carefully about all the baggage Hillary brought in, plus her age, poor health and inability to carry the campaign through.

Do you seriously think they can do it again? 

Love Trump if you want, but don’t be blind about his chances in 2020.  I don’t think lightning will strike twice. It will be a Democrat blowout and Republicans will lose all of Congress.

** I shouldn't try to post on my phone...sigh.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Little Joe on January 23, 2019, 07:35:16 PM
If the president runs again, then Republican hopes are pinned on Democrats putting forth dodo e worse than Hillary.

Think carefully about all the baggage Hillary brought in, plus her age, poor health and inability to carry the campaign through.

Do you seriously think they can do it again? 

Love Trump if you want, but don’t be blind about his chances in 2020.  I don’t think lightning will strike twice. It will be a Democrat blowout and Republicans will lose all of Congress.
I hope you are wrong, but . . .
 I'm very afraid that you are right.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Rush on January 23, 2019, 08:48:11 PM
Y'all are giving me deep anxiety right now. :-\
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: bflynn on January 23, 2019, 09:22:52 PM
I hope you are wrong, but . . .
 I'm very afraid that you are right.

I wish I could be wrong, but you have to consider - he just barely beat Clinton, as bad as she was.  He hasn't gotten more popular and he has killed himself with his twitter account.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 24, 2019, 03:43:25 AM
2020 depends on where things stand then. Unfortunately the MSM will not talk about any of it if things are going well and he'll have to do many rallies to get the word out and depend on the debates.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 24, 2019, 06:21:39 AM
Unless some high level journalists go down and the media has to grow up and start reporting factually.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Barnes_Law/status/1087860189317935104
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Rush on January 24, 2019, 06:31:34 AM
This country is so solidly split 50/50 and the things that will swing Trump's way like walkaways and undecideds (who are those people anyone?) may not be enough to overcome the numbers going in the opposite direction in the form of impressionable youth going into college to be indoctrinated or suburban moms turning coat.

The divide is now so deep it has become more than politics, it's a cultural divide. We are virtually two different countries now. Fundamental belief systems are involved. Look at any country with two cultures, usually it's unreconcilable. It becomes very hard to switch parties because it's no longer just a superficial political layer of ideals but now it's like leaving your tribe and joining an alien one with a whole different language. Can you use the generic "he" when the gender is unknown? We used to all agree on that but now the two sides don't. The two sides get their information from different sources and the respective pictures painted are unrecognizable as the same thing.

@steingar this is why I ask him so many questions and then answer his answers with bafflement. He's not describing the same world I see and I know it's because he gets his news mostly from the opposite side from where I get mine.

Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 24, 2019, 06:54:37 AM
This country is so solidly split 50/50 and the things that will swing Trump's way like walkaways and undecideds (who are those people anyone?) may not be enough to overcome the numbers going in the opposite direction in the form of impressionable youth going into college to be indoctrinated or suburban moms turning coat.

The divide is now so deep it has become more than politics, it's a cultural divide. We are virtually two different countries now. Fundamental belief systems are involved. Look at any country with two cultures, usually it's unreconcilable. It becomes very hard to switch parties because it's no longer just a superficial political layer of ideals but now it's like leaving your tribe and joining an alien one with a whole different language. Can you use the generic "he" when the gender is unknown? We used to all agree on that but now the two sides don't. The two sides get their information from different sources and the respective pictures painted are unrecognizable as the same thing.

@steingar this is why I ask him so many questions and then answer his answers with bafflement. He's not describing the same world I see and I know it's because he gets his news mostly from the opposite side from where I get mine.
The Steingar Conundrum is why we are right to be concerned. He’ll spout the MSM pablum and call the President crude names, yet still expects respect even when acting like a toddler. He answers our questions with doublespeak and contradictions or convolutions that leave us going “Huh?” and vanishes to evade the stickiest truths. He acts confused and certain in the same post. And there are millions of him, and they vote.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: bflynn on January 24, 2019, 07:58:40 AM
This country is so solidly split 50/50 and the things that will swing Trump's way like walkaways and undecideds (who are those people anyone?) may not be enough to overcome the numbers going in the opposite direction in the form of impressionable youth going into college to be indoctrinated or suburban moms turning coat.

