The establishment Republicans want to keep growing government just like the Democrats. 

That's pretty funny.

...and then there's the news after the election of Hilary Clinton...

Bill Clinton accused of raping two year old twins. Attorney General Rosie Oddonnell immediately announces that pedophilia is a 'choice,' not a crime.

George Soros named Ambassador to Israel. Demands Israel be evacuated by all Jews to make room for more Muslims too lazy to work, Communists and Welfare recipients.

WWIII begins when Poland passes law making abortion illegal.

Clinton Administration announces that parents are required to choose their pre-school aged children's gender based on formulas given to them by the federal government. No alternative choices are allowed.

and on the same day...

Clinton administration announces that NO parent may attempt to choose their child's school. All school choices are to made by the federal government for your own good.

Federal regulators announce all income shall be first paid into the treasury and redistributed across America based upon formulas taking into account voter registration, political donation history, and facebook posting tendencies.

Tens of Thousands of American families forcibly evicted from their homes to repair sexual orientation of neighborhoods along the lines of a formula developed by Hollywood producers, and funded by Apple. Gay majority neighborhoods are specifically exempted.

Obamacare is radically changed to deny all access to healthcare to any citizen who can be shown to be pro-life.

By 2020 the last 310 Tea Party members have been rounded up and executed in Oregon, Washington, California, and New York. President Clinton promises to eradicate all Tea Party subversives before the end of her fourth term.

Good article. Priebus is a rock star in Wisconsin, but he let this entire process get away from him, and that falls on his shoulders.

Shouldn't there be some consequence for Trump depriving the GOP voters from seeing a one-on-one debate between Trump and Cruz, for example?  Trump said he wanted a two man race with Cruz. Now he's got one (albeit with ankle-biter Kasich hanging around) and Trump won't debate. Coward.

Priebus has always been a tool and is an abject failure as head of the RNC. 

The entire Establishment rewards themselves for the actions taken by the voting electorate which is why they are so disconnected as to not understand what is even going on right now.  We have been voting out of necessity to try and protect the Republic not 'for' their candidates for decades and we figured out it is red meat during the primaries, center right during the general, and then shit in our faces once elected.

Trump has no reason to debate Cruz as far as he is concerned.  I wouldn't call it being cowardly, I call it defining the terms of engagement - Trump is running the campaign he wants to run, and he is clearly in the lead.

In a dogfight you fight your fight, you never let the other guy set the terms. 

Cruz is a distant second, Trump is in control - the debates (from the soundbites I have seen) have been useless for determining anything of value and have been unreasonably Trump-centric, why would anyone put themselves up abuse?

Trump needs to be concerned about shenanigans within the system to deny him the nomination even though he will very likely have a clear majority of the delegates.  Cruz forces in LA for example are working to overturn the will of the people in that state - that is what a good candidate focuses on, the actual tactical and strategic situation leading to the Convention.

'Gimp

I'd be interested in hearing an overall rationale. You don't need to expand on each. I read your initiatives as fairly typical ideas for welfare reform from a right perspective. They're focused on a few broad ideas: Get off your ass if you can, if you aren't eligible for welfare you don't get it damnit, don't even think about using the money for stuff I consider a luxury, and don't expect your support to last long. In short, they're focused on pulling back support and limiting duration.

Fine ideas. Plenty of arguments in favor of all of them.  But I wonder why you believe those changes will alter the course of the poor? Is it because you belief welfare causes poverty?

See my highlight - ding ding ding we have a winner.

You get more of what you incentivize, and less of what you disincentivize, it is pure human nature. 

I think you or Dav8or asked 'which is easier' when referring to working and getting an education or sucking off the work of your fellow citizens via crime or welfare in another post as if all 3 are morally, practically or financially equivalent - they are not, on all 3 fronts.  And since when is life supposed to be 'easy'?

I work not because I like to, not because it is expected of me, but because I have to.  I have a family to support, and a growing Yak to feed.  I do it because I cannot survive without it - would I prefer to just lounge at the hangar and fly all day - sure would and as soon as I figure out how I am all over it, but nobody owes me jackshit - I made MY plane happen, I made MY career happen, I made MY family, I am responsible for me and mine.

