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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: acrogimp on October 14, 2016, 05:33:48 PM

Title: Response to Paul Ryan Fundraiser
Post by: acrogimp on October 14, 2016, 05:33:48 PM
Even though I am no longer a registered Republican and no longer provide financial or material support to the GOP, I got a desperate request for money today via e-mail from Speaker Ryan.  I won't bore you with the letter itself, but I will share my brief retort.

"How dare you beg for my money after the repeated failures to actually stand up and fight for real Conservative values and after all bit abandoning our candidate for President. 

We the people are more than your damned ATM and we are tired of being promised one thing only to continue to be ignored or insulted once you have what you wanted.

If you lose the House or Senate next month it will not be because of Trump winning or losing, it will not be because of anything he says or does not say - it will be because of what YOU have done, and failed to do, and not for days, or weeks or months, but for years now - end of line.

Oh, and don't beg me for money when you have no intention of actually governing in accordance with the Conservative values you say you share with me, fool me once shame on me....

How dare you.
"

'Gimp
Title: Re: Response to Paul Ryan Fundraiser
Post by: JeffDG on October 14, 2016, 06:14:40 PM
"How dare you beg for my money after the repeated failures to actually stand up and fight for real Conservative values and after all bit abandoning our candidate for President. 
That's kind of inconsistent of you.


What do you want?  Stand up for "real Conservative values" or support Trump?  You can't do both at once.  Do you want him to support conservative values, or a NY liberal Democrat for President?
Title: Re: Response to Paul Ryan Fundraiser
Post by: bflynn on October 14, 2016, 10:03:59 PM
.If you lose the House or Senate next month it will not be because of Trump winning or losing, it will not be because of anything he says or does not say - it will be because of what YOU have done, and failed to do, and not for days, or weeks or months, but for years now - end of line.

Actually, if they lose the Senate, it probably WILL be because of what Donald Trump said. It was only because of so many other similar candidates splitting the vote that Trump is even here, he is probably the worst of the bunch.  Downticket issues are real.

There is no scenario where Republicans lose the House.
Title: Re: Response to Paul Ryan Fundraiser
Post by: Lucifer on October 15, 2016, 05:10:06 AM
Actually, if they lose the Senate, it probably WILL be because of what Donald Trump said.

That's delusional bullshit being peddled by the MSM.
Title: Re: Response to Paul Ryan Fundraiser
Post by: Number7 on October 15, 2016, 08:36:45 AM
That's kind of inconsistent of you.


What do you want?  Stand up for "real Conservative values" or support Trump?  You can't do both at once.  Do you want him to support conservative values, or a NY liberal Democrat for President?

I disagree because the two aren't joined at the hip.
Paul Ryan has been a monumental failure at leading based on conservative principles.
What Donald Trump thinks or does has no bearing on what Paul Ryan did and does.
Title: Re: Response to Paul Ryan Fundraiser
Post by: acrogimp on October 15, 2016, 11:00:44 AM
I disagree because the two aren't joined at the hip.
Paul Ryan has been a monumental failure at leading based on conservative principles.
What Donald Trump thinks or does has no bearing on what Paul Ryan did and does.
Don't try and use facts or logic with Jihad Jeff, he is so broken record on that I still have him on ignore as a total no-value-added waste of time and wouldn't have even seen what he said had you not quoted it - but I already knew what it would be anyway.

Conservatism is not on the Presidential ballot this year (or any year really but that is another story) - what is on the ballot this year is a continuation and expansion of the disastrous policies of the last 8 years, or something else. 

I only say 'something else' because the details are actually not that important - on any of the issues I could be a single issue voter on, Trump's official platform positions (and the history of his public life, on balance) far more closely align with my own than do Clinton's.  SCOTUS, Gun Control, Abortion, the Political-Media-Complex, Immigration, Trade, Radical Muslim Terrorism, the UN, the Republican Elite/Establishment, DC vs the rest of the country, the rigged system - I could go on but he is far closer to my own positions than Hillary could ever believably pretend to be.

Is he an ideal candidate, no - never said that.

Is he a rock-ribbed conservative, no - never said that.

Is he a paragon of moral virtue and propriety, no - never said that.

Borrowing from a good friend of mine, we are minimizing the election by calling this one a choice between 'the lesser of two evils' - simply put:
 

'Gimp
Title: Re: Response to Paul Ryan Fundraiser
Post by: PaulS on October 15, 2016, 01:36:18 PM
Even though I am no longer a registered Republican and no longer provide financial or material support to the GOP, I got a desperate request for money today via e-mail from Speaker Ryan.  I won't bore you with the letter itself, but I will share my brief retort.

"How dare you beg for my money after the repeated failures to actually stand up and fight for real Conservative values and after all bit abandoning our candidate for President. 

We the people are more than your damned ATM and we are tired of being promised one thing only to continue to be ignored or insulted once you have what you wanted.

If you lose the House or Senate next month it will not be because of Trump winning or losing, it will not be because of anything he says or does not say - it will be because of what YOU have done, and failed to do, and not for days, or weeks or months, but for years now - end of line.

Oh, and don't beg me for money when you have no intention of actually governing in accordance with the Conservative values you say you share with me, fool me once shame on me....

How dare you.
"

'Gimp

Great job.