The divide is now so deep it has become more than politics, it's a cultural divide. We are virtually two different countries now. Fundamental belief systems are involved. Look at any country with two cultures, usually it's unreconcilable. It becomes very hard to switch parties because it's no longer just a superficial political layer of ideals but now it's like leaving your tribe and joining an alien one with a whole different language. Can you use the generic "he" when the gender is unknown? We used to all agree on that but now the two sides don't. The two sides get their information from different sources and the respective pictures painted are unrecognizable as the same thing.

@steingar this is why I ask him so many questions and then answer his answers with bafflement. He's not describing the same world I see and I know it's because he gets his news mostly from the opposite side from where I get mine.

The country split right now is more like 40/50/10.  51% of the people actively hate Donald Trump. 

All the Dems would have to do would be to put up someone better than Hillary.  Honestly I'm thinking Biden would be a better choice than Trump right now. 

It would be very, very good for the Republicans if Trump did not try for a second term.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on January 24, 2019, 08:03:22 AM
The country split right now is more like 40/50/10.  51% of the people actively hate Donald Trump. 

Curious as to the source of your numbers.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 24, 2019, 08:20:44 AM
The country split right now is more like 40/50/10.  51% of the people actively hate Donald Trump. 

All the Dems would have to do would be to put up someone better than Hillary.  Honestly I'm thinking Biden would be a better choice than Trump right now. 

It would be very, very good for the Republicans if Trump did not try for a second term.

Why do you say this? Perhaps because the bottom will be reached faster if the left is in control?

As for Biden, why would he be better than Trump “right now?”
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Anthony on January 24, 2019, 08:28:45 AM
The country split right now is more like 40/50/10.  51% of the people actively hate Donald Trump. 

All the Dems would have to do would be to put up someone better than Hillary.  Honestly I'm thinking Biden would be a better choice than Trump right now. 

It would be very, very good for the Republicans if Trump did not try for a second term.

I don't believe polls as many are media driven, or leftist driven (same thing), and they HATE Trump so their numbers reflect that.  I would rather have Trump than anything good for establishment Republicans at this point.  I'd like to see the GOP implode. 

Biden is just a Democrat Party HACK.  If you like all the DNC talking points, just elect Biden.  Why the Efff would you want Biden?  What is Trump doing other than things that are helping our country.  Just look at the economy, jobs, and energy prices.  That alone should tell you something.  You're being duped by the Media, and pop culture. 

Biden = Carbon tax, and higher tax rates across the board
Biden = More restrictions on fossil fuel production, HIGHER energy prices
Biden = More Identity Politics, and divisiveness
Biden = More environmental regs that are useless but generate more revenue
Biden = More gun control laws that criminals don't follow
Biden = Free college, and Free healthcare.  We know its not free

Do you really want all that?

Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Number7 on January 24, 2019, 08:49:40 AM
Many if not all 'moderate' republicans are tethered to the swamp, whether they have the courage to admit, or not.

Anyone suggesting Biden would make a good president is speaking with the best interests of the swamp in mind, while pretending to be a centrist, or whatever lie they tell themselves these days.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Little Joe on January 24, 2019, 09:23:34 AM
I don't believe polls as many are media driven, or leftist driven (same thing), and they HATE Trump so their numbers reflect that.  I would rather have Trump than anything good for establishment Republicans at this point.  I'd like to see the GOP implode. 

Biden is just a Democrat Party HACK.  If you like all the DNC talking points, just elect Biden.  Why the Efff would you want Biden?  What is Trump doing other than things that are helping our country.  Just look at the economy, jobs, and energy prices.  That alone should tell you something.  You're being duped by the Media, and pop culture. 