I have been employed since I was 13 (started in a family restaurant), with a grand total of 6 months of unemployment, in 33 years.  I don't take vacations like regular folks since there is always too much to do and never enough time because in addition to my job I have to help others do theirs as well because if I don't things don't get done.  I have sacrificed time with friends and family that I will never make up, so that my wife and daughter would have a roof over their head and three squares a day - at times working 1,000 miles way from them just to remain employed.

I have a child in college, I pay full freight, qualifying for no assistance of any kind, nice that she picked a less expensive community college for her first couple years but soon it gets more expensive, who pays I do.  Now, you and others think I should pay more, not for my child, but for somebody else's - not for my housing but for somebody else's.  If after all that I don't have enough for the movies or a new car, tough shit - work harder. 

I have had a business fail, been victimized by fraud and theft, lost a home and even been laid off a couple times but I always have found and continue to find a way because I am a man and that is what men fucking do.

When asked how much more I should pay there is no specific answer, only more - as if confiscating roughly half of my total income is not already enough.

Well fuck you (not you specifically, said for effect).

Yes, I believe with a less comfy safety net people would find a way to earn the lifestyle they desire, but with a comfy safety net there is no reason to. 

Dirtiest of the dirty little secrets about welfare and the New Deal - unemployment NEVER recovered to pre-Great Depression/pre-New Deal levels.  NEVER.  Unemployment in 1929 was 3.2%, Under Roosevelt it never dipped below 14% and averaged closer to 20% - only WWII caused the eventual recovery.

Want to end poverty?  End welfare, period.  But I recognize that cannot happen overnight and that is why I made the list of suggestions I made.  If it were up to me it would be sink or swim for anyone who is not demonstrably physically or mentally UNABLE to work.  We're all in this boat together, but 47% don't have their oars in the water.

'Gimp

That's called a conversation, not moving the goalposts. Though you're certainly free not to respond.

I believe I understood your reasoning, now I'm trying to discuss how and whether it would work.

I agree.

Now, how do we break the cycle of poverty?

We've been through this multiple times.  It is not rocket science.

Means and drug testing required for all assistance, period.  Fail a test, out on your ass. 

Assistance limited to subsistence level only, essentially 3 hots and a cot, basic medical care to include non invasive birth control (e.g., condoms, diaphragms, the pill OK but no abortion). 

Food assistance ineligible for junk food, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. - food only.  Unused aid is not transferable but can carry over to next period.

Able to work, evidence you looked for work every week.  You will be required to work around the shelter if nothing else.

Public/Private partnership for daycare for poor working mothers/families with a sliding scale to pay whatever a mother/family can pay.  Working in this daycare would count as workfare for those who are able.  Thinking programs like Catholic Charities, Rainbows United, etc.

There are already enough education and job training resources, use them more effectively (largely private charities).

Repeal Obamacare and return to previous approach.  Provide Medicare/Medicaid for those ineligible for open market insurance.

Aggressive paternity testing and outright brutal enforcement against deadbeat dad's.

Set English as the official AND ONLY language for education, commerce and government in the US.

Remove restrictions on government funds being used with faith-based organizations (less than $2B a year currently) for organization that focus specifically and in a non-proselytizing way on anti-poverty and early childhood.

NO BENEFITS OF ANY KIND FOR ILLEGALS AND THEIR CHILDREN - GET CAUGHT GO HOME.  SHOW UP AT EMERGENCY ROOM, GET LIFE SAVING TREATMENT ONLY - GO HOME.

The aforementioned reduction in bennies for mothers/families on aid when a new child is added.

And the safety net has a limited duration, say something like unemployment.

Pick any 2 or 3 of those and actively enforce them for a generation or two and see where we are.

'Gimp

Rubio, who was the GOP darling until he bailed, was elected to the Senate as a Tea Party endorsed candidate.

And then promptly sold out to the establishment. 

Oh brilliant!! So, she'll just drop the kid off at the free daycare center and go and take her ignorant ass that barely can make a proper sentence, with no skills whatsoever over to all the local employers that will no doubt be thrilled to have her join their working team.

How many ignorant, single moms with poor work habits have you hired? I personally avoid them. Even McDonalds has standards.

Then you know what?  Life is going to suck. At least until such time as they learn this thing called a "work ethic" is something that is needed to exist in this world.

But until people stop coddling and making excuses for such people, nothing will change, and the cycle continues.