Biden = Carbon tax, and higher tax rates across the board
Biden = More restrictions on fossil fuel production, HIGHER energy prices
Biden = More Identity Politics, and divisiveness
Biden = More environmental regs that are useless but generate more revenue
Biden = More gun control laws that criminals don't follow
Biden = Free college, and Free healthcare.  We know its not free

Do you really want all that?
I don't believe Flynn said he wanted Biden.  He said that with the current split of the country, he thinks Biden would stand a better chance of beating Trump than Hillary did.  And I agree with him.

But with all the baggage that Biden has, at least I give him credit for being able to negotiate a compromise.  That is something that none of the other libs seem to be able to do.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Rush on January 24, 2019, 09:37:43 AM
Honestly I would love it if Trump suspended elections and declared himself dictator. I was terrified someone like Obama would do that and we'd end up a left wing dictatorship. But if Trump were to do it AND continue his current track of reducing regulations, low taxes, border protection, etc. I'd be fine throwing out the Constitution and declaring him King. But of course the problem is he'd eventually die and then where would we be? So I'm sort of kidding. Sort of. I'm left with the feeling that we simply cannot allow the left to continue slowly killing the Constitution anyway from a thousand cuts. But what the hell are our options?
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on January 24, 2019, 09:39:28 AM
I don't believe Flynn said he wanted Biden.  He said that with the current split of the country, he thinks Biden would stand a better chance of beating Trump than Hillary did.  And I agree with him.

But with all the baggage that Biden has, at least I give him credit for being able to negotiate a compromise.  That is something that none of the other libs seem to be able to do.

 Biden hasn't been caught up in the alt left radical progressives that have taken over the democrat party.  Frankly I don't think he even understands it.

 Biden has lots of baggage, plus he's an old white man (a creepy old white man at that).    The democrat party and their new owners have railed against old white men.

 The 2020 democrat nominee has not been revealed yet.  The clown car full of democrat wannabees is currently unloading, but none of them are contenders.   I still contend the democrat nominee will be a dark horse.

 And many, many things can happen over the next year.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Anthony on January 24, 2019, 09:41:06 AM
I don't believe Flynn said he wanted Biden.  He said that with the current split of the country, he thinks Biden would stand a better chance of beating Trump than Hillary did.  And I agree with him.

But with all the baggage that Biden has, at least I give him credit for being able to negotiate a compromise.  That is something that none of the other libs seem to be able to do.

He said, and I quote, "Honestly, I think Biden would be a BETTER CHOICE THAN TRUMP RIGHT NOW".

So to me that seems he wants Biden to be President over Trump right now due to the division in the country.  The country was just as divided under Obama, but the Media didn't harp on it as much nore blame Obama for it like they are doing with Trump. 

Bflynn is just believing the Media's lies, and reacting. The Media, and the Democrats (Soros, Bloomberg, and other string pullers) are purposely promoting this division to de-stalbize the U.S. as a country during the Trump Presidency.  They want people to feel unsettled, at risk, scared, and angry.  If Hillary were President they'd be saying how great everything was.   

The Media, Education, Government, and Corporate America HATE Trump.  That's why we are divided. 

Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on January 24, 2019, 09:42:17 AM
Honestly I would love it if Trump suspended elections and declared himself dictator. I was terrified someone like Obama would do that and we'd end up a left wing dictatorship. But if Trump were to do it AND continue his current track of reducing regulations, low taxes, border protection, etc. I'd be fine throwing out the Constitution and declaring him King. But of course the problem is he'd eventually die and then where would we be? So I'm sort of kidding. Sort of. I'm left with the feeling that we simply cannot allow the left to continue slowly killing the Constitution anyway from a thousand cuts. But what the hell are our options?

 It's not just the left.  Establishment republicans play a part in all of this.

 Term limits are the answer.  End the career politicians and we would see some rational normalcy return to government. 
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 24, 2019, 09:58:36 AM
If Hillary had been elected, any division in the country allowed to pass through the leftist media filter would have been soundly blamed upon conservatives, for having a different opinion. Same as now.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 24, 2019, 09:59:19 AM
It's not just the left.  Establishment republicans play a part in all of this.

 Term limits are the answer.  End the career politicians and we would see some rational normalcy return to government.
Yes. A bill on term limits has been put forth by Cruz. We’ll see where it goes.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 24, 2019, 10:04:40 AM
Honestly I would love it if Trump suspended elections and declared himself dictator. I was terrified someone like Obama would do that and we'd end up a left wing dictatorship. But if Trump were to do it AND continue his current track of reducing regulations, low taxes, border protection, etc. I'd be fine throwing out the Constitution and declaring him King. But of course the problem is he'd eventually die and then where would we be? So I'm sort of kidding. Sort of. I'm left with the feeling that we simply cannot allow the left to continue slowly killing the Constitution anyway from a thousand cuts. But what the hell are our options?
Keep Calm and Carry.  ;)

I only see one way, Rush, besides voting. And it is to force engagement with liberals. I don’t think we can expect God to save us if we don’t meet Him on the way with our own efforts.

Eyes and minds and hearts have to be opened to the home truths. Gen Z is with us, as they see their futures being co-opted.

Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on January 24, 2019, 11:26:56 AM
Yes. A bill on term limits has been put forth by Cruz. We’ll see where it goes.

It will go nowhere.  Why would the establishment vote to end their power?
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: nddons on January 24, 2019, 12:44:08 PM
I wish I could be wrong, but you have to consider - he just barely beat Clinton, as bad as she was.  He hasn't gotten more popular and he has killed himself with his twitter account.
He has?  Really.  I guess he needs to sit down, shut the fuck up, and comply.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Anthony on January 24, 2019, 01:08:45 PM
Electoral Votes

Trump  304

Clinton  232

That is barely winning?  Next someone will mention Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million votes.  Yet all due to L.A. (California) and NYC.  Do we really want these two clueless Metro areas dictating to the rest of the country? 

The FACT is that the Trump Policies are working.  The Media is winning the disinformation campaign against him.  Yes he helps them with a few tweets, but do we want to take away a characteristic that probably helps him be the strong President he can be?
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: bflynn on January 24, 2019, 06:53:05 PM
He has? 

Yes, really.  His base...and I presume that includes you...is really fired up by it, but everyone else's reaction varies from embarrassed to disappointed to outright enraged.   He really is in trouble.

Electoral Votes

Trump  304

Clinton  232

That is barely winning? 

Yes, it is.  He won three rust belt states by a combined total of less than 500,000 votes.  That is the margin, an average of 167,000 votes each in three Democrat leading states with a poor Democrat turnout.  Take those away and Hillary wins.  That is barely winning.

Today the Left is far more energized now than they were when they thought Hillary was going to win.  You think he can win those three states again, not that Democrats are reminded that they can lose them?  Trump is a one term president unless the Democrats can put someone worse than Hillary up and I just don't think they have it in them.

Republicans are being blind about it.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Anthony on January 24, 2019, 07:02:04 PM
Yes, really.  His base...and I presume that includes you...is really fired up by it, but everyone else's reaction varies from embarrassed to disappointed to outright enraged.   He really is in trouble.

I never liked Trump prior to his Presidential run, and I met the guy once.  Then a lot of what he SAID made sense.  Then after he was elected, he actually DID, or is at least TRYING to do what he said.  The ONLY reason he is in trouble is due to the Media. 
 
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Yes, it is.  He won three rust belt states by a combined total of less than 500,000 votes.  That is the margin, an average of 167,000 votes each in three Democrat leading states with a poor Democrat turnout.  Take those away and Hillary wins.  That is barely winning.

All good points, but he won states that no Republican has won since Reagan, mine included, PA. 

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Today the Left is far more energized now than they were when they thought Hillary was going to win.  You think he can win those three states again, not that Democrats are reminded that they can lose them?  Trump is a one term president unless the Democrats can put someone worse than Hillary up and I just don't think they have it in them.

Republicans are being blind about it.


Yes, I do think Trump can win those states again, especially if the economy continues to do well.  Those rust belt states will vote pocketbook.  The Democrats have nobody that has any decent quality.  In fact they are worse than Hillary, which is hard to do.  Biden maybe, but he is too freaking old.  No, Republicans aren't blind about it, but maybe we just don't listen to the Media as much as you. 
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Rush on January 25, 2019, 05:56:48 AM
I'm scared some charismatic unknown that nobody ever heard of will pop up at the last minute like Obama did and seduce the sheeple with fake promises like Obama did. The guy that wrote freakonomics concluded that the candidate with the most appeal wins, period. Not how the economy is doing, not how much money they spend, but personal appeal. I'm sure the Democrats are desperately auditioning very good looking, tall, appealing president wannabes like crazy right now.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on January 25, 2019, 06:25:45 AM
I'm scared some charismatic unknown that nobody ever heard of will pop up at the last minute like Obama did and seduce the sheeple with fake promises like Obama did. The guy that wrote freakonomics concluded that the candidate with the most appeal wins, period. Not how the economy is doing, not how much money they spend, but personal appeal. I'm sure the Democrats are desperately auditioning very good looking, tall, appealing president wannabes like crazy right now.

That goes with my thoughts of a dark horse.   Obama was an empty suite that could read a TelePrompter especially well.   He was groomed by his handlers, had his records carefully hid from public eye, and most importantly had the media fawning all over him.  He was given the marching orders of a "fundamental transformation" and once elected, the progressives had their ultimate goal in sight.

 But BHO got caught up in the celebrity world and lost sight of what his handlers put him there for.  So in desperation they ran Felonious Pantsuits to go in and finish the job.  I mean, after all, she had the name and we all know it was her turn, right?  Can't lose!

 You better bet your ass they are quietly grooming their next candidate.  The lessons learned from 2008 thru 2016 have taught them well.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Rush on January 25, 2019, 06:41:40 AM
That goes with my thoughts of a dark horse.   Obama was an empty suite that could read a TelePrompter especially well.   He was groomed by his handlers, had his records carefully hid from public eye, and most importantly had the media fawning all over him.  He was given the marching orders of a "fundamental transformation" and once elected, the progressives had their ultimate goal in sight.

 But BHO got caught up in the celebrity world and lost sight of what his handlers put him there for.  So in desperation they ran Felonious Pantsuits Togo in and finish the job.  I mean, after all, she had the name and we all know it was her turn, right?  Can't lose!

 You better bet your ass they are quietly grooming their next candidate.  The lessons learned from 2008 thru 2016 have taught them well.

Yep the Democrat party has completely transformed itself into a party with a single goal: gain and keep power at all costs. That's what drives their choice of candidate, whereas the Republicans are still using the old system of letting candidates rise through the ranks who have messages that the people want to hear and that focus on what is good for the country or at least the people in their own party.

The Dems have turned elections into power games while the Repubs are still operating as if elections are how the people choose leaders. The Democrat party has become completely rotten and putrefied with self serving corruption.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Anthony on January 25, 2019, 06:41:50 AM
The Republicans need a candidate with the charisma, speaking ability, and class of Reagan, and the balls, and negotiating ability of Trump.  Combine the two, and they will win again.  If not, the Dem celebrity du jour will win. 
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on January 25, 2019, 06:50:04 AM
The Republicans need a candidate with the charisma, speaking ability, and class of Reagan, and the balls, and negotiating ability of Trump.  Combine the two, and they will win again.  If not, the Dem celebrity du jour will win.

The republicans are dismal failures at running anyone for office.  Trump was an outlier, and he was definitely not their choice in 2016.

Let's look at the recent history of candidates from the Republican Party.  McCain, Romney and in 2016 the republicans wanted Jeb to run.  The republicans want establishment RINO's.

 Once Trump leaves office the republicans will go back to running RINO's.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Rush on January 25, 2019, 07:17:03 AM
The republicans are dismal failures at running anyone for office.  Trump was an outlier, and he was definitely not their choice in 2016.

Let's look at the recent history of candidates from the Republican Party.  McCain, Romney and in 2016 the republicans wanted Jeb to run.  The republicans want establishment RINO's.

 Once Trump leaves office the republicans will go back to running RINO's.

Yes and it will be a big mistake. They haven't run a good charismatic and authentic candidate since Reagan but they haven't learned their lesson
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Anthony on January 25, 2019, 07:29:52 AM
I think the GOP Establishment wants to pick the most neutered, milquetoast candidate in their misguided hope they win.  Dole (war hero, so not milquetoast, but as a Pres candidate sucked), McCain, Romney, Jeb Bush, etc. 

Maybe the people that run the GOP WANT them to lose the Presidency, because they are the same ones running the Democrats who will install Fundamental Transformation/Globalism sooner than the Establishment Republicans. 
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on January 25, 2019, 07:45:27 AM
I think the GOP Establishment wants to pick the most neutered, milquetoast candidate in their misguided hope they win.  Dole (war hero, so not milquetoast, but as a Pres candidate sucked), McCain, Romney, Jeb Bush, etc. 

Maybe the people that run the GOP WANT them to lose the Presidency, because they are the same ones running the Democrats who will install Fundamental Transformation/Globalism sooner than the Establishment Republicans.

Let's look at the reality.  The establishment class in DC cares not who is in the WH (Trump is the exception).   There is very little difference between establishment republicans and democrats.  Take a look at our former speaker Paul Ryan.  Claimed to be conservative, but was the democrats best friend.  He was there working for the establishment.

 Here's where the establishment class are fucking up, royally.  They are not taking the alt left progressives seriously.  Yet, slowly and steady the progressives are making in roads.  The establishment believes once they rid this country of Trump and put one of their own back in the WH (D or R) then it will be back to business as usual raping the citizens.

 
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on January 25, 2019, 08:47:56 AM
https://www.libertynation.com/dem-nomination-for-prez-requires-groveling-to-radicals/
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 25, 2019, 09:01:16 AM
https://www.libertynation.com/dem-nomination-for-prez-requires-groveling-to-radicals/
That is so rich. Do Dems look at Trump's heart? See him as a person? Overlook past wrongs so that the “right things” can happen for the American people? Hypocrites.

But Rush should take some solace in the last paragraph.  :)

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Two things need to be pointed out: Projecting weakness is not the best character trait to display for any candidate who later hopes to take on Donald Trump in a general election. And telling the American people that believing in U.S. immigration laws and traditional marriage are grave examples of wrongthink that must be cleansed from their hearts and minds is no way to attract voters who don’t already reside in the suffocating progressive shoebox that by all appearances is going to dominate the primary chase.

Title: Re: 2020
Post by: nddons on January 25, 2019, 09:04:04 AM
Yes, really.  His base...and I presume that includes you...is really fired up by it, but everyone else's reaction varies from embarrassed to disappointed to outright enraged.   He really is in trouble.

Yes, it is.  He won three rust belt states by a combined total of less than 500,000 votes.  That is the margin, an average of 167,000 votes each in three Democrat leading states with a poor Democrat turnout.  Take those away and Hillary wins.  That is barely winning.

Today the Left is far more energized now than they were when they thought Hillary was going to win.  You think he can win those three states again, not that Democrats are reminded that they can lose them?  Trump is a one term president unless the Democrats can put someone worse than Hillary up and I just don't think they have it in them.

Republicans are being blind about it.
I presume you also buy into the 24/7 narrative that a MAGA hat is the equivalent of a white hood, and is representative of racialism and oppression, and whatever the triggered opinion makers are saying.

George Bush NEVER fought back. Those they hated him gave him no quarter for it. None. They eviscerated him at every turn.

This is about power, not personality, and those not in power will find fault with literally every breath Trump takes.

Nothing - not a single thing - that
Trump can do or stop doing will prevent triggered snowflakes from feeling “embarrassed to disappointed to outright enraged.”

Look at the shit that the Catholic School boys are taking because some wore MAGA hats and you will see the entire problem. It’s not Trump’s tweets, it’s Trump’s existence that they despise and wish would end.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 25, 2019, 09:10:47 AM
I guess if Anthony can quote himself, so can I!

Donald Trump represents to liberals their shadow side. They are projecting the worst parts of themselves, which they suppress with virtue signaling, onto him.

Conservatives do the same with people like Barack Obama. The difference is that conservatives tend to admit they are not perfect, no one is, and that there can be no utopia.  This tends to keep the shadow in balance.

That’s why we can laugh at fools like Jim Acosta and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. We can admit that they are fools and point out why. Putting illegals ahead of Americans, for example.

But liberals can’t. Acosta and the dynamic duo have to be intelligent and rightly motivated. But they’re not ... so that construct has to be balanced by scourging someone not themselves ... Donald Trump.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Anthony on January 25, 2019, 09:18:13 AM
LOL!  Missed that one Becky.  Very astute post, and I agree.  I only quote myself out of utter narcissistic, and egotistical tendencies.  Nothing sinister going on there. 
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on January 28, 2019, 06:21:46 AM
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Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 28, 2019, 05:23:42 PM
The adoring crowds, the claim to stomp down those evil phobes of all sorts. This is going to keep me awake tonight. What with voter fraud and millions of illegals, we are toast.

http://www.michellesmirror.com/2019/01/kamalot-as-black-as-obama-as-likeable.html#.XE-cM4qIahA
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 28, 2019, 08:02:30 PM
Looks like CNN's pick is Kamala Harris.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 01, 2019, 07:19:54 AM
Spartacus is in!

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/01/cory-booker-2020-announcement-1140797

Unity, love and bipartisanship my ass.

 
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on February 01, 2019, 07:25:22 AM
Spartacus is in!

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/01/cory-booker-2020-announcement-1140797

Unity, love and bipartisanship my ass.

He is just an asshat. 
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Number7 on February 01, 2019, 07:29:50 AM
"I AM SPARTACUS....


"uhhh....

"HE is Spartacus.... Yeah, that's it..."

How long before the word, 'Spartacus' is considered racist???
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Anthony on February 01, 2019, 07:32:42 AM
I just don't see a candidate as good as Hillary emerging from the Democrats anytime soon.  Maybe dust off the Breck Girl, John Edwards?  lol!!!
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on February 01, 2019, 07:52:22 AM
I just don't see a candidate as good as Hillary emerging from the Democrats anytime soon.  Maybe dust off the Breck Girl, John Edwards?  lol!!!

 I still contend the actual candidate will be a dark horse.  Stay tuned.

 BTW, I have been entertained watching the dims come unglued over Howard Schultz.   Here we have a mainstream(?) democrat and the progressives are freaking out because he's not far left, and they are scared shitless he may appeal to the center left of their party.

Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Anthony on February 01, 2019, 08:04:52 AM
I still contend the actual candidate will be a dark horse.  Stay tuned.

 BTW, I have been entertained watching the dims come unglued over Howard Schultz.   Here we have a mainstream(?) democrat and the progressives are freaking out because he's not far left, and they are scared shitless he may appeal to the center left of their party.

I think you're right.  An "Obama" will emerge out of nowhere, perhaps a female Obama.  Well spoken, good looking, far left, but that can pretend she's a also a "moderate".  She will be owned by the Soros types like all the rest. 

Look for Komrade Kuomo to start making noise.  No, he's not the next Obama.  He's the next failed Pres candidate. 
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on February 01, 2019, 08:14:18 AM
I think you're right.  An "Obama" will emerge out of nowhere, perhaps a female Obama.  Well spoken, good looking, far left, but that can pretend she's a also a "moderate".  She will be owned by the Soros types like all the rest. 

Look for Komrade Kuomo to start making noise.  No, he's not the next Obama.  He's the next failed Pres candidate.

BHO was groomed for his role by his handlers.  In the context of things, this proved to be remarkably effective (they get the presidency).

However, he failed as he got caught up in the celebrity of being president.  This caused him to squander many opportunities to "fundamentally transform the US" as he promised.   He was also an amateur and began to think he got there based upon his skill, which caused him to go against his handlers on occasion.

 They learned a lot from BHO.   They won't repeat those mistakes again.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Anthony on February 01, 2019, 08:22:18 AM
They were looking to Hillary to complete Fundamental Transformation.  That is why there is still such anger, and subterfuge from the left to uninstall Trump.  Statism, Globalism, and the New World Order never sleep.  The goal is the removal of U.S. Sovereignty in practice.  Yes, it will still be in place, but in NAME ONLY. 

Obama got TOO arrogant, as Progressives always do.  He finally admitted his goal of Fundamental Transformation and showed his disdain for the U.S.  Why would you want to fundamentally change something you loved?  Then he told us "You didn't build that!".  More evidence.  He obviously lied about "Shovel Ready Jobs" and laughingly admitted that also.  Then the lies about Obamacare.  Yet, the media never brings those up. 
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on February 01, 2019, 11:27:16 AM
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Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on February 03, 2019, 05:01:52 PM
Well, Michael Moore has spoken.

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  'She is the leader. Everybody knows it. Everybody feels it. She is the leader of this mass movement,' Moore says of Ocasio-Cortez. 




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6663337/Michael-Moore-says-Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez-allowed-run-president.html
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Number7 on February 03, 2019, 07:03:56 PM
Well.... That changes everything.

mikey moore is in the same league as cher and madonna as far as knowing who the real leaders are...

The only person with a better handle on the world would be steingar and he hasn't said yet.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: nddons on February 04, 2019, 08:12:21 AM
Spartacus is in!

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/01/cory-booker-2020-announcement-1140797

Unity, love and bipartisanship my ass.
His ability to pull that off will show with whether or not he abandons identity politics and the politics of personal destruction. That means with how he treats Donald Trump as well as the next nominee for SCOTUS.

I don’t see any of that happening.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Anthony on February 04, 2019, 08:17:27 AM
If Cortez is their new leader, then I am all for it.  She is a total whack job, light weight.  Total comedy show, like Moore himself.  It only shows how delusional Progressives (Democrats) are if they put anything behind her, and promote her as a Party leader. 
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on February 13, 2019, 05:46:15 AM
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Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on March 14, 2019, 02:33:14 PM
O’Rourke entered the race today. Gag.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: nddons on March 14, 2019, 02:36:52 PM
O’Rourke entered the race today. Gag.
What could go wrong?  Don’t failed candidates for public office ALWAYS make the best democrat presidential candidates?  One rape allegation and he’ll have his ticket punched. Those things are resume enhancers for democrats.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on March 14, 2019, 02:38:33 PM
O’Rourke entered the race today. Gag.

 Oh, that rich irish guy from El Paso who pretends to be Hispanic......

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Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Lucifer on March 14, 2019, 02:39:34 PM
What could go wrong?  Don’t failed candidates for public office ALWAYS make the best democrat presidential candidates?  One rape allegation and he’ll have his ticket punched. Those things are resume enhancers for democrats.

 That or kill someone.  Worked wonders for Ted Kennedy's career.
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 14, 2019, 07:55:13 PM
The other Dems will just run commercials of him saying he will never run.  Wonder who's pulling his strings?
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on March 15, 2019, 08:29:48 AM
I unabashedly adore our President. It occurs to me that he is indeed our President ... he is for us, with us, constantly thinking of us, and trying to help us, not those who would threaten us and our Constitution. If a Dem is elected, they will not be those things. They think of themselves, their power, their greed, their ripping up of what works and their establishment of what doesn’t.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1106264336131977216
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 14, 2019, 08:09:54 AM
If you need a chuckle this morning. And who doesn’t, with this lineup facing us for the next 18 months!  ;D

https://moonbattery.com/democrat-debates-in-advance/
Title: Re: 2020
Post by: Rush on May 14, 2019, 10:18:20 AM
Somebody this morning was interviewing someone who is trying to get on the Democratic ticket by appealing to normal rational Democrats, not the far left. I think it was Rush it may have been Glen Beck. Can’t remember the time and didn’t catch the guys name.

But I loved him. He said, the Democrats need a sane candidate. When did this country start hating capitalism? he says.  Anyone know who that was?  Did any of you catch